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whatifwekilledgodandwebothgirls · 8 months ago

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!!Platos alcibiades 1 final reviews!! Enjoy my incoherent rambling

It was fine i GEUSS . not particularly life altering, like the symposium was , the symposium fucked me up , but it was nice . I tend to judge things based on either how many completely new concepts i hadnt considered before the intoduced me with or based on if it inspired me to think of something new . Alcibiades 1 did not offer a whole lot of new information , the stuff about souls cute and all , but the stuff about politics seemed very very( well not basic but ) base level knowlage. It was a nice introduction to the political opinions of philosophers , thats for sure , and it was a lovely introduction to socratic dialoge , like actuall dialoge and not the speeches, since the only plato ive read to completion has been the symposium which did not follow that formating and the rest ive studied do not include the lines of dialoge but exclusively the blocks of text . Reading this book very much reminded me of greek theater , where they woukd have this long monologes and then the little stihourgia( basically when the characters talk to eachother one sentence each ) thrown in there

The translation i got also was not the best , it did not include much analysis of the text , though to be fair its a fairly easy text and didnt need much explaining. One other thing that i particularly enjoyed very much because i notice it in my own translations, but know is stereotypically frowned upon is that the translator took some very spesific words whose meaning is obvious to anyone who speaks modern greek but have wierd endings or that dont conform with modern greeks grammativ rules , words that normally would take an entire sentence of modern greek to be translated , and just refused to translate them , instead keeping them intact in the modern greek text .i dont know if it makes sence but he would take the words καλλιστος γενόμενος which tranlates to " at the moment when you will become the best version of yourself " and just refused to do that tranlation because it is long .

Alright now on to the important stuff

(Trans : alc :you are doing good, socrates, not leaving

Soc: Show great vigor at being as pretty as you can be

Al : I will )

These are the words exchanged after the very infamous" i am the only lover youve ever taken that loves your soul and not your body" converation , but im talking about them first because i want to focus on the linguistic part of it all not the actual context .

The translation given doesnt do the text justice . First i cant to speak about how he says ευ ποιεις which litterally translates to "you are doing good " but it hold much more meaning that than . He is praising socrates actions , dubbing them morally good , with the use of ευ . He is admiting that socrates being his lover is a good thing

Now the second part could be interpreted as alcibiades saying that socrates is doing good by not leaving , but it coukd also be interpreted as " youre doing good . And dont leave " . Either way , to express that dont leave part acibiades uses opatic (in greek its called ευκτικη , eutici im taking googles word on the greek to english translation) which we can tell by the οι at the end of απελθοις . That particular type of the verb gives away the fact that this is alcibiades wishing , not ordering , since its mostly used for wishes or geusses for the future . He does not use imerative . He could have used imperative , the sound and the flow of the sentence would have been the same switched the meaning from " i wish you will stay " to " stay " with a ordering meaning . He could have done that , but he chose to wish that socrates doesnt leave , not order him not to leave , which drive me insane , this man , who had the world in his arms , still shyly refused to order socrates to remain .

The translation is also a bit lackluster with the whole προθυμου part . The actuall translation should be " you shoukd be willing for this , to be the prettiest " now what socrates ment by that beats me , it could have been ironical , it could have been something else entirely that escapes me honestly , im just gonna say that the word προθυμου is really awsome and it shows willingless and as much as vigor and hard work . It is what we used to say in the scouts , that we should always be πρόθυμοι always ready and always willing to give our 100%

( trans : if , then , someone becomes a lover of the body of alcibiades, he wouldnt be loving alcibiades, but one of his possesions. Al : that is true

Soc: whoever is a lover of your soul?

Al: according to the converstation, it must be true

Sic: he who loves your body , when its youth passes , gets up and leaves ?

Al: obviously

Soc: whoever though , loves your soul doesn't leave when it is heading towards improvement, ist it so ?

Alc: very good

Soc: i am then tge ine who doesnt leave but stays shen youve passed your lifes prime while the others have left )

Now to me , this is the very core of the text , and the very key to undertanding a great part of not only socratic dialoges in general , but alcibiades personality and athens politics

It is very important that socrates says he isnt going to leave alcibiades. Its important that he says it , that he makes it clear , we as readers undertand very very clearly that alcibiades is a man deeply loved by socrates , which is insane , since by the time the text was written alcibiades was a nutorius criminal and traitor. Alcibiades was at the time the text was written , a very very hated person , and a very problematic one , yet here we have , the father of philosophy, the poster boy for goodness , a person who is used often by plato to be an example of reason and of morality, saying he loves a man who will later become increadebly moraly corrupted

This testimony of socrates love is the ultimate example of matirial objects versus the world of ideas ( btw once youve had the plato cave alegory explained to you its very easy to understand plato , it almost always is relevant to a point its starting to annoy me ) . He loves alcibiades, the real alcibiades, the alcibiades that exists in the world of ideas , and he rejects alcibiades body , the matirial possesion . This is the back bone of any platonic text , it all boils down to this , objects vs ideas , and in the world of ideas , alcibiades, even alcibiades, even a man who the audience knew as corrupt and a cause of great harm for the city , is in his idealistic state. His soul is good because it exists in the idealistic world , that is the point of that little exchange , and he will be loved by socrates and at a moral hight ground as long as his soul stays intact , and on the other hand , his soul will stay intact as long as he is socrates lover . These two go hand in hand , its a knife that cuts both ways , he will be loved if he reached peak morality and he will reach peak morality if he is loved

Its also important philosophically that socrates rejects alcibiades body , and rejects objects in such a way . He is essentially saying that while alcibiades body will worsen with age , without anything anyone can do about it to stop it , unlike his body , alcibiades mind is totally in his own control , and he can chose to worsen or better his moral grounds . He can choose to take socrates as a lover , he is presented with the chance to be loved by socrates and it is a choice , unlike matirial corruption which is a result of time or forces beyond their control , moral corruption is based only in alcibiades choice not to be loved by socrates

Theres also a lot to be said about how alcibiades as a person not as a literary means would react to this , and what it would mean to him as a person , and how it changed his choices after that, but i will talk about it later .

( trans : so , my beloved alcibiades, the soul , if it means to know itself must look into a soul , and for the most part , the part of it where the souls virtiue is created , the wizdom , and wherever else it happens to bare resemblece with that? )

This again , shows the distinction between phisicality and philosophy , this time more centered around the twos relationship . Its also i think a great way to explain the whole socratic method .

Socrates is explaining here his distaste for physical contact , in his mind , spiritual enlightenmen is the true goal, which can only be found through dialoge , and through conversing with someone else . He is talking about finding knowlage through dialoge not to gain knowlage for the sake of it but so you can better understand your own self , saying this , espesially to a lover , especially to a lover who , through the simposium we know socrates had rejected physical multiple times , is not only in my opinion peak romanticism, but abselout concrete proof of socrates love for alcibiades . He is willing to walk alcibiades through it , to teach him , to help him grow , and in order to do that he will use the socratic method , which before we had seen portrayed as something very sterile but now it is being described as a bearing of the soul , as complete honesty and complete knowledge, he speaks about how we must use others as our mirrors , he wants to converse with alcibiades not to give him knowlage for the sake of it but as an expression of their love and a bonding of their souls . This , combined with the facts we know from the simposium and the general idial that in ancient greece most student teacher relationships were also romantic , solidifies the fact that to socrates , and to plato , and to philosophers in general , philosophy is a means to express their love for the world

I think its also important to say that there is a reason this very very intoductory text that basically hits all the major philosophical points is a discussion between lovers , and not between socrates and anyone else , it further proves the point that philosophy at its core is centered around curiosity yes , but also a love for the world , and a love for betterment .

( trans: i woukd like for you to continiue . I fear though , not out of lack of trust in your nature , but becayse i observe the citys power , that it will best both you and me )

Now if this was written maybe three or four decades later than it was , i would write those final words off as just some random way to close the text . HOWEVER . This was written long after alcibiades had his political peak. Long after the numerous war crimes . And i kept looking back at it . I kept questiong why plato would end it like that , why would he make socrates mention alcibiades has his complete trust , socrates is supposed to be super smart and super moral and all that stuff. Why would he put his trust in alcibiades?

Again , this ties in perfectly with the other part of the conversation where they talked about alcibiades body and what not . Again , alcibiades is portrayed as not being morally bad but as someone who has the potential to prosper , only if he makes the choice of staying with socrates . With those words a new lover is introduced, socrates competition in a way . Alcibiades will only prospect if he stays with socrates and his morality will crumble if he chooses the side of the people of athens .

This to me is the ultimate apologist behavior. Alcibiades is practically forgiven for the atrocious things hes done , and its all placed on the curroption of the people , its fhe peoples fault , its not alcibiades. Athens is portrayed as a corruptive lover, capable of seducing the boy and making him the power hungry war lord he turned out to be , this is the writers way to short of give socrates an exuse for loving alcibiades so much and also to prove that athens and the people in it trully have a tremendous power and trully are in their core , rotten and immoral.

For the texts final conclusion it is explained to us Alcibiades turned to be the way he is not out of inate lack of morality, but because his own powers , and socrates attempts, where bested by the worlds ability to ruin morality and ethics .

#note worthy are also the little bits and piece that have me CONVINCED alcibiades was an athiest in the most annoying way #the multiple times alcibiades is just abseloutely brain fried #the little inteactiom that im mostly forget during which he says hes really embarassed and at a loss of words and he doesnt know what to do #and socrates says “ you will awsner my questions thats what youll do ” while also essentially calling him kid . like okkkk ( im blushing #and kicking my feet)#ancient greece #alcibiades #socrates #ancient greek #socrates/alcibiades

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hexleyelineo · 1 year ago

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Top 10 Reasons Why Little Arroyo SUCKS.

The people.

They are?? Litrally the worst?? omg? theg arenso mean and like they dont even be nice to people? =/ its just kind of cringe and its not even normal because where i live now yiu cant beat peopel up and thats wierd to me becayse thats whst it wds like in little arroyo like all the time because yk. They were not nice? yeha theyre UNFREINDLY! 0/10!!!

2. BORING

Idk its just like realy small and theres nothing to do. like whoopie i can go make a pipe bomb. whatever? so can everybdy?? its just sand and trees and like houses sometimes and also everybodt is liek rlly releigiius and its all “wahh dont have fun wahh dont drink wahhh dont set things on fire wahhh” like ok jodie why dont u go tell ur bitch husband not to set things on fire with ur stepdaughter and then we can talk about my so called “arson” 🙄🙄

3. laws

idk the police officers there were relly cute when i was arrested a few times but thenlaws therre r too relaxed like yeah idkk i dont see why i got arrested for steling an egg but my dad didnt grt arredted for our games cause i dont fhink they were legal

4. people continued

theyr kind of racist and also homphobic. i didnt even kiss any boys yet and they were rly mad at me like for why?? Like idid latee but not yet u know?? =| also im rly pale so i was white passing enoufh to avoud mean comment but my friens who were darkenr than me got yeleld at all the tiem. I bit the people who yelled at them it was fun. Die die die die. just like jerma would have wanted

5. Idk

idk i didnt think thei far ahead it just suxks

6. bad

no wifi the internet out there sucks i coukd barely uplod to youtube when i snucked onto fhe coloputer

7. no dinosaur bones

i dug ablot of holes and bever found any dinosaur bones so yeah it suxked because dimosaura are realky cool lol

8. ummmm no like good food

i liek spicy food but because it was kidnd of self govurned we never got like wendys or anything so i had to eat beries a lot which was ok but the mintiness of blurberries was kind od a lot sometimes

9. glass

Thers broke glass lime everywhere all the time so when u got urbshoes taken away then u had to walk onnit to go to the doggie house to sleep and it hurt but my docktor sais they got all of it out they think so we should be good

10. Name doesnt make swnse

little arroyo? what little arroyo? theres no arroyo. the nerest river is like sevral miles into the mountins. stuoid name honestly they shoukd have named it no arroyo pero hay mucha gente estúpida ugh

#little arroyo hate post

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violentdevotion · 3 years ago

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we are not the same from the age of three i was aware of how love is transitory and that someone always leaves or changes and one day you will be telling someone that you never want to leave and the next youre standing on opposite sides of a white wall and you're burning up a star to say goodbye and here's my clone that can age and grow old with you now I must die and be born a new man.

#maybe i shoukd finish david tennant era #saving this in the drafts until my mutuals are asleep #ameera speaks #my thesis on rose and the doctor is that he loved her and she loved him and theh were eachothers soulmates #except theyre not anymore because theyre no longer the same person #shes 3 times removed from the person they were when they loved Rose #and shes still in love with her version thats got more wrinkles than she can remember #and i think the tragedy is that Rose will get to die with her soulmate and the doctor cant and moreso than that #they remember the bodies that loved her but cant access it anymore #its all there in their mind and OF COURSE they still care and we know thag from 'i could help rose tyler with her homework'but its just #SOO innacessible when theyre LITERSLLY 3 times removed and idk i just the clone wasnt a happy ending it was never a happy ending #it made me want to cry and i was 7 and didnt understand why but there isnt a possible happy ending for them because part 2)#immortality but theough transformation means the doctors alwags losing people they care about #unlike vampirism you cant keep them forever #but also eventually they Have to lose themselves too and i talked about this before but the idea of mourning your own body #and knwoing youre the last person to do so because youd still be there for anyone who cares and you wont care #do you think Rose ever misses 9?#this litsrallt doesnt make any sense but im so upset rn dont talk to me

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gommyworm · 4 years ago

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:&(

#i hate visiting family this sucks !! always ends up in arguments w family that makes me angry cry #and then everyones like o we cant take u seriously because ur always crying and angry like bitch ? shut the fuck up honestly #i hate this uncle hes so irritating and a fucking knowitall he thinks hes soo smart and he refuses to listen to others bc he got his #naturopathic doctor degree lol sir that doesnt mean u shoukd be telling people not to get vaccinated in fact the opposite one would hope !#hes such a douche ! hate it here !! i wanna go home !!! why did i fucking come here !!! i have so much work to be doing !!#im so fucking irritated and tired and i hate being alive and around my familh #gommywords

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starryglittermaiden · 5 years ago

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There havent been many times where I have explicitly been like "I'm ignoring canon" but today I truly found out how that feels

#my posts #hello im ignoring canon for one of my f/os because i think its dumb and out of place #well a certain part in canon #and by ignoring i mean acknowledging its terrible as a whole #and it seems so like out of place? like disconnected from plot even?#so im a mix of ignoring it acknowledgibg that it was bad and also thinking it feels like bad writing #or like not bad writing but it doesnt feel like it shoukd be there #i dont know #itsconfusing now because part of me wabts to drop him now #but also ive had him for 5 years and loved him every second #does anybody have any insight or advice on this

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neptunebeetle · 5 years ago

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Tbh if someone that “passes” comes out as trans your first reaction should not be “i gotta see a picture of them when they were younger!!”

#like i get being curious but its not necessary in the slightest #bc they are not that person anymore. ppl focus on the past too much smh #’they just pass so well i Must look at a younger picture and make facial comparisons’#its just. it aint right. youre just want to see trans people as who they use to be #ppl cannt handle people ‘passing’ well #idk this is about that makeup artist though and my mothers reaction #when nikki i think is her name start talking abt how loving and accepting her mother is #my mom was like ‘i try to be that for you :)’#and i didnt say anything but haha doesnt feel like it #i dont wanna say ‘i know shes trying her best’ because it doesnt feel like it #she helps me with how i wanna look what i wanna wear etc but... she’ll never ever get my pronouns right gdugdj$c #she occasionally corrects herself and tries to avoid ‘girl/woman/etc’ and SOMETIMES she #but she doesnt change to my actual pronouns she just avids using thek at all #which im only okay with Sometimes gifgdjbd #when its around close family i dont get it........ but around strangers or extended family i understand #i mean idk maybe i shoukd be thankful shes accepting at all i iust wish it was more than it is now #idk maybe she is trying her best and its hard for her but i just dont get it because its never hard for me #so i dont really understand....#but ack idk maybe im just ungrateful idk i hate that i feel this way #anyways sorry thats all unrelated #also she knows i go by andrew bt im too scard t tell her its my actual name and not just a fun online nickname or whatever #it feels like im insultng the name she gave me and i hate it but i dont like going by this name i dont i dont like it

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astroninaaa · 3 years ago

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Hot take a talk about technoblade:

Okay look I've been part of this fandom since August(thank god cuz i watched it all live and it woukd be a nightmare to caatch up) I bring this up cuz i want to discuss my problem with technos character. I have watched every single techno livestream that he made on dream smp and believe it or not i used to be a techno sympathiser that is until doomsday. (By techno apologist standards i am qualified to talk about his character hooray..)

Now techno like every character is flawed if he wasn't he would be boring fandom. One of his biggest flaws is being a hypocrite. That is not something you realise until you compare what he says all the time so you need to look a little deeper to realise it and i don't blame people for not seeing it.

This wouldn't be that much of a problem because that is a character flaw among with many others but the problem that his character has faced is that he doesn't develop much.

Now i hear techno apologist jump at me every single time noooo he isn't a stagnant character he has developed a lot. I am not saying that he hasn't developed at all the problem is that he has developed very little especially when you consider everything.

His goals his ideas his perception of the world what he believes him everything that makes his character him hasn't changed much and that is not a good thing from a writing perspective. Now why do i bring this up. Firstly I'm not saying this to say techno is a bad writer far from it he can be very good when he puts his mind to it. The problem with keeping a character in this state is that it's very harmful for said character first and to the story and other characters second. Look even at yourselves i can guarantee that you aren't the exact same person you were like five years ago for example because during that time you made mistakes learned from them and you grew. Just like in real life you also can't stay stagnant in fiction.

Okay so that's the main problem with technos character that he is stagnant as a character. Now this wouldn't be as big of a problem if he didn't have the role that he has.

You see techno both c! and cc! are very good at the game basically. Now why do i bring this up. The reason why i bring this up is bc of where this places techno whuch is at the very top of the chain don't try and seny it. This means that he is one of the most powerful people on the server if you are going to try and go against this point just look at lmanberg guys that's living proof of how powerful and how terrifying he actually is. I know a lot of you are gonna say but every can get stacked or play the game but you guys forget that even if you are stacked you just don't have the skill and cc! Techno of the best people when it comes to that which bleeds into his character. Saying that is like looking at the upper class than looking at the lower class saying just get rich like it doesn't work like that.

Because of his role techno is literally the 1% by rl standards which means he can a lit of things free of consequences bc no one can give him said consequences. The butcher army was ig an attempt at that but they failed miserably let's be real here.

Because he is in the 1% is incredibly skilled at pvp and can do anything bc no one can challenge him this places him on a pedestal and creates a power imbalance a very big one at that.

And that leads to his biggest problem he has practically everything as said by Techno himself and is never challenged, but that's not an interesting character. An audience gets tired for a character that always wins or loses. Because if it happens repeatedly it just takes all the suspense oh he will win immediately. He will go and slaughter them problem solved. That's it every time. Something that techno himself confirmed is then when he has a problem he just stabs it (both of these were said during the egg stream).

And if you are going to bring the things he went through to say he's changed don't cuz as long as he doesn't act on it it means nothing. Like examples Red festival killed tubbo an ally. Traumatic experience right? This is a good moment to develop his character and give us more insight. What happens? Techno tries to dismiss it and shows us his anxiety and gives us insight on his character Great! Character development? Starting to question himself just a bit or any sign of that event having an effect on him? Nope! Why? Cuz he doesn't act on it instead he tries to hide the fact that ever happened and changes to a different topic bc there is no justification there and he knows it. Nov 16th c!technos pov he just got betrayed caused some damage wished death upon his former allies and left. Quite a dramatic scene. He feels betrayed time for some good old character development. Him thinking about himself and his actions. Reflecting on them. Great moment! Problem: literally everything that shows this is done off camera and now suddenly he's retired... Okay you know what fine it's alright he would probably expand upon and did a timeskip to explain the ling time he didn't stream. I see where it's comming from. The butcher army ge gets hunted down bc actions have consequences techno and you can't just run away like that not after doing that. Great point from the butcher army. Go give him some consequences his character needs it. And then he gets executed alright a bit too far but i guess that's how it goes in this server. Techno gets his life back immediately.. well that was a bit pointless but alright a cool scene for the animatic fair. Then he kills quackity.. the butcher army lost.. this.. what? But this was the moment of consequences... and quackity didn't get it back like techno the butcer aemy lost more than techno what? Moving along he teams up with tommy aannnd the 50 withers are up and ready of course you didn't fully retire what was i expecting. And now team up with tommy perfect way to learn about dream and give more insight on lmanberg and how dream is a tyrant and everything techno is supposed to stand against. The green festival tommy chooses tubbo over techno techno feels betrayed understandable.... and then he teams up with dream lmanberg is destroyed and the underdogs are beaten to the ground loose everything they ever worked for and are taught to be scared of the anarchists?!?!?!?!

Okay now hold up a sec I'll have to stop you right there. What. did. you. just. do. Cuz there is a limit to the amount of stuff you can let a character get away with. The line was crossed months ago this is not good at all.

Also what are yoi guys talking about consequences. Lives? All 3 home? Right there pets? The ones that died were the ones he brought expecting to not live he brought them there on purpose so they don't count. He is one of the most wealthy peoole on the server (no one beats ranboo lol) what did he exactly loose? Friendships? Was that all the hardships you guys have?

Lmanberg lost their home their lives their wealth their pets their friend everything they loved and lived for everything they stood for they lost a part of themselves in the end.

Look at the last 2 paragraphs and how imbalanced that is. How are you guys blind to this How?! And why did doomsday happen? Because the butcher army failed. And if anything techno proved them that they should have punished him harder with this.

So what was the lesson of doomsday?

That you shoukd obey the people on top and never go against them or you will loose everything you love.

Great lesson guys this is exactly the lesson the rich class and every single tyrant tried to teach society and this lesson is being told by the anarchist great job....

Do you see the problem now. This is the reason techno needs a consequence bc if he keeps going like this he will become a Mary Sue. And that is a horrible direction for a character that has a lot of potential. That potential is why i liked his character that much in the beginning but now it's almost non existent. Anyway I'll end this now cuz this went on for too long. That's basically my opinion on it feel free to share your thoughts.

okay. okay. i read this like three times bc. because look

i agree in some very specific points, but i disagree in very broad manners.

(this entire......... essay is all /rp and /nm!!!!)

anyways. send me hot takes!!!

i like c!techno. i personally think he's one of the most fun characters to watch because i enjoy the mess, the crazyness, the chaos of it all. watching doomsday through c!tommy's eyes was painful. watching doomsday through c!techno's eyes was just so fucking hilarious and exciting and fun. he's just a fun character to watch. he's just Funny. i am a fan. however

for starters: ctechno is, 100%, out of the park, an stagnant character. he has little to no development throughout the story. we see no changes in how he acts. that's not necessarily a bad thing, but considering the type of character he is, watching him develop (be it to an actually full-fledged villain or towards a redemption arc) would be ideal to keep him a character people can actually support.

i wouldn't say he's a hypocrite. c!techno has a very strict moral code and he follows it with no hesitation, with no doubts. the point is that his moral code is flawed and skewed. that doesn't make him a hypocrite, that makes him someone with bad morals.

calling c!techno "the 1%" is a stretch. for one- c!ranboo has as much resources, if not more, as c!techno does. he has dozens of totems, thousands of emeralds, and probably has one of the higher counts of diamond and netherite on the server. why is that never brought up? because it doesnt matter. c!foolish has so much gold and diamonds and netherite and just everything, really, and it's also never brought up/a reason for people to be afraid of him. the dream smp isn't a capitalist universe, there's no "1%". specially bc there's, like, i don't know, 20 players? that makes c!techno 1/20 OR 3/20 if we count c!ranboo and c!foolish. but that's not the point at all: the point is that ctechno is feared bc he's skilled and has a relevant personality, not bc he has resources. c!wilbur has no shit and he's still terrifying, there's no character willing to oppose him. not because of resources, but because of who he is. when c!techno first fled from l'manburg into "retirement" he had no shit either, it took him a while to be rich again. no one attacked him either way.

why, you ask? bc he fought against c!quackity with a fucking pickaxe and won. that's why. c!techno doesn't need resources to be feared. the power imbalance doesn't come from his resources, it comes from others’s fear. and they have a reason for that fear, bc c!techno hasn't been defeated yet. that has nothing to do with "upper class" and "lower class". because, one, not a capitalist system and class disparity isn't as simple as that, and two, even without his "riches" he still wins, bc he's got the skill. if you take out the skill, him being rich means nothing and he wouldve been easily killed by the butcher army or c!tommy or whoever decided to kill him. a good example is, once again, c!ranboo: if he wasn't friends with everyone and someone decided to actually fight him like was done with c!techno, he would've died. easily. being rich in the smp is relative.

c!techno will be challenged when we have a character strong enough to challenge him in a way that matters. it's important to be smart about it. that's why i'd love to see, out of everyone, c!philza turn against him, but that's a how other discussion (WHICH I'M WILLING TO TALK ABOUT.......... everytime i make these and i add little point i dont elaborate on and then say i'm willing to talk about them and no one ever asks me to <//3 PAIN /nm /lh).

i do think he's a character that just Always Win in narrative ways and that's very frustrating. he does need to get pulled a few notches down. again, that will only happen when we have a character that can step up to him and challenge him in a way that matters (woooo c!philza you want to hold c!techno accountable for his bullshit so bad woooo........)

now, onto c!techno's trauma. he doesn't need to show it. he- he doesn't. that's........ not how trauma works, and that's one of the points that make his trauma so forgettable for the viewers. c!techno is, from inside out, a character that hardly shows his emotions, but that doesn't mean he doesn't display symptons of trauma. he does, they're just a lot more subtle than other characters's. that doesn't mean he doesn't have any or that he isn't affect by it. c!techno is, in a lot of ways, a lot like c!tubbo: both of them don't mention the shit they've gone through and don't react to it and bc of that some of the viewers don't see how important some traumatic events were in their characterisation. that's why you analyse those characters's trauma through behavior, not through easily seen displays of trauma.

i do think it's taken a little too far with c!techno. the way he reacted to c!tommy's death was...... disappointing, to say the least. c!techno is an underwhelming character in many ways. as said before, it's because he's stagnant. that definitely needs to be worked on.

about the syndicate? yeah, no. theyre not teaching others to fear them. others just Do That bc of their history on the server, but they have literally talked about how they want to better their reputation, bc they don't want to be seen as murderers or oppressors in any way. are they flawed? yes, very much. they have no indicators of what is or isn't a government and they show no regard around the importance of a difference between an oppressive and a democratic government.

they had no right to show up at c!tubbo's door and interrogate him, because they can't appoint themselves as government police. for starters, that's not how anarchy works (they should've had everyone's permission for that. they obviously don't), but also it's just... stupid. it makes it seem that they're trying to boss everyone around so that they live like the syndicate wants them to, which goes directly against the syndicate's own ideals. however, c!techno thinks he has that right. he thinks this is what he's supposed to do. he's just following his moral code - his moral code is just deeply, deeply flawed. what he says and what he does contradict each other but not for him, not to his interpretation. to his interpretation, he's following his strict moral code.

what happened at doomsday was horrible and c!techno has to be held accountable for it, yes, but, again, no character knows how to work around c!techno enough to hold him accountable for it. that's not c!techno's fault.

l'manburg just deserved better, honestly, but to be fair c!techno has been taken advantage of time and time again (sometimes purposefully, sometimes not) and he's fucked up in the head, god bless LMAOOOOOOO

i agree that things need to change otherwise he's just gonna keep being a stagnant character who can get away with everything. i do think he has more to him than meets the eye, tho. meh idk that's still just analysis!!! we have no way of knowing the intent behind c!techno's characterisation, at least not for now. i hope for the best tho cc!techno don't let me down <3

#c!techno critical #adding just in case #technoblade #c!technoblade critical #hot take ask!!!#i don't excuse his actions i just think things are not that easily said and done.#also didnt say it but i would NOT call him a mary sue. the only server mary sue is ranboo i am so sorry- LMAOOOO #that's not the concept of mary sue at all. it just- no it's just not i'm sorry #but i see where you're coming from anon and i respect your opinion!!! i just added my own since i said from the start #that i'd be saying what i thought of y'all's hot takes. if anyone just wants me to post your hot take and not say anything about it thats #fine! just lmk otherwise i Will comment on it i am a Law Major. i cannot Help Myself from Discussions #LMAOOOOOO

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hello-yue-here · 3 years ago

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welcome back to like the 10th one of these omg i never get this many asks for ask games i LOVE it omg

on deck: zukka my boys yall are BAck

i wanna write a modern day amnesia fic. i love amnesia fics so much but i have yet to see a zukka fic do it in a modern au so heres my thoughts:

sokka and zuko are married. have been for three years. before they met through work and despised each other. sokka was a nitpicky event coordinator and zuko was a professional caterer that sokkas clients always requested despite how much he didnt like the guy. before the pair met, sokka was actually thrilled to meet him because of how many of his clients raved about his food. hed worked with zukos catering company a few times, but zuko had never actually worked an event himself because he spent most of his time in his actual restaurant.

until one day zuko actually came to an event. it was the wedding if his sister and her new wife Jin. sokka was the planner and was thrilled to finally meet one of the best chefs in the city.

but things werent going well in the kitchen because some newbie made a mistake and zuko was stressed and angry and snapped at sokka when he tried to introduce himself.

so sokka held a mean grudge even tho every time they interacted after that and zuko hated him right back because he tried apologizing and sokka was still being a dick to him.

things happen eventually they fall in love yay happy woohoo. them falling in love isnt important to the story, just the background information that they hated each other at one point

but then zuko gets into a car accident on his way home. some asshole with his lights off ran a red light and crashed into zukos car.

he wakes up in the hospital and sees that goddamn asshole event planner in his room and asks “why the hell are you here?”

aaaaaaand thats how they figure out hes got amnesia.

zuko is informed that hes got amnesia and that sokka is his husband. zuko thinks this is all a big trick but its not. sokka is upset that his husband is back to the same man who hated him 6 years ago, but hes determined and stubborn and will make him remember.

zuko has to go home and live with sokka since they share a home and zuko needs to be on bedrest, but sokka sleeps on the couch, katara aang azula suki or toph comes over almost every day, sokka is accomodating and friendly and gives zuko things to remember their old life and zuko feels so weird.

like he shoukd hate this guy! but hes being so nice. apparantly theyre married so of course hes nice. and zuko is frustrated because hey yk hes actually kinda funny and cute and kind but he still doesnt trust him just yet and he still sometimes forgets that hes not supposed to dislike sokka anymore. but he just cant forget how awful it was to work with sokka. sure zuko shouldnt have been an asshole to him their first meeting, but he apologized! its not his fault sokka held grudges.

its tought and its a struggle but eventually zuko falls in love again. even after he falls in love again he cant remember everything about their past. but sokka will always tell him stories that he forgot.

and if zuko says “im the luckiest man alive to have fallen for you twice” to make sokka blush like a madman then so be it.

#atla #sokka #avatar the last airbender #this is the good good #zuko #zukka #zukka fic #this would be ~complicated~ to write #but i like amnesia fics and modern aus and yeah

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