#deer reads wof

[the-owl-tree]

also, not to demand too much of this series, i think they could have really played with why queens would have incentive to keep the war going. like yeah sure "because it's fun" is an okay over the top villain excuse but like off the top of my head the ability to reap profit off of conquered lands and those in alliance, queen coral could have profited off of writing propaganda thus adding more incentive to keep the alliance, and so on. idk, missed opportunity!

[kaitethecreature]

Some WoF headcanons! (Pt. 1: Pyrrhian Dragons)

(Some of these ideas are mine, and some of these I’ve seen from others).

MudWings

Their colours can be browns, orangey-brown, greenish-brown, grey-brown, amber, jade green, and even brown-black.

Some MudWings can have crocodile-like snouts that are thinner and longer than regular MudWing snouts.

They have multiple rows of spikes along their back (like alligators and crocodiles).

Sometimes they can have webbed talons like SeaWings.

Due to their love of food, they’re one of the best chefs in the continent. They also love using lots of herbs and spices in their dishes.

MudWing royalty will wear bone/teeth jewelry, jewel piercings, cow pelt capes, flower crowns, and even antler crowns from deer, elk, or moose.

MudWings have tusks that they use to dig up plants and fight for mates.

Low class MudWings that struggle to make regular MudWing homes will dig undergroud or through the sides of cliffs/hills to make their homes.

SeaWings

They’re some of the biggest gossips in the continent and love to tell tall tales.

SeaWing families are very affectionate, and some parents are known to spoil their dragonets (which other tribes find weird).

Besides IceWings and SkyWings, SeaWings have the biggest hierarchical difference between lower and higher class dragons.

SeaWings that live near the surface/in reefs are more vibrant and have less need for Aquatic markings outside of communication (due to how bright their environment is). They also have weaker night vision.

Open ocean SeaWings look the most like an average SeaWing, and get bigger the deeper they live.

Deep-sea SeaWings are giant, and come in dark blues, navys, blacks, and even shades of red. They have the strongest night vision, and use Aquatic the most.

SeaWings have fish-like tails and sails along their wings and upper tail to help with navigation.

Due to them living primarily in the ocean, their wings are the least developed, and SeaWing dragonets fly much later than other dragon tribes.

SandWings

SandWings have the second hottest firebreath, only being beaten by SkyWings.

SandWing families are very distant, and many SandWing dragonets are orphaned shortly after hatching.

They have the best heat tolerance, and some SandWings can have fire resistance like blood-egg MudWings.

SandWings can have rattles near the end of their tail (right before their tail barb), and shake it when intimidated or angry.

They’re the most musical tribe, and have travelling bards (similar to IceWings).

Alongside SkyWings and SeaWings, they’re expert jewellers, and have very good reviews from even queens who buy their products.

SandWings are the most opposed to pets, and consider them a waste of space and resources. Thus, any dragon with a pet will most likely have their pet eaten or accidentally killed.

Many SandWings will have underground burrows to stay cool during the day, and will hunt in the evening/at night to avoid the intense sun.

SkyWings

SkyWings shed their scales the most of any tribe, and some dragons or even humans will collect the scales for jewelry or decorations.

SkyWings often have windchimes outside their home, and consider elegant designs and complex sound systems to be more desirable.

They have a very good tolerance to altitude sickness.

The hotter the SkyWing’s fire is, the lighter their scales are (like actual fire (I also love the idea that some SkyWings have blue or white scales due to how hot their fire is)).

They have the best eyesight, but have terrible night vision.

SkyWing eggs are more durable than other eggs from different tribes, and can even survive small falls from their nests (firescale eggs are more fragile though).

Their overall endurance is crazy good, and pride themselves on how well they can fly/fight.

SkyWings and water don’t mix whatsoever. They act like housecats when forced to go in water.

NightWings

Besides mind reading and future sight, NightWings born under new moons can have telepathy or past sight.

They’re super big on accessories, and often have lots of pouches and sacs filled with their favourite items.

A rare condition that NightWings can develop is something called Vampirism. Dragons with this condition crave blood and are super sensitive to sunlight (so they’re basically vampires).

NightWings born with albinism are often cast off by their parents or even killed due to being “impure” or “not fit for living”.

They have the weakest firebreath due to them spending the least amount of time under the sun.

NightWing scales under the sun are actually very vibrant, and shine in many different colours when in the right condition.

NightWings overheat often due to their scales attracting sunlight.

They have an interesting relationship with humans, and wish to study them more often and learn from them.

IceWings

Similar to NightWings, their scales are colourful under the sunlight.

They are the second best swimmers and can hold their breath for up to an hour.

Their horns can sometimes be segmented (like cervidae), and can be shed or broken off during spring and summer.

IceWings are very pompous and despise getting dirty.

They celebrate the winter solstice and love to have parties whenever something eventful happens.

IceWing royalty wear animal hides, gemstone jewelry, bone necklaces/bracelets, and shell jewelry.

The equivalent to firescales in IceWings is frostscales, where instead of burning things, they freeze things. And like fireless twins, frostless twins exist, and have a lower life expectancy due to them having poor cold resistance.

IceWings make igloos for non-IceWings to help them stay warm when staying in the IceWing kingdom.

RainWings (my favourite tribe!)

They are expert dancers and love to perform for others.

RainWings omnivores exist, but are more uncommon (these usually exist when the RainWing is a hybrid).

They are the best medics, and often have travelling medics that go around spreading info about medical herbs and treatments.

RainWings often become biologists due to how diverse their territory is, and have the most extensive knowledge about animals and plants.

Besides sloths, RainWings often own tropical birds, frogs, insects, and even wild cats (like jaguars and panthers).

RainWings are the second worst flyers, and are more used to gliding than full on flying.

Some RainWings have extendable tongues that they use to grab stuff with (like chameleons)

RainWings have sticky pads on their talons that are used to grip surfaces better (like geckos).

[surveys-at-your-service]

Survey #252

my personal laptop has to be fixed, so therefore i don’t have games to play, so expect plenty of these to pass the time lmao.

Have you ever said something just to see what kind of reaction you’d get? No, not that I remember. Have you ever confronted someone about using too much chat-speak? ??? No??? Have you ever revealed someone’s secret, after promising not to tell? No. Secrets are one thing I'm very serious about respecting. What is one emotion that you experience regularly? STRESS, MOTHERFUCKER. Describe the last major change you made concerning your hairstyle? Lopped it all off, lmao. It's been like, two years now though. Who was the last person to walk out of your life, and why? It feels like my friend Alex. She's kinda just... left me hanging for months. I think she's active online, but not with me, despite reaching out. She's also deleted her b.net account or just removed me from her friends list, idk. Absolutely nothing seems like it would've prompted that, though. Are you less likely to approach people that look/dress a certain way? I was going to say no, but the last person's answer inspired mine to yes; like, I'm not going to go talk to people with some crazy or offensive shit on their shirts, nor am I going to just go walk up to someone covered in blood. Name one embarrassing activity that you take part in? I don't know. Like I say enough I'm VERY self-conscious of revealing I RP, but only because I'm sensitive to how the person will respond. I'm in no way like, ashamed I do it. I'm just terrified of judgment over something "unusual." Ever been told that you can’t understand love due to your age? Not that I remember. I only claimed to "get it" (to my recollection) at a point in mine and Jason's relationship, and I very legitimately would've guffawed at and honestly nearly slapped you if you claimed I "didn't understand" love. What is your favorite Starburst candy flavor? THE PINK ONES. Do you think that you act like yourself while online? I act more like myself online. Have you ever lied about something to get someone to like you? No. Who is the fakest person in your life right now? I don't keep those people in my life. Have you ever laid down in the grass, and made shapes out of the clouds? As a kiddo. When someone’s constantly negative, how do you deal with it? It depends on the person, but ALMOST in all cases, I really really try to support the person as best I can. It may start to bring me a bit down, but I feel I'm just like... hardwired to help those I love. I think it's what my relationship with Jason did, as he left because he couldn't handle my depression anymore, and with how that absolutely and utterly annihilated me, I don't want anyone else to feel that pain. Now, for people I don't have much of a bond with, it's easier for me to say "I'm sorry, but I can't handle this right now," but even then, I prefer to help. Does Christmas make you feel like a kid again? No. I'm really most excited for aunt reasons, lol. Do you have any artistic talent? Some. Would you ever shoplift from a store if you knew you wouldn’t be caught? Absolutely not. When one of your pets dies, how do you react? Usually cry. I've only ever not done so if I hadn't at all formed a bond with the animal. When you go to the movies, where in the theater do you sit? Close to the front, in the middle. When was the last time you lost your appetite? I don’t know. Have you ever neglected to take care of yourself? Er. Quite badly during '16, in the depth of my depression. I'll just say my teeth are kinda yellow because of it. I want to whiten my teeth at some point if I can afford that kind of luxury. The last song/poem/story you wrote - what was it about? In RP, the most recent section being written now is my main protagonists receiving a visit from their allies before getting their asses torn up the next day lmao. After a fight, who apologizes first - you, or the other person? Usually me, but it does depend. If I genuinely feel I didn't do jackshit wrong, no, I'm not apologizing. When you’re feeling creative, what do you do? Write. Do you mind being in your house alone overnight? Not really by now. Done so a number of times. Are there any dreams you remember from childhood? Nightmares, yes, and one very realistic dream. What worries you most about death? Not knowing what happens afterwards. Do you watch really old tv shows or movies from the 1970s or earlier? I love The Munsters, I Love Lucy, The Beverly Hillbillies, and The Addams Family. I'm sure there's more, considering I liked to watch stuff with my mom as a kid. Who’s your celebrity crush(es)? HHHHHHHHHHNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG Ever been to a rave? No. Are you afraid to name the person you talk the most shit about? I don't really do that. Like I'll vent about people occasionally, but "talk shit" seems like the wrong word. I don't like gossiping. Are you a jealous person? Envious, rather, sometimes. I get VERY envious when it comes to photography, but otherwise, I don't feel it much. Who do you text the most out of your friends? Sara is like the only friend I text, lol. What would you do if you saw a complete stranger dealing drugs in public?
 Honestly, call an authority. I don't fuck with that. I'm not watching it happen. How often do you play video games? What are some of your favourites?
 I played World of Warcraft daily until my laptop took a shit. Need to get that fixed. Now I play actual video games very rarely... but mostly just because you can only replay the same ole game so many times before you've had enough of it for like a year. There are a great number of new games I want to play, though. I want a PS4 soooo badly. What are a few things that get on your nerves when it comes to Facebook (or your social networking site of choice)?
 More than anything, posting something that's crying for attention only for the person to be like "ugh I don't wanna talk about it." Then don't fucking post it. What are three things you’ve started to like lately? I feel like I haven't found new interests in a long time... Wait! I do feel The Handmaid's Tale and the Wings of Fire book Sara lent me have revived my love of reading! :') I want to go to the book store when I can and get both the new sequel to THT and the next WoF book. What was the last reason for having butterflies in your stomach?
 *shrug* Do you need a lot of space in relationships, or are you happy to spend a lot of time with your SO?
 I need SOME alone time, but for the most part I love being together. Once we're really close, anyway. What was the last thing you cooked from scratch? Scrambled eggs. Have you ever won anything from those games in arcades?
 Yeah. Funny story, there was this one time my sister won a stuffed duck from a claw machine, and it was the one I wanted after trying many times, and I cried so hard that one of the employees literally got one out for me lmfao. I probably still have it in the attic. When was the last time you went out to a fair?
 Not since right before the breakup. How far is the nearest zoo or wildlife park from your house? Do you go often?
 Like, two hours. We almost never go because of the distance. Are either one of your parents retired? If not, what do they do for a living?
 No. My dad's been a mailman all my life, and Mom is currently on disability because she has cancer and obviously can't work because of chemotherapy and all that. She was a pharmacy tech, though. If you could change one physical trait about yourself, what would it be?
 Can all this weight like vanish please. Have you ever gone out with someone you didn’t like?
 ????? Why would I do that???? Well, I didn't yet like-like Tyler because we hadn't been reunited as friends long enough; dating was kinda like... a dumb way to re-get to know each other? Thank fuck that was only two weeks. Would you ever take a bullet for your significant other? I'm single. Would you ever work at a fast food restaurant?
 No. History shows I can't work with people. Are you good at haunted houses, or do you scream your head off?
 AHHHHHHHHHHH I LOVE!!!!!!!!!!! If you’ve seen it, what did you think of the Twilight movie?
 I never watched them. Have you ever gotten your tongue stuck on a frozen pole?
 No. Are you a cat or a dog person?
 Cat. Does the movie Titanic make you cry?
 Ha ha, yes. I watched it on movie day while at the psych hospital and all of us were lil bitches almost sobbing, lol. Because it's a long movie, it went past our allotted time, but the nurses decided to let us finish it because we were so into it. I do have some good memories from those times... Do you think that fat people should wear skinny jeans? I think people can wear whatever the fuck they want without fear of judgment. Do you prefer game systems like Xbox, or older ones like Super Nintendo? The former. Do you enjoy indie music? Yep! What is the most strange piercing you’ve ever seen? Those ones people were getting on their fingers instead of rings... just huh. What do you do when you’re waiting in line at the grocery store? Look around, I guess. Think. What is your favourite beach to go to? I haven't been to enough to know. Have you ever been to a country club? No. Have you ever seen an animal die in real life? Too many times. Animals have been euthanized in my arms, and a kitten slowly died in my hands once. One of the most heartbreaking things I have ever experienced. Teddy accidentally punctured its lungs or broke ribs, I think, or something like that. I'm pretty sure he was trying to bring it back to its siblings because it wandered off, but he held it too tightly. I was home alone, too. It was fucking awful. Do you live on a Rd, St, Blvd, Ln, Way, or Ave? Road. Do you have naked pictures of someone saved on your phone? No. Would you ever go see an opera? Bitch I played Parasite Eve, I don't trust that shit. But seriously, no, not my scene. Do you own anything John Deere? No. Do you have a push mower or a mower that you ride on? Neither. A friend mows for us; he has the latter. What is the longest amount of time you’ve been stuck in traffic for? No clue. I think during a trip to New York. Would you consider joining the air force, army, etc? No. Who was your first crush and what made them special? This kid named Dylan. I thought he was super cute and cool. What is one thing nobody knows about you because nobody ever cared to ask? I dunno. Who did you idolize growing up? Steve Irwin. Do you believe that we are all here for a reason? What might the reason be? No. Have you ever carved your name or initials into a tree or stone? No. What were your best and worst subjects in school or college? Best: English. Worst: math. Name something you would like to devote more time to seeing or doing. Writing poetry. Drawing. Do you like to get your nails done? No. Do you remember the last movie you saw while on a date? Yeah, IT. Do you like to wear dresses? Hell no with my current body. Do you like any ‘manly’ activities like hunting, fishing, or camping? I find fishing to be fun and relaxing, but because of morals, I can't stomach doing it anymore. What was the name of your first boyfriend? First with the title, Aaron. First *real* boyfriend, Jason. Your first kiss? Jason. Are you still with either of those people from the last 2 questions? No. Have you ever used your bra to hold things like you would a pocket? Ha ha no. I think. What is your longest relationship to date? Three years, 7-8 months. I don't remember if the breakup was in August or September. Who ended the last relationship you were in? It was kinda like... mutual-ish, but moreso her. Have you ever gotten back with an ex? No. Who was your first prom date? Jason. Do you cry during romantic movies? Sometimes. Who was the last person to see you cry? Mom. Have you ever been used? I don't think so romantically, but in other ways, I know I have been. Have you ever felt violated? Yes. Do you like when a guy takes you by surprise and kisses you? Not everyone likes guys, so what an assumption. But anyway, only if we're very serious and have heavy trust in one another. Do you ever leave the house without makeup? Pretty much always. When was the last time someone gave you flowers? Been a few years. What kind of gift can win you over? BITCH buy me something Mark-related and you earn like 20 points. Has anyone ever sung to you? Yes. Do you like massages? Depends on who you are. In almost any case, no. They're awkward. Have you ever been skinny dipping? No. Do you sleep naked? No. Is smoking a turn-off? Yes. Is there a certain tv show you get upset if you miss? No. When was the last time you spent the night at someone else’s house? When I was at Sara's a year or so back. What is one food you always crave? Ice cream. Are you an exercise freak? Hunny- What scares you more, spiders or snakes? Snakes don't scare me, so spooders. Do you expect to be married in the next two years? No. Would you ever get implants? Nah. Have you ever had a crush on a sibling’s friend? No. Have you ever had a crush on a friend’s sibling? No. Are you more of a 'girly girl’ or a 'tomboy’? A tomboy. Have you ever dated someone with a child? No. Are you addicted to texting? No.

[the-owl-tree]

now onto the dark secret! havent read these books so going into blind territory

[the-owl-tree]

i feel like i'd enjoy clay more if his pov wasn't mostly him just chained and reacting to things but also his other appearances in the other books are just him going "food?" which is not helping him out lol

[the-owl-tree]

I’m a bit biased but I think Darkstalker is the best book in the wof series. I won’t spoil anything but the way it handles it’s characters is fabulous.

On the other hand if you have issues with the prose, stay away from arc 3. It quickly devolves into nonsensical caps lock.

oooh not that caps lock.....once again fine for the intended audience, just not for me lol

i'll try to get to darkstalker than at least! i wanted to check out the 2nd arc anyways, that'll probably inform me if i want to keep pushing to the 3rd

[the-owl-tree]

it's been a little while since I read the graphic novels, and I think overall they're pretty strong adaptations, but re: the rainwings I do think the third book struck a nice balance of. Glory learning to actually be lazy/that taking time to rest is not wrong. and putting emphasis on. It did not work for her to try and change the Rainwing tribe into something they were not so much as harnessing the skills they already possessed. The "too-lazy" aspect you had issue with was treated more as a symptom of bad leadership than it was a character flaw of All The Rainwings Themselves, from my memory ? I don't know if that touches on the specific thing you were uncomfy with but that was. my interpretation of how the rainwings were handled. granted, based on my from-a-while-ago reading but

I won't deny I think that's the intention but I think the book still heavily looks down on the Rainwings for being nonviolent, not fighting, and not having a "proper" Queen system. I think the book could have challenged the idea that this a failing of the Rainwings and not a failure of the world they live in. Glory learning to relax is nice, it's a good touch for her to appreciate sun time and all that lol but I guess the other ways the writing handles them rubs me the wrong way.

[the-owl-tree]

The thing with Kestrel is most notable in the first book, when Glory and Tsunami are treated as somewhat immoral for not wanting to risk their lives for their abuser. Which, obviously saving Kestrel wasn’t a bad thing to do, but there wasn’t anything wrong with them not wanting to do it.

but what anon was wrong about, was that teh Kestrel apologism is more in the fandom than the books. With people saying that she didn’t even do anything THAT bad or choosing to say that because she has a sad backstory, that immediately excuses what she did

the fandom has a problem where if a character has a sad backstory, then that immediately excuses everything they do, even if it means abusing people.

oh. Excluding Anemone lol. She is actually unforgivable for her crimes of being a teenager.

Ah, yeah, the whole murder morality debate is a whole thang.

I'm curious that Kestrel's got a whole debate around her, she felt very cut and dry to me? Bad lady with a mildly sad backstory, it never felt like the books went out of their way to make you feel bad for her (heck, even up to her death she remains grouchy and fairly antagonistic).

Also funny to hear that about Anemone lol I've known her in one book and that's my entire context, she'll be fun to read in future arcs! I'll pick those up soon enough.

[the-owl-tree]

my biggest problem with Wof is the insistence in the first books (especially 1) that the dragonets owed something to Kestrel. Especially when in the original books, Glory states in her head that Kestrel (and Dune) would hit them, for sometimes. Just because they felt like it, though Glory they would hit the most, it says that she was the easiest target for when they are angry of sorts. Also in the first book it said that she burned the dragonets with fire. I also have somewhat similar a problem regarding the later books but since you haven’t gotten to that point I’m not gonna say anything.

Admittedly never got the reading of that myself, but I can see why it's annoying! I don't think I found the books were ever trying to justify Kestrel's treatment of them or anything, but maybe that was a detail lost in translation from novel to graphic novel.

[the-owl-tree]

I really wanna hear more of your gripes about the queens in wings of fire I'm super curious

I've softened a little to it but it doesn't escape me that the most consistent characterization of a bad queen within the first arc is vain, self-obsessed - vanity as a "feminine" vice. The incompetence is linked to that, varying in degrees but I think a lot of the main players - Scarlet, Coral, Blaze, the varying Rainwing queens (don't make me look up their names u know who i mean lol). The exceptions of antagonistic queens who don't fall into that archetype are Battlewinner, Blister, and Burn.

It's not a problem that these queens are portrayed as bad for being incompetent - that's the territory of a children's series where kids have to save the day! By design, the adults in charge must be incompetent, cruel (whether knowingly or unknowingly), and so on. If the people in power were kind and responsible, there wouldn't be a plot! But it doesn't really escape me that for like. three books in a row we get: the egotistical, vain Queen; the self-obsessed overly concerned mother who leashes her child and cares about her book sales; the air-headed ditzy vain queen; another air-headed ditzy vain queen and another (seriously, couldn't branch out with the Rainwings a little more there?).

Burn and Blister break up the first and second books respectively at the very least, but it doesn't escape me how little Burn is utilized until the very end and Battlewinner's actual appearances as an actually intimidating Queen is....really short.

I guess just something to chew on! It didn't ruin the experience for me, but it didn't help when I got to the Rainwing queens and went "oh, we're doing this again?"

[the-owl-tree]

hidden kingdom will be so fun for you i imagine :)

already pretty intrigued with this set up >:3c

[the-owl-tree]

What Wings of Fire characters do you love & what Wings of Fire characters do you hate?

tsunami, glory, and kinkajou were all really fun to read, just characters you could put in any situation and i'd be interested in reading how they got out of it.

peril i want to like more but i need more meat to chew on.

i can't say i hate anyone, every character is perfectly serviceable and rather inoffensive. i either like or feel fairly neutral towards a character. i guess the only one that made me go "hm..." was whirlpool, mainly because i uh admittedly still don't understand dragon years. even then, i guess ignoring the implications of him, he's serviceable as a slimy antagonist so i don't really hate him.

[the-owl-tree]

I don't know if you're going to forge ahead with the second arc of wof but I warn you. whatever prose problems you had with the first books They Will Get Worse. Tui leans way hard into the silly looser style of writing and overuse of caps lock and it's. fine and fun for kids books!! but also a little bit agonizing to reread. The second arc also hits every single pitfall that is possible to hit when you have a mysterious magic system with ill-defined rules. That said the sixth book and the "darkstalker" standalone released in the middle of the arc are some of my favorite wings of fire books, period. There are gems among the craziness for sure. It's been fun seeing your reactions to the first arc!

.....ah. well, not bad for kids! but, well, not really something i enjoy reading personally. i might try 'em but for now i'll probably stick with the graphic novels and what's been adapted so far for them. there's nothing wrong with that style of writing, works for the target audience but not for me lol

i'd like to read the darkstalker book! i've seen a lot about the dude, i'm curious about him

[the-owl-tree]

kestrels adoration by some of the fans is odd to me personally as well.

she was a major character in the book, but more to serve the backstories of the DoD and while she had backstory, I always felt like the backstory was more about Peril than it was her, Peril is the important character. Not Kestrel.

in the second book, she was just there to be dead, display Blisters evilness, and give Tsunami one more thing to be worried about.

every book in the first arc, and + any time she is mentioned by the DoD in the books after the first arc, is just bad memories of how she treated them.

even her backstory, I mean yeah that sucks. I always kind of viewed her backstory as being supposed to serve Peril more than it was supposed to serve her. It’s not supposed to justify her abusing children or explain her incredibly racism towards Glory. It’s just there to give Peril a reason to turn against Scarlet and fuel Clay x Peril a bit more. Thats why she was killed off literally right afterwards.

THAT'S HOW I FEEL!! she doesn't have a big enough role nor do i find her writing "problematic" in the same way that i have issues with rainflower's (tho i guess more hailstar & shellheart) and lizardstripe's. idk, odd but I guess if people want to discuss it go crazy?

[the-owl-tree]

starflight my beloved,,,, he wants So Badly to believe in the perfect lie abt his home and to belong but instead is brought face to face with All of the horrors and lies </3 I remember feeling so sad and unsettled (in a good way) by his book when I read it as a kid

i said in my tags i wasn't the biggest fan of the dude but he grew on me while reading! i liked his journey, it was nice seeing him grow and realize the truth of everything. i think the gn's could've done better alluding to his crush on sunny because it does feel a little forced at times, and the chemistry with fatespeaker is....meh

[the-owl-tree]

started wings of fire and while im still only in the beginning of the book i dont understand why glory isn't the protagonist of this book instead of clay