#don't harass people for their ships

[kathaynesart]

sooo if ted is gone now will capril (cassandra x april) ever be a thing in your au? (i love ur au a lottt btw so well written!)

Thank you so much! As I've said in the past, I'm really trying to avoid actual ships in canon Replica! Like the tv show I do not want to make that the focus, HOWEVER I do want to leave it open ended in the same manner so that there's room for your own interpretation! So if you feel that there's Capril is in this Holiday Special... then there is!

For example: isn't it interesting that April is the only one Cassandra told about the pregnancy? Hm, that could easily be interpreted as just "girl talk" (since she's a woman and would understand better than the guys) or "lover's talk." Again I'm trying to leave this open for your personal preference! The same will go for several other ships, including Raph and Cassandra and even Donnie might have a little something going on the sidelines with a character I'll be bringing back in an upcoming update. Hehe.

Now, I will admit I have my personal preference of ships (I'm a huge romantic and have to really rein it in), but I keep them close to my heart and think that's a little unfair to enforce that onto a story that I want to try and keep "canon" when the canon has never confirmed any of them or even played in that space.

So TLDR, it can be whatever you want!

[linkcharacter]

Oh I have so many thoughts on aroace Curly, I think it brings so much on the table when analyzing the game's story.

Amanormativity ties in with the reoccurring mentions of the nuclear family, from Wrong Organ making 1950s mock advert posters, to Swansea talking about how getting a wife and kids didn't bring him any fulfillment in life.

In the cake cutting nightmare sequence, where Jimmy talks with Dream Curly about the mediocre cake, Dream Curly begins to talk about how sometimes you can only get the subpar stuff in live. Sometimes he'll get promoted, buy a house, fall in love. But other times he'll just have some awful fucking cake with his friend.

I think there is that subtle implication that Jimmy does buy into Amanormativity, with him projecting his beliefs on Dream Curly that a platonic relationship is lesser then a romantic one. But we never see Curly suggesting that he wants such a thing in the pre-crash.

With Jimmy thinking that Curly has everything in life, except for the desire (although I think Jimmy would view it as Curly not having the skills for it) to get a romantic partner, he would heavily lean into getting the one thing that Curly couldn't get in life to one up him.

THATS EXACTLY WHAT IM THINKING!!! AMATONORMATIVITY BE DAMNED!!!!

Looking at Mouthwashing through an aroace lens is interesting

"Jimmy thinking that Curly has everything in life, except for the desire", well said, well said! And references to the nuclear family fit in very cleanly thematically for Mouthwashing.

Jimmy leaning into amatonormativity is a smart observation. Jim internalizes all the social norms and standards on what you have to do to have a normal and desirable life, who sees everything Curly has and what Jimmy wishes he had, and is offended that Curly isn't satisfied, that he has the "audacity" to be unhappy. Curly meanwhile only wishes for his life to be something he doesn't have to run from, because by all means, he has already reached a point where he should feel accomplished, but isn't. Curly doesn't want to be a freighter captain his whole life, he doesn't want to settle with his sustainable position, he just wants to be happy. Like Swansea who has reached the "ideal" outcome of his life, having a wife, kids and a good career, it will never feel as good as embracing all what society deems undesirable yet right for you.

Jimmy does imply to seeing himself as lesser as a friend, "fall in love" being a goal and a "cake with a friend" being something he "has to settle for", it's all in the subtleties with underlying themes of "what you're "supposed to want" by society's expectations" against "what feels right for you". Jimmy is frustrated that Curly is going to "leave the dirt behind him", when in actuality, letting the crew and him go is the last thing Curly wants. Curly wants to be with his friends, he deeply cares about his crew, and about his close friend.

Mouthwashing as a whole reads to me as platonic through and through. Swansea and Daisuke having such a meaningful familial bond, Curly and Anya being sweet, playful and caring without romance, Anya and Daisuke having something of a siblings dynamic are dear to me. Also it's really rare to get to see representations of "toxic friendship" in media. Its always toxic romance this, toxic yaoi that, toxic family there, however in reality, friendships aren't excluded from being as rotten and abusive as the others, yet they're often overlooked. Jim and Curly are especially unique in this way. It's very impressive how they managed to showcase Jimmy's mistreatment of Curly in such a platonic way (at least that how I read it). Jim too, like Curly, in general avoids hints at romance and attraction explicitly related to him during his gameplay, not with Curly, nor with Anya (dear god thanks for that at least). It's all spite, annoyance and parasitizing off of these two. (That man's dry and lowkey hates everyone and everything) No attraction attached, no desires except hoping it hurts.

Curly to me is very much aroace, or at least on the spectrum. Like, the trivia fact that one of Curly's fondest memories is that of his friends putting in effort to make a shitty awful cake, tells us all we need to know on how dear his friends are to him. Platonic relationships mean so much to Curly, even when it's Jimmy fucking Mouthwashing, the worst friend ever imaginable.

[skumhuu]

Proshipper = you're against censorship and harassment over fiction & curate your experience on the internet to have a healthy distance from things that make you uncomfortable

Antishipper = you're okay and even encourage harassment towards "freaks" and "weirdos" society deems acceptable to hurt

[anaphoraholic]

instagram antis r a different breed 💀 first of all the "you cant just change a character to accommodate to your liking" thing is so sad to me.. have u no imagination?? no whimsy or joy?? allow urself to partake in fiction..

second, why do they want other people to be pedos so bad???? this whole comment section was talking ab how still having a crush on a younger cartoon character as an adult is the same thing as pedophilia....which...it is not 😭 saying that someone still giggling over their old childhood cartoon crush as an adult is the same as being attracted to ACTUAL children is a CRAZY take

one thing ab cartoons is that they don't resemble real people? they are very obviously stylized and unrealistic 2-dimensional drawings, and they usually don't look to be any particular age (a 15 and 30 yr old could look the same age depending on the style; in some cases, the 30 yr old may even look more youthful). anyways. my point is that being attracted to a 2d cartoon with cat ears, inhuman proportions and gigantic purple eyes (which typically don't even resemble a realistic human eye) is not the same as being attracted to a real, 3-dimensional human child.

[chaotic-neutral-knitter]

my lukewarm fandom take is that even when there's a fanon thing that I despise with a fiery passion, seeing people who also hate that thing (but haven't bothered to curate their space to avoid it) get their brains pickled by haterism about it is genuinely equally annoying/exhausting/stupid.

if you see a post that's like "I'm not really into [ship], but this is the only way it would make sense to me" and you respond to it with "ew omg why are you even THINKING about [ship] that's SO gross" then my guy you have got to log off and touch some grass or maybe find an actual problem to be concerned about.

you can be critical of something without turning into a frothing at the mouth reactionary every time it's mentioned.

[royalarchivist]

Everyone this week: *lore, conspiracy theories, long conversations with Cucurucho, multiple attempts to summon the Binary Monster*

Spreen when lore:

[marzipanandminutiae]

Not going to lie, friends, I love a bit of Twisted Fucked Up Gothic Romance but I'm team "no no, he's not twisted or fucked up in the fun way; give Ellen a stake and a mallet and let her do what she richly deserves at this point" re: Nosferatu

obviously you do you! they're fake people and it doesn't matter or say anything about you as a person! if you want to go all Dark Consuming Passion there, that's up to you and does not affect me! that's just where I'm at with it

[kathrahender]

If you want to convince someone of accepting/supporting/liking the ship you like, maybe send death threats and harass them is not the best way. The only thing you're probably doing is making them hate/dislike the ship even more, and not only the ship, but also you and a great part of the fandom who like that ship.

[pearlcaddy]

[Twitter thread by Angry Black Changeling that reads: Low-key think any queer adult with DNI boundaries around ‘pro-shippers’ ought to do a detox consisting of education on queer history especially with respect to the fight against censorship + purity culture, and reckon with the way that - and fandom [especially terrible hot takes within spaces centred around fiction] - has furthered a surveillance culture where treating real world people like they are characters with a visible level of morality you can instantly assess + react to is the norm.

It’s not the norm. It’s purity culture at work.

You’re constantly surveilling yourself and others, and creating a level of psychological unsafety that will not keep you safe.

And let’s be serious for a sec, we know that abusers don’t come wearing “proshipper” badges.

Stats inform that they exist everywhere, and most commonly in heteronormative cultural blindspots such as family, schools, churches, institutions.

There could be overlap, but it’s a serious logical conflation to think it’s the 20 something with heart eyes over a fictional age gap you need to look out for.

That’s not to increase paranoia, but point out logical fallacies in that ‘shipping’ rhetoric.

Tbh on a personal level it’s so concerning because it’s so indicative of so many methods of coercive control: from cishetropatriarchy, to racism, to class based oppression - but it’s insidious in the way it’s creating pockets of surveillance within already marginalised + vulnerable communities who seem unable to realise that it functions on an insidious level that amounts to *thought control* + tokenistic morality.

It’s the opposite of safe.

It can be actually dangerous.

It’s doing the work of oppressors freely + willingly. /End thread]

Fandom has furthered a surveillance culture where treating real world people like they are characters with a visible level of morality you can instantly assess + react to is the norm.

It’s not the norm. It’s purity culture at work.

[se-hos]

do you even like macdennis if you can't handle the fact that mac is also a piece of shit to dennis

[burningcheese-merchant]

Honestly I don’t understand the hate behind “toxic” ships in fiction, I personally couldn’t care less what people ship as long as it’s entirely fictional and they aren’t condoning the actions of the characters. Sure I’ll still block someone if their ships make me uncomfortable, but I have a “ship and let ship” type of view on these things.

Exactly. I'm just SO tired and so done with this shit. The Cookie Run fandom has always been shit to some degree, since CROB first came out, but CRK brought in whole legions of people who haven't seen grass in years and it's just sad at this point lol. So long as they're both adults (ZERO tolerance for adult/minor ships at all times, fuck that shit), why does it matter? It's fiction. No one is being harmed. Explore whatever concept or dynamic you wish. Wholesome, toxic, everything in between. Just remember to maintain a healthy level of detachment from it all; don't get mad if people don't ship the same ships you do, don't get wrapped up in discourse or arguing or anything. Doesn't do anyone any good, including you and me.

There are plenty of ships I don't like (in general, even outside of Cookie Run). I am anti-FireWind and always will be. ShadowSpice makes less than zero sense to me, like wtf are you people on about lol. Hollytaya gives me rabies and I hate remembering it exists (God I hate Hollytaya so fucking much it is absolutely unreal lmao). Guess what? I block the ship tags and go about my business. I don't go out of my way to look for ship art or fics, nor do I bother people who ship any of those (or any other ships I don't like). I have friends and acquaintances that ship these three that I've listed, and I don't think any less of them for it. It's all good in the neighborhood. All shipping is at the end of the day is playing dollhouse. Getting mad at people for playing with the dolls in the "wrong" way is dumb and pathetic lol. Live and let live. Hate the ship, not the shipper.

Just don't call me names. Don't accuse me of terrible things because I like hero/villain ships, the enemies to lovers trope, and/or exploring darker topics or relationships in writing. It's FICTION. No fucking shit that stuff is wrong and I don't condone it irl, the fuck is wrong with you? What kind of person do you take me (or anyone else like me) for? I get so goddamn irritated with the shit I see getting hurled at Beast x Ancient shippers regularly, especially on Twitter. People get harassed, people get outright doxed and threatened. All that over fictional talking cookies? You're the ones who need help, not us lol. You don't have to like BurningCheese, you don't have to like Beasts x Ancients, you don't have to like Heroes x Villains at all. That is perfectly understandable, that trope is not for everyone. But don't do that shit. Don't call us misogynists, or abusers, or anything else like that. Those are serious and damning accusations. You've got a lot of nerve saying that to people you don't even fucking know, especially from behind the comfort and safety of a computer screen. Frankly, you cheapen what those horrible things really mean by hurling them at random strangers so carelessly. You think words in a document or lines on a screen compares to real-world violence against innocent people? You think because I toy with the concept of some little buff spicy cookie dude having an evil crush on a little winged cookie lady, I want real people to be harmed? Fuck you for that. I am VERY familiar with the horrors of violent crime, BELIEVE ME WHEN I FUCKING SAY THAT. I hate bad people as much as the next guy, probably more so, because again, I AND MANY I KNOW PERSONALLY HAVE SEEN SHIT IRL, SO DON'T FUCKING COME AND TELL ME I ENDORSE REAL CRIMES WHEN I AM THE LAST PERSON ON EARTH WHO WOULD. Fiction allows us to bask in the light or be engulfed by shadows as much as we wish, while being able to safely disengage and return to real life without any pain or discomfort being inflicted on ourselves or others afterwards. All of this morality and media-enjoyment policing is just the newest incarnation of the fundies that tried to paint Pokemon as satanic, or those pearl-clutching dipshits on the news and in government that insisted that people would become carjacking homicidal maniacs because they play Grand Theft Auto. It's fucking stupid and a waste of time.

I'll say it one more time: YOU. DO. NOT. HAVE. TO. SHIP. BURNINGCHEESE. OR. ANY. OTHER. BEAST X ANCIENT PAIRS. You are entitled to your thoughts and feelings and ships. Block the tags and move along. Block users if you have to. Better yet, turn off your computer and go spend time with real people. There's more to life than Twitter or Tumblr or these wack ass games about cookies, I promise. None of this matters, man. I have a Bill Cipher plushie as my avatar. I post silly dumb memes half the time, and then just ramble nonsensically about Evil Spice Man x Pretty Cheese Lady the other half. This shit is stupid. We're all stupid for liking these games in the first place. They suck. We all suck. Write what you want, draw what you want, mind your own damn business and I'll mind mine

[mileymint]

Normalize enjoying platonic ships without getting attacked for not shipping them romantically.

Normalize enjoying healthy friendships and non-romantic relationships.

Normalize characters interacting regularly without being buddy-buddy or lovebirds.

Normalize enjoying when characters HATE eachother actually without having them fall in love.

[sofigrace]

artist: i've been asked to put another bh member on the background of fearne's coloring book and i chose ashton because i like the pairing

haters: so you have chosen death

[gsmith1030]

Not here to hate. But yeah something felt weird in moana 2 when maui was like "i can pull up a million islands but if ur not there". Then him still holding moana's hand for a bit after she wakes up has me skeptical

Okay so here we go.

I have seen both on here, and in some other spaces on the internet of people that were saying that there's potentially some romantic tension between Moana and Maui.

But I don't think that any of that is intended to be romantic in nature (though I respect and understand people that interpret it to be.) Because they did make her into a demigod/demigoddess which opens up the door to practically a whole lot of possibilities that fans can explore until this is ultimately explored in a third installment (if it comes to pass that is.)

The thing is, that it's unlikely that Moana will have any love interest at all considering that Disney really has not really had any of their protagonists have love interests (with the exception of Frozen) in quite a long time. And for the one time that a "love interest" is involved (again, mentioning Frozen.) He's not the center of the protagonists story. It's her sister that ends up breaking her curse.

The fun thing about media is that there's no really correct way to interpret a characters interaction or dialogue. Whether you interpret it as romantic or platonic really is up to the individual audience member. It's the fun part of being in a fandom.

Perhaps I'm out of touch or something, but I'm not really figuring out what "weirdness" you are referring to.

[phoenixiancrystallist]

It never ceases to amuse me when I check out a new follower to make sure they're not a pornbot and in either their description or their pinned post they have "proshippers DNI." You interacted first, my guy. This shit goes both ways.

[jesterwhoreknee]

Not me wanting to do a Chalastor/Radiobelle roleplay but being scared to death of being attacked or mocked in the roleplay community for it 💀

Don't get me wrong I love Vaggie and Charlie together and loved Vaggie's angel look alongside the backstory and how they met, but Vivzie isn't good at writting women and they don't have chemistry at all. Meanwhile I have always had a soft spot for Charastor and the dynamic/potential they had since the pilot came out. I know it will never be canon and don't intend in wanting it to be because I respect the characters sexualities/official pairings. BUT LEMME ENJOY MY FANON SHIP IN PEACEEEEE 😤😤😤