#cotl discussion

[divinities-hymns]

The copious amounts of money I would pay for a cult of the lamb dlc about the post-game bishops is insane, I would do anything

Also look at Kallamar 🩵🩵

The way he immediately calls out to his siblings made me feel things 💔

[pessimisticshapewithablog]

@imadethisaccountforaheadcannon

Not necessarily by someone. Just circumstances of TOWW attaining godhood and his personality leading him to do whatever achieved his goals as efficiently as possible. Unfortunately that kind of thinking isn't flexible and can lead to a sort of tunnel vision where doing anything that isn't for the purpose of a set goal just isn't done. TOWW was efficient, not imaginative. For example, The Lich from Adventure Time. When he lost his chance to erase all life in the universe, he went into an inactive state. Catatonic and unresponsive until an opportunity to continue his plan arose. TOWW might have spent most of his time outside of being a death god in that state, bored out of his mind. TOWW was always capable of not being a cold, unapproachable person, maybe it just wasn't his personality.

TOWW developed a very consistent rationale that was easy for his siblings to interpret and understand. Enough that being passive and patient became a defining trait of his. Being considerably larger and possibly more powerful than his siblings, this would have made his presence more tolerable and less terrifying. Their brother was death incarnate, controlled and precise. They knew him, and that made him less scary to them, except for Kallamar lol. TOWW didn't like it but it's just how his mind works. It's why he enjoyed interesting and novel situations, he was sensory/experience seeking. 

When he began to change and evolve, thanks to Shamura, TOWW would have become unpredictable. What was once consistent and predictable, became strange and unknowable. And scary. His growth pushed him away from his sibling and the Old faith. The Bishops might not have forced TOWW to be the way he was, but they sure as hell wanted him to stay that way…

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[presidentoneko]

btw, i forgot to mention but in my cotl save is kind of funny, instead of having a diversity of followers they're all cat

i was running out of ideas to name every follower so at this point they're all getting named after random ocs from my internet buddies

and yes, there is a Sora Maigo in the middle of my followers and i keep taking care of her like a child in the kindergarten which is funny

[harpyco]

Manta and stingers(?)

Just me making a dark stingray so it will sting skykids and drain their light. Also, I give them a retractable stinger instead of how real stingray stings.

I got two colors of them and I wasn’t sure which one is the best.

[devi-ne-intervention]

fuck it. fav basegame spirit (non-seasonal) bc they deserve more love

pls do not answer elders btw i don’t mean em

[squid-pawz]

painted over my doodle from before 2 play w colors...might be cooking...

[mightymelancholy]

You're not overeating or overthinking at all. I plan on playing Monster Road trip and can understand the reaction from I assume mostly non fans. Never have I once heard the devs on their channel or Twitter refer to the Lamb and now Goat has he/him or she/her. The fandom is very respectful and queer friendly and understands to use they/them for Lambert. The one that got upset with you just didn't want an opposing opinion. I hope the people replying to you and using the pronouns weren't bigots but just made a mistake.

But I doubt that for most. Some people probably just used their traditional mindset to gender the Lamb and began making things up. I like headcanons, some Lambs go by she/her and are called mother. Others are designed to be transmasc and have trans scara. Headcanon is perfectly fine but the people in the comments were most likely gendering them to be a cis man because in the trailer Lambert nervously sat near one of the female monsters. So, people probably assumed a cishet relationship and defaulted to Lambert "man."

Your not overthinking it, a non-binary character was being misgendered. It would be fine if it was a headcanon on Tumblr for example but to refer to the Lamb with gendered pronouns publicly could confuse people and perhaps misinform them. Not saying don't do it at all just think about that. The people using gendered pronouns in the fandom use them to refer to their Lambsona or have a queer headcanon. Most artists and other people part of the fandom are LGBTQ+ friendly (at least from what I've seen on mainly Tumblr and YouTube). Also the people using he/him for the Lamb probably had a heteronormative mindset and the pronouns wasn't in a queer way.

The Lamb is non-binary and goes by they/them (I want to it/it's for both Goat and Lamb). And the people were wrong because again I've never heard or seen the devs use anything other than they/them. Even if I missed a video or tweet neutral pronouns and "The Lamb/Goat" are the ones used most often so they/them would be the Lamb and Goat's preferred pronouns. Just like you seeing how queer friendly and creative the COTL fandom can be is pretty comforting. The Lamb is non-binary and that should be normal.

so like a week ago i watched a monster roadtrip gameplay just bc they have lambert in and i went to check the comment section just to find EVERYONE calling the lamb by he which okay, i thought that was such a weird and curious thing, so naturally i left a comment saying "the amount of people calling the lamb by he HUUUURTS" as in a funny way.

it was not taken in a funny way.

the op of the video answered me Very Seriously telling me that the devs call them by he, and so it was ok to call them by he. i was, or course, confused, since all content/mentions of the devs ive seen so far refer to them as well, them.

curious about where they got the info i answered that as far as ive seen massive monster goes they/them with the lamb, leaving it open to correction if i was wrong.

now im having a murder drones fan beefing with me for "pointing that out" like 😭 Honestly now im even more curious, i mean, ive only been in this fandom for like four months and the game is already two years old so there might be a chance that i Actually missed something on that front.

theres also the possiblity that they saw the devs calling them Lambert and Immediately assumed to go he/him on them wich is ???

a third possibility is that im overthinking this wayyy too much LMAO but nonetheless i wanted to share here.

like honestly to me theres nothing wrong with having your gender headcannons on your blorbos but 1) the lamb has been Incredibly Explicitly Stated as Non-binary almost everywhere i look and 2) that representation means the WORLD for me, for its thanks to the way the lambs gender is respected with absolute no questions in-game and throughout the fandom that i became more comfortable with myself and who i want to be, only resulting in making me feel kind of angry at seeing ppl so deliberately gendering them into what they assume is the 'correct' term djskfhkdhf but yeah i may be overreacting as far as im aware

[alterednoon]

So I was watching a friend play COTL's DLC and-

This was my immediate thought about how that shoe got lost /lh /hj

[spiderin-space]

Throwback to when I would draw Kirby gijinkas

[pessimisticshapewithablog]

Could TOWW not verbalizing this part of his 'deal' with the lamb show him as being more manipulative than inexperienced? When the lamb first meets TOWW, he tells them all he wanted in return for reviving them is to start a cult in his name. Only later does he reveal his true requirement: killing his siblings and freeing him. After the Lamb has proven themselves.

Narinder can and will hide things from the Lamb that he doesn't deem important for them to know, until it benefits him. Like him wanting the lamb to return the crown and sacrifice themselves for him. If anything it would have been naive of TOWW to reveal this plot earlier on, giving the Lamb a reason to just take the red crown and run.

TOWW knows how poweful the Lamb would need to become in order to defeat the bishops. It's likely why he banked on them being blindly loyal enough to him to let themselves be sacrificed. That's the naiveté right there. Thinking the Lamb did everything for him out of loyalty with no ulterior motives. Thinking that the lamb, who was literally sacrificed to him before, against their will, would willing do that again, by choice. Absolute goofball behavior lol. Then again his time as a god has severely warped how he views mortals and followers. At some TOWW may have lost the capacity to understand or empathize with 'lower' life forms, if he ever had the ability to do so to begin with...

The trap...

I have a theory that after the bishops were killed TOWW was technically free but wanted his crown back. So under the guise of some "final ritual" he lured the lamb into a trap. The Gateway. To get them back and have the advantage if the lamb did refuse.

While in the Gateway, the lamb loses their fleece, demons and has reduced i-frames. TOWW would have Baal and Aym to weaken the lamb if not outright kill them and take the crown back for him. The lamb would have no where to run. TOWW has been taking a great risk giving away his crown for a chance at freedom. But even when losing he always put himself at an advantage...

Jumping off the Realm Beyond theory,

But I think Narinder's general inexperience with life shows most in his deals with Ratau and Lamb. Because why is the returning of his crown not built into the deal?

I would dare say it's rather naive of him to not even consider that once a vessel grows so powerful, they wouldn't be inclined to return his crown.

It's possible he doesn't have the power at his disposal to enforce his deal in the same way The Fox can with Lamb, but even the wording of his contract leaves a LOT of room for betrayal.

"Start a cult in my name." But there is no requirement to maintain the cult. There's not even a requirement to worship The One Who Waits.

Desperate times, sure, but he's just asking to have his crown stolen--

[fanged-cotl]

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[theloremaniac]

I’m genuinely conflicted so I’m taking a gamble.

[i-eat-deodorant]

i'm sure you know this already but:

COTL ISN’T DELETING THEIR GAME.

1) in terms profit they'd pretty much shoot themselves in the foot with that decision, and as protest it's not very effective to make unity listen.

2) if they were, there would've been a much bigger announcement than a twitter tweet.

3) they confirmed they're not in both the discord and the twitter. after the deletion tweet went viral. which...ok.

4) it's probably a scare tactic to take advantage of the unity news to get more people to buy their game.

5) it probably worked.

so many people are focused on the unity issue that i don't think it's often talked about how much of a shitty pr stunt that was by the social media manager. people are fearmongering, sure, but the initial seeds were planted by that twitter post that really should've gone through some extra foresight.

hope they enjoy their extra revenue.

[pessimisticshapewithablog]

True, if godhood begins similar to the lamb's method, it makes sense that the bishops would be predisposed to more negative character traits. Actions that would be unpalatable in a domestic setting could be the difference between life and death in nature. The gods are beasts after all. We don't know how long the little gods were on their own before shamura found them. They became what they needed to survive in the meantime, although there is their base personalities to consider.

With Shamura and Heket's, reaction to whether the lambs bows to them or not, it could imply the crowns can influences the bearers temperament or has a preference for certain personalities. Meaning the Bishop's were "chosen" by their crowns because they already had desirable negative personality traits that increased their chance of surviving into "adult" godhood or were easily influenced by the crowns to express said traits.

The bishops are, for all intents and purposes, the four (five, technically) horsemen of the apocalypse in COTL's World. Gentleness would be paradoxical to their natures as harbingers of death and desolation. And yet they all seemed to take on secondary natures as benefical gods.

Shamura, knowledge

Kallamar, health

Heket, bounty

Leshy, order(?)

Granted we don't know if the bishops ever provided such boons. Pain can make mortals do anything to alleviate it, even worship the beings that cause it. But that still begs the question of why TOWW's beneficial nature was suppressed...

@imadethisaccountforaheadcannon

Narinders is a god of the hearth as well as death

I should make a youtube video about this but so far on my playthrough he is the only god with the power to give someone the most comfortable homelife. He just didn't consider it cause housewarming is never considered very powerfull cause of how feminine it is depicted as.

I suspect that's why he constantly felt like he was not living up to his true potential all the time. He couldn't even comphend his actual problems due to his legit toxic masculinity and lack of chill pill

And I don't mean the chill pill thing literally

[raviosprovidence]

To follow up on my last post i've seen a lot of people, both on discord servers and on tumblr ask if "they can enjoy Sky even with all the controversy". And I know a lot of you guys are young and/or striving to be perfect 100% of the time and i gotta say

Yes. You absolutely can.

You can 100% enjoy and even pay for Sky while still criticizing/support people criticizing the game. You're not gonna be deemed problematic or shunned or whatever. There are nuances to this discussion. It's not all on one side or all on the other. Hell, if most of the critics didn't like sky on some fundamental level, they wouldn't be criticizing it. They'd just move on to another game. Sky is always going to be there.

The only reason why i say "match the amount you pay into artist's pockets" isn't because of some Christian idea of penance or whatever (I'm jewish) but to support the artists that continually keep the community alive while get screwed over by TGC. They are our lifeblood, and they deserve both nonmonetary and monetary support as much as possible. If TGC wants to steal from them, they need to be compensated.

The only reason you should feel guilty in this community is if you're harassing critics/enjoyers. That's never okay and frankly disgusting.

[skykid-void]

The fluff is taking a bath in nesting guide's sink

No, they will not take the shades off >:(