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juliapark13 · 2 years ago

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Jungkook is a real person, not a fictional character. Respect him.

Jungkook is one of the kindest, most lovely, talented and humble people in the world. I totally hate that Jungkook’s personality is being so disrespectfully misinterpreted by many of „his own fans”. Meanwhile their interpretation of him is the exact opposite of reality.

Taekookers with totally distorted point of view think Jungkook is a toxic boyfriend and V deserves better. This photos show exposed conversations of Tkkr’s Twitter accounts with nearly 10k followers.

Meanwhile Jungkook is the best boyfriend ever, someone can only dream of. He is that type of boyfriend who

makes a romantic travel vlog as a birthday gift for you

comforts you everytime you need

looks at you like you are his whole world

always turns his whole body and attention to you when you speak

drops everything and comes immediately when you call him you need him

gets up early in the morning and climbs a mountain to bring you snow because he knows you love it

makes you a bigger pancake

asks if he should cut things for you, because he doesn’t want you to get hurt

grills the meat, rolls it up and even feeds you and also blows the soup for you

writes romantic letter and posts thirst trap as a birthday wish for you

remembers even the smallest things about you

his mom says I love you immediately when she hears you

has the initiales of your name on his ring finger

Taekookers always say Bighit force Jungkook and V to hide their relationship and Jungkook and Jimin to do fanservice. It’s the most pathetic and desperate theory which they miserably need to fit their made up narratives.

Meanwhile Jungkook does what he wants, he can’t be controlled and forced to do something he doesn’t want. It’s something obvious, it’s his personality trait and also other members said it many times. Saying he is Bighit’s puppet and actor totally contradict his true character. When he wants to show us something, he shows it.

The biggest example is the hickey on MOTS DVD. Taekookers say the company would never show something like that, but it’s the exact opposite. They are testing their boundaries as a closeted couple and to get our reaction to it. Moreover if Jungkook and Jimin didn’t want it to be shown, it wouldn’t be on DVD. When you have distorted mindset for years, of course you can’t get something so simple and logical.

A lot of people don’t get how smart Jungkook is. They totally underestimate his inteligence and perfectionism. Saying he doesn’t look at the lyrics of songs he use, he didn’t know what kookminaredating meant when he added that account to his In the Seom club, posting at 23:08 is just a coincidence,…

Meanwhile Jungkook is a genius. He knows exactly what he does and he knows exactly how it looks like. He wouldn’t put J over M if it was for his name or for other members. It’s a fact that is very hard to accept. He wouldn’t do GCFT, or at least whole about Jimin and with that song. He wouldn’t suck Jimin’s ear in front of the 60k people. The „bite” wouldn’t be on DVD. They wouldn’t sing But I still want you instead of And I still want you even it was just Jimin’s lyric. All those things are deep and statements. They are both showing us what they are and it’s up to us if we accept that.

Nonshippers and anti shippers always dismiss them and downplay any possibility of them being more than friends. Saying we are delusional and we make them uncomfortable. Meanwhile it’s only them who are uncomfortable because they also see it, but they are ones who can’t accept it. It’s not about us imagining, it’s about us not ingnoring and paying attention.

Jungkook is a f***boy and a player. This is the most disgusting misinterpretation of Jungkook’s personality. Because he has tattoos, piercings and wears black clothes and it’s all you need to label him like that? It’s not funny even if some people write it as a joke.

Meanwhile there is a lot of proof Jungkook is in a long-term commited relationship with 1 person. But people will keep ignoring it.

A lot of misinterpretation of Jungkook’s character comes from the delusion and obsession with something which is not real. Those people are drown in their made up lies and false narratives and they aren’t able to see the truth. Jungkook said he monitors everything online. I only hope he doesn’t see all the trash there. But sadly maybe he does and that’s why he uses social media less and less.

#jikook #kookmin #Jungkook #Jeon Jungkook #Jungkook’s personality is misinterprated #Jungkook does what he wants

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ask-serendipity-sky · 1 year ago

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Did you saw that video ? Not him literally fooling Jimin into believing he's busy af while having time to hangout with his freinds every other day. I didn't knew you will be with your friends every night when MS is approaching instead of being with your so called partner. Remember those times when they used to spend time together every time in their hotel rooms ? Or JK choosing to spend time with Jimin over and over again ? Yeah.. me too..but it's old stories, now JK just want to be as away as possible from JM. Even in latest live he was trying to ran off from Jimin lol. Atp, his friends >>>>>>>Jimin for him. He's out there enjoying with his friends in restaurants while leaving a poor Jimin alone at his home every night and you call it a 'relationship' if your bf act like this irl, you will be very concerned isn't it ?

Also I noted there was a girl sitting right next to him in that video but when she saw cam she walked away seeing we won't see lol. Funny how there was no woman near Jeahyun who was so polite and sounded gentle man in video but always near JK whenever some leaked content is out 👀👀👀

THIS IS THE ONLY ASK I WILL ANSWER ABOUT THIS BECAUSE THEN ILL END UP BLOCKING ALL OF YOU.

And I'm a bad mood so you all are pressing buttons.

Ok, you dont trust Jk. Got it. You think you know what he does every single second of every day so he can't possibly ever see Jimin. You think they never see each other. Jk wants to be as far away from Jimin as possible. Jk spends all his time with his friends.

Did Jk tell you this? Did Jimin tell you this?

How do you know what their schedule looks like?

Seriously, how?

Don't you realize how delusional YOU sound?

Do you think Jimin is a fool? Like is Jk saying he wants to meet up and he is lying publicly and leaves Jimin defenseless all dressed up waiting for Jk and Jk never arrives? So he's being played with?

What k-drama are you watching?

We would see jikook on screen before because the cameras were all up in their space. Now they finally get to breathe without all that and nonshippers are more insecure about jikook than shippers because nonshippers are not getting their content.

Some weird fan tried to set Jk up.

Have you seen the complete video? Look for it..or not? Both girls arrive and make them all uncomfortable. The girl wasn't there with Jk, Eunwoo (who she was actually closer to), or the other guy. They invaded their privacy.

If it wasn't for that invasive girl, you wouldn't have known Jk was eating with his friends...which is a normal thing to do even in a relationship.

Do you want Jimin's privacy invaded that much too? Just so you get jikook crumbs?

It's obvious you don't care about Jimin or Jk so making dramatic stories out of thin air and creating drama between jikook that doesn't exist is a good way to pass time.

If you don't believe they are together, that's fine! Leave the people that do alone.

How many times do I have to say this?

Hope that helps.

IF ANYONE COMES AND SAYS THINGS THAT DONT MAKE SENSE LIKE THESE, YOU WILL GET BLOCKED.

YOU DONT KNOW WHAT THEY DO 24/7. STOP BEING SO DRAMATIC AND ACTING LIKE YOU DO.

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jikookuntold · 2 years ago

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Since it got so long, I had to write the rest in part two.

Taekookers say the company couldn't pair taekook together before because of jikookers?! Are they for real?! Jikook is barely the third most popular ship in bangtan. The vast majority of shippers and nonshippers don't even like jikook, most of them hate seeing jikook together. Just look at the Twitter trends. The only time their trending surpassed 300k tweets, was after the black swan masterpiece. Meanwhile, taekook has reached 1M just for sitting next to each other and making paper carnations. Do we do the math here or just talk nonsense? Girl, Bighit knows it all, and they always wanted to pair taekook together, also jikookers still exist, nothing has changed.

The only reason they couldn't pair taekook together is Jungkook. He was the one refusing it the whole time. There was some insider information back in 2019 and 2020 saying that taekook can't get along and have the worst relationship in the group. Of course, bighit was not supposed to tell you about that. They have made this ot7 bond agenda for years, and they won’t let anyone ruin it. Don't get me wrong, they all have great but different personalities, and some duos get along better than others. So taekook had to pretend they are fine on camera, still, there were so many moments exposing their awkwardness. No, I'm not talking about stupid body language analysis, I'm talking about "you always ignore me so I didn't notice", "I miss the old days", "I think Jungkookie doesn't let Jimin come" and many other examples.

No, empty flirts and stage fanservice are part of their job, and it doesn't prove their closeness. Of course, they weren't like this before. They admitted that they were close in their debut years, but many different things including growing up separately, lead them to the point that they refused to work together as a unit no matter how much bighit insisted. Of course, Bighit didn't come up and say "yeah guys, we tried to pair taekook for this thing, but jk doesn't want it." What did they do instead? They planned that famous ITS moment. I also agree it wasn't 100% improvised, nothing on cam is 100% genuine, there are always scripts, but scripts have a point, and this script was to understand what was the issue between taekook, and with this act, they put jk in a situation where he couldn't say no anymore.

Taekook's mother's day Vlive in 2020 was so awkward that the company decided to take action, and they filmed ITS that month. But the first phase of the plan didn't work well, as jk said himself, there were still things unresolved between them, and jk reflected it in his behavior. The gimbap chefs Vlive with Jikook was only a few weeks after ITS, and jk emphasized how he had a great time doing that vlive, while after TK vlive he came to weverse to say he felt awkward, and no, it was a week BEFORE his Itaewon scandal. He had no reason to feel awkward unless it was his companion. I'm not hating any of them or their friendship, I'm saying this again, people have different personalities, and when two people don't get along it doesn't mean that one of them is a bad person. Their personalities just don't match. I'm sure they want the best for each other, but we need to accept and face the truth.

Wonder why bh was so eager to resolve TK issues and give taekookers what they want. Was it for something other than the money and the constant demand coming from taekookers?

🤷‍♀️

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edalynn · 2 years ago

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i just want the show to finish airing already man. i am tired of people calling hunter and/or willow straight on tiktok and erasing lgbt identities. i am tired of the harassment i see people get for literally anything. this fandom used to be so fun but now it feels like you’re on landmines of being harassed or accused of the most horrendous shit if you just. aren’t in the echo chamber. i loved this show and now i’m just tired and frustrated thinking about it. i want people to move on and stop.

YEAH i'm kinda in the same boat rn. Like I just want it to end, but TOH is too ingrained in my identity at this point to actually end up disliking it, which makes the whole hunt/low bs even harder. Tiktok was a mistake. The lowest point in human history. I will say it's never been said, but it is clear through visuals and implications that Hunter is bi. Also I said he was bi a year and a half ago and I am always right, so clearly /j. I'm just. So fucking sick and tired of straight people. This show isn't for you. Like please, enjoy it, watch it, give it views, but also know your fucking place and when to sit down and shut the fuck up. But when have straights ever known that. Willow at least has never had anything said about her sexuality other than her only being shown blushing at girls in S1, which would imply imo that no matter what she's not straight. But again, she's never been said to be either straight or queer or really actually have any interest in anyone romantically in general (aroace Willow please, thanks). I really am sick of seeing my friends be harrassed for disliking h/l and I'm tired of seeing h/ls say with total confidence that their ship is canon when it's not. But I'm really, really sick of seeing h/ls going fucking rabid on nonshippers, claiming any type of "x"-phobic they can to "prove" you're some type of bigot by not shipping them. They biphobic asks I got were kina funny at first because they were just so batshit off the wall and insane to me, but I keep getting them saying the same thing over and over and it's like. You can just stop. You can just drop it. You're making yourself and every other person that ships hunt/low looks stupid (not hard to do) and you're devaluing the actual problem of biphobia by crying wolf just because someone doesn't like your awful ship. I'm sick of it. I'm sick of seeing huntlow and im sick of the fucking shippers being such fucking aggressors

#taako talks #toh #the owl house #asks #anons #huntl0w negative

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alottamoney · 6 months ago

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https://www.tumblr.com/alottamoney/751829609076654080/anon-did-you-forget-taes-live-at-3-am-playing?

Since people won't let it be, why not do something new or interesting with these theories? I always notice that shippers and nonshippers ignore one aspect completely to prove their point like anon's example of the 3am live. What about other things that happened around it though? JK's apartment video incident is said to have happened in Feb and taennie walk in May and if we believe the reports they broke up shortly before Tae's enlistment. I'm not trying to attack anon and sure taennie could be only PR and we don't know much about the apartment incident but let's take the most plausible explanation of it being romantic, where do you place this more than friends relationship of taekook's in your timeline? I'm not ruling out the possibility but I think if taekook is indeed romantic, it is very messy and not something to root for because it seems like it's hurting the people involved in addition to all the other practical disadvantages. I understand staying for the drama but taekookers seem averse to it and put taekook's relationship on a pedestal. Anon do you honestly consider all this or do you ignore the things that don't make sense? It's fine if you do. I'm genuinely trying to understand the taekooker thought process. I would ask nonshippers the same but I don't think they're that invested.

That is an interesting question. If anon wants to answer... I'd add Jikook to the mix too. Even if you don't believe Jikook is real, I assume it's something that would affect a real in-band relationship.

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sneezemonster15 · 2 years ago

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I agree that SNS has some moments that can easily be interpreted as romantic, but I disagree that anyone who sees them as platonic "sucks at understanding media". Sounds bit condescending to me

Strong emotional bond doesn't necessarily mean romantic bond. I believe it's up for interpretation since nature of their relationship is left ambiguous at best. I'm neutral to SNS, but to me it seems some shippers become too overwhelmed by their love for ship and interpret every moment between Naruto and Sasuke as romantic.

Plus how do we know Kishimoto ever intended sns to be romantic/canon? He never said so in interviews. So for same reasons anti sns stans can't claim he never wanted them to be seem as romantic, sns stans cant claim he intended for them to be romantic. He's an author, he has no power over his fandom will interpret his work.

Sorry if this sounded bit mean, it wasn't my intention. I'm just tired of shippers calling nonshippers blind for not interpreting their relationship as romantic

Heh.

People who think they are brothers or their relationship is platonic DO suck at interpreting media. No their relationship is not up for subjective interpretation since they both say it explicitly that they don't think of each other as brothers. Plus a thousand other things. If you ignore clear and ubiquitous text, subtext and visual imagery that gel with everything else in the story, the narrative, visual language, overarching themes etc, your skills at interpreting media look juvenile at best.

Sasuke and Naruto don't just share a strong emotional bond, the author does his Best to impress upon the very romantic nature of their relationship on the audience. It is NOT open to subjective interpretation.

Would you watch 'Triumph of Will' (it's a Nazi propaganda movie, check it out) and say it's pro Jews because your subjective interpretation says so? Would it be the right thing to do? If you do say that, you are essentially doing the same thing here. You are ignoring text, subtext and visual language to satisfy your own headcanon. But do you see how harmful it is? Is going against author's intent by the way of 'subjective interpretation' really the way to understand media? Was that why it was made? Is that what should be your takeaway? Who cares what the creator meant? You are going to just do your own thang? Fuck the narrative, visual language, major themes and characterization? Who cares how much work the creator put in his story, you are going to dismiss all that just because?

And no, their relationship is not left ambiguous at best. Just depends on how much you understand media and human condition and emotions. Given Kishi's limitations, since he was writing shounen, he had to make sure that he would be able to tell his story even if he couldn't be explicit about it. So he used all the romantic tropes and picked up all the best romantic elements from the best literature and media available to him and got to work. I can't speak for others but I am quite experienced to know what I am looking at when I am looking at it. I have the knowledge that makes me sure of my stance and I am not gonna apologize for it. So I don't need him to be explicit. Not everything needs to be said out loud in exact words, this isn't some PG 13 American movie.

Naruto is also not some experimental film. Try and understand how genres work. Like any other shounen manga, it's supposed to be expositional. It's supposed to cater to kids, it is supposed to be pedagogic. It is supposed to instill a certain value system in its audience, it's supposed to inspire and teach and guide. It is not open to subjective interpretation, everything (the major themes, the values, virtues, vices, the takeaway etc) is made quite clear. If you are actually paying attention. Yes, Kishi was not as explicit with SNS as other themes, but he had a reason. What reason? Shounen guidelines about portrayal of homosexuality. But does he need to be explicit? Given Naruto and Shippuden are love stories? Nope. Kishi does an extremely good job of telling this story with the narrative tools he has learnt and mastered as a professional. If you can deconstruct it, like I do on my blog, you will have no problem believing they are lovers. There is no doubt they are lovers.

Yes, their relationship does overwhelm me. Because Kishi designed it that way and it worked because he has a good grasp on child psychology and he obviously takes advantage of that. Which is why he was able to write such amazing and complex and realistic and relatable characters. Are these moments romantic? Totes. A lot of them are. They just are. I am not going to go in detail about that for this ask, just go through my blog.

The reason I am this adamant talking about them not being brothers is because essentially, it's a homophobic stance. It is. A lot of homosexual narratives the world over get reduced, appropriated and trivialized to brotherhood and friendship because of how much taboo and lack of awareness surround the topic of homosexuality. Especially in conservative societies. Which is harmful to homosexuality and gay people. I will NOT push any stance that encourages that.

If the writer has made things clear for me, and they are clear to me because I just know better (I don't care if you think of me as condescending), then I will say it out loud with utmost confidence.

Dude, why do you think post Shippuden has such a Brokeback mountain vibe huh? Why are Sasuke and Naruto so damn disinterested in the women they got married to, mothers of their kids who happen to be the main characters of Boruto? Why does Sasuke treat Sakura as if she has the plague? Why is he so disinterested in his family? Why does Naruto not go home and stay in the office at all hours? This boy who wanted a family with such passion? Hmm? These two boys for whom family was the prime motivating factor are now, at the end, so isolated from their families? Kishi had provided such consistent layering throughout. How do you compute that? Why would it be necessary if Sasuke and Naruto were just brothers or friends? Why? Because they aren't friends. They are only happy when they are with each other, these husks of their former selves brighten up like they used to before only when they are with each other. Why? Because they are friends? Brothers? Fuck off. Lol. This is a very common trope on gay media, I request people again and again to watch it but no. They have to spout bullshit without any knowledge because it's easier. Well my blog ain't insta. If you are coming here, think twice before bringing your arguments.

I have mentioned before that I work in the field of media and communication. I work in a leadership capacity. I am also a cinephile. My analysis is based on reason and the actual process of storytelling. I am very very assured of my takes. And I know sometimes it makes me sound condescending. But in reality, I am just very clear, my personality might come off as a bit rough, but I try not to be too rough. I can't help it if it makes me sound arrogant. I won't deny for a minute I am emotionally attached to this story. But my analyses are always based on clear reason and logic.

I live in a patriarchal society and I know what harmful narratives do to people. Ruins their lives. Women have to be a certain way, men have to be a certain way. Women (they are supposed to be beautiful and delicate and feminine and polite and submissive, no?) spend hours and painful hours trying to look beautiful and skinny and desirable. Men try their best to look cool and masculine and capable, (Real men don't cry, right?) when they aren't feeling it in the least. Men are supposed to love and marry women and women are supposed to love and marry men. Married couples need to conceive a child in the first three years of marriage. Old people are always supposed to be respected and honoured no matter how shitty and inhuman they are. Kids are supposed to be seen, not heard. Etc etc etc.

I have seen so many lives go to waste because of these narratives that are so deeply embedded in the fabric of society, no one questions it, or very few do. We don't wanna mess with something that has been going on for centuries, we grew up with it, it's our comfort zone. A lot of women end up perpetuating the same patriarchal values through other women that made them powerless and agencyless in the past. Because no one wants to fight the popular narrative. Half the time, they don't even realize they are encouraging these narratives by not calling them out. They do it because that's how it's done, so it must be right. I am sure a lot of westerners also understand this issue. Not as black and white, is it? Layers upon layers. So better just sit down and learn. Deconstruct. Peel those layers and see what concepts are harmful and need to be gotten rid of.

Just look at Hinata stans. Their main flex is that Hinata is pretty and rich and fertile and has a superior bloodline. And so many girls and women worship her because of this. Do you really want this narrative to continue? Is it really good for women?

He is an author, he has no power over how his work will be interpreted? Seriously, this is your argument? Wow.

Except he DOES. He is a master actually. I can't go on about how stories are written because I am tired but let me say this, visual language and narrative building inherently depends upon psychology and perception. The stories are created to affect the audience a certain way, the creator controls all, he knows what buttons to push and how to push them. They know what they want the audience to feel, and so they go for it. That is why we have genres such as drama, comedy, horror etc. Because the creator knows that, that's what he wants to portray. You think Hitchcock went like - Damn, people were supposed to laugh at the shower scene in Psycho but instead they are afraid to go in their shower stalls??

Lol.

No. He intentionally designed it that way, so that that scene can create unholy terror in the minds of the audience. Btw, he used chocolate syrup to have effect of blood, just a random tidbit.

And yes, it's true that when Psycho was released and watched by people, they were scared shitless to go to their own bathrooms, especially women. You think that kind of visceral reaction comes out of oblivion? No. It's deliberately planned and executed to affect the viewer a certain way, as intended by the maker. If you actually pay attention and not daydream about your headcanons, you will easily get it. No desperate text and subtext bending required. It's clear as water already. Just use your head.

Lastly, Kishi doesn't need to say it in his interviews. What a pointless argument. I didn't watch Naruto for the interviews, I watched it and later read it for the story and characters. He wanted to tell me this story through his manga and I got it. Message received. I don't need to see his interviews to get the story. What, you read all the creators' interviews to grasp the meaning of their creations? Who says you have to? The story is supposed to be self-contained, that's how it's written. And this story is. I don't need any outside material to understand the story. And frankly the relevant outside material that I did find about Naruto, only strengthens SNS, heh. If 700 fucking chapters weren't enough for you to get the meaning of this story, no interview is going to help you, lol. Any person with average intelligence knows this. I don't know why Naruto fandom needs to be told this over and over. You aren't five. Grow up.

I don't mean to sound too harsh. But I have answered so many asks like this, it just gets annoying when people give the same non sensical, non-arguments to prove their point.

#i am so tired #naruto fandom is a drain #ask #naruto #sns #sasuke #sasunaru #narusasu #uzumaki naruto #uchiha sasuke #naruto analysis

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stormblessed95 · 3 years ago

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Hey there! So I kinda found jikook this year, and apparently there used to be a ton of Jikook yt creators, but a lot of them have just disappeared this year? Lol sucks for me cause I missed out on all the content. Do you have any idea why? While you’re at it, would you mind telling me some of your fav jkk blogs/yt channels :))

Have a nice day btw :D

Hello! I do not know why people stop making videos or blogging. For some, I'm sure it's because this is simply very time consuming and they just don't feel the need or want to do it anymore. Some im sure get bullied off by nonshippers/tkkrs and just don't feel like dealing with those comments anymore. Some maybe leave the fandom for whichever reason. Who knows!

I've answered this before, so I'm going to answer it here all together and then add it to my masterlist finally 😂 Blog following tends to vary ALOT by personal taste. I don't tend to follow too many, but the ones I think are enjoyable for everyone would be these 4...

I follow 2 K-ARMY kookmin blogs, which are @dalloga and @leminione9795 whenever they post, I learn a lot. They give out lots of information about the Korean language and culture. They add a lot of context to particular moments that international fans wouldn't know otherwise.

I also follow and like to recommend @wingzie and @jkjms who are wonderful blogs that are just beautiful archives of Kookmin moments. They share tons of contents in forms of gifs or videos. They also both, I swear, have seen everything ever, and are amazing at finding original content from whatever clip you send them. Also both are super sweet humans.

As for on YouTube, be wary of shipping videos on there. A LOT of them are super cringey and taken out of context. Lol the channels I do like are WonSummerNight, who mostly just does super wholesome and cute edits and compilations of moments. Another is LiveWhatYouLove, which is a channel who does basically just videos of their moments. She takes moments from all recent content and puts them into a video, usually like once a week. It's basically no analysis or anything, just simply moments they interact together in one place. She also has an ongoing series of their "love story" which is all their moments in order through the years. She started her series in 2015 and is almost finished with 2019. Another that I love is Best of Jikook, which is just essentially compilation videos of super cute moments. Such as the best of jikook at award shows.... etc. Very well done.

I like these channels because they don't seem to go over the top, nor do they make things up, they all work off original content and back their claims up. We can disagree on the how and why's and what we think happened or not and it still be okay. I can still enjoy and appreciate their content for the most part.

Hope this helped!!

#jikook #kookmin #jikook content recommendations #kookmin blogs

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nightswithkookmin · 3 years ago

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Ask Response. Sorta

"don't you think it's so sad that jikookers are saying jikook now have to hide and cheat and lie and pretend and go all the trouble to get into different cars, take a helicopter, wear a mask, act like james bond to hide the fact that they're together?"

"Like, do they really think any of that is better than just accepting they're not living together anymore? "

Did you take the truth serum I left on the counter by any chance????

Goddamn girl.

I don't know what's happening or why you are saying this but I feel caught between two sides of the argument you've presented. Two extreme opposite sides I don't agree or disagree with.

But first, allow me to address something that bugs me about your comment. Because I can detect a hint of several things that don't sit well within my soul, condescension being on top of the list. It's in your tone somewhere.

It's there. I can can feel it. Can't let it slide.

I don't know why you and certain jokers in general find the concept of hiding a relationship ridiculous. Is it so so ridiculous? Especially when you yourself say you are a closeted queer woman/man and think that Jikook are closested gay men...

I love you and I love your thoughts but sometimes I just wanna shake you up like

People swear up and down Jikook are closeted gay men doing the gawk gawk 9000 but are they out?? Are they out???

Did they tell you they are out???

And if they are not out then what do you think their doing or what do you think being closeted for them looks like??

What, you've not gone to lengths to hide that you are gay before??? You've not had a boyfriend or even agreed to go on dates with men occasionally to convince your strict Christian Aunty you are not gay before??

You've not lied about having vaginal warts and infections to prevent your 'boyfriend' from sleeping with you before?

You've not booked two separate hotel rooms and snuck into your sister's bestfriend's room at night to get slurped up before?

You've not saved your girlfriend's number Max a jerk to throw ppl off yo scent before??

Please we all lie. If Jikook are lying- all men do is lie. Nothing new there.

Just check tinder.

I think if these jokers hadn't inflated their egos and acted like they were a better superior species than Tuktukkers and other shippers because of their 'my ship don't have to hide' complex and hadn't totally demonized and ridiculed the concept of closets as pertains to queer relationships then they wouldn't be making an ass of themselves with this 360 turn around now that they are being forced to confront that Jikook might really be hiding their relationship.

I don't know why people clutch their pearls and make a big deal of this whole 'jikook are hiding' stuff. Like they are gay. They are supposed to be hiding💀💀💀

For heavens sakes, it's right there in your video edits: Jimin HIDING in JK's hotel room vol 786. The saga continues- good title by the way, if any one wants to use it. *wink. Lol.

Y'all don't see the irony in this??

When you live in a glass house, just don't throw stones sis. We are all in the same boat. We are shippers💀💀💀

Jokers want to distinguish themselves from Tuktukkers so bad they don't realize they are past the point of logic well into befoolery and making an ass of themselves everyday.

Worse they've become the most homophobic shippers I've ever come across in any fandom and I've been in quite a few. Cough cough.

They disguise bigotry as wokeness, homophobia as respect for others- I respect you so much now can you tuck your gayness in the closet where no one can see cos it makes sense and I care for your safety. No really stay in the closet and don't say you are gay or else I whistle to my friends and we will bully you off the internet. Hashtag Jikook supporter hashtag Jikook lives🤭

Jikook aren't out ergo they are hiding. it's not that deep. Maybe one day that will dawn on people and when they stand infront of the mirror, they will realize the trauma they put actual real gay people through by invalidating our lived experiences because it is incompatible with their sense of logic and outrightly downplaying the struggles we deal with being who we are just so nonshippers can applaud them and call them decent shippers when in reality there is no ethical shipping under shipping.

If you don't think the boys are actually gay but uWu when they grope each other and enact homoerotic fanservices then you are aiding them in queerbaiting and appropriating queer culture and even worse fetishizing queer people yourself in the name of entertainment.

Let's not take a saw to the branch we are perched on because we are all going down when the ship sinks💀

Jikook are not hiding that they have a relationship- nor should they- as they can and do play part of their relationship out openly by virtue of the fact they are coworkers and are expected to relate and even sometimes be homoerotic and intimate with eachother. We've gone over this several times sis.

They are definitely hiding aspects of their relationship including but not limited to their sexuality if they are indeed LGBTQ and dating.

I can understand those who theorize to this effect. I really can, even with the Tuktukkers. I don't agree with them but a lot of the time I see where they are coming from. Theories such as these are not rooted in heterosexual relationship politics. They are rooted in homosexual behavioral and relationship politics. There is a lot of hiding in gay ships more so than in straight ships due to the closet factor.

It's absurd and delusional to think two gay people who aren't out of the closet aren't hiding their relationship. It's absurd to think two gay celebrities who aren't out of the closet aren't hiding their relationship. Especially two gay idols in Kpop.

If someone were to tell you Kai and Jennie were hiding their relationship or Brad and Angie were hiding their relationships would that sound ridiculous to you??? If they told you, these celebrities in public pretend they don't know eachother, take separate cars to get to the same destination, wait five minutes after one has left the apartment before heading out themselves etc would you find that ridiculous???

I struggle to understand these cynicisms upo have I do.

They Lie and cheat- now ma'am, I know you are not throwing them shades cos if you are then me and you gonna have a problem😫

I really don't know what you mean by this but for someone who carries religious trauma and gets told this every time I come out to person's close to me I find that triggering af. My eye's twitching and errthang.

Not only am I told I'm going to hell for being gay, now I have to go to hell for lying and keeping the fact I'm gay a secret.

Either way, it's hell jail for me.

It's mental torture every single day.

If you've never been closeted and haven't beaten yourself up mentally for hiding and lying about who you are on a daily basis to the people you love out of fear for your life then good for you. Really, good for you. You're privileged. I can't relate.

Truth is, there is a dark side to all of this and it's not all bed of Roses being a closeted queer person.

If Jikook are really gay then yes they are 'cheating and lying' and not being honest about who they really because of their environment and if that makes you uncomfortable to hear and acknowledge them sue them and cry them a river. Or put your energy to good use and fix the system so some of us don't feel compelled to lie and hide who we really are.

There are idols being made to lie consistently about who they are in relationships and what they're sexuality status is. And the few who've come out have done so because they don't want to hide no more and were tired of hiding.

We've seen companies lie on their talents and coerce the idols to say and do certain things to hide stuff. It happens all the time.

"Most of my friends in Korea told me it was social suicide," MRSHLL shares with Billboard during an interview at a coffee shop in Gangnam. "I knew it wasn't going to be easy and I understood the risks going into it, but I just wanted to be authentic and be open from the get-go."While Bang was never secretive about his sexuality, he says he didn’t broadcast it either. "People just presumed that I was gay. It was kind of understood, I guess, for the things I would say, and it never really came up so I remained silent. And for the most part, I didn't say anything, because I didn’t really think it was in their vocabulary to really understand what it means [to be gay]. I know [Korea] is a lot more progressive than what it used to be, but there are still a lot of misconceptions about the LGBT community here."

Jikook are not above this struggle as privileged as they are. They can make a dent and push the boundaries but that doesn't erase the struggle.

The fandom made a big deal over Jungkook not covering his tattoos at UN and praised him for being honest and unapologetic about who he is all the while forgetting when he returns to Korea his tattoos are gonna be blurred out and covered with make up or digitally removed in certain contents and when that happens it's not because he is scared to be himself...

We praise Jungkook and Jimin for being bold and shameless and unapologetic sometimes when they interact with eachother without fear or regard for the cameras and we want that for them but we forget they are actually closeted gay men- if our theories about them is true- and that being closeted equally requires them to go out of their way to remain hidden whether as a general company policy that forbids artists to keep their relationships out of public consciousness or by their own volition by choosing not to broadcast, confirm or deny and letting presumptions about them run loose.

"I can't even imagine how I would have done it without my label," he says. "My sexuality was never an issue with them and it never came up. I was never forced or told to 'tone down,' or asked not to say something, and that means everything.”

The fact that he says he feels grateful to his label because he wasn't asked to and forced to "TONE DOWN" or "CENSOR HIS SPEECH" should tell you that other labels do in fact ask their artists to TONE DOWN, Censor their speech, take a car, not take a car etc and yet I recall you saying my claims of BigHit toning Jikook down was absurd and the most ridiculous thing you ever heard.

If Jikook are LGBTQ and not out then hiding would be part of their narrative unfortunately and it's ok to acknowledge that even if you fear that makes you come off as tuktukrish. They may be nut cases but a lot of them are just a bunch of closeted queer teens projecting onto their biases and I actually feel sorry for them as I often find myself doing same with Jikook.

Not acknowledging these struggles queer idols face and queer people face in general on a daily invalidates the lived experience of these people.

That also don't mean that hiding is all that there is to their relationship narrative because that takes away their agency and disregards the fact they are privileged than most given their wealth and their line of work, their cultural setting and their job requirements.

I feel there's never a right balance in the way their dynamic is perceived in the fandom.

Some jokers think they are being woke with these faux logics and syllogisms when they sneer at certain gay theories in the fandom in attempts to distinguish themselves from Tuktukkers but really all you do is come across as antigay and ignorant.

There. I said my peace.

Go ahead and drag me I ruv woo too🤣

PART B

JIKOOK NOT LIVING TOGETHER

Lemme ask you? Why do you believe they don't live together anymore??🤔

Is it because they don't share rides no more??

Lemme rephrase that. is it because we don't see them sharing rides anymore??? And at the airport when they went in separate cars and in different directions???

Honestly speaking, I haven't read too too much into them sharing rides more so than I do with the things they say that hints at their living situation: Jimin saying he loves to wake up next to Jungkook, describing how Jk snores to the members while they all listen keenly as if they've never shared a room with Kook too, saying he was with Kook at 4am caressing a phone in his hands and all those other moments.

I've gotten dragged by my edges for saying this in the past but I'll say it again, a lot points to or pointed to them cohabiting. Especially since Jimin didn't have his own habitable space in his name when everyone else had. They do live together.

BUT NOT ALL THE TIME.

OBVIOUSLY.

There literally are times they aren't even physically in the same geographical location. Should I weep then and yell Jikook don't live together no more? Isn't that bizarre??

I've not always been under the impression they lived together all the time, all year round- more so like yes they do share a living space from time to time and Jimin does sleep over at Kook's from time to time and more than occasionally too.

Do I think that has changed? HELL NO.

Contrary to what you've said in the past, I'm not one to overly romanticize them you know? I love them and I love their bond and bromance or whatever gay shit they have going on and sometimes it does cloud my better judgment- which is besides the point😭😭😭💀

My friend, she's a hopeless Romantic right and she made a big deal out of Jikook sharing cars and what not because it meant they lived together🙄

So I asked her... but they've always lived together. What makes this any special💀

From day one they've lived together. They hang out in hotels, dorms, cars, practice rooms- they are boyfriends. If one of them gets a place of their own of course the other will invite himself in. Is that a big deal?

She's like yeah but that is a huge step in a relationship if two people progress in their relationship in that way.

I guess.... that was my response.

That still is my response when I see people fighting over the internet about this car sharing thingy. Jungkook is not the only member Jimin stays with- now he has his own place so he must be living by himself. But historically, JK is not the only one he's stayed with.

I mean, I've joked one or two times about Jimin locking Kook out of his own house or even choosing to stay with friends for a while during arguments. Don't that presuppose I believe their living arrangement is situational?

If you watch Run episodes or the behind scenes you would know there are instances where they each arrive on set separately which seem to imply they arrive to set from different locations. Why come to set at different times if y'all are coming from the same place and share the same car??

Then sometimes the things the members would say would raise questions, like Taehyung saying he asked Jimin to come over on JK's birthday or Jin asking to wait for Jimin at the dorms after schedule on his birthday when Jimin was riding with Kook.

Of course Jimin told him he couldn't make it which implied to me he and Jin go home together sometimes too- either cos he lives around Jin's house or sleeps on Jin's couch. (Humor intended somewhere😅)

This of course is corroborated by moments he's shared videos of himself with Jin riding home together after work- having a sing song along the way etc.

And if you backtrack you'd notice its something that had been going on since his birthday in October. Because during the concert we saw them sharing a ride but in subsequent Run they were coming to set at different times and somewhere in December is when he'd told Jin he wouldn't be able to make it back to the dorm- someone did the walk of shame the next day I just know it🤭

Hoes everywhere 🤭

Good for him😊

But is that cause for alarm?? I don't know. Speculate away but I'm just observing things within the timeline- I'll share my findings when I've gathered enough information😊

Personally, I wouldn't make much of it as it's always been like that even before October. There are moments you see them consistently sharing rides and some moments they are not. Why? I don't know. Could be family visiting one of them, a fight, where need of personal space, literally a myriad of things. They are adults not kids anymore.

They share rides sometimes because it's convenient- whether because it takes them to the same vicinity or schedule. If it's not convenient for them to share a ride- either because they have different schedules or aren't going to the same vicinity- then what's the big deal?

When you say Jikook are not living together, I hope it's not to insinuate they are broken up or anything like that??

Other than that, I think the logic is simple, if you think they live together because they share a car then certainly now that they are not sharing are car then they don't live together. It's as simple as that.

Do you see the flaw in that argument??

I think for some of us, saying they live together is because of more than the mere riding a car together and more so about the things they say about eachother together with that carpooling situation. For instance, thanks to Jimin we know Namjoon has his own home and don't live with the others. If he shared a car with Suga it wouldn't mean he lived with Suga.

It's the same with Jikook.

Like I said, Jungkook is the one with the place. What if his family comes to visit and having Jimin there is inconvenient?? What if his friends come to visit? Or he just needs his space?? What happens to Jimin if they live together? Does he hide in the broom closet then??

We just learned he gifted his house in Seoul to his brother- what happens to Jimin then?

Did they break up and he got rid of the home and Jimin got himself a new apartment??

Is that what's on your mind?

I don't like that theory cos it's wack.

Really when it comes to these two, understand they are real, it's their relationship and no opinion can invalidate that. We can sit here and theorize all day about them but if they are doing the gay they are doing the gay no matter what we say.

Whether you think they live together or don't live together won't change the fact they are carrying out a relationship. When in a few days, weeks, months, bangtan releases content of them sharing a ride again, or if they accidentally let slip something about their living conditions then what???Are you going to eat your words?

I won't be surprised if Jungkook goes over with his mattress to wherever Jimin stays at night and perches with him sometimes too😂💀

From the way Jin asked if he should wait for him at the dorm, it seems Jin wasn't expecting Jimin to stay with Jungkook that dawn after schedule. Isn't it odd to have that expectation of someone who has a home and lives with his man in it????

One thing I know for sure, Jimin stayed with Jungkook that dawn and on the day of Jungkook's birthday when Tae had asked him to come over.

Make of it what you will.

To me, they do stay together most of the time but not always and it's really not a big deal.

As for BigHit hiding Jikook because they are not riding a car together... tag me in the post I'd love to read it🤣

Let me run for cover😂

GOLDY

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spnsmile · 4 years ago

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Hi ! I'm pretty new to this fandom so it's possible I've missed a lot of things Jensen has said about Destiel and I don't know what it was like to have that denial over the years, but could it be that he was never against the idea and just didn't want to give us unnecessary hope? I'm thinking especially of the time he went into the writers room for the Fanfiction episode, could that have been to ask "why are you acknowledging this if not to make it true afterwards?"

So hi! First off welcome to the chaotic family, I hope you are enjoying yourself with all the weird post-spn stuff! It's crazy but it's fun!

To the best of my assumption, the straight answer to your inquiry is no, Jensen really never believed it until 15x18, and that Misha is every bit responsible for this "momentous event".

Undercut are GIF and links from con as evidences.

P. Sif you are a wince* fan and tripping with me well, it's still a win you'll see.

I have to make a disclaimer that in no way anyone should take my word for it. Parasocializing is not uncommon. At best it is considered healthy but it doesn't fill the gap of what is real; evidences help to make assumptions but they can be overwhelming, even blinding.

Fair warning this isn't a happy place for Destiel folks (even I was affected again)

1. I've missed a lot of things Jensen has said about Destiel and I don't know what it was like to have that denial over the years, but could it be that he was never against the idea and just didn't want to give us unnecessary hope?

Nope. Zero hope here. Doesn't exist in his mind (and not on the scripts) 2017 Panel

No hope for gay, Dean is straight, end of discussion (no more talk about being homophobic, the guy killed it on cowboy butt) BUT this is about a character he really always thought as straight (possibly because the script has Dean try a family with Lisa and Ben) Bi Dean? Totally killed it too. He wasn't denying. It doesn't exist way back back and he wasn't kind about it.

2. I'm thinking especially of the time he went into the writers room for the Fanfiction episode, could that have been to ask "why are you acknowledging this if not to make it true afterwards?".

Still zero even after 200th episode (Panel 2015)

I remember that. He wants to understand why the writers were doing it (they said it was a thank you to the fans but I'll be) The writers didn't have to face a large convention audience and if you ask me the script for 200 was mehh (mine). This "acknowledgement" was sure to backfire and he was right as Destiel/Casdean/Samstiel exised there.

Poor guy didn't know how to deal with our passion ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (panel 2014) (and no Misha! (indignant))

Kindred spirit he said (x) that's still deep

Still adamant of its existence since no foolproof word on the script (panel 2019)

It was hard to be a destiel fan without getting swept under the carpet like we're some sort of disease. Destiel was always flagged by nonshippers, imagine? But its not like one too many comment from Jackles can stop people's creativity 🙌

Overall, from 2008 to 2019, Jackles was half hearted about Destiel and without intervention, he could've really frustrated the fans further. So what happened that made him "tread lightly with our feels"*

Dmitri: I'll have words with Jensen later

Misha Collins was a powerful force for Destiel. Believe it or not, we owe it all to him. How do you combine being intelligent and considerate, Mish?

Note also Misha said they had to ask for Jensen's permission on 15x18 confession (out of respect andJackles gave the go signal) End result? Jackles overly excited for the hand print and many other Destiel stuff in secret which you already saw here too (he knows)

in conclusion, however it made Jensen feel, Misha was there to keep him objective in the end (which mustve been both a funny and excruciating experience for the two and also, well... Who really knows?)

#anon san #the real question #the real jackles #no one will ever know #except dmitri #cockles

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lest-we-be-liars · 4 years ago

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*SPOILERS*

*Spn 15x18 SPOILERS *

NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT THIS AND WE ALL NEED TO BE!!!!

YES, I KNOW! SOME OF US ARE STILL FREAKING OUT ABOUT "THAT" SCENE!

YES, I KNOW SOME OF US ARE JOYUS, WHILE OTHERS ARE SCREAMING HOMOPHOBIC AND SOME ARE JUST PLAIN SOUR!

Yes, I know that episode gave us, shippers and nonshippers alike, ALOT to process!

This moment, right here, IS SO IMPORTANT!!!! For ALL of us!

Let's break down why:

OBVIOUSLY the empty is PISSED

Death broke her deal

Death tried to kill the empty using Jack as a bomb

The empty likes peace and quiet (that's why it wanted Castiel in the first place) and a big explosion just disrupted that.

But the empty doesn't cry

They empty is unhinged, but not completely unstable

The way it said these words ...YOU MADE IT LOUD! .....

Guys....

GUYS!!!!!

Do we think, that maybe...just maybe that explosion, that should have killed jack, that should have killed the empty, ACCIDENTALLY WOKE EVERYTHING ELSE UP?!?!?!

Here me out,

They said Lucifer is coming back.

They had a big event planned before everything shut down with a bunch of returning actors.

This was it!

Jack is the only thing that can wake up things from the empty (excluding the Lillith plothole).

I firmly believe that Jack just woke everything up!

I also believe that some meta writers may have had it backwards when they said Jack would be the new God. I think he is actually they new death

(Excuse the terrible GIF quality but he looked genuinely concerned)

However, that's a talk for another time.

What is important, is the fact that Jack may have just woken up every Angel and Every Demon that ever died. The empty will not be happy. The empty will want justice.

WHAT THIS MEANS FOR EVERYONE ELSE:

the empty might very well toss all of the Angels and Demons out to get peace.

Heaven will go back to full power

Hell will be full of demons, some still very irate with the Winchesters

LUCIFER WILL BE BACK

And for those of you so sure that Castiel is forever dead, it may be wishful thinking or maybe delusion on my part, but I dont think so. Why would it keep one angel? One? I dont think Cas's story is over.

The boys are going to have A LOT to contend with.

Either forces will band together to take down Chuck or more chaos will erupt ending it in a not so happy way for our beloved brothers

There are literally hundreds of possibilities within each of these talking points and quite frankly I don't have time to write them all down (I will possibly come back and break down each point later) but the case remains....

WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THIS!!!!

Because if I am right, and I've been right about how a lot of things regarding this season, this moment is, literally, a game changer.

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unknowconcreteflower-art-blog-me · 5 years ago

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Spoilers OK KO (big reveal) Fall from Grace why it happened

Do not read if you are not caught up with the show don’t read it

YOU’VE BEEN WARNED!

Professor Venomous is Laserblast and is KO’s finally theory confirmed...though what I found interesting was his reason of turning evil.

As it was explained at the beginning of the episode while Laserblast was a great hero he was insecure about himself that he was never strong enough as a hero. Laserblasts’ strength was obtained by absorbing the power of his foes and he was entirely dependant on it. So much he would try to compensate by rushing in gun hoe into missions! He never felt like it was his own power and he wanted to be stronger; believing he wasn’t good enough on his own. Even though that was never the case his peers and fans all loved him...but that was never enough for him. Because to him, he was supposed to be an example, an icon everything a hero should be, he’s supposed to be the best. So much so he did illegal experimentation to obtain more power to be better.

His fall from grace was attributed to the pressures of being a hero and I will argue that Lazerblast was probably considered the number 1 hero like Chip Damage. We can support this theory by looking at Chip Damage, why he was created and what ended him (he was literally made to replace Lazerblast) so we can assume everyone saw Chip the same way as Lazerblast did... everybody loved and looked up to him. Though he was a robot and once he knew was and given free will decided to destroy himself because he didn’t think he was good enough as the hero they deserved...sound familiar?

Basically, this pressure to be the perfect role-model to everyone got to Chip which is why he deactivated himself. As for Laserblast when he lost his powers it destroyed him, he went into hiding and wanted to die as a great hero inside of living on as a pathetic powerless man. What would everyone in Point say, heck what would Carol say he can’t come back not the way he is now. He would let everybody down, similar to the fall of Chip Damage but instead of destroying himself he decided to pretend to be dead he didn’t think he was worthy of being everyone’s hero. So he willingly made himself disappear... He hid himself to try to return back to his power but after experimenting on himself for months but he can’t turn back to normal. So he decided to not go back and became evil and transforming himself into Professor Venomous! The episode reveals his side but we don’t really explain why he came to this conclusion of just becoming a villain, going against everything he knew. He could have stayed in hiding instead of doing this over-correction.

WHY IS THAT? (yes I know for the money and stuff, but there’s more to this

I think deep down he resented hero society for putting all this pressure on him, always having to be perfect and be there, poster boy. Just being treated as a piece of meat never having the freedom as a normal guy. Trapped into society’s image of him as the perfect hero. And for what cost having to constantly worry about your image, what people think about you, always worrying about not being good enough? Hero society is competitive the people and have created this impossible expectation to be the best. Think about it everyone trying to be the best hero, being the most powerful comparing pow. cards and just look at how Point prep. was up until now it was a cesspool of toxic superiority. If you need proof look at Elodie, that’s what originally corrupted her to betray Enid. To be the best...(Kinda reminds me of BNA the anime). That’s probably why he despises hero’s so much because of there conformity and their standards which is why he became a villain. He lost his powers he didn’t need to try anymore, but it was the best thing that could a have ever happened to him.

Becoming Professor Venomous was freedom for him! He can finally destroy the society he hated so much, which is why he doesn’t just attack KO he taunts his morales and beliefs because he use to think like that, “trapped” but only now being free as a villain.

“We deserve Freedom, freedom of the things we wanna do...”

Not only that but this gives us the reasoning and creation of TKO (if he is confirmed to be Shadowy figure as well). Think about it TKO is the opposite of KO and being free, doing whatever you want, not being trapped doing what your told which is why we got the episode of TKO Rules. He embodies that theme during the entire episode when he’s wrecking the house. The creation of TKO maybe Professor Venomous’ sick twisted way in freeing his son. But if that truly is that case then damn that’s dark.

This also explains his attraction to Lord Boxman (and yes for you nonshipper this can be put into a platonic sense too); I’ve already explained it here but this goes even deeper. Boxman although he’s seen as a lesser villain he doesn’t care about what others think about him and refuses to conform to their standards and stay true to himself. Basically, Boxman had the courage to do what PV could never do as Laserblast be himself in the hero society. He reminded him why he became a villain to have the freedom to do whatever he wanted. And can I just point out that Professor Venomous trusted Boxman with his darkest secret that he was Laserblast in the past... I mean come on that’s crazy? I know I’m shoehorning Voxman but that is the biggest secret in the entire show and he trusted Boxman with it.

Well now we all know that he’s Laserblast Ok KO will never be the same... Hope you all enjoyed my post!

#ok ko let's be heroes #ok ko Spoilers #professor venomous #ok ko laserblast #ok ko big reveal #ok ko carol #ok ko boxman #voxman #tko #ok ko

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Hi there, An anon post is going around saying shippers will ship and this person believes Cait is capable of doing a fake marriage and real ceremony. The anon doesn’t believe a certificate exists and where is Tony after all he is a ghost husband??? CRT responded with a Columbo gif mentioning there has to be more hidden pictures that they haven’t uncovered because shippers are hanging on to some of them referring to the one that was recently revealed. The marathon photo of Cait and Tony. it’s-moopoint responded by saying they act like a cult and a few other former shippers re-blogged and commented to. Now I have to laugh at all this and roll my eyes because I don’t believe these former shippers should be giving that type of advice to the anon considering they don’t even believe the factual evidence of Sam’s relationships with other women and former girlfriends. To them it has always been strange, fake or part of a PR conspiracy. I look at it as they all need a dose of reality and to be awaken from whatever fantasy they have chosen to be real. Can you explain why some of these people finally believe Cait’s marriage to Tony is real but on the other hand they don’t believe anything that Sam does in his personal life is real? It’s a very confusing dynamic. Are they trying to hang on to some bizarre theories to make themselves feel good and give them a reason as to why Sam and Cait never worked out? The same way Donald Trump has acted since losing the U.S. election by believing in QANON conspiracies, the election was rigged and stolen from him. I think they don’t want to admit they were wrong all along or accept all of the truth.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts anon!

Yes, there is definitely a similar thread in the thinking of all conspiracy theorists, whether they are in fandoms or in politics.

I mean to me anyone who believes in QAnon has just willingly turned off their reasoning ability.

But recently, I’ve been surprised at some of the parallels I’ve seen between how SC extreme shippers operate and how QAnon believers operate.

SC shippers often have anonymous “sources” who give them “inside information” about SC. Of course, QAnon had the mysterious “Q.”

SC predictions about reveals never came true and neither did Q’s predictions of the “Storm” and the “Great Awakening.”

SC shippers will analyze photos that contradict the ship to try to prove that they were “photoshopped.” I recently read about some QAnon adherents looking at videotape of some of Trump’s speeches they didn’t like to try to prove the videos were somehow not true (e.g., Trump’s hair wasn’t the right color so it couldn’t have really been him 🙄).

SC shippers often think that S or C are sending them “secret messages” supporting the ship. QAnon believers often thought Trump was sending them “secret messages.”

It’s all out of the same playbook.

As for ex-shippers or their allies believing that C & T are married but not believing that S actually dated certain women, well, it’s very possible anon that (as you suggested) some of them just don’t want to admit they were completely wrong all these years. Better to have been “half right” that something was “fishy” than to be totally wrong.

I also think many of them may still be thinking like conspiracy theorists. After all, most of them hung out in that world for a long time and took at face value what was said in Shipperville about S’s girlfriends being “fake.”

I don’t even think it has dawned on many of them to re-think what they believed about Abbie or MM in light of C & T.

It doesn’t matter that we nonshippers did a huge amount of debunks of all their hypotheses about Abbie and MM. Most of them don’t even know the debunks exist and sadly most of them wouldn’t be open to them even if they knew.

The thing about any conspiracy is it can always handle information that contradicts it by coming up with another convoluted explanation.

And this is how people stay believing absurd things for years.

JMHO

#Anonymous

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i feel like a huge portion of kpop fans are gay fetishists attracted to the idea of quote unquote feminine men and thats why theres so much bullshit

YES okay. okay let me rant for a minute. let me preface this by saying i am NOT a kpop shipper at ALL. this is going to be long so i’ll put it under a’ ‘read more’ because i’ve been holding it in for TWO FUCKING YEARS BABY!

being mlm in boygroup kpop fandom is literally so exhausting. 99% of the people who ship real life human men from boygroups are fetishists and i will tell u why

obviously we all know of a ship in a fandom where the characters' personalities are twisted to fit the heteronormative view of "top" and "bottom" --one character is hypermasculine (top) and the other one is feminine (bottom). there are typical traits associated with both. the ‘top’ is scary or mean or angry or serious while the ‘bottom’ is emotional or bubbly or shy. while this is egregious, at least its fictional characters. their personalities can be simplified or exaggerated and it doesnt cause any real life harm.

im going to define what i think of as a fetishist: a non-mlm person who overly sexualizes gay men/men they think are gay/gay ships, and forces them into heteronormative roles for their own pleasure. its not even limited to cishet women. plenty of non-mlm lgbt people do this too and its like disheartening. so anyways

enter the kpop fandom

i may be incredibly biased here because one of the most affected members [of bts] is my favorite kpop boy, but oh god is the ‘personality change/simplification’ thing AWFUL here. i do not go out of my way to find fanart or see fanfic threads, but being in the bts fandom, u will inevitably see it and i REALLY wish i didnt

so anyways. my favorite boy ever is hoseok. he is sweet and hardworking and very passionate about dance and he can be serious when needed, but ultimately he tries to be very lighthearted and will consistently laugh or make jokes or do something funny when the other members feel uncomfortable or awkward (mostly during english-speaking interviews). he kisses the members on the cheek a lot/hugs them a lot/cuddles them a lot [this is important for later okay]

of course, theres a lot more to him because he is a multi-faceted real life human being, and i don’t know him personally, but that’s a general idea of what he’s like, okay?

SHIPPERS will have you think differently. some video got popular on youtube ""proving"" that hoseok is a sadist (which is just clips of him jokingly playfighting with the younger members), and the video depicts him as secretly mean and serious, and shippers will use that to say "hoseok is a total top!" and then most fanart or imagines or fanfic threads you see are top!hoseok, using this imagined 'hoseok is a sadistic dom' narrative to fuel their fiction, because SOMEONE has to be the top, so they twist him into this hypermasculine mean person (and probably feminize the 'bottom' of their ship but more on that later)

EXCEPT it is not just fiction. this narrative bleeds into REAL LIFE. you have new armys who dont know anything about the shipping scene, and yet somehow the narrative of hoseok being a secretly mean, sadistic person has already made its way into them. in real life, hoseok likes rainbows and wearing nail stickers and putting glitter in his hair. yet people in the fandom will say shit like "hoseok hates femininity" "hoseok would never wear [thing] because he's a dom"

sometimes on twitter you have ppl like me who say uh actually you guys are really weird and this is fetishy and in real life hoseok is very nice and not sadistic at all, you will UNDOUBTEDLY get comments like "omg hoseok isnt cute/nice when will yall learn he’s secretly like [x] and [x]". you could post a video of hoseok with a puppy titled "wow cute" and u will get like 2 clowns in ur comments going 'hoseok isnt CUTE hes a sadist’ . i wish i was joking but i am not. they will do this for EVERY action hoseok does. he cannot blink without people twisting it into a sexual thing

[also, side note: its funny that, since hoseok is one of the least popular members and therefore one of the least shipped members, he is often the odd man out among pairings, and is assigned 'the straight one' by default, and 9 times out of 10 people who assign him 'the straight one' do all this 'dom daddy hoseok' shit.

which just goes to show that this is indeed a matter of heteronormativity.]

so anyways arguably the most popular ship with hoseok is with yoongi, sope. this absolutely happens to other ships probably but im just using them as an example because i see it the most, being a hobi stan

yoongi is very calm and thoughtful and kind and sometimes appears to be cold/having a bad attitude but its just because of the way he speaks, which is very bluntly. again hes a multi faceted real human and i do not know him personally but thats generally what hes like.

god the fandom. treats him SO BAD. so horribly. he's shorter than hoseok. he's shorter than hoseok and people will exaggerate that literal 1 inch height difference so bad and people will turn his whole personality into shy and blushy and In Love With Hoseok, so in love with hoseok that ‘he gets sad’ when hoseok doesn’t kiss him/hug him/or whatever and IT BLEEDS INTO REAL LIFE.

ANY time hoseok or yoongi do ANYTHING together at ALL, people will ALWAYS push the narrative that hoseok, being the mean sadist he is, is 'hurting' yoongi for not returning his undying love or whatever. hoseok did a vlive where he made bracelets for all the members and he considered putting a cat charm on yoongi's but ultimately decided not to because he was having difficulty and oh my GOD sope stans twisted it into 'hoseok HATES yoongi, yoongi would have been so happy, he would have worn that all the time, hoseok isnt affectionate he hates being close with other people after all :(' which is LITERALLY not true because hoseok gives all his homies good night kisses but okay! whatever fits your narrative!

PEOPLE ACTUALLY HATE HOSEOK BECAUSE OF THIS. BECAUSE OF A SHIP. BECAUSE OF THE MANUFACTURED NARRATIVE PUSHED ONTO HIM BY FETISHISTS SO HE COULD FIT INTO THEIR HETERONORMATIVE ‘TOP’ ROLE. not to be all wahh wahh hoseok is one of the least popular members BUT THIS IS LITERALLY A CONTRIBUTING FACTOR.

everyone """headcanons""" hoseok to be a top so they will make him a MEAN HYPERMASCULINE person. everyone """headcanons""" yoongi as a bottom so they will make him a SOFT UWU HYPERFEMININE person. shippers are literally pigeonholing the two of them into fujoshi-esque roles for jack-off material.

anyways this all boils down to: gay fetishists will do anything, ANYTHING, to twist characters or real life fucking people to fit their heteronormative view of top and bottom. top=mean and masculine, bottom=soft and feminine. hoseok is a real life human being. yoongi is a real life human being. they both have real life human personalities, and yet shippers twist their personalities into the opposite to fit their narrative, to the point where nonshippers will genuinely view the two of them as something theyre not.

you have tons of armys that theorize that hoseok's happiness is just a mask he puts on to hide a cruel nature. on twitter. on youtube. in fanart and fanfiction. you have tons of armys that truly believe that, despite literally all the evidence, believe he hates being cute, he hates being happy, he hates the members, and hes secretly a dom daddy fuckboy who wants to bend yoongi over a table. hes a real life human being and fetishists doing their fetish thing has real life consequences.

the same is true for bottom!hoseok stans: they overexaggerate his more cutesy personality traits and he does have a 'feminine' figure i.e. he has a rly small waist but they will overexaggerate that as well and give him huge hips and its disgusting but dom!hoseok is far more frequent with far more devastating consequences so i used that as an example but they’re both bad.

people who """"headcanon"""" [like actually headcanon/firmly believe and not just joking or lighthearted] that members are gay will force these types of roles onto the members. if someone genuinely believes that like, yoongi is gay/bi/whatever, and then try to force this subby soft uwu persona onto him, they have no respect for gay people. they dont. gay people are simply objects for their fantasies. their view of gay people is so one-dimensional and so driven by fetishists’ ideas that its actually disheartening.

and god bitches will deadass be homophobic yet still ship real ass human idols. not just for bts specifically but all boygroup fandoms. sometimes when you search up an idol's name, [idol] gay will be trending--whether it be because of people saying "im gay for him" or whatever, and a LOT of cishet people will try 'clearing' the searches because being gay is bad or something. people normally ‘clear’ the searches if something like [idol fat] or [idol ugly] are trending, which im telling you so you know the context that people only clear the searches when bad things are happening.

[never forget that time 'jungkook gay' was trending and bitches were like "lets clear the searches!" but their pinned tweet said some shit like "sub jungkook x dom jimin coffee shop smut au thread 🌈". bitches also be like i cant be homophobic i ship taekook]

and hoseok and yoongi arent the only ones affected ! we could get into why namjoon and jin (another popular ship) are often assigned 'dad' and 'mom' respectively, or the fact that gay fetishists not only twist members' personalities to fit their ship narrative, but will also force tropes onto them i.e. taehyung/jungkook shippers who will literally demonize jimin and call him a slut or say that he's trying to 'get in the way of' of taekook or 'steal' taehyung/jungkook but thats a whole DIFFERENT rant baby! racism/asian fetishism is also definitely a present factor in all of this but this focus was primarily on gay fetishism and heteronormativity.

oh my god i could also get into the severe transphobia/trans fetishism in this fandom too but this post is already long enough as it is

tl dr: gay fetishists will fetishize real life people and it has actual real life effects and we should ban straight women from shipping mlm

#nobody is going to read this but i just needed to let it out man #fucking hate bts stans #fucking hate kpoppies #fuck u if ur not mlm like actually

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