#cql critical

[lavender-phoenix-flames]

Why is it always some untamed edit or video on yt that's calling wwx dumb and oblivious?!! I hate it here, can any adaptation get wwx's characteristization right?!!??

[wutheringskies]

If you sit down to analyze themes from CQL, Lan Zhan's character suffers so greatly.

me writing such a long post in my drafts shitting on cql lan wangji but the overall sentiment is such that:

MDZS! Lan Wangji: Wei Ying, will you allow me to be your husband, your daolu, your lover?

CQL! Lan Wangji: Wei Ying, be my casual, long distance, low commitment girlfriend.

[enby-axels]

i want to watch cql but i also dont want to bc apparently it changed a lot like why is wen ruohan doing demonic cultivation. what the fuck is a yin iron. what the fuck is chengqing

[gh0st-0f-luke]

six excerpts from a wangxian fic told entirely through ratemyprofessors reviews

[sandontshengshou]

Day 3829 of seething and coping over the fact that despite making Jiang Cheng feel like he was worthless to his OWN FATHER by relentlessly and publicly favouring his other son/ward?, he ALSO managed to deeply traumatise said boy by making him promise to place the priorities of the Jiang Sect (a.k.a his own biological kids) over Wei Wuxian’s own life like the kid never even mattered to him!!! Fucking sublime!

[defelozedd94]

I don't really like Lan Zhan in The Untamed

I know this is an unpopular opinion, but Lan Zhan kind of bothers me in the drama. He always seems bored and annoyed by everything, he never talks, he comes across as emotionless, and he only seems to care when something is related to Wei Wuxian, which is pretty selfish I think. I have trouble connecting to him.

For example, Lan Xichen has always been there for him, always supporting him no matter what, even when he had no reason to believe him or when protecting him could have put him in trouble. But has Lan Zhan ever done anything for his brother? No. He seems to care mostly about himself and Wei Ying. For instance, when everyone was against Wei Wuxian except for Lan Zhan, Lan Xichen helped by hiding him in the Cloud Recesses, even though he had no proof and no reason to believe that Wei Ying wasn’t evil (let me remind you that all the other clan leaders were against Wei Wuxian at that time, so Xichen could have easily gone along with them on this). But he took that risk, because he always trusted his brother.

But when the situation is reversed and it's Jin Guangyao who is accused of being evil, does Lan Zhan do anything to support his brother? No… he only stands by Wei Ying’s side, even though he himself has no proof against Meng Yao (in the end, it was proven that they were right about Meng Yao, but at the time, there was no way to be sure). Xichen could also have trusted Nie Mingjue over his brother when it came to Wei Ying (since Mingjue also believed Wei Wuxian was evil), but he didn’t. So, when it’s about Wei Ying, Lan Zhan is willing to believe he’s still a good person, but when it comes to other people like Meng Yao, he doesn’t even try to give them the benefit of the doubt (even though his only proof against him was what Wei Ying reported him, since he's the only one who used Empathy on Mingjue). I guess he’s blinded by his love for Wei Ying, but that’s pretty selfish.

Now, I want to say that I do like Lan Zhan in the donghua. He’s way more likable and seems less selfish and more focused on justice. He's actually one of my favourite characters. I don’t know about the novel, as I haven’t read it.

People hating Lan Xichen...

I also saw people saying they hate Lan Xichen, and I was shocked. How can you hate someone who has always been good to others?

People say he was too passive, but they forget that he’s a clan leader. He cannot do whatever he wants in his position; he has to put his clan’s safety first. What if he had publicly protected Wei Ying? He could have turned all the other clans against him and his own clan. (The Untamed clearly shows how dangerous public opinion can be.) It’s just like when the Jin clan wanted to kill the innocent Wen people—Xichen didn’t agree with it but couldn’t openly oppose the decision of the other clans. Also, Xichen did help a lot more compared to the other clan leaders. Wei Wuxian's own brother did nothing to help him. Huaisang, Wei Ying's former friend, did nothing either, and Mingjue was clearly against Wei Ying. Same with Jin Guangshan.

Then people say he was too naive. Maybe he was, but that’s because he believed there was good in everyone. That’s why he trusted Jin Guangyao, thinking he still had some good in him despite everything he had done. If Xichen hadn’t been like that, he would have thought Wei Wuxian was pure evil, just like the others did.

I also saw people complaining that Xichen didn’t protect his brother when Lan Qiren punished him for injuring thirty-three elders of the Gusu Lan clan. Well… The Gusu Lan clan has strict rules, and attacking clan elders—no matter the reason—shouldn’t go unpunished. The rules are absolute and apply to everyone, even Lan Wangji and Lan Xichen. Lan Xichen is someone who follows justice and tradition, so he was in a difficult position. Even though he loves his brother, he was raised to respect the discipline of the clan. Intervening would have been seen as disrespectful to his uncle and to the laws of Gusu Lan. Also, Lan Wangji himself probably wouldn’t have accepted his help. Lan Wangji is extremely rigid and committed to his own moral code. He chose to act, knowing full well that he would be punished. Even though he suffered, he accepted the consequences of his actions. And in the end, Lan Qiren holds too much authority. Lan Xichen has a lot of respect for his uncle, who acted as a parental figure after their parents died. He wouldn’t have dared to openly contradict him. However, he did support his brother afterward, helping him recover and always staying by his side. That’s just his way—he prefers to offer support in the shadows rather than openly defy the rules. In the end, Lan Xichen is a good person, but he also believes in order and discipline. He surely thought Lan Wangji had to take responsibility, even if it broke his heart. Also, he was raised by his uncle to respect the rules and was used to being punished himself, so I’m pretty sure he was scared to oppose his uncle.

That’s it! If you have a different opinion, I totally respect it. :) I just wanted to share mine!

[thatswhatsushesaid]

I'm sorry but no one is ever going to convince me that #justice prevails at the end of mdzs (even the untamed), everyone seems so freaking sad about the events that unfolded. no one is going to convince me that nhs actually found satisfaction in the way jgy & nmj are now forever just chilling in a coffin, no peace whatsoever. jgy was someone who genuinely cared for nhs and i feel it goes vice versa. Don't even get me started on Jin Ling, that child is devastated, and then having to have dealings with the man that was indirectly/directly involved with your uncles death and that even depends on if nhs picks up the slack as sect leader cause huan and jiggy were doing the work for him.

The watchtowers probably going to get disbanded, don't even know what's going on with the Nie clan, Jing lin being forced to play the role of leader so early on in his life. This was not triumphant it felt so very depressing, like damn.

i mean you're preaching to the choir here, anon, i'm in agreement with you. the only people who are happy after the guanyin temple sequence concludes are wangxian, and i think it is entirely reasonable to presume that a lot of their happiness in that moment is a direct result of getting to fuck nasty. 🤷‍♀️ good for them, i guess.

[daily-suyao]

[classygreydove]

today i came across a work with the tag "JYL bashing" and a part of me just curled up and cried

[tiredbitchposts]

Fine, this may be a conspiracy theory, but does anyone else thinks that after seeing the popularity of the non-canon ships in the scum villain fandom MXTX decided to write her next protagonist to be completely isolated on purpose? Because that has been on my mind a lot. Like, it's a fact that she hates it when people ship her MCs with anyone other than their canon love interest, MXTX wrote her first book with an MC that had a long list of people who adored him and were willing to die to protect him in-work, people ate it up, she noticed that a great part of the fandom ships her MC with basically anyone, she hates it, but no matter what she says the ships keep going, then she writes her next book. In that work her MC is a charming, popular cultivator, who suffers a terrible fall from grace and by the end of it he's lost pretty much everything from his past, except his canon love interest. Even if we take away all the love, respect and adoration Wangxian has towards each other it's pretty clear by the end of MDZS that Lan Wangji is the only one left for Wei Wuxian, everyone else is either dead, distant or just hates him

[factsilike]

You get it!

It's exactly why that JC/WQ romance angle they tried to play in cql pissed me off so much. I guess they put it in for the sake of trying to soften and pair up the chronically single JC up with someone, and poor WQ suffered for it.

Because the scene in which he gave her the comb as a proposal gift? It was a terribly offensive attempt at romance at best, and an outright threat or coercion attempt at worst. Because what he was essentially saying to her was, "I like you enough to be my trophy wife, but not enough to be bothered to save your brother or your family or, you know, repay my enormous debt to you." WQ has more patience than WWX gives her credit imo, because I would've thrown that comb in his face, along with a punch maybe.

Especially considering he was ready to sabotage WWX's efforts at saving her brother in the Burial Mounds. If WWX hadn't been carefully anticipating his movements before he struck his sword, WN might have been well and truly dead.

Also people love to say JC couldn't risk his sect's standing to help them, but then didn't WQ and WN do the exact same thing? Risk the wrath of their sect's leader to help them, but nobody talks about their bravery. Nobody acknowledges their efforts at helping these strangers at potential cost to their own lives.

But no, people will go above and beyond to make it seem like JC had no accountability for his own actions and absolve him of any blame, or that he had a million reasons for not helping them, when the truth is he has the blood of innocents on his hands with no interest in acknowledging it.

If all Wens were actually evil, Jiang Cheng would have been dead.

[jin-zixun]

you ever think about how the lan sect is disdainful of su she for "copying" them (already absurd he was a lan disciple ffs) but when faced with su she clearly playing differently they just assume he must be doing it wrong?

"he's copying us"

"he's playing a different song though?"

"no no he's just copying us wrong"

and lo and behold yeah it's a different fuckin song lmao.

...and it's a different fucking song the lan copied from someone else that's so peak I can't. like they are all like "these are our secret lan only archives" and they fucking copied it!!! I caaaaaaan't.

[llycaons]

if I ever sound like too much of a hater just remember I have this in my pinned

like first of all you knew what you were signing up for. second of all there's things to dislike about literally every piece of art ever created including things EYE am obsessed with. and that just makes the things worth loving all the more easier to appreciate. I think

[t4tadrienette]

I think some of you should take off your Wangxian goggles when talking about a scene, especially if you wanna talk about Jiang Cheng being homophobic (he is not) especially in the fucking ancestral hall scene, he was not being homophobic, Wangxian were being disrespectful and the donghua made them look even more disrespectful honestly

[incognito-lionbeast]

truly, the best things to come out of CQL are: live-action Lil Apple & the secret Lan bnuuy cave hidden under the cold spring.

[fandomspacenqueue]

#cqledit#The Untamed#Wei Wuxian#Wen Ruohan#mdzs#myedit#you know while I'm in the giffing mood then let's go#I should tag jgy here but idk if I wanna clutter the tag without him actually here#but yeah this is very much relevant to him as well#just yeah calling out the cultivation world for just jumping from target to target like it's nothing#obv some deserved and some not but that there will always be The Public Enemy Number One#and you never know if you might not be the next one#and wwx knows this all too well hah Source @zelkam

— chuck palahniuk, haunted