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#because ghosts are canon in this show#follies of the living concerns of the dead#and you know why i didn't include henry in this either#mash#mash 4077#mash polls#polls#bj hunnicutt#hawkeye pierce#father francis mulcahy#charles emerson winchester iii#margaret houlihan#trapper john mcintyre#frank burns#radar o'reilly#sidney freedman#colonel potter#Bonus: how do they react when they see the ghost? who is the ghost of?
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less generic homophobic macho man trapper more trapper with catholic guilt
#i think there's a lot of POTENTIAL for an interesting story about him dealing with internalized homophobia#but the popular fanon interpretation just doesn't hold water imo#he's not as effeminate as hawkeye but fanfic writers have a tendency to flanderize him or just make up traits entirely#usually to either conflate or contrast him with bj#meanwhile what little information we get about his upbringing paints a way more interesting picture#i don't remember which episode but iirc at one point he said his parents wanted him to be a priest#his name is literally john /francis xavier/ mcintyre#and south boston was FAMOUSLY heavily irish catholic at that time#but he also explicitly tells mulcahy he's not catholic in another episode#and when asked to name a religion he immediately says atheist#also idk there's something about 'i peeked at the end frank. the devil did it'#i wanna know the backstory there!! what effect has being raised catholic had on him and what made him move away from it#what's his relationship with his parents like#what's his relationship with MULCAHY like#they have so few on screen interactions but their similarities and differences make me insane#sorry i have incurable in love with trapper john disease. i will post about him again#mash#my posts
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Still on my MASH nonsense, I watched 8x22 "Dreams" last night and I'm completely full of meta thoughts about it. I don't think I'm going to cut this for spoilers for a 40-year-old episode (unless it gets long) because I figure everyone reading this has probably either seen it or doesn't care.
So I think what fascinated me most is that Hawkeye and Charles were the only people out of the main cast whose great fear was specifically not being able to save people because they weren't good enough. This fascinates me doubly because Hawkeye also dreamed Charles into his dream, trapped in the same hell he's in, and then this is reflected in the finale (I'm watching out of order, I watched the finale recently even though I still haven't seen most of seasons 9-11), when Charles and Hawkeye are the two people with the most visible emotional trauma from the war and specifically about people they failed to save in it.
There were other people whose dreams were clearly about the tragedy of soldiers dying around them (Margaret and Mulcahy in particular) but not in a way that really feels quite so much like they're blaming themselves for it, whereas Hawkeye and Charles's dreams very clearly were about that.
Okay, this did get long, so I'll cut it a bit.
In general, going through the dreams in no particular order:
Potter's been around so much and seen so much that he's not even that affected by what's happening; he just has a fairly nice dream about his childhood. (Though he also got interrupted in the middle, so it's possible things would have gone bad later.)
Margaret has the other most complicated dream next to Hawkeye's; like Hawkeye's, hers is full of symbolic elements and changes. I read Margaret's dream mainly as craving home and family, which the war is constantly taking away from her, leaving her alone with a marriage bed full of dead soldiers and a wedding dress drenched in blood.
BJ misses his wife and blames the war for taking him away from her.
Klinger is simply afraid that the only way he's going home is as a corpse.
Mulcahy is probably the other one who has a dream that's the most similar to Hawkeye and Charles's in terms of sheer guilt; his is about faltering faith, in which even the trappings of the highest office in his faith can't stop him from being splashed with the blood of the dead.
Charles dreams of all his skills and talents as nothing more than empty stage magic that can do nothing to stop a patient from dying in front of him, while everyone stands around judging him and slowly recognizing him for a fraud.
And Hawkeye dreams himself and Charles into the world's most horrifying medical school, in which he (and Charles, more indirectly) are tortured for not paying attention and failing to answer questions correctly.
I think what really gets to me about the first part of Hawkeye's dream is how terrified and hurt they both look.
Their entire body language is that of kids being punished, who are trying to avoid drawing attention and being punished more.
Charles dreamed of failing to save patients as a direct personal failure, with adoration turning to condemnation as people realize he's a fraud. Whereas Hawkeye sees both himself and Charles as victims of an impersonal system that punishes them cruelly for failing - but it's still Hawkeye's failure that leads to punishment.
I actually thought this was going in a slightly different direction with Hawkeye being forced to choose whether to give up his own limbs or sacrifice Charles's; instead it's Charles being ordered to torture him, clearly not wanting to but doing it anyway - I think that there's just a lot to unpack here about how Hawkeye sees himself and everyone around him as being victimized by an unfair system that brutalizes them constantly.
And then he ends up surrounded by the pieces of the people he couldn't save, unable to help anyone because he has no hands to help them with, and the helicopters just keep coming - oh, Hawkeye.
MASH: a comedy.
Tying this to the finale, though, it made me think that after Hawkeye (and Mulcahy, who is similar to Hawkeye in bleeding for everyone who's hurt in the war) Charles probably has the next-highest tendency to get attached to people that he meets as one-offs in various episodes, which is fascinating because you wouldn't think he would be like that, but that's what got to him in the finale, was bonding with people he'd only just met. And he does that off and on throughout the series, too, like in the episode with the injured musician, or the stutterer, or the baby episode.
BJ and Margaret simply compartmentalize better. BJ's entire life is centered back home, where nothing that happens to him out here is really going to affect him as much. And Margaret has a fairly highly developed ability to be empathic in the moment but turn it off later - I'm not saying she's unfeeling, she clearly isn't, but as someone in a profession where she deals with helping injured people with their physical needs and soothing their pain all day every day, she has to.
Charles isn't high-empathy in the same way Hawkeye is, but once he sees his patients as people, he can't really unsee it, and he can't turn it off and on as easily (which I think is the thing both BJ and Margaret can do; they can feel for the people they're helping and then let it go and move on - they're both emotionally healthy enough to recognize that it's not their fault if things turn out badly and let it go). Charles is harder to get emotionally engaged but once he does, he gets really into fixing things for that person, I think.
And Hawkeye can't turn it off at all, poor guy 😭; he bleeds for everyone like that, all the time.
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tell me your favorite M*A*S*H* headcanons please
aaaaaa that's so vague (" ´д`)ゞ but i do have a lot of random headcanons that are admittedly just projection from myself and my family, like...
hawkeye was a really lanky kid who knew a lot about fish anatomy and biology but couldn't actually reel anything in to save his life, and he's lost multiple big catches as a result; his dad poked fun at him for it but still invited him to every fishing trip. hawkeye also got kinda desensitized to gore pretty early on while helping his dad clean fish they caught.
part of the reason mulcahy and kathy are so close is because they were hellish to each other as kids. just full on trying-to-kill-each-other brawling. mulcahy has a small dark mark on his chest where kathy stabbed him with a pencil and the lead broke off in his skin; he thinks it's funny and will tell people about it because he can take anything in stride at this point, then gets surprised when people are appalled by it.
klinger would absolutely crush it at sewing little plushie animals and dolls, and he considers it a thrifty use of scrap materials. sometimes he looks for patterns in catalogues, other times he improvises them. he gives pretty much all the dolls away.
potter knows a bunch of lasso tricks; he can still make a big lasso loop and jump through it, and whenever there's a little kid in camp they like to try and see if he can lasso them while they're scampering around (he totally can).
Comphet Lesbian Houlihan. being surrounded by an overwhelmingly male-dominated and sexist institution from day one, and therefore constantly surrounded by obsessive and disparaging remarks about women and the attractiveness thereof, she just figures everyone is as attracted to women like that, and takes her own lesbian attraction for granted without examining it further: of course she thinks women are attractive, everyone does!
bj's nicknames for erin once he's back home are "baby erin" and "er-bear" and everything she owns (clothes, toys, room decor, etc) is either baby pink or grass green.
#i'm so glad aaron picked that name so i can still call him baby aaron. if anything it's funnier now that he's a grown man on T#shebbz shoutz#ask#mash
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re; this ad that i got
fr mulcahy starring as 'priest that is here to help his parish's school put on a field day because the teachers are overworked'
he ate shit on the blacktop and they only had 1 bandaid for him, poor bastard
last edition [bj]
cut placed [u should check it; bj is now part of the field day and also dwarfs mulcahy w/ his new shoes]
my only fucking update picture because i got in The Zone ig
my announcement to my friends that i was finished with it
and now
everyone gets sweatbands to show theyre on the same team now. i plan to do more but i cannot promise they will be coming quickly lol
i DO know that, if i add trapper, he will be wearing one of those muscle shirts with the armpits cut out. i was half asleep last night thinking abt this stuff and went 'he fucking Would'
im absolutely lost as to what hawkeye would wear. probably ill-fitting gym shorts and t shirt with flip-flops if we're all honest
lost as to henry as well. igaf if these people never met its field day motherfuckers i dont care about death its FIELD DAY we have a PARACHUTE TO SIT UNDER. probably the dad fit of a loose t with swim trunks ['they're shorts to me! i like the pattern!' and its just fish on em] and sandals with socks.
im spitballing. i dont wanna get ahead of myself because when i do that, i end up never doing it. but i DO have a cute 1950s romper that would work for either marg or klinger [it has sunflowers]
no one talk abt the fact i left to eat dinner and came back, only then realizing that mulcahy's feet were like ever so slightly too large. and no one talk abt me editing this just to change the image a tiny bit its fine
#its time to summon#mash#mash 4077#m*a*s*h#mashblogging#mash fanart#mash art#mashblr#mashposting#father mulcahy#.my art#and incase i do continue this#.field day#the file name is 'thats just my uncle' cause its true#only reference picture i used of fr mulcahy was just for the crocks [cross socks]#bros Damp#also yeah i picked red as their team colour solely cause of Peace on Us#everyone say thank you to Ellis from l4d2 for teaching me how to draw baseball caps#i know technically thats a trucker cap but you get my point
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Hawkeye dgaf about BJ's marriage except inasmuch as it makes BJ happy. He has no personal investment in it. In Hanky Panky he thought the idea of BJ fucking Donovan was funny and worth nothing more than lighthearted teasing until BJ turned out to be genuinely upset about it. He's happily friends with many cheaters and willing to fuck married people himself (except when he wants to marry them himself, ie Radar's Report).
When BJ demonstrates that 85% of his character is 'married' Hawkeye backs that marriage up 100% for his sake, but imo if BJ wanted to get a divorce, Hawkeye would back that decision up too, easily. If BJ wanted to fuck him, the only reason Hawkeye might not be down is because BJ could react badly and it could ruin their friendship and he's got a practical side to him, not because he genuinely cares about the sanctity of BJ's marriage.
And I think this is in keeping with other Hawkeye characterization where he tends to prioritize what other people value when it's relevant to making them feel better and supporting them. He's an agnostic but he validates Mulcahy's religious beliefs when he needs validation, he'll tell Radar either that it's awesome to not fuck or that he should go out and get laid depending on what Radar's upset about in any given episode, he cares about his patients a lot and wouldn't even defend himself when one attacked him but he's extremely cool about Mulcahy straight up punching a patient, etc.
Which, yk, is basic supportive character characterization, but he's got it more than other Mash characters imo, and I like it, and it makes a lot more sense to me than Hawkeye being a marriage cheerleader because he thinks marriage is awesome (he generally seems negative to on the slightly positive side of neutral at best on the concept) or because he's scared of BJ choosing him instead and sublimates that into marriage cheerleading. After all, this is the guy who seizes every romance dangled in front of him with both hands even if it is obviously doomed, and isn't repressed about anything to the point where the writers need to rely on actual traumatic amnesia to prevent him from discussing his problems immediately.
#mash#marley on mash#hawkeye mash#ship hb#i reread my hanky panky post while going thru my tags and lol i'm sorry but i love hawkeye's constant stream of encouraging jokes about#bj hooking up with donovan in the beginning and i love hawkeye's vibe in general#and i love imagining him supporting bj when he gets a divorce lol (and i will finish that wip eventually)
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Very very silly post but
What kind of OnlyFans would MASH characters have
Hawkeye has one but only as a consumer because, in the immortal words of Frank, he is a simp ❤️
Trapper has a faceless big dick account, mostly of him in lewd poses or jacking off, but also films some of his hookups.
Frank also has a big dick account but shows his face and does more "physique" type poses because he's a bit delulu. He gets really belligerent when he realizes most of his subscribers are gay men and will go off on tirades at his commenter that his content is for women ONLY!!!!, but likes the money too much to actually block them so winds up accidentally cultivating an audience of gay men with humiliation kinks.
Margaret is a very foxy bombshell who mostly does lingerie/lewd poses with some kinky/leather fits as well, but she's on the other side of 30 and the Internet is ruthless and she will never lean into the MILF lane and her photos are heavily edited/filtered.
BJ and Peg have a kinky couple "hot wife" account, Peg wears a mask and BJ is the POV camera man. They imply they're swingers but never actually involve someone else.
Klinger is a mainstream drag artist on like YouTube, but has an OnlyFans for his looks that are too risque for his main channel.
Radar is either a furry artist who maybe doesn't have an OnlyFans per se but does have like a secret subscribers only discord where he streams himself drawing porn of rabbit girls, or he's like that NFL streamer Sketch who has a secret femboy OnlyFans.
Henry is also a simp, but has probably appeared in either Trapper or Radar's content lol.
As funny as it would be I don't think either Mulcahy or Potter would be involved in this at all lol.
I also don't think Charles would be involved in anything online, but he is probably a long standing member of a very discreet sex club.
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This rewatch made me realize how the relationship between Hawkeye and his dad is a breath of fresh air. At first I couldn't quite put my finger on why is that, but now I know:
Generally when we have a story with a soldier, his loved one at home is a woman - either a mother or a wife. It's somewhat the same with men in 4077th: five characters have wives (Blake, Trapper, Burns, BJ and Potter; Blake and Trapper even fathered some daughters), Klinger has a girlfriend (that he later marries), Radar has a mother and even father Mulcahy has a "sister the sister".
Also we are used to seeing mostly father-son conflicts in fiction. Fathers who don't understand their sons, don't approve of their chosen paths or are emotionally staunted. This is trope suits to all genres - from fantasy, and war stories to sitcoms, dramas and crime fiction.
But Hawkeye is different. We hear something in earlier seasons about him having a sister and a mother, but the person he writes letters to is his dad. It's not just women - wives, mothers, sisters or daughters - who are missing their boys. It's also not just young sons who are missing their fathers, but also elderly fathers who miss their adult sons.
Moreover - there is some tenderness in those letters, sent from a loving son to a loving father. Even if their relationship back home wasn't the best, the situation where one of them had to go to war put it all into perspective.
And now we have a situation when Hawkeye's old man thinks that his son is dead. On the one hand Pierce Senior calls to BJ to learn how Hawkeye died and is probably devastated. On the other hand Hawkeye wants to contact him and put his father's mind at ease but everything seems to conspire against him. I remember that I felt sorry for Pierce's dad back then.
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We only actually know how about half the MASH characters feel about gay people canonically because Charles, Potter, and BJ never meet any (openly) gay people and Klinger, Mulcahy, Radar don't either because they weren't involved in that storyline.
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What animals would you assign each mash character as?
Oh God. Fantastic question. This is poorly organized because I'm just writing things down as I think about them.
So we know one of my answers. My main man my bestie my sweet cheese Trapper is 100% a fox no doubt about it. I've written 190k words about this what else am I going to say here. Mischievous and clever, independent but loves to play, somewhere between dog and cat coded (the cat coding is more Trapper John M.D. but I'm insane so it's all the effectively same universe to me most of the time). He's even got the laugh....
Hawkeye and BJ both feel obvious to me too as a cat and a dog respectively. The thing with BJ is that people usually say "golden retriever boyfriend" but honestly he's got enough bite that the foxtrap gang generally goes with golden shepherd (golden retriever/German shepherd cross) which is insanely specific and betrays the exact level we think about this at constantly.
Also a thing that's been discussed with the foxtrap gang is Charles as a Pallas cat. IDK how that fits on personality but if you Google one you'll see what I mean looks-wise.
Frank's a ferret. Obviously.
I've seen art of Margaret as a lion and I think that fits really really well. Maybe a tiger if you want to lean more into her independent streak rather than her desire for a pack. Big cat either way imo; it leans into the more complementary dynamic she and Hawk have in the later seasons. Looking for a custom fit in an off the rack world...
I usually see Mulcahy as a rabbit and I agree with that one. He's not a character I spend a lot of time thinking about so I don't have any revelations there.
My brain is insisting on river otter for Henry. No idea where that came from but I think it works, honestly. Goofy little guy who likes to fish.
I'm thinking magpie for Klinger? Likes to collect shiny things, fun pattern, way smarter than you'd think. Maybe a crow—iirc magpies have a bit of a mean streak and that's not him at all. I've also seen art of him as a peacock and my brain is also giving me "one of those tropical birds that has an insane mating dance where they build a little display out of flowers and sticks." I guess he's bird coded to me even if I can't decide on anything specific.
Obvious answer for Potter is to play into something equine and honestly I'd say donkey or mule over horse. I am not a horse girl (gn) but the stereotype is that horses are flighty and donkeys are stubborn, so voila.
Radar.... mouse. Yeah. That feels right.
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hawkeye pierce. for the character asks
how I feel about him: he's my best friend my everything my silly rabbit my sweet cheese my good time boy my rotten soldier. etc. i deeply relate to him and admit i am guilty of projecting a lot of myself but that's mash writers and alan aldas fault for creating this character who is literally me but a few degrees off. i get frustrated by his characterisation in both canon and fanon often but im trying to #chill cos i know he's a fan favourite so everyone has their own views and interpretations of him. when it comes down to it i just like him very much and wish he was real so we could queen out together 🙏
all the people i ship romantically with him: bj & trapper, margaret (sometimes), klinger (though i don't think they're romantic and more like the crossover btwn sexual and platonic), mulcahy ❤️, and kellye sometimes though she deserves better LOL and that's again more like the klinger situation...
non romantic otp: hawkeye and radar closely followed by hawkeye and margaret... hawkeye and radar are the ultimate dynamic i think. Especially with trapper in the mix as well. and margaret and hawkeye make me crazy cos they're so different and yet so similar and the way their relationship evolves over the show is beautiful. 😵💫😵💫 also theyre both hot lol
unpopular opinion: tbh im not In Touch with the mash fandom so much soooo idk what an unpopular opinion is. but one thing i see often in post-canon fics is depicting him as this desolate unsalvagable wreck of a man, especially when it comes to hunnihawk there's this idea that bj is the only one who can save hawkeye from himself and its a little overdone i think. i love deep insights into his mental issues, i love bipolar hawkeye, i love manic hawkeye and depressed hawkeye, ive loved fics that delve into him having suicidal ideation that really resonate with me, but there's a level of "damsel in distress"-ifying him that i don't like, you know? especially when it erases other characters that are important to him like his Literal Father, or margaret....
what i wish had happened in canon: first thoughts that come to mind are incredibly inappropriate and would never happen on television in the 70s/80s. i think i would have like to see a Fallen Idol/Inga type episode that either didnt mischaracterise him (that is not how he would have reacted to Inga i dont think) or treat him as being the wrong when he's clearly in the right (everyone so mean to him in Fallen idol ☹️) and while both those episodes work really well as meta commentary on the show and on hawkeye's perception in pop culture, I would have much preferred some kind of deconstruction on his character that a) addressed his real actual personality and character quirks and backstory (more like dr pierce and mr hyde meets the "dear dad" episodes) and b) isn't ignored or not addressed for the rest of the show lol 😭 a girl can dream can't he.
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#mash#mash 4077#hawkeye pierce#bj hunnicutt#max klinger#charles emerson winchester iii#radar o'reilly#trapper john mcintyre#margaret houlihan#Father Francis Mulcahy#Frank burns#colonel potter#Personally: I think it's either B.J or Mulcahy
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frank goes to maine jokes are funny and all but hear me out: hawkeye goes to indiana.
picture this. it's only been like six or eight months since the war ended and hawk's doing rock-bottom awful. he can't form new attachments and the war haunts his every moment, so he's grown rlly dependent on keeping in contact with everyone, bc they're the only ones who get it. he's already been down to boston to see trapper and to bother charles, he's even impulsively made his way to iowa and missouri to see radar and potter (and showed up on their doorsteps out of nowhere). he tried to visit henry's widow and kids on his way back through illinois, but he couldn't bring himself to. he calls margaret & bj routinely, and he maintains correspondence with mulcahy & klinger over in korea (im ignoring aftermash. or maybe it's just too soon, neither is back in the US yet). he's even managed to remember the names of a few stand-out patients he had and done his best to reach out to them.
at some point, he fixates on the fact that he's managed to keep up with everyone important but frank. nobody knows what happened to him. margaret hasn't heard from him, and she won't contact him. he could be dead for all they know. something about it rubs him wrong, about the gap, the missing piece - the lack of control. it's been really bothering him that he patched up a thousand soldiers in korea and he'll never see any of them again, and in his head it makes sense if he can at least hold on to fifteen or twenty of the people he met over there, that might be enough. and he knows frank's name and where he's from and that he has a practice, which means he can find him. another person he can hold onto, because the idea of letting go and moving on is terrifying, and feels completely unattainable
so what does hawkeye do. he makes his way to fort wayne. he finds a phone book. he asks around.
what does he find? the only thing i know for sure is that frank and louise definitely divorced, and he lost most of his assets. is he living in a depressing Divorced Guy apartment? is his clinic gone? did he actually get promoted to lieutenant colonel or was he lying? did he get put on meds? did they transfer him from a korean army hospital to a civilian hospital in indiana (as a patient)? is he still there, or did they release him? how well is he functioning? did he bounce back or is he still a wreck? is he healthier or worse? did he mature, grow, and gain insight at all? is he a little more self aware? if he's doing better, does he know what to do with himself or is he at a crossroads in his life?
either way, hawkeye realizes frank's the only one doing just as bad as he is / who's just as unsure where to go next as he is. and he's certainly the only one who's as alone as he feels.
maybe it's platonic. maybe he decides if he helps frank get his shit together, it'll help him figure out how to deal with things and move on too. and frank's the only one he can latch onto like that. everyone else, he can't just inject himself into their life while he sorts through his own shit. he can't burden any of them when they're busy with their families and careers. but frank - he has nothing. and he's doing worse than hawkeye, so hawk figures it's nicer that way, that it's not just about him, that they can help each other. and maybe, maybe frank finally gets a little redemption. finally gets the chance to grow a little.
maybe it's romantic. maybe one of the things frank's coming to terms with post-divorce is his attraction to men. maybe hawkeye's the first person he really talks about it candidly with, and for the first time, hawk's exhausted enough and feels bad enough that he doesn't answer with jokes when frank opens up. he takes him seriously. they reach that level, where frank's doing too bad to be a miserable snotty wretch and hawkeye's too fucked up to be a smart-mouth and to mock him, and that mutual exhaustion accidentally allows for trust and a sense of camaraderie.
either way... what if they helped each other to heal again? frank's always been fucked up, but much too deluded to admit it or try to grow. but i think his experiences in korea broke him, and i think there's an opportunity, there, for him to be remade into a better and healthier person. and hawkeye was ok before, but the war broke him, and he just needs to find a way to get back to himself. maybe they could help each other do that.
and if you're thinking, well, frank's a bigot, he doesn't deserve redemption or happiness - frank just absorbs whatever makes him feel safe and secure. his attitudes are things he was conditioned to believe, and he's stuck by them because they give him guidelines and a sense of order in a senseless, confusing, and frightening world. and you know what else? he believes those things because he thinks he's supposed to. frank latches onto authorities or individuals that he can base his life around, and in that way he's very moldable. this is why frank & margaret's relationship was far from a traditional conservative heterosexual one, like they both claim to believe in the sanctity of. the amusing hypocrisy out of them crops up partially because frank seems to be capable of disregarding an authority (like, say, the bible, particularly the seventh commandment) and his belief in "what should be" in favor of a person he's emotionally invested in. and, ofc, if it serves his own needs.
this is to say, within the context of the circumstances im describing, i think hawkeye could rlly help frank 180. it'd take a minute, but i believe if he began to value making sure hawkeye approved of him, a lot of his problematic beliefs would no longer get callously spouted, and he might even get better about thinking them in the first place. and hawkeye would love trying to educate someone who's not stupidly arguing nonsense points in favor of fascism, who's instead listening intently because why should he continue to follow the beliefs passed onto him by a family that spent his early years hurting and hating him? isn't it better to listen to the man speaking to him patiently and kindly, if a little irritatedly (bc everything hes saying should be common knowledge) - the first person who's ever really made an effort to care for him?
maybe one could argue that wouldn't be genuine, but im not sure how capable frank is of genuineness. i think he can grow in a lot of other ways, but his propensity to manipulate will take a while to unlearn, bc it's a survival tactic and he's never had a healthy relationship where he didnt feel a need to do that to ensure his security. of course, who knows if this post-war, shared-trauma-bonded relationship would be any semblance of healthy? but i think it sure would be fascinating
it's in the way frank's not even fully a person. he's a bunch of books on how to be a successful all-american man in a trenchcoat, just emulation and regurgitation, and yet he's genuinely incapable of actually embodying it. he's always failed at that. he just doesnt have it in him. and i think hawkeye, who's always rejected all the things frank's aspired to be, who failed on purpose and created himself in his own image.. would be capable of and would love the challenge of helping frank become his own person. and you know what else? hawkeye's not capable of the ol picket fence marriage. idk if hes capable of day in day out domesticity. with a man or a woman. i think surrendering into smth thats soft and loving would drive him a little crazy. but i think whatever the hell bizarre disaster relationship he developed with frank .. i think it might be enough for him
#mine#txt#hawnk#frank burns#hawkeye pierce#AM I PUTTING MY FRANK BULLSHIT IN THE MAIN TAGS? YES I AM#frank#hawkeye#meta#lil bit
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writing patterns (tag game)
rules: list the first line of your last 10 (posted) fics and see if there's a pattern!
I was tagged by @msculper!! Ty friend!!
Gonna go from most recent to last recent:
On a rare quiet evening when the golden-orange rays of sunset streak across the Korean soil, a doctor's legs hang over the edge of his cot in a filthy tent. (Notes of an Old Mistake)
It's a warm, beautiful, sunny Tuesday when Hawkeye is whistling while on his way to check on Corporal Gilbert in post-op and instead gets abducted into the supply tent. (Midnight Trepidations)
"Hunnicutt, I need to have a word with you." (Snits and Pearls)
Admittedly, the day that Rosie installed the glory hole was one of the funniest moments of Hawkeye's life. (Just A Drink Away From Honesty)
They are 36 hours into Hawkeye's 72 hours of R&R when BJ decides to replace Charles's small packet of the finest sugar with nothing but salt. (Desperate Times Call for Desperate Measures)
"Okay, so here's what I think," Hawkeye drawls as he leans across the sticky bar counter. (To Be Kissed Upon the Eyes)
Though BJ would never admit it, the sight of Colonel Potter sauntering toward the Swamp is unexpectedly welcome. (I'd Give Up Forever to Touch You)
"Y'know, I really don't believe this is that device's intended purpose." (She's Giving Me Excitations)
The moment Hawkeye has Mulcahy backed up against the wall inside the chaplain's tent, he can feel how fast the man's breathing against him. (Inch By Inch)
It's both shocking and utterly unsurprising, Margie thinks, that something like this has come together at all. ("By Any Other Name," my assigned chapter of The Famous 4077 Dog Tag Party)
I love chucking in readers like a football with either a line of dialogue or extremely brief scene setting before we get into the main event. A lot of these are or were intended to be shorter fics, so it felt necessary at the time of writing them to just dive right the heck in so we didn't use up words describing a whole setting that we would not even be occupying for very long haha.
I enjoyed this!! ty so much for the tag!
Tagging: @cuddleswinchester @serpercival @bbjkrss-blog @machihunnicutt @trappper-johnathan and anyone else who would like to participate!!
#ahh truly i am a predictable first line writer#but at least i am consistent i suppose#my writing commentary#ask meme
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i very deeply respect your mashposting and even though im not as enthusiastic about hawkahy as you are i think the content you make for them us delightful and some of the best mashposting on this godforsaken website. that being said, i wanted to know ur takes on the hawkeye & trapper dynamic, and the hawkeye & bj dynamic. Not in a shippy way, just in the World of Hawkahy what role do trapper and bj play in their relationships with hawkeye :3 this because i love that one comic u did where hawkeye is spunchbop and bj is Patrick its one of my fave pieces of mash fanart lol
(๑˘❥ ˘๑) first off, THANK YOU!! i'm soooo crazy about hawkahy and i really enjoy contributing to my fellow shippers, but i'm glad my art can also still appeal to people who are less interested the ship itself.
second, VERY fun question!! i wish i had definitive answers for yall, but you know me... i love to go "well idk it could go either way" ^_^;; really, it depends on what kind of tone and theme i'm looking for. i don't really write heavier stuff (because i have so much fun writing funny fic) so that kind of narrows my options, but there's a lot of potential i'd love to explore— or see someone else explore, if they're so inclined!
TRAP:
generally the trapper reading i typically default to is that he and hawkeye have a pretty casual FWB thing going on. trapper considers hawkeye a very close friend and hooks up with him at an intersection of bicuriosity and deep platonic affection, but hawkeye catches baddddd feelings and ends up genuinely heartbroken to find out their thing was lopsided. in this case, hawkahy would happen only after trapper leaves— mulcahy has a tough time trying to get noticed before that point :( but at the same time, i don't think mulcahy would pounce at the first opportunity, because i don't think an immediate rebound would be good for hawkeye nor mulcahy... but it could happen for dramaaaaa...
another version of the hawkeye-trapper rapport that i love playing with in my fics is trapper being generally very supportive but nonetheless slightly grossed out. i think there's a lotttt of comedy potential with hawkeye thinking it's okay to fuck a priest but NOT a married woman, and meanwhile trapper is pro-infidelity but anti-priestfucking (for whatever reason), and they squabble and tease each other about it the whole time.
it's also funny to think about is trapper trying to figure out whether mulcahy now gets the "one of the bros" back-slapping beer-chugging dude treatment, or if instead he's now slotted into the "go easy on 'em trap" category that protects hawkeye's ladyfriends from hearing trapper's bawdiest jokes and comments when hawkeye brings them along as a plus-one to the swamp.
trapper seems like he's pretty likely to sniff out that hawkeye and mulcahy are seeing each other even if they try their damnedest to keep it secret. i like to think hawkeye trusts trapper enough that he would go ahead and divulge it it up front pretty soon after it's official. trapper could probably even pick up hawkeye's crush beforehand... maybe even before hawkeye knows about it!
i don't see trapper as being too jealous of hawkeye spending a lot of time with mulcahy, even if it means hawkeye is now exclusive and not sleeping with trapper anymore. if anything i think he'd be pretty stoked that he's got one less guy to compete with for the nurses' attention. pretty sweet deal as far as he's concerned.
i do think there'd be some tricky navigating between how hawkeye acts with trapper and the STARK difference with how he acts around mulcahy, which you can see clear as day in the s1 finale, where hawkeye gets soooo soft and careful while talking to mulcahy. i don't think either one is disingenuous; i think hawkeye contains multitudes. hawkeye's not the type to fake sincerity. and to that end, i really don't think hawkahy should hinge on hawkeye totally giving up all the cruder parts of his personality (especially since mulcahy is really no saint either), so it could be pretty interesting to see that manifest in whether/how he's still maintaining a close friendship with trapper now that he's been seeing mulcahy regularly and trying to make a good impression.
BEEJ:
the direction bj goes in depends on whether hawkahy are already an item before he gets there. he does form that almost instantaneous trauma-bond with hawkeye on his first day, but i think if hawkeye admitted "yeah by the way the chaplain is my boyfriend" as soon it seemed safe, bj would be able to take it in stride as another weird little quirk of the mash he has to get used to. he's too hung up on dealing with all the gore to worry about who's banging who.
by contrast, i think he could potentially get pretty upset/jealous if hawkeye and mulcahy paired up a little while later. i can see him feeling really betrayed, like, "what do you normally do when i'm gone?" "wait for you to get back!!"
if bj still doesn't feel like he's really enmeshed himself into the unit— which i think on some level, he never wants to, because he's banking on dropping everything like a hot potato the second he can— then i can totally picture him just feeling completely lost and isolated when hawkeye is suddenly forgoing their boys-nite boozathons in favor of getting some priest pipe. like, at least trapper could always go find his own cuddle buddy to pass the time and had nurses lining up to volunteer; bj has basically nobody and doesn't seem inclined nor equipped to fix that. hawkeye is his liason to the rest of the camp, and bj isn't so great with people without having hawkeye there to help as both teleprompter and safety net.
basically i think bj wants to keep hawkeye within a very specific arm's-length radius— not too close, but not too far either, and hawkeye having so much private time with someone else could really get under his skin.
you could also have bj think the priestfucking is gross/bad on sheer principle like trapper did, even without the jealousy angle, and it'd probably hold a little more water coming from bj than trapper. however, it'd be funny if he's insisting it's definitely not a jealousy thing and he's being fully objective about it, but you can totally tell he's just jealous. x)
i admit i kinda love seeing bj get tormented, because he's got such obvious buttons to press and yet sternly insists that they don't even exist, similar to houlihan and frank. like, you can't just set that up and not expect me to rub my hands together and SLAM those buttons as hard as i can. ergo, bj getting jealous about hawkahy is supremely funny to me. i'm not too proud to admit that!
#shebbz shoutz#ask#mash#hawkahy#obligatory caveat of These Are Just My Takes and i'm not looking for a debate so if you disagree just ignore me :P
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I also agree on potter and mulcahy having some or similar power as charles and id love to sink my teeth into that, like we do see mulcahy flex his privilege as a priest but it usually only comes when HE wants something not for someone else (the orphans notwithstanding and the black market but he does imply he keeps some of the profits for himself) idk of im making sense im on mobile its hard to type point is i see and hear it
also would kill to see a fic where hawkeye somehow is in the way of one of mulcahys Moments of anger or promotions and would mulcahy back down or just....steam roll over hawkeye much to consider
lol i would love to read that. it is so weird to see hawkeye be on board with mulcahy's military promotions. i suppose you could argue that he doesn't want to see his friend upset, but yk i don't actually see hawkeye as being this overly soft pushover who walks on eggshells around everyone and never stands up to his friends for fear of hurting their feelings. he frequently snarks at radar, trapper, henry and mulcahy in the early years. he'd find another way to help mulcahy that doesn't have anything to do with helping him secure a promotion, that's the fuzziest i can make it.
great point about mulcahy using his structural power when he wants something for himself, even though it isn't framed that way.
it's the framing of things that plays a huge role in how i feel about a lot of these characters. at least with frank, you know he's a villain. he's not 'complex' in the way charles is because the writers did not want to risk his villainy to make him sympathetic - it was a better choice to give that to margaret, and i think if you've watched MASH 1970, you can see that gelbart and reynolds made a conscious choice to scale back margaret's villainy and lay the foundation of her arc.
but getting back to your point, a moment of tension between mulcahy and hawkeye could've been interesting. it's seems clear that the writers wanted to give more to mulcahy and conflict with hawkeye could've been interesting - i find they ran into the same issue with BJ. they both have their moments of conflict with him, but hawkeye is the one being punished in those moments. i would've liked to see hawkeye challenge either one of them on their deeply-held beliefs.
#preventative medicine notwithstanding#since hawkeye is still framed as 'wrong' in that one even though he pushes back#re: mash#replies
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