#dsmp real finale

[nomsfaultau]

So about that stream huh

[ranvwoop]

emeraldduo antarctic empire plushies :]

[bleue-flora]

What's often interesting to me, is Dream spells it out in the finale and people often still don't get it, so I thought it'd be interesting to see what he was actually referencing here. To see where it all started.

[24:27] Tommy: “That first war, me and Tubbo versus you–how it should have ended–why’d you take it?” Dream: “Tommy, you ambushed me and killed me. You stole all my shit! You tried ambushing me in a little cave–you don’t remember that? I feel like you just–your memory is just–gone.”

So here is the ambush Dream is talking about, where Sapnap and Tommy basically decide to just kill Dream and then kept all of his shit. [Death 1]

He gets killed again when he tries to take back his stuff. [Death 2]

Tommy kills him for fun right after he respawns with nothing. [Death 3]

Then after Dream gets his stuff back (via our boy Punz) and he takes the discs to get Tommy to stop, he gives Tommy back his items. But unsatisfied, Tommy goes after Dream, gets one of his discs back and hides it in the little cave. Dream tries to find it, while Sapnap and Tommy try to stop him. They are unsuccessful until, Tubbo brings them axes and they sneak up and corner Dream in the little cave, ambushing and killing him. Once again, taking all of his shit, (including, yes, the other disc.) [Death 4]

[27:58] Tommy: “Think about that, we could’ve been friends but no because you have to figure out the reason you have to get–”  Dream: “Yeah we could’ve but you–you ruined the chance of that long ago. It was you.” Tommy: “I ruined it?” Dream: “You ruined it!”

And I don’t think it’s unfair for Dream to say that in the finale, because for Dream it’s this stream early on, these moments that started it all. It’s these instances of Dream getting murdered and robbed and made fun of over and over. Him, trying to not just make peace for everyone, but also reclaim respect and peace for himself. It’s Tommy chasing after Dream when he has nothing to kill him and rub it in his face. It’s Dream, even after all of that, giving back their items. It’s these instances of violence taken too far to the point they clearly pissed Dream off and didn’t care or follow his very simple request of just giving an apology and his belongings back that shape my distaste for Tommy and sympathy for Dream. It’s these moments that I feel like are gone from Tommy’s and our memory that highlight a different story.

[28:34] Dream: “Yeah, we could have been friends if you weren’t a little shit.”

[noxious-fennec]

Wow ctnt are so cool i wish gay people were real... anyway go listen to what happened to you by black honey

[blueswanson]

surprise! transfem ghostbur inbetween working on comms

cc!wilbur supporters DNI. please

[spookierz]

part of me never left that exile

[moltengoldveins]

*shaking slightly* it is normal….. for people on the internet….. to turn out to be not as good of people as we thought they were from the internet…….. this should not ruin my day…. Nor should it affect my mood in an uncontrollable manner….. It is absolutely not my business and nobody should be fishing for more information or harassing creators……. Especially not when that behavior could very easily turn a relatively small issue into a massive life-altering problem for people who are not responsible for the problem in the first place….. so I am going to move on with my day…. And draw some elves or something…… 👍

[feralportalmaster]

So Hermitcraft got mentioned on The Chase??? The TV show??? Fr???

And the whole interaction is priceless

“Hermit Craft is a YouTube series about what video game?”

“Zelda”

“No, Minecraft”

ZELDA???

LITERALLY SAYS “CRAFT” IN THE NAME

[cdroloisms]

I think c!Dream’s death should’ve been drawn out a little more… just to give them a false sense of security

well c!punz made the decision to revive the guy and immediately sicc him on c!clingy in terminator mode while the guy didn't seem to be entirely present in this realm yet so maybe u should take it up with him

[sixaustralia]

just saw a post that was like “when I say I ship [x] I mean it platonically ^-^ I think they’re just friends ^-^” & it’s like. Ok. Number one get out of the fucking ship tag then. Number two, wtf do u think shipping means. “I ship them platonically!” That’s just friendship??? What’s that got to do with shipping??? And number three, THIS IS LITERALLY RPF 😭😭😭 NO ONE BELIEVES THESE GUYS ARE ACTUALLY FUCKING!!!!!! “I ship them as friends” THEY ARE FRIENDS!!!! IN REAL LIFE!!!!!! THATS WHY PEOPLE SHIP THEM!!!!

[rabble-dabble]

well in my head there's a story where wilbur didn't leave tommy behind. or maybe he apologized, grew vulnerable for just a moment and finally said 'i'm sorry i hurt you' and they could both find peace from it. there's a story where tubbo heals from his grief or maybe manages to bring ranboo back and they can be a family again. there's a story where quackity finds success with his casino so Las Nevadas isn't always so empty or maybe karl gains control over his powers and memories and sapnap can sigh in relief knowing his people are okay. there's a story where sam managed to keep tommy safe or at least keeps dream locked away and he forgives himself for doing terrible things to save people. a story where jack and fundy and niki don't feel so left out and powerless and alone and a story where phil has his son alive, cracked and splintered and raw but alive, a story where technoblade can find peace knowing tyrannical governments are things of the past, a story where hannah finds her wings again, a story where captain puffy seeks her lost memories and crew, a story where eret discovers what the mystery of her own past is, a story where george finally wakes up from an endless dream, a story where friends are reunited and homes are rebuilt and the universe learns to read its own code and it talked about love. there's a story in my head where everyone gets a happy ending, or at least one more day of happiness, forever. the story ends with a happy ending, to me. it does to me

[nomsfaultau]

“Chick pawed at [Philza’s] feathers, though it was a rather ineffective preening technique.“Don’t worry, big man. Everyone thought your song was pretty.” [Philza] canted his head to the side, somewhat bemused. Did he really not understand what a Chorus was for? Well, clever as his Chick and Not-Chick were he supposed he couldn’t fault them if complex socio-politic mechanisms of Ravengence culture escaped them. It would be horribly difficult to try to explain it in their primitive tongue.”

yeah Phil, a real shame the 500 IQ Culture intricacies escapes the smooth brain of the plebeian normies (who think you are the equivalent of a clever dog).

[werenotacoupleyesyouare]

Chapters: 1/? Fandom: Dream SMP Rating: Mature Warnings: Graphic Depictions Of Violence Relationships: Alexis | Quackity/Wilbur Soot Characters: Alexis | Quackity, Wilbur Soot, TommyInnit (Video Blogging RPF), Other Character Tags to Be Added Additional Tags: Hurt/Comfort, Attempted Murder, Slow Burn, Enemies to Friends to Lovers, Enemies to Friends to Enemies to Lovers, they try to murder each other a bunch of times and yes, they ARE weird about it, Memory Alteration, Royal au? kinda?, Alexis | Quackity Angst, Wilbur Soot Angst, Wilbur Soot Needs a Hug, Alexis | Quackity Needs a Hug, Panic Attacks

Summary:

“Who are you?” Quackity's head was spinning, his whole world threatening to go down with him. "I've never seen you before, so why do I-"

Wilbur hesitated.

“Oh, Quackity…” He smiled, but there was a strange sadness in his voice as he spoke. “You've known me all your life.”

  Or, the fic where Wilbur is a mysterious man who lives in a run-down castle and declares that if nobody can kill him by the end of the year, he will blow up the castle along with the lands around it. Quackity, of course, takes up the job.

[bleue-flora]

What would it be like in the finale if c!sap or c!quackity confronted c!dream instead of c!tommy. Do you think we would have seen that “you just want friends” moment. I feel like c!sapnap possibly would understand reach that moment with c!Dream maybe better than c!tommy did but as for c!quackity I see no chance of that happening

The quick answer is no. I talked about it I think somewhere before, but it had to be Tommy. Tommy was the only one who could have brought that vulnerability out of Dream. And Tommy had to die and experience limbo from Dream’s pov for that all to happen. In other words, it was the ideal situation.

But let’s say it was Sapnap or Quackity. Let’s say they sent Q to stall Dream and let’s say Dream and Punz didn’t just kill him off the bat, but they allowed him to talk and then killed him and brought him back. What would have been Quackity’s reaction to Dream’s pov limbo?… honestly, I’m not entirely sure. I wouldn’t say I’m an expert on Quackity but here are my thoughts…

Well I don’t think he would be the selfless character to put himself in that situation in the first place, and Tommy also had an upper hand in the fact that his method of stalling was asking Dream why and for his pov. I imagine Quackity wouldn’t ask that though so wouldn’t experience the same limbo. So I imagine, Quackity’s likely method of stalling would be to accuse Dream and justify his own actions, maybe under the guise for Dream’s forgiveness, knowing that if he pissed off Dream then he’d just died and it wouldn’t really be a very good stalling tactic, would it? In other words, it likely wouldn’t be far off from his encounter in the Las Nevadas Finale or perhaps it would be similar to how he interacts with Wilbur.

Now let’s say regardless, Quackity experienced Dream’s pov limbo, then I don’t know, he’d probably use it in his manipulation and stalling tactics, maybe use it to mock Dream or turn Punz against Dream. Perhaps he uses the “you just want friends” to make fun of him - *read in condescending voice* “you say you want all this power and knowledge but really poor little Dream, just want friends” *theatric pout* … Whatever his reaction is it wouldn’t be to reach the understanding Dream and Tommy did, not just because Quackity is well… Quackity, but also because only Tommy could fix what he broke. Only Tommy had the power to change Dream, because it was him that ruined him in the first place, Q and Sam only got the leftovers of what Tommy had down by turning everyone against Dream, triggering that fundemental fear of being alone. It was Tommy and Wilbur that made Dream wonder how the freak did they show up and ruin everything, spurring his yearn for answers. Sapnap and Awesamdude were already in the server and Quackity is just the later infection taking over the wound Tommy left behind…

Having said that, it would have been interesting to see what Sapnap’s reaction would have been. I think like Quackity he wouldn’t be asking the questions of why like Tommy was to stall, because part of his problem is his assumption that he knows. His tactic probably would have been pulling Dream into a long fight and perhaps playing at Dream’s ego. Accusation and nostialga used as weapons - “remember me and you and George built the community house, and then you blew it up, Dream!”- If Sapnap experienced the same limbo, I wonder if it would have done anything more than remind Sapnap what he lost. Unlike Tommy, Sapnap did see Dream as good in the beginning so seeing his perspective at the beginning would not shatter any huge misconception for him. It probably would have just left him feeling angry. making the situation actually worse.

In other words, in order for Sapnap and Dream to reach a similar point as discduo, Sapnap needed a pov of more recent Dream to highlight his poor misconceptions, whether that’s of seeing Punz and Dream setting up the staged vault room, Dream learning about how everyone is trying to kill him, Dream being tortured in prison, or something especially something that highlighted an emotional part of Dream. But as for Q, though an argument could be made against it, I don’t think he wanted to make amends with Dream and unlike Sapnap and Tommy, I don’t think he was as oblivious to his actions of how they hurt people. I feel like he already saw Dream as a person and didn’t give a damn anyways. He did what he had to do, but he isn’t naive to how Dream feels. So there was no limbo that could change that. Perhaps more circumstances and character’s involvement could do something to change Q, but not just between him and Dream. (I think the situation with Purpled and Q would have been more the opportunity to reach that understanding like that of disc duo, but we already know how that turned out.)

So to summarize - Sapnap already knew Dream’s pov in the beginning so seeing it would not have radically changed anything. What he would need is an experience of something more recent Dream that shows Dream has emotions (maybe even specifically feelings for missing Sapnap) and isn’t some just crazy control freak. Then it would more so be feasible for a similar unfolding as Dream and Tommy had to happen. Quackity on the other hand, I don’t get the feeling had a misconception about Dream that needed to be changed so there was no Limbo that would matter. Maybe that’s wrong of me to say and judge Quackity so harshly, but I honestly don’t get the impression he sees Dream as less than human in a way that resulted in what we got in the disc duo finale…

Hopefully that answers your question or at least lays out my 2 cents. I think @elmhat has also talked similarly about alternative finale options so I recommend looking at what they had to say if you haven’t already.

[duncanor]

Dsmp art community needs to be studied under a microscope bc their art is so removed from the original source, it became it's own thing and it's fascinating.

[ghosts-and-blue-sweaters]

Does anyone remember when c!Wilbur became live-action. Wasn’t that a moment.