#doctor who had KYLIE MINOGUE

[sincerelyhannahx]

doctor who??? bridgerton??? murder mystery??? jonathan groff??? dungeons and dragons??? cosplay??? kylie minogue??? previous doctors??? tragic gays??? and during pride month no less???

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this is probably at least part hindsight bias but it's incredible how in the runaway bride (the only episode catherine tate was initially intended to be in) donna immediately feels like a full-time companion. her chemistry with ten is so good that you kind of forget she hasn't been running around in the TARDIS and they actually just met. it's crazy how she achieved something I never felt with any other one-time companions and it's probably one of the reasons she was brought back for series 4 to begin with

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big day for pigfuckers everywhere

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How Behind-the Scenes Issues Affected the Writing of Doctor Who (Both Good and Bad)

Doctor Who is such a fascinating show to look at from a Watsonian v. Doylist perspective. Like, entirely just from an episode writing point of view:

Twice Upon A Time feels so slow and meandering and even boring in places because Chris Chibnall didn't want to start his run as showrunner and Steven Moffat didn't want the show to lose the coveted Christmas timeslot (ironic, I know) so he bumped the Twelfth Doctor's regeneration from the end of The Doctor Falls (where it makes sense) to the end of the Christmas special

Boom Town (my beloved) only exists because originally there was going to be an episode in its spot explaining that Rose had been molded to be the Doctor's perfect companion (by the Doctor, gross) and the writer didn't have the time to commit to the show

The ending of Last Christmas feels like one inside-a-dream too many because originally Jenna Coleman was questioning whether she was going to leave the show or not and the ending was rewritten after the first readthrough when she decided she wanted to stay for another season

The first five episodes of Season 7 feel like each one takes place in a different genre because that's literally how Steven Moffat pitched it to the writers; for example, A Town Called Mercy was literally pitched as "Doctor Who does a Western"

Not so much a weird one but one I find cool: Eleven's first words and Thirteen's first words were literally written by Moffat and Chibnall respectively, as they were brought in to write the first words of the first Doctors of their runs so as to make it cohesive

The reason why Fourteen isn't wearing Thirteen's clothes when he regenerates is because Jodie Whittaker is much shorter than David Tennant and Russell T. Davies didn't want it to look like he was making fun of the genderfluidity of the Doctor (still think he made the wrong decision, but eh)

Wilfred Mott isn't in the Runaway Bride and Donna's father isn't in Partners in Crime because the actor who played Donna's father, Howard Attfield, died after filming several scenes for Partners In Crime, leading to the character of "Stan Mott" from Voyage of the Damned being written into Partners In Crime as Donna's grandfather

Astrid Peth doesn't die in the original drafts of Voyage of the Damned, but Russell T. Davies wrote what is generally considered one of the most emotional deaths in Doctor Who just because he wanted Kylie Minogue to be able to focus on her music career

Originally Oxygen was written as a prequel to Mummy on the Orient Express, where a corporate representative appeared on a monitor. Said representative was fired for his fumbling of the station and would later live on as the company computer, Gus

During Season 11, Chris Chibnall had to do some major rewrites for many of the one-off episodes, therefore The Battle of Ranskoor Av Kolos ended up being a first draft that made it to screen. He later admitted it was his least favorite episode of the series

And this is only a fraction of what I found in terms of major behind-the-scenes writing reasons. Though I am still totally willing to critique the product that made it to our screens, finding out the reasons behind some of the more badly written episodes of the show really made me feel sympathy for every showrunner of the show as well as appreciate a lot of the good episodes that ended up here despite the short production schedule/unexpected problems (once again, Boom Town my beloved AND everyone's favorite companion Wilfred Mott only exist because of unforseen problems). Absolutely bonkers, isn't it?

[legok9]

Doctor Who + Kylie Minogue

Australian pop singer Kylie Minogue has had an usual relationship with Doctor Who:

Kylie Minogue read Camera Obscura while filming the Come Into My World music video (2002):

She is mentioned in the short story "That Time I Nearly Destroyed the World Whilst Looking for a Dress" (2004):

No party was complete without Polly! (Like Edina, Kylie and Tara, I had become so important that I no longer needed a surname.)

The Shada webcast had a bonus feature of the characters dancing to "Can't Get You Out of My Head" (2003):

The Idiot's Lanterns had this line (2006):

"It's never too late, as a wise person once said. Kylie, I think."

The "Dance of the Cybermen" (2006):

Kylie Minogue played Astrid Peth in Voyage of the Damned (2007):

Kylie Minogue effectively cosplays as the Fifth Doctor (2017):

Liberation of the Daleks (2023):

She even got a Magic: The Gathering card! (2023)

[ourfandomcrazyuniverse]

Adding to the ‘this season of doctor who is a meta tv show’ theory we literally had a Kylie Minogue song in this episode. Who is, you know, a still very well known cameo in the show

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WHAT DID U THINK ABOUT DOCTOR WHO??????? I LOVE IT SO MUCH SDFRHGREVFDENTHSEJBNRHXDSFNMDBG

oh god

OH GODDDDDD

AAAAGGGHHHHHHH

massive spoilers DO NOT READ THIS if you don't want spoilerssssssss

ok ok I won't start with the end

so

*breathes*

they're dancing and it's Bridgerton!!!!!!

I loved how much fun Ruby was having

and OH THE FLIRTATIONS BETWEEN ROGUE AND THE DOCTOR

TALL? HANDSOME? THAT JACKET LOOKS GOOD ON YOU?????

THE KYLIE MINOGUE SEQUENCE WAS HILARIOUS THO

and also the fact the magic paper accidentally had hot on it THAT'S SO FUCKING FUNNY

also true

AND WHEN THEY GOT CLOSE IN THE TARDIS

(ok so the homophobia from my family was none :D I was watching it with my parents and my sibling, and also my parents' friends from uni, with their children

and one of my parents' friends was really gently explaining to her child that the doctor was gay

because the child said 'wait what' when they got super close to each other

and her mum was just like really sweet like 'yeah they're gay' but in a really nice way and I was like awwww thank you for not being homophobic

I mean her job is basically human rights so I don't know why I was worried

I was worried tho. in the end the only person who reacted was the kid who is still learning so that's ok)

and OH MY GOD THE DANCING LIKE LET'S CAUSE A ✨SCENE✨ OH IT WAS WONDERFUL!! PROPOSALLLLL!!! DRAMA!!!!

COSPLAY OWLS????? COSPLAY OWLS!?!?!?!

C O S P L A Y

O W L S

10000/10 no notes

ok THEN IT TURNS OUT RUBY IS SUPER COOL AND DEFEATED EMILY

SO WOOOOOO

but NOOOOOO BECAUSE SHE'S TRAPPED AND THE DOCTOR IS CRYING SO MUCH LIKE WHYYYYYYYY

AND THEN ROGUE DISTRACTS HIM BY KISSING HIM AND IT'S SUPER ROMANTIC BUT ALSO WRONG TIME GUYS BUT THEN HE HAS THE REMOTE AND THE DOCTOR'S SO FLUSTERED HE DOESN'T NOTICE BUT SUDDENLY ROGUE IS SACRIFICING HIMSELF

AND THEN HE'S LIKE

✨Find me✨

DEVASTATING

IT WAS DEVASTATING

and oh my goddddd the FLOWERSSSSS

Ruby's like STOP PRETENDING YOU'RE OK COME HERE YOU NEED A HUG

and then the Doctor looks at his ring thoughtfully like OH MY LOVE I WILL FIND YOU

and then dumdeedum dumdeedum dumdeedum dudududuh

(you know how I just typed the theme tune? well turns out as soon as I typed the word 'dum' IT WAS ALL IN MY TEXT PREDICTION!??!?? HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I TYPED THE DOCTOR WHO THEME TUNE!?!?!?!?)

*sigh* I will now rewatch it and rewatch it and rewatch it

[asoulwithadream]

(beware, beware, spoilers are here, the doctor is our favourite guy, for rogue you will cry)

The Doctor and his D&D boyfriend (who eventually dissapears into a random alternate dimension) try to stop a family of birds cosplaying Bridgerton and taking over Britain whilst Ruby teaches a debutante modern day slang and serves cunt.

I am currently writing this through tears because I think that Rogue has fundamentally and psychologically changed me. The amount of changing, rapid-fire emotion that I went through in the span of those forty minutes is probably unhealthy. What do I even say about this episode? It started off brilliant and amazing and then cycloned into a heart-wrenching yet light-hearted and ever so confusing ending which has left me mouth wide open. It really displayed the best side of all the characters in a way that was so incredibly smooth.

The Doctor was charismatic and suave and had a rapid mind which turned from teasing to flustered to desperate. He cares, he cares so much, maybe even too much, that he'd rather lose himself in a kiss than save the world and banish his best friend forever. And Ruby Sunday, with her own mind to speak her own truth, captivating effortlessly with just her thoughts. She's quick thinking, able to defend herself and seeks perspective—Ruby, who sees straight through the Doctor's wall, and pressures him to just at least hug.

Where do I even begin with Rogue himself��he was instantly likeable, with his arrogancy and his gentle descent into a soft dare-devil who just wanted someone to argue with. His relationship with the Doctor was (*for the lack of the proper word imagine me biting my hand and silently screaming*).

Once more, Millie, Ncuti and Jonathan are actually my loves and they should have all travelled together in the TARDIS, change my MIND.

Some of my commentary:

JONATHAN GROFF? WHAT ARE YOU DOING IN MY DOCTOR WHO EPISODE

You could never make me hate you Ruby Sunday

The homoerotic tension is insane.

I just want to talk about that little "okay!" Ncuti's way of portraying the Doctor is so human; he's never perfect, he makes mistakes, he has reactions to things that make it so relatable and Ncuti so likeable.

You could never, EVER, make me hate you Ruby Sunday

"My name's Bond, Molecular Bond."

ROLL FOR INSIGHT. NO FUCKING WAY. NO WAY.

THEY HONOURED KYLIE MINOGUE. LONG LIVE ASTRID PETH!!!

"Flustered suits you, Doc," JONATHAN.

Ncuti is the suavest man on this side of the Universe. (Jonathan's the suavest on the other side.)

"Let's argue across the stars" Sure I didn't need my heart anyways!

THE SPOTLIGHT

"Find me," babes you just emotionally ruined both me and the Doctor actually stop.

"Onwards, upwards, new horizons." bestie please go to therapy

I usually try not to watch the teaser at the end so I can be as surprised as possible, but I inadvertently glanced at one scene accidentally—so... SUSAN TWIST RECOGNITION EPISODE LET'S GO!!!!!!!

[oldbutchdanielcraig]

david tennant era of doctor who you WISH you had kylie minogue in the way ncuti gatwa era of doctor who had kylie minogue

[denimbex1986]

'Saving Kylie Minogue from a bridge was not in Colum Sanson-Regan's plans when he turned up as a Doctor Who extra.

But David Tennant was not around, so someone had to do it, and producers thought Colum looked like the doctor.

"I've saved Kylie, flown the Tardis, held the screwdriver and had Billie Piper look deep into my eyes and tell me how much she loved me," joked Colum.

"I asked the producer 'Why am I putting on the doctor's suit? They replied 'Well, David Tennant isn't in'.

Now a father of two, Colum was earning some extra cash before his first child was born.

"I didn't know what was going on," recalled Colum of when he arrived on the set but was ushered past the "cold bus" where the extras usually hang around and was shown to a posh trailer.

The 10th Doctor had to leave the set for the 2007 Christmas special Voyage of the Damned, and producers needed a Tennant-alike for some extra shots showing his back.

So they improvised and Colum, then 31, stepped in to the suit synonymous with the Doctor since the world's longest running sci-fi TV show rebooted on the BBC in 2005.

Colum, now 46, had been asked by producers to be on set early but he had no inkling that his time (lord) had come.

"All of a sudden I was standing with the suit there, and I was handed a script and told 'You're gonna need this'," recalled Colum. "I was thinking pinch me, what's going on?

"Then I went for a haircut and a little Australian lady passed me dressed in a French maid outfit and said hello. I did a double take and realised I was there with Kylie Minogue."

The Australian singer and actor was a Doctor Who superfan and had asked for a part, which was humanoid waitress Astrid Peth, a one-off companion of the doctor.

"I was a bit star struck, for sure," he admitted.

His first work in Voyage of the Damned - where a starship replica of the Titanic is on collision course with Earth - was an action-packed scene where killer robot angels launched a deadly attack.

"There was a bridge, and the killer robot angels were trying to shoot, so I had to stop Kylie from falling over," recalled Colum.

"I had to hang on to her and pull her back from a precipice. That was the first thing I had to do in the morning."

The author and musician had a gig with his band that weekend in Leicester. As Kylie almost sang, he couldn't get it out of his head that he had worked with her - and we should all be so lucky.

"We got in the car and I said to my bandmates, guess who I've been working with this week?" said Colum, who lives near Cardiff.

"We'd been driving for almost two hours and had nearly hit Birmingham and they still hadn't guessed. I had to tell them! They're like 'absolutely no way'. It was so bizarre."

To Colum's pleasant surprise, producers were so happy with his work and lookalike skills, they asked him to play the Doctor again in the 2008 episode Journey's End - this time as his clone in the final episode of the fourth series.

That meant he had to be in the same scenes with Tennant, Billie Piper, John Barrowman and Catherine Tate, making her final appearance as a regular.

"I got to fly the Tardis in Journey's End," recalled Colum, who is originally from the Republic of Ireland.

"Everybody was gathered around the central console of the Tardis. We all had to have our hands on the machine and flying controls. Everybody was on that episode. There was a real buzz.

"I got to hold the screwdriver - they were very protective and kept taking it off me."

Colum was then involved in an emotional scene where Rose Tyler, played by Piper, had to say her final goodbyes to the doctor.

"It was an amazing and surreal experience.

"The nicest thing I have to take away was getting to work near David Tennant. I loved it. He was a thoroughly lovely, lovely guy and so professional. I think that was my favourite thing about the whole crazy time."

This weekend sees Tennant and Tate back together for Doctor Who, reprising their roles as the Doctor and Donna Noble in The Star Beast on BBC One on Saturday evening - but Colum will be back on his sofa with his family at home.

Husband to Kerry, singer and guitarist of band Goose, a creative writing lecturer and author of books like The Fly Guy, The Tall Owl and Other Stories, Colum has limited time for more extra work - especially after having his own trailer as the doctor's double.

"I'm looking forward to the show on Saturday with the return of some fantastic actors," added Colum.

"As a fan, working on the show was incredible and it's only strengthened my love for Doctor Who."'

[anotheruserwithnoname]

An interesting item in one of the UK tabloids. I'm not familiar with Vera but I guess it's a long-running female detective/police show in the UK? Anyway, the way this article is written it's not clear whether it's speculating that Jenna Coleman might be in line to take over the role of Vera or if it's implying that The Jetty must be followed by more Ember Manning series (which is something I've suggested is quite possible if it's a hit and they don't do something like make Ember the surprise villain or kill her off, both of which sound unlikely based on what we know about the storyline so far). It's a tabloid and tabloids once reported with authority that Kylie Minogue had been cast as a Cyberman in Doctor Who, but still food for thought.

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I had a dream once last year that was effectively a crossover of X-Men and bbc Ghosts and i want to expand on that a bit.

So basically the premise was that Ghosts exists in the world of the X-Men movies, but nothing much changes, at least not in the first few series plots. All the ghosts apart from Pat and Julien wouldn't know jack about mutants anyway as they sprang up in like mid 20th century onwards.

Alison is a mutant, but doesn't think she is because despite the fact she lives in a world with mutants, completely trusted the suggestion of that one ghost doctor in the hospital who practised and died before mutants became a widespread thing. Kylie Minogue is also in the same boat but maybe she is aware that she's a mutant. Alison the fucking idiot completely thinks that she isn't though.

But effectively the plot of my dream was that anti-mutant sentiment was on the rise and some hate group kidnapped Kylie Minogue, which was a big deal because her mutant status was not public beforehand and also she's a famous public figure who just got fricking kidnapped!

Cue Alison and Mike finally realising that Alison is a mutant (she thought that she and Kylie were the same, which they are, but she'd thought it was in an non mutant way, the ghosts lore so close to death way). And now they have to do with a whole load of shit and anti mutant sentiment is still rising and Kylie is kidnapped and held under ransom which the ghosts hear on the news and are really worked up about (they want to go save her and start a plan before someone remembers they cant actually leave, by which point they start badgering Alison to carry out their plan. The plan is basically a combo of a bunch of heist tv shows, films and books the ghosts like or have been watching recently. Alison having a martini shaken not stirred features prominently.)

Alison is Not Going To Do That, thank you very much, because while she may be bonkers in her own right she is not that bonkers. She does send anonymous hate messages to anti-mutant groups though and basically be a nuisance raiding anti mutant forums.

[msclaritea]

Russell T Davies told Helena Bonham Carter to decline Doctor Who role | Radio Times

The pair co-hosted Jo Whiley's BBC Radio 2 show

Published: Monday, 18 December 2023 at 9:00 pm

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The beloved sci-fi series has featured the likes of Kylie Minogue, Andrew Garfield, Carey Mulligan and more – but it seems as though Helena Bonham Carter was also set to appear in the show. That is, until Russell T Davies advised her against it.

The pair spoke about Carter's inclusion in the Whoniverse on tonight's Jo Whiley BBC Radio 2 show, which they co-hosted.

When asked by Whiley whether she had ever been in Doctor Who, Davies revealed: "She’s been offered and madam was too busy. 'Not this time' came back the answer." He also added: "There are better parts coming."

But Carter was previously asked to appear in an episode, Carter revealed, saying: "What was it? You said, you actually said, 'This isn’t quite good enough.'"

Reflecting on the role, Davies said: "I did, oh gosh. Actually it wasn’t... no, I mean it wasn’t big enough, it wasn’t good enough for you. It was a lovely part and they offered it, but I secretly sent you a note saying turn this down. We’ll get you something better."

Carter then added: "He did, he said, 'You know what, no pressure.'"

It was obviously something that was previously kept under wraps, with Davies admitting: "Oh god, I never told the team that. I am completely hung and drawn and quartered now. I said, 'Don’t do this!'"

So, could Carter be making an appearance in Doctor Who now that Davies is back at the helm of the show? Well, Davies continued: "I know what’s coming up in the future. I know there’s a better part coming."

And it seems as though Carter is all too keen, saying: "Of course I’d do anything."

The pair have obviously had a stellar working relationship, most recently teaming up on Davies's Nolly, which saw Carter take the lead as Crossroads star Noele Gordon."

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Do you know what Benedict Cumberbatch and Helena Bonham Carter have or had in common?

The same p.r. rep in Britain, Karon Maskill, who although technically only worked for his Ex-partner, Sophie Hunter, took it upon herself to routinely join in with threatening him, her own client. It was to force him to appear in certain projects, like Brexit, The Book of Clarence and Eric on Netflix. She is known for it; one of the reasons she tries to keep who she manages under wraps.

Karon Maskill also reps Eddie Izzard, the face of the British Misogynistic Trans movement. After finally kicking Hunter to the curb, last Summer, Maskill STILL attempted to exert control over Cumberbatch, in the U.S. She was kicked out. So, I guess we'll never know if Russell T Davies asked Helena Bonhsm Carter, nicely to be in his projects, or if she was even asked nicely to be in The Crown. The public should realize by now, that the show was intentionally created to damage and eventually destroy the Royal Family. Now you get the anticlimatic final season.

"Why did Karon Maskill let it leak that she and Sir Cliff Richard were an item only to later retract that story? Because what I was told about her MO is true. Turns out Cliff wasn't just closeted but was also a known predator: "Cliff Richard abused children at the Elm Guest House and elsewhere, it has been reported. Sir Cliff once owned a company called Blacknight Limited, an unusual moniker with distinctly occult connotations. Blacknight was registered to an address in Tavistock Square. In another extraordinary coincidence, Cliff Richard's lawyer, Gideon Benaim, has his office in Tavistock Square. Benaim previously represented the notorious convicted paedophile, Roman Polanski." In other words? She had Cliff by the bollocks, so more than trying to beard for her client it was about profiting off of his situation herself. Now I wonder if her unethical behavior prompted Borkowski PR to let her go. The hush money that she shook out of Cliff and other clients allowed her to set up her own agency..." Leaf, on Tumblr

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Another Thing Chibnall can't do right: Audience Surrogates

I'm going to start this last rant with one illustrative question: Why isn't Ryan Sinclair popular?

He is consistently considered the blandest out of a cast of terribly bland, flavorless characters, but why?

Cause let's look at a purely 'theoretical' description of his character: He's a warehouse worker who experienced dicrimination & frustrating shit because of his disability & racism, he has a messy complicated family situation that he's salty about, he likes videogames, experimental music and making youtube videos.

On paper, he sounds like Mr. Relatable Millenial. Why didn't ppl eat his character up? Cause it's not like there isn't an appetite for it, ppl had been clamoring for black main characters, disabled peeps, more working class protags, what have you. There's demand.

Now I generally consider 'Relatable' a a false god & I'm the first to get angry when someone argues all characters need to be 'relatable everymen'. RTD loved that trope a lot & then ppl got mad when Moffat wasn't RTD and loudly proclaimed that no real person would relate to Moffat's characters (I guess I don't exist then...), it always pisses me off when ppl claim their experiences are universal or that they will only care about characters who are similar to them as if experiencing the PoVs of other wasn't the point of storytelling.

So the issue is NOT that I think all characters need to be Relatable Everymen. The issue is that Chibnall tried to write one & failed spectacularly.

I wanna argue that the reason for this is that he doesn't know who the audience is, and that he treats the supposed audience with mockery & condescension.... though really, most of all, he's simply out of touch with it. To make an audience surrogate type character & have it land, you need to correctly understand the audience.

Notice what tone is present when something from pop culture is referenced - for example, when Tzim Sha's victim is listening to affirmations on his headphones, its looking to be mocking ppl who do that.

Ryan shows more emotion about things being deleted from his phone than his life being threatened, landing on an alien planet or finding a desolate future earth. "Haha millenials obsessed with phones!" ...who is that joke FOR? What feelings is it likely to evoke towards Ryan?

'Climate Change Bad' is treated like it would be a totally new idea to Yaz & Ryan, who are supposed to be part of a generation that grew up with climate anxiety all their lives as a reason to be cynical

The Doctor needs to lecture them about who Nicola Tesla is, they're treated as having no clue... even though there's, like, a car brand named for him & loads of tumblr posts.

Likewise, Ryan needs to be lectured by everyone about who Rosa Parks was

etc. etc.

The same refrain all over again: Young people are dumb, young people are silly, we wrote these characters as dumb & silly because that's what we think YOU GUYS are like.

Does anybody LIKE being called dumb & silly? Are people likely to like the character used to represent their dumbness & sillyness?

I get the need to maybe exposition things for young viewers, but that can probably be contrived in some way without making the characters you're supposed to like seem dumb. With the Nikola Tesla thing, for example, how about having Graham have no idea who he is? I don't mean make him ignorant, but genuinely interested to learn.

By contrast, let's look at some other 'relatable youngster' characters & how they're treated:

Rose Tyler very much evokes a typical mid 2000s mainstream pop culture, with her bleach blonde hair & bleached flared jeans etc. You can easily imagine that she probably dyed her hair to copy Britney spears, Kylie Minogue or Christina Aguilera, like a lot of girls back then. She effectively winds up in one of the fantasy romance stories that were popular back then. She gets what's kind of a wish fulfillment story of finding out she has the potential to be badass & make a difference after being treated as a fuckup.

Courtney Woods is a rebellious teen considered difficult by her parents/teachers & labelled a 'disruptive influence'. When she introduces herself as such, the Doctor instantly likes her & respects her rebel cred. She is treated as having great intuition & being unintimidated by effective authority figures such as Clara... and that's cool & an opportunity for Clara to learn. Likewise, when he off-handedly says something that hurts her feelings, it is not played as an an 'oversensitive teen' joke but rather Clara makes the Doctor apologize & make it up to her. We are also told that despite struggling with a rigid environment at school, she becomes succesful later in life because of that same strong personality.

Rose Noble is sort of the typical image of gen Y, complete with colorful hair & pronouns. She is really into arts & crafts, makes those 'creepy cute' plushies that she sells online, but in her IRL surroundings she experiences bullying. You can easily imagine her having an AO3 or a crafts-themed tiktok. She is in one of those 'found family wholesome hurt/comfort' stories that are popular nowadays & has the protective mom many teens wish they had.

To summarize:

Their experiences are validated & affirmed, not mocked

pop culture references are used to characterize them & connect them to the audience

From the framing it's clear that we're supposed to like these characters and that they're awesome. That doesn't mean that they don't have flaws or insecurities (indeed those are a big part of what make them relatable) but they're the kind of insecurities someone in their life situation would have. (Rose T. is a tad jealous cause she worries about her love interest finding someone more impressive, Courtney doesn't show insecurity but responds by acting out, but has a thing about being unimportant/not special, Rose N. feels alienated from her peers & out of place)

the stories they get cater to wish fullfillment, which is possible due to knowledge of what these groups of people like

It would have taken a half hour google search for Chibnall to find out what the wishes & dreams of someone like Ryan would look like. IDK, find some blog posts by warehouse workers, ppl with dyspraxia, millenials etc.

One thing that's been pointed out for example is that we never really see WHY Ryan wants to learn to ride a bike. If it's just to please his parental figures, wouldn't a better arc be that they realize he doesn't need to be able to do that just to prove he can and appear "normal", rather than 'look he concentrated & climbed a ladder after all!' Like many actual disabled ppl say they're annoyed about 'shaking off the disability' type stories.

Or, he could relate to getting the chance to adventure as an escape from his lowkey dystopian frustrating life where he deals with many unfair things, or latch onto the Doctor as a mentor after losing his parental figures, or maybe worry that someone who struggles with some physical activities isn't a fit for adventuring but then realize that he can contribute in other ways like asking good questions & thinking. (especially when Yaz is a better fit for the action scenes as someone who presumably had police training)

You could have an interesting unique team dynamic this way:

Yaz could be the competent, badass one, but believing in order & authority tends to just follow/ hero worship the doctor eventually leading into the bit where she develops a crush on her, Graham is the caution/common sense similar to Rory or Donna, maybe looking to protect the younger protags but also gradually having his horizons broadened, and Ryan could get to be the heart & emotional core of the group & the one who questions the Doctor more due to being more jaded from his shitty life while also wanting to escape from it...

Like. If you gave the same list of character traits to a more competent writer, you could've ended up with such complex, dynamic & interesting characters that ppl would have been all over.

[besidesitstoowarm]

"The Voyage of the Damned" thoughts

put this off forever bc i didn't want to see it. in the end it was fine even if i keep mixing the title up with "planet of the dead"

ten slaying in his tux-with-converse look that had the 2007 girlies in a chokehold. troy bolton wears the same thing in high school musical 3 btw. if you even care. he gets interested in the angel statues that to me look like craghas "crabfeeder" drahar from hit hbo drama "house of the dragon". do you think the doctor would support the greens or the blacks

we meet max capricorn who is the most "john waters from wish" looking person i've ever seen. and max capricorn as a name sounds like a discount drag name. i like that everyone is wearing 10s-20s era clothing, the mix of titanic-era set dressing with typical sci-fi machinery actually blends really nicely. the two "low class" contest winners are in cowboy clothing which i also like since a lot of the nouveau riche around the turn of the century were oil millionaires from out west (in america anyway). they seem extremely nice and i would love to hang out at a buffet with them

the doctor flirts with kylie minogue, who actually does a really good job in the role, she's very wide-eyed and charming and the character felt fully realized. doctor who is really good at one-offs. he offers a "brand new sky" and she takes it and off to london where we meet WILFRED MOTT, MY GRANDDAD!!!! i completely forgot he was in this one. i screamed "GRANDDAD" when he appeared and scared my bf

the captain is on a suicide mission and apologizes to alonso. i have never seen alonso's actor in anything but he looks so familiar. the actor is gay btw. i loved the captain's "they promised me old men" speech, he's dying and needed the bribe money to take care of his family once he's gone but he was trying to limit the collateral damage to his crew ASTEROID ATTACK

we learn that the doctor is 903 years old. i think this is the first time his age is stated? nine had the whole "900 years of time and space" but i'd assumed he was just rounding. does he celebrate his birthday? i love the idea that he has no idea how old he is and is just guessing. the second doctor was canonically ~450. anyway they're trying to navigate the ship and the cowboy couple try to repair a broken angel bc they were like mechanics back home. i think it's interesting that in sci-fi, robots are stuff for poor people

cyborgs were recently granted rights and "can even get married" which is nice for them. the doctor says "you should see me in the morning" and astrid says "okay" and he looks like he stuck a fork in a socket. they're both sooo down bad this ep. i'd like to have seen her as a companion for a few episodes, adam-style except adam sucked and astrid is cool

max capricorn is a head in a jar. i'm not kidding that this is the exact same twist as the movie "prometheus" did ridley scott steal that from this episode?? it's the same goddamn thing. that movie was awful. i rejoiced when astrid killed him with a forklift, barbara-style (running over bad guys is always barbara-coded for me). the doctor brings the tour guide professor to london cause he's a millionaire on earth and he just like. cries with joy cause he can have a HOUSE with a DOOR and a GARDEN and DISHES and wow he's just like me fr. he refuses to take him with him cause he "travels alone" tenth doctor voice what kind of time lord takes a companion you can't fuck

this episode was in memory of verity lambert who had recently died when it was released. i had no idea who she was last time i saw this episode so i never noticed that. always famous to me verity <3

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DOCTOR WHO star David Tennant scuppered plans for Harry Potter author JK Rowling to appear on the show.

Writers on the sci-fi series wanted JK to star in a Christmas special.

But Scot Tennant objected to the plot, saying he thought it sounded like a spoof.

And the idea was ditched to "keep him happy".

The JK plan was revealed in a series of recently published emails from Doctor Who writer Russell Davies.

Davies wanted someone who could top Kylie Minogue's appearance on the show last Christmas.

He came up with a plot where Rowling's imagination came alive and the Doctor had to battle through a snow-covered world of wizards and witches.

Davies added: "David doesn't like the JK idea."

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David Tennant prevented JK Rowling appearing on Doctor Who.

Also absolutely laughable to think JK Rowling appearing would ‘top’ Kylie Minogue’s appearance.