#convo. alice

[katrinaxbeauford]

closed starter for @alicexcheng

There was long pause after Katrina finished her story, and as every second passed, it was becoming more and more clear that Alice had completely tuned her out. "You didn't hear a word of what I just said, did you?" There was no malice in her voice, just amusement as Katrina raised a hand to wave it between the other woman and the store window that Alice was intently peering into. She followed the other's gaze, trying to figure out exactly what had caught her friend's attention so fully.

[alderjayne]

I've seen a few "I'm the only normal one here" jokes since tmagp started. I disagree.

[kanjichris]

"why don't you want him to know how much you love him?" "that's a little personal. he knows." "uh-huh."

[aeriondripflame]

yes yes aegon and alicent are identical but have you considered all the green children having the exact alicent face of disgust. the textbook hightower rbf if you will

[aardvaark]

i was thinking about how i wished leverage had a birthday episode for some of the characters cause that would be sweet, but then i realised something and basically…. okay here’s my thoughts in quotes form, just for fun

hardison: so when’s your birthday? i could plan something for us and the team to do and-

parker: i dont know

hardison: you don’t know… your own birthday?

parker: no, how would i know? pshh, cmon, you’re telling me you remember EXACTLY when you were born? watch this - hey, eliot, do you know your exact birth date?

eliot, innocently passing by, who was canonically anonymously dropped off at a hospital as an infant: no, how would i know?

parker: that’s what i said!

hardison: excuse me?? what is going on right now

sophie, walking into the apartment: whats wrong?

hardison: parker and eliot- well, okay, when’s your birthday? i just have to prove something.

sophie: …….july 12th

hardison: why did you pause? wait, is that your birthday or sophie devereaux’s birthday?

sophie: ………… (guilty silence)

parker: see, no one knows their real birthday! haha you’re so weird sometimes, hardison

hardison:

hardison: what the fuck guys

[greenqueenhightower]

Alicole S2 Scene (My Imagination):

Alicent has just hastily returned to her chambers after making love with Criston. She cannot find sleep and is kneeling beside the warm fireplace, musing on her thoughts. There’s a knock on the door. It startles her.

"Who is it?"

"It's only me, your Grace." She flinches at the sound of his voice. So she’s returned to being just “his Grace” again. It was only a while ago when he whispered her name like a prayer, between breaths.

"Not now, Ser Criston. The hour is late. I must get sleep."

Alicent gets behind the closed door, her hand on the handle. Oh, how she'd want to open that door and let him in. But she restrains herself.

"I just wanted to make sure you’re alright, Alicent."

The pause that follows feels like an eternity. The crackling from the fireplace as it heats up is the sole disturbance of this midnight silence.

"I wish to wake up next to you once," he says as he presses his head softly against the door. "I've never wanted anything in my life as much as this."

Alicent's voice is trembling. "Please Ser Criston, not so loud. What's happened between us tonight can’t happen again."

"That’s what you said last time too," he now whispers.

Alicent finds a weakness in herself that she cannot explain. "No one must find out, no one," she implores him, and then whispers more softly, "Meet me tomorrow morning, at the sept."

"Pleasant dreams, your Grace," he smiles and turns around cautiously, his shadow reflected against the candlelit wall.

He is certain he hears her reply: "Goodnight to you too, Ser Criston."

[saintvainglorious]

alicent's whole life has revolved around keeping her children alive, even and especially at the cost of their own happiness. everything she's ever done, everything she's ever sacrificed - her body, her freedom, her dignity - has been to that end. so her decision in the finale is a pretty stunning reversal.

if you're gonna make alicent suddenly overcome the sunk cost fallacy and decide that she's willing to sacrifice the kids she destroyed her life for to attain personal freedom at long last - an idea that I do actually find quite compelling!!! no one else on this show deserves to be monstrously selfish more than alicent!!! - you have GOT to build up to that shit more. getting fired from the small council cannot POSSIBLY be the thing that convinces alicent "i'm done w this shit i'm gonna sacrifice my sons and escape my ongoing self-destruction". one frolic in the woods CANNOT convince me she's ready to abandon it all. alicent's woodland adventures were not nearly cool enough to be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

this is not a character arc y'all. this is a "hey wouldn't it be cool if alicent and rhaenerya thematically switched places" coming up in the writer's room and then the writers tossing it in the last two episodes rather than working towards that endpoint throughout the entire season. It's not just a stretch, it's a slap in the face.

[daily-yttd-something]

Day 195: Jod

[girl-intrigued]

You have no idea about the sacrifices that were made to put you on the throne

is just part 2 of

think about the shame on your wife , on me- you're no son of mine

which is just another version of

You are the challenge Aegon simply by living and breathing. What they know , what everyone in the realm knows is that one day you will be our king.

[katrinaxbeauford]

The woman didn't necessarily look like she was thrilled to be helping, but Katrina wasn't going to push the issue, accepting the help. "By the fountain, he said." It was one of the first things that Kat had asked Lincoln when she'd realized what was going on, and while it was nearby, Katrina hadn't seen the woman there. @alicexcheng

It's not that Alice disliked kids, it's just they disliked her. Or maybe she just appeared to look as if she was a total bitch with her bitch resting face didn't help or a kid's intuition. "Uh sure, where was the last place they saw her?" She asked as she glanced between the kid then back to the other.

[empty-blog-for-lurking]

Everytime Alice talks i want o chew on my walls (/terrified)

[sfaghetti]

[floorpancakes]

[weremadeofbadcode]

Just caught up with tmp. I think Celia is aligned with the web.

[amuhav]

     “You didn’t discuss it early on? That’s, y’know, a pretty big clash of life plans that you should know about? Probably before big feelings got involved?” Sylvie shrugged. “I let Bay know where I stood from the start, anyway.”      Loch scoffed. “We’ve never discussed it. Not really. We were just kids when we first got together. Who talks about that shit at seventeen?” He sighed. “Then when we got back together... I... dunno. We thought we knew each other well enough, I guess. We were pretty deep in it by the time it first came up. Too...”       He glanced through the archway that separated the dining room from the bar beyond, where Asher stood drinking with Bay, seemingly okay if you didn’t look��too closely.      “Too head-over-heels simping?” Sylvie finished for him, chuckling as Loch gave her a withering look. “Am I wrong?”      He sighed. “No, I suppose not.”  “So... you just... both dance around it like it doesn't exist?” “Pretty much. Uuuuuuugh. You guys couldn’t, like, space this out or something?”      “You really think that would’ve solved your terrible communication problem?”      “No,” Loch grumbled. “But could’ve given me time to...” He sighed again. “I dunno.”      “Put off having a proper conversation even longer?”      Loch glared at her. “Why are we friends again?”      “Because no one else will bitch with you about the things no one else notices—well, except maybe Alice, but she doesn’t get to come to these family events, so.” 

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[dr-george-ordell]

Page 91 of "For Your Own Good Hidden Cruelty in Child-Rearing and the Roots of Violence." by Alice Miller, 1980 - (Am Anfang war Erziehung, 1980) / Chapter 7 of "Another Time" by @imadewritingmyjob on Ao3.

Theres so much I can analyse from chapter seven in regards of Julius, and the interesting language he uses which was highlighted in this post. It's clear in Julius' speech highlighted in the post that he is both parroting his own fears about what he could be himself, a "pansy" or "weak", descriptors that Julius despises in others, and most certainly fears to be true about himself.

Alongside the quote "The child's plasticity, flexibility, defenselessness and avaliablity make it the ideal object for this projection," particularly stuck out in regards to Aaron, since in AT as a child he has a heightened sensitivity to his surrounding, compared to Franklin due to being a much younger child and also autistic, and Julius definitely did not like to deal with that further vulnerability of his younger son, hence treated him much much worse as a result of that fear and disgust Julius holds.

It also implies failure on his part to "toughen" Aaron up as well, and in his mind he is too perfect to "fail" to parent the desirable son. Instead in Julius' own mind, its soley the child's (Aaron's) fault for his own flaws, as it is believed and stated in the practice of poisonous pedagogy Miller speaks about.

And so punishment and retribution is the only way Julius expresses his negative feelings of that failure and percived disobedience/disrespect from Aaron, in the form of those training sessions, not to truly prepare Aaron from the horror's he'd seen at war, but rather punish and also discipline what Julius sees as a part of himself which is wholly unprepared, something which the older man cannot allow, lest he allow an extention of himself and also his property to be harmed in the process.