#comic: empyre: avengers aftermath

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Steve Rogers & Tony Stark in Black Tie Formal

Kevin Wada NYCC 2015 commission / Avengers Unlimited: Infinity Comic (2023) #52-53 / Empyre: Aftermath Avengers (2020) #1 / Captain America Vol. 6 (2011) #5

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Empyre: Avengers Aftermath #1

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Kate Bishop Reading List

Long ago I made myself a (roughly chronological) list of Kate Bishop comics, and I recently updated it and figured I might as well share. There are some fairly minor appearances included; just know I cut out SO MANY MORE.

Also, I don't care how minor the appearance is, if Deadpool and Kate are in the same issue then I'm including it.

YOUNG AVENGERS ERA

NOTES: This is the most streamlined segment, because I've read these through enough that I more or less remember which appearances have substance and which are just Kate's nostril on page 16.

-Young Avengers vol 1 #1-8

-Young Avengers Special (one-shot)

-Young Avengers vol 1 #9-12

-Civil War 1 #1-2

-Civil War: Runaways/Young Avengers #1-4

-Civil War 1 #3-7

-Winter Soldier: Winter Kills (one-shot)

-Captain America vol 5 #26

-Civil War Fallen Son: Death of Captain America #2-3 & #5

-Young Avengers Presents #1-6

-Secret Invasion: Runaways/Young Avengers #1-3

-Dark Reign: Young Avengers #1-4

-Nomad #4 (set during Civil War)

-Siege Young Avengers (one-shot)

-I Am An Avenger #1 & #5

-Avengers: Children's Crusade #1-4

-Avengers: Children's Crusade Young Avengers #1

-Avengers: Children's Crusade #5-9

HAWKEYE DUO/YA2 ERA

NOTES: I once tried to work out the exact timeline for Hawkeye v4 and YA v2; I've broken things up according to that timeline. YMMV on accuracy and you certainly don't have to read in that order. I in no way tried to integrate HvD or anything listed after that into a coherent timeline. Also I don't entirely remember how large of a role Kate plays in the Patsy Walker/Ant-Man issues, sorry.

-Hawkeye vol 4 #1-5, #7, #6 & #17

-Young Avengers vol 2 #1-15

-Hawkeye vol 4 #8-9; #10-13 are concurrent

-Hawkeye Annual (one-shot)

-Hawkeye vol 4 #14, #16, #15, #18-22

-Hawkeye vs Deadpool #1-4

-All-New Hawkeye vol 1 #1-5

-Gwenpool Special #1

-Astonishing Ant-Man vol 1 #1

-All-New Hawkeye vol 2 #1-6

-Patsy Walker v1 #2

-Old Man Logan v2 #2-4

-Astonishing Ant-Man vol 1 #6

-Civil War 2: Choosing Sides #2-3

-Uncanny Avengers vol 3 #13

-Civil War 2 #4-6

-Year of Marvels: October Infinite Comic (one-shot)

-Spider-Man/Deadpool vol 1 #12

KATE BISHOP SOLO/WCA ERA

NOTES: Gonna be honest, I never really tried to make a timeline for the concurrent pubs during this time, so...whatever. And, uh, I don't honestly remember how much of a role she plays in the Wasp stuff, so I included those to be safe. She's basically just in flashbacks during the Empyre stuff (Aftermath excluded) but I've included because...Young Avengers love each other okay.

-Hawkeye vol 5 #1-16

-Unbelievable Gwenpool vol 1 #14-15

-America vol 1 #1, #5-6

-Generations: Hawkeye & Hawkeye

-Despicable Deadpool #299

-West Coast Avengers vol 3 #1-10

-Season's Beating (one-shot)

-Unstoppable Wasp v2 #7

-War of the Realms: Journey Into Mystery #1-5

-Fearless vol 1 #1 (she's BARELY in this but...funky chibi Kate, yk)

-Avengers vol 8 #22

-Death's Head vol 2 #2-4

-Gwenpool Strikes Back vol 1 #3-5

-Empyre vol 1 #4-5

-Empyre Aftermath Avengers (one-shot)

-America Chavez: Made in the USA #1-2, 5

THE (MOSTLY) UNREAD ERA

NOTES: Aside from the H:KB solo, this is basically my to-read list, so it's entirely possible some of these appearances are extremely underwhelming. I did try to cut out anything that seemed SUPER light on Kate content, but that also means I might've cut some comics where she has more of a presence as well.

-Black Widow vol 8 #10

-It's Jeff Infinity Comic #1, #6-7, #9-12, #14, #18, #22, #25, #28

-Lucky the Pizza Dog Infinity Comic (one-shot)

-Hawkeye: Kate Bishop vol 1 #1-5

-Alligator Loki Infinity Comic vol 1 #13, #15

-Marvel Meow and Pizza Dog Infinity Comic #1-4

-Women of Marvel vol 4 #1

-Avengers: War Across Time vol 1 #5

-Captain Marvel vol 10 #50

-Marvel's Voices: Pride vol 3 #1

-Avengers Unlimited Infinity Comic vol 1 #58-59

-Extreme Venomverse vol 1 #5

-Women of Marvel vol 5 #1

-Infinity Paws Infinity Comic #1, #10

-Avengers vol 9 #14-16

-Marvel Mutts Infinity Comic vol 1 #11

-Blood Hunters vol 1 #2

-Venom War: It's Jeff (oneshot)

SOME ALTERNATE UNIVERSE KATES

NOTES: Only really including the ones I've read or that are on my to-read list.

-Secret Wars Journal #1 (Lady Katherine AU)

-Siege vol 2 #1-4 (Lady Katherine AU)

-Secret Wars Too (Lady Katherine AU)

-All-New Wolverine vol 1 #33-35 (Old Woman Laura timeline)

-Old Man Hawkeye vol 1 #5-12 (Old Man Hawkeye timeline)

WRAP UP

It's probably pretty obvious which comics are the most important to read (both YA runs, all the Hawkeye solos, etc) so I wanted to mention some of my favorites you might be tempted to overlook

-Winter Soldier: Winter Kills oneshot. Kate and the YA meet Bucky.

-Civil War Fallen Son: Death of Captain America #3. Clint and Kate's first meeting.

-Hawkeye vs Deadpool #1-4. I love this title so much. Kate and Clint team up with Deadpool for the first but not last time.

-Despicable Deadpool #299. That time Deadpool threatens the Hawkeyes and Kate says he wouldn't shoot her and he agrees that he wouldn't, he'd just shoot Clint twice.

And for MCU Kate fans, shoutout to Black Widow vol 8 #10 for being the only (...so far as I know) comic to place Yelena and Kate are in the same room.

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Speed- Where to Read?

Tommy Shepherd, also known as Speed, is a mutant and one of Wanda Maximoff’s reincarnated twin sons. He is a speedster and possesses a powerset very similar to Pietro Maximoff, including superhuman speed, stamina, strength, and molecular acceleration. Below the cut is a complete list of Tommy’s appearances updated as of December 2024.

Young Avengers (2005) 10-12

Civil War: Young Avengers & Runaways (2006) 1

The Amazing Spider-Man (1998) 534

Civil War: Young Avengers & Runaways (2006) 2-4

Civil War (2006) 5

Civil War: The Initiative (2007) 1

The Mighty Avengers (2007) 1

Civil War: Battle Damage Report (2007) 1

Fallen Son: The Death of Captain America (2007) 5

Young Avengers Presents (2008) 3

Secret Invasion (2008) 2

Secret Invasion: Home Invasion (2008) 3

Secret Invasion (2008) 3

Secret Invasion: Runaways/Young Avengers (2008) 1

Avengers: The Initiative (2007) 15

Young Avengers Presents (2008) 6

Secret Invasion (2008) 5

Secret Invasion: Runaways/Young Avengers (2008) 2-3

Secret Invasion (2008) 6

The Mighty Avengers (2007) 18, 21, 23-24

Dark Reign: Young Avengers (2009) 1-3

The Mighty Avengers (2007) 28

Dark Reign: Young Avengers (2009) 4

The Mighty Avengers (2007) 29-30

Dark Reign: Young Avengers (2009) 5

The Mighty Avengers (2007) 31

Nomad: Girl Without a World (2009) 4

Siege (2010) 2-3

Siege: Young Avengers (2010) 1

Siege (2010) 4

Avengers (2010) 1

Avengers: The Children’s Crusade (2010) 1

Uncanny X-Men (1981) 526

Avengers: The Children’s Crusade (2010) 2

I Am An Avenger (2010) 1

Avengers: The Children’s Crusade (2010) 3

Avengers: Prime (2010) 5

Avengers: The Children’s Crusade (2010) 4

I Am An Avenger (2010) 5

Avengers: The Children’s Crusade (2010) 5-9

Young Avengers (2013) 6-7, 14-15

Original Sin (2014) 0

The Astonishing Ant-Man (2015) 1, 6

The Vision (2015) 7

Scarlet Witch (2015) 8

Marvel Knights 20th (2019) 3

The Astonishing Ant-Man (2015) 13

Scarlet Witch (2015) 13

The Vision: Director’s Cut (2017) 4

The Unstoppable Wasp (2018) 7

Marvel Comics (2019) 1000

True Believers: Empyre - Hulkling (2020) 1

Road to Empyre: The Kree/Skrull War (2020) 1

Lords of Empyre: Emperor Hulkling (2020) 1

Empyre (2020) 4-5

Empyre Aftermath: Avengers (2020) 1

X-Factor (2020) 7-8

Marvel’s Voices: Pride (2021) 1

X-Factor (2020) 10

Marauders (2019) 23

X-Men: The Trial of Magneto (2021) 1, 3

X-Men (2021) 5

X-Men: The Trial of Magneto (2021) 4-5

Who Is… The Scarlet Witch Infinity Comic (2022) 1

Free Comic Book Day 2022: Marvel’s Voices (2022) 1

Marvel’s Voices: Pride (2022) 1

Marvel’s Voices Infinity Comic (2022) 5, 8-10

Love Unlimited Infinity Comic (2022) 25

Alligator Loki Infinity Comic (2022) 13

The Avengers: War Across Time (2023) 5

Free Comic Book Day 2023: Marvel’s Voices (2023) 1

Love Unlimited Infinity Comic (2022) 49

X-Men Unlimited Infinity Comic (2021) 100

Scarlet Witch & Quicksilver (2024) 1-3

Avengers Academy: Marvel’s Voices Infinity Comic (2024) 19, 24-25

Scarlet Witch (2024) 7

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18+ 616 Steve/Tony Discord Book Club: Avengers Weddings

On the 616 Steve/Tony Discord server, our Book Clubs alternate between reading Captain America, Iron Man, and Avengers comics. This week is an Avengers week, and for absolutely no particular reason at all, we are reading a selection of wedding-themed issues. There have been quite a few Avengers weddings in the past sixty years of comics, and we're going to read them all.

Hank/Jan: Avengers vol 1 #59-60 (1968)

Wanda/Vision: Giant-Size Avengers vol 1 #4 (1975)

Clint/Bobbi: Hawkeye vol 1 #4 (1983)

Rick/Marlo: Incredible Hulk vol 1 #417 & #418 (1994)

Luke/Jess: New Avengers vol 1 Annual #1 (2006)

T'Challa/Ororo: Black Panther vol 4 #18 (2006)

Steve/Tony: Dark Reign Fantastic Four #2 (2009)

Billy/Teddy: Empyre #4 & #5, Empyre Aftermath Avengers (2020)

Okay, yes, one of those is not quite like the others, but I wasn't going to leave Earth-3490 off the list, was I?

Seriously, these are a whole lot of fun, and pretty much all of them have Steve and Tony showing up for the ceremony. I mean, not Hank and Jan's, because Steve and Tony specifically had some "urgent business of their own" to take care of. Right. Yeah. And also not Clint and Bobbi's because they eloped about a week after meeting each other. And not T'Challa and Ororo's, because Steve and Tony could not manage to peacefully be in a room with each other and had to leave. But, you know, everything else. They also both attended Rick Jones' bachelor party. I bet Steve wishes he had not attended Rick's bachelor party. I also bet Rick wishes he, Rick, had not attended Rick's bachelor party.

One of these weddings was nearly ruined by Mephisto! Come guess which one! (One also had giant snakes, and another one also had Kang, but those two are pretty easy guesses.) If you join us on Discord you can read all the summaries I have been writing and come see a bunch of fun panels I cropped from all of these.

Come join us on You Gave Me A Home, an 18+ comics Steve/Tony Discord server!

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To catch on Billy and Teddy, read this

New Avengers (2015)

Lords of Empyre: Emperor Hulkling

Empyre(2020)

Empyre: Aftermath Avengers(2020)

Marvel’s Voices: Pride(2021-2023)

The Last Annihilation: Wiccan & Hulkling(2021)

King in Black: Wiccan and Hulking(2021)

Hulkling and Wiccan (2022)

Scarlet Witch Vol. 3 #6 (2023)

Loki v4 #3 (2023)

Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 7 #7

Guardians of the Galaxy (2020) #18

Hulkling and Wiccan: Infinity Comic(2021)

Fantastic Four v6 #42-45 (2022)

Young Avengers/runaways reading order

Bold is very important!!!!

Young Avengers #1-8 (2005)

Young Avengers Special #1 (2006)

Young Avengers 9-12

Runaways vol 1-18

Runaways Vol. 2 #1-21 (2005)

Civil war /civil war

Civil War: Young Avengers and Runaways #(2006)

Young Avengers Presents (2008)

Secret Invasion /secret Invasion (2008)

Secret Invasion: Runaways/Young Avengers (2008)

Dark Reign/dr

Dark Reign: Young Avengers (2009)

Captain America #600(2009)

Mighty Avengers #21-36 (2009)

Siege: Young Avengers (2010)

Age of Heroes #2 (2010)

I Am An Avenger #1 #4 #5 (2010)

House of M/hom

Avengers: The Children’s Crusade (2010)

Young Avengers Vol. 2 (2013)

Runaways Vol. 3 (2008)

Runaways vol 4(2015)

Runaways Vol. 5 (2017)

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The cover and a variant cover of Empyre: Aftermath Avengers (2020) #1

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Avengers (2018)

Empyre: Aftermath (2020)

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WE CAUGHT UP TO EMPYRE’S AFTERMATH BESTIES WE MADE IT

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Well, boys, that was my first outer space same-sex Jewish wedding, but I hope it’s not my last.

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Billy betraying Teddy for/against list, kind of (a.k.a Empyre Aftermath theories)

Again this is going to be based on my personal views and options/ideas I’ve seen around. If you see an idea or thought that you have discussed with me please point it out and I’ll tag you.

Points/Clues for Billy being the traitor

In Strikeforce the Vridai guy said “Like any plague, we infect the weakest. Those among you who steal, lie, cheat and backstab for your goals.”. I’m not too familiar with the other characters in Strikeforce if I’m honest but I guess at least with some of them that makes sense but can’t say it for all. However, I have no idea how that could really fit Billy, unless it refers to his magic use. Which is what made me think (and fear) that it is some sort of foreshadowing notion on his half? This is maybe the biggest hint/clue that made me wonder that maybe it is indeed Billy afterall...

He is in the last supper frame. Yeah he’s there, that’s about it. 

His betrayal would REALLY hurt Teddy. Like no-one else is that close to Teddy. No-one else could really have his FULL trust in any situation. Also others might side with Billy if this happened. Like after all he is from Earth, and possesses a crazy amount of power. Like we’ve seen what he can do, wouldn’t want to be on a wrong side of him would you?

If this ties in with the Cotati getting their weapons, Billy has the powers needed to get those weapons I suppose. But then again why’d he do that to start with? He sees that it will lead to Teddy taking his seat as an emperor? Why’d Billy want that, he doesn’t seem very power hungry himself so yeah Cotati weapon stuff kind of put some odd light on Billy when thinking who would have the power to help them but otherwise it just raises questions. 

Magneto/Wanda approval or whatever. It’s been thrown around and yeah I guess that would be an option and there is all the Krakoa business going on and it ties to Billy too. 

Ways it would be believable in any way (personal opinions)

Mind control (un-interesting imho) not even going to think who it could be but like umh it wouldn’t then even really be Billy because he wasn’t himself. Also we kind of saw that in the NA already with that odd leech thingie. 

Shapeshifting (un-interesting imho) yeah someone trapping Billy and taking his form. Who would it be, don't know, Teddy’s granny? But yeah the storyline was used just last year for the same characters so just ugh no boring, don’t do it Ewing (if he even is in control of all this)

Billy sees the possible realities and sees that only by betraying Teddy he can reach safety of someone/most who are involved in whatever conflict is going on. Or he can wipe stuff out and do some reality warping magic. Well why do it in the first place if you are just going to erase it all? Just yeah...not a good way to go imho.

If Kaplans were in danger. Like they are his family, his parents and his brothers. He’d probably do anything for them and probably only people in the world that could be equal with Teddy for Billy. Surely he’d be torn making that decision but might end up choosing his family’s side as they are in a way more vulnerable than Teddy (no super powers, no empyre etc.). They’d need Billy more and I actually think Teddy wouldn’t see that as a betrayal as such and would understand being Teddy after all. 

Honest, I personally can’t see any satisfying way of making Billy the traitor in a believable way outside the Kaplan one. Ewing really has to pull some mad man surprises here to make this work.

Why I think it is not or at least shouldn’t be Billy

It would be a bit too obvious and a boring choice in my opinion both as a writer and a reader. Would personally avoid that kind of plotline.

Yes he is in the supper frame but then again he is not on Judas’ spot or even on the same side. Had to actually google that because well not too familiar with all this bible related stuff. Was wondering though if this actually hints that those who betray Teddy are on the “Judas” side and those who don't are on the other side? Anyone more familiar with Jesus and his follower shit? Would make sense though that A.I.M guys would be behind this after all they were turning their coats and having secret plots (excluding Billy and Teddy) during the NA run as well. 

With Magneto and Wanda related ideas, not sure Billy would choose them over Teddy. Really I see Billy’s bond with Teddy being way WAY stronger than Wanda and Magneto. And honestly Billy already has a perfect and loving family without Maximoffs’ approval and all so why’d he choose them over Teddy in any world? Don’t see him really needing them at least that much that he’d ruin his marriage and relationship with the kindest creature one can find. 

As said earlier can’t really see any way it could be done well or without going OOC and being believable. 

Just a little bit too tragic trope for a gay couple to break them up after a massive wedding hype last year. 

Thank you for your attention. Stay tuned for more shitty theories of mine for entertainment. Feel free to reblog and leave your own thoughts.

You can check the following posts for previous brainstorms 1 2 3 4 (also 5 for random Teddy stuff because Teddy’s just worth it)

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steve and tony finally reaching a place where they can joke about civil war without either one having a mental breakdown that’s GROWTH

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Empyre: Aftermath Avengers #1

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billyteddy wedding(s) winning the glaad award i’m 🤧🤧🤧🤧

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Comic - Empyre Aftermath: Avengers #01 (Jim Cheung Cover)

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From Empyre Aftermath: Avengers #001

Art by Valerio Schiti and Marte Gracia

Written by Al Ewing