#character fights the erasure of canonically gay characters

[freedfromthegalactichivemind]

So, on the Ao3 Facebook page, coming across my feed was someone who had a question about getting a nasty comment on their fic: "Erasing canon gay characters is homophobia!" - their baffle was that they didn't know that the character was gay and added that they were Rorsach from The Watchmen. (I've not read the comic, just seen the film, and I was pretty sure that he was homophobic and found all love and lust viscerally repellent). Anyway, I got the stupidest mental image in my mind that I thought better of sharing on the topic, but thought that nutty tumblr might appreciate: Horde Prime hovering a giant art-eraser over Etheria and She-Ra is fighting it off with her sword. Feel free to use this any way you want, @swearyshera

[honeyviscera]

i get really tired of the vbs fanon of "oh haha wlw mlm hostility" "oh an and akito HATE each other and fight all the time" and just only focus on the vivids and the bad dogs INDIVIDUALLY when the whole point of vbs' story is that none of them could do it alone. they all need each other. and sure, in the vbs initial story the vivids and the bad dogs do have a hostile relationship, but that's before. they're a team now, and they all work to support each other, again, none of them can do it alone.

sure, an and akito banter with each other, but it's not actually malicious. they do genuinely trust and value each other. im reading the "find a way out" event story right now and akito is constantly thinking of the other three, not just toya, and how the four of them are all constantly there for each other and have helped each other improve beyond what any of them could do alone. the main theme of this event story is to show akito's growth-- how far he's come between then and now, how much allowing himself to rely on others has helped.

the point is, is that they're all friends, and they all love and trust and rely on each other. that's why it always feels so shallow when people only focus on toya/akito and an/kohane. shipping majorly contributes to this, how people only like to consider the Fun Gay Ships at the expense of the canon deep relationships these characters have with each other. and then on top of that there are fans who are hostile to those who ship either of the girls with either of the guys, which, since the het ships, in the fandom, are generally viewed as "worse" or "erasure" or what have you, it just goes to further solidify the "divide" between the vivids and the bad dogs in the general fandom consciousness. and it's SOOOO FRUSTRATING.

VBS ARE ALL FRIENDS OKAY. THEY TRUST EACH OTHER AND RELY ON EACH OTHER AND WORK HARD TO ACHIEVE THEIR COLLECTIVE DREAM. they could never do it alone and they could never do it if they didn't trust each other. toya writing his own song. vbs going camping for inspiration. vbs putting on events. collaborating with other groups. practicing. exercising. shopping. hanging out. celebrating holidays and each other's birthdays. an and akito and toya riding the train to pick up kohane. all of the event stories and card side stories are all about how much time they spend together and how much each of them want to improve for each other. they love each other. vbs love each other and im tired of popular fanon pretending they don't.

[forgottenthreads]

So this cropped up as a comment I got elsewhere and it felt like it needed its own discussion.

Straight people don't suffer from discrimination for being straight. Hope that helps

{deliberately not giving a username cause I don't want to start beef xD}

I don't know if that's true.

I have no life experience there... But I'd assume this is never true of any group, just because one group are in a majority or several groups have a plurality doesn't mean they don't face any sort of prejudice or impacts based on having any identity. There are reasons why for example being married and having children are protected characteristics a person might have.

It doesn't invalidate your own experiences to acknowledge that someone else might have their own and that those experiences might not be positive in all cases.

The above reply @ me came up in a discussion about Ace erasure within fandoms and I commented that fandoms do straight erasure too. I had limited space so nuance was neither possible in my post nor their reply.

Fandoms queerify straights too. Iirc slashfic is it's own whole genre of coupling against authorial intent.

I was trying to express that the problem is bigger than just Ace people, there's a bigger fundamental issue with people writing coupling that is against canon depiction and how the practice is far wider than just the impacts on acespec people.

I wanted to include more about how just because someone is "straight" or anything else doesn't mean that they're attracted to all the variations of humans that the term implies. A character might be straight but they can still have a type, they might be straight but might only love one or two romantic partners their entire life. They might be straight and Arospec because they can only ever love their one person. By coupling any character with someone outside of the cannon depictions it could be an act of ace erasure.

I err on Ace/Aro in all cases, unless a character says they're *identity* then they might only be attracted to the few people they fall for in the medium. They aren't necessary attracted to all xyz people either, it might only be that one specific person or a handful of people.

Just because a character is straight doesn't mean they would hook up with every person of the opposite gender if they could. There are as many varieties of straight attraction as there are queer identities.

Yet it's a huge unwritten assumption that if you're writing fanfic then shipping anyone with anyone is generally okay regardless of the cannon of the source media, the characters may be enemies or might never meet or even come from completely different franchises and it's still okay to make those ships in many cases without issue.

It's perfectly acceptable to inject any queer relationship upon any character that has expressed no identity or has only expressed attraction in a limited capacity. A character with hetnormative attraction never said they had no queer identities, and one person might make inferences others might not see so to them it's "okay" to ship even in queer directions.

There's a convention that if a character is already queer to not take that identity from them entirely. Making gay or saphic characters bi or pan isn't unheard of so long as they express that in ways that are predominantly gay or saphic. But there's often context and execution to consider for if this is deemed okay by anyone other than the fic's author.

But the pattern is at its core the same. We're all fighting the same fight to have our identity respected. And the pattern is that it's generally okay to add relationships to characters regardless of original cannon.

So now you have context back to my response to the quote that spawned this essay

I find it's often easier to get people on your side by building bridges and offering points of reference with which they share. By showing they have the same problems they might help you fight your corner, at least that's been my experience.

So the reply set off all my "making enemies for no good reason" alarms, it disregards the feelings of an entire group and treats them as a monolith of people who are neither deserving of respect nor consideration in the discussion. Completely disregarding intersectionality etc... putting them on defensive mode rather than keeping them agreeable. And I'm inclined to believe this happened due to space constraints rather than genuine malice but it did spark an essay so it clearly upset me anyways.

So now we come to the point of disclosure because I felt somewhat as though the comment was erasing my identity and assuming I was straight and so not worth listening to on this issue.

I'm Agen/Aro/Ace I want to not have my identity ignored either and I want to get people on side with the discourse. Having more people stand up and say "non canonical coupling hurts people" as a blanket statement is a good thing.

Having more people acknowledge the harms is at least a starting point.

I don't like the attitude saying "it's okay if they're straight, arospec, or if you're really clever with it." Because it erases people, but just cause I don't like the attitude doesn't mean people should stop expressing themselves so long as they're self aware about what they're doing.

And acknowledging that it hurts people doesn't negate that sometimes that hurt is resonable, having more rep for minorities is a generally good thing, most people doing the shipping can make people feel seen and happy.

On an individual level almost every act is one that has a net positive effect and is done out of love. Love for a character or a story or anything else. A fan fic here, a ship there, it all makes the people doing it happy and builds communities.

Even if it hurts to see it happen to your favourite characters no one is actually coming after you personally or your identity by wrapping a character you identify with in a cloke of their own because they identify with them too.

At the same time it's worth acknowledging the cumulative effect can be an overall negative on a group as people see the characters they frequently identify with as being stripped of their core aspects and the result is that many people feel aggressively dismissed and invalidated as though their identity would receive same treatment from the same people.

I'm also Auti/ADHD I see patterns, this is a pattern I've seen and acknowledged and it doesn't stop at fictional characters it applies to real people too, celebrities and the people you walk past on the street.

I have noticed when anyone has their identity usurped by another the people with the original identity in meatspace get defensive and hostile to the people erasing them.

Every act of unrequited love, where someone puts an attraction or implies a non existent desire to be with anyone on someone else it makes those in receipt of the treatment defensive and off put.

Repeated actions like this by a group or an individual can build resentment. If you have no respect for their identity they then become openly hostile to you as an individual and perhaps people who share your identity if the pattern repeats. Resentment builds initially about one individual but eventually to a whole community who share an identity. This doesn't just apply to us Queers defending GSRM identities.

I think some of the growing animosity and phobias that come out of those screaming about woke culture come from seeing people shout and scream that all identities are valid and beautiful while at the same time 'allowing' other people from our same group to abuse them and theirs or just ignoring when it happens because "straight people cannot be the victims of discrimination based on sexual or romantic orientation".

"they want to turn us all gay" might stem from the fact our communities don't respect the het identities of various characters. We do it to fictional characters why wouldn't we do it to real people? (Not that this explanation excuses their behaviour few treat fictional characters the same way they'd treat real people)

Human beings are at their cores pattern recognition and remix engines. We see patterns and in order to simplify our cognitive processes we put things into boxes in our own heads.

Everyone loves pizza, if I'm throwing a party that's a safe bet for a food that won't offend.

An assumption and a stereotype that's relatively harmless, and yet I and you know that people exist with Lactose or Gluten intolerance, people can be allergic to tomatoes or onions or garlic, that vegetarian and vegan people exist in the world. By simplifying the world to that stereotype it makes life easier and we aren't doing it to harm anyone intentionally. Making the conscious effort to overcome the initial stereotyping is in my opinion what separates true bigotry from a bad mistake or a poor decision.

We all recognise patterns and try to simplify our messy existances to avoid existential dread.

While remixing is the idea that most of us will never have a unique idea in our lives. We might combine things that exist in novel ways but every idea we have is built on the experiences we go through and the things we learn, read, see or hear. Remixing is how humanity progresses, how science is done, how great works of literature are produced how we practice our crafts and how we become better individuals as well as a better society on the whole.

Fandoms and the erasure of identities has costs, but it's an example of remixing and an aspect of humanity that is good to nurture even while we acknowledge the short comings within.

Acknowledging the flaws in a thing doesn't stop it from being beautiful. Acknowledging the shortcomings of an experience or an action doesn't make it invalid or of zero worth. And acknowledging that a thing someone else loves has flaws is not a personal attack on that person.

I like your story

Thanks it has pockets

Very few things in this world are entirely without impact or flaws.

Just because there are flaws doesn't imply a moral judgement.

Just because there is an impact doesn't mean that the morality is simple.

Humanity is messy, existance is messy. I wish there was a good simple solution to every problem but unfortunately that's the exception not the rule.

[flightfoot]

Thank you for AdriJule or ChaTigress recommendation! I'm happy that someone actually write about them either as platonic or a ship, the later is very rare. I'm envy those who openly say they ship them because I've been traumatized shipping a crack ship, especially one that involve a character that canonically Les or gay. It's representation erasure twitter residence said even though it erase nothing in canon. It's just scared me to this day that I can't create anything for my fav ship anymore.

Oooh yeah sure! Here are some. Also honestly I'm not too nervous about the reaction to shipping things like AdriJule or ChaTigress. The Miraculous fandom has far, far worse things to worry about. If someone doesn't like the fact that it's being shipped, well there's not a ton of it, so it's easy to ignore.

Kitty Siblings by RustyAce

“How’s it going, Adrien?” he asked, reaching over Marinette to scratch behind one of his ears. The cat hybrid’s purrs grew in volume as he pushed his head against Nino’s hand. “Good,” he chirped, his paws beginning to knead both the pillow beneath him and Marinette’s stomach. “Was gonna nap. Keep Marinette warm.” “I see,” Nino hummed. “So you’re booked for the day then?” “Yes!” he nodded, setting his head back down to nuzzle into his mate’s hair. Knowing Nino wouldn’t do anything to harm him or his mate, he closed his eyes, letting out a long purr. There was a pause before Nino spoke again. “Not even to play with Juleka?” Adrien continued to knead, but his eyes snapped back open when the human’s words registered in his brain. Like a flash, he sat up, tail twitching excitedly. “Hiss-ter?” he cried, letting out a cheerful series of trills. “She back?”

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Rainy Days by WriterRiderDirtyThirties

Ladybug and Chat Noir decide to mix up the partners on their team. This leaves Chat Noir and Purple Tigress patrolling the streets of Paris together... until a big storm rains them out.

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Roaring and Flirting by WriterRiderDirtyThirties

Chat Noir is going to be training a newbie hero: Purple Tigress! He's nervous about having to teach her the ropes. Turns out, he had as much to teach her as he had to learn from her.

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This one's ongoing, but I like it so far, and I've liked other things this author has written!

Striped Heart by kingxuppu

After Rose's passing prior to the start of the show, Juleka falls into a deep depression. No one know how to help her, but when Ladybug learns she can give a miraculous to someone to help her in a fight, she decides to give Juleka a miraculous so she'll have a kwami to help her through her own fight. Chat Noir and Purple Tigress hitting it off was an unexpected bonus.

[antisociallilbrat]

So I think sometimes shippers will get confused over what the difference between a 'toxic ship' and a 'problematic one' is and it can cause a lot of discourse.

A toxic ship has more to do with the character dynamics then the actual characters. Let me explain. It's when it's between two characters who have a tendency to argue and fight in canon and sometimes it can even be the 'hero' and the 'villian' being shipped together. Dramione is a famous example of this.

Now while the ship may be 'toxic' it's all up to the shippers how to perceive it. For instance sometimes in fanfics and fanworks they'll make the 'villain' redeemable and try to make up for their negative aspects. The shippers 'untoxicify' the toxic ship. On the flip side sometimes the shipper wants the 'hero' to travel over to the darkside with with villian. And then sometimes shippers just like the argumentative aspect of the ship and enjoy the 'toxicity' of it.

There is nothing wrong with toxic ships. They're not everyone's cup of tea sure but that's fine. You don't have to like it. Toxic ships aren't ones that would be between an adult x child and there's usually no consent issues.

Now 'problematic' ships on the other hand...they are the ones that are like an adult x child. Or shippers will disregard a character's queer canon sexuality. Like shipping a man gay in canon with a woman. Or it can be aroace erasure for a character that canonly identifies with that. Those are ships that are considered problematic in nature and approach 'pro ship' territory.

The takeaway from this is that there is a difference between these two ships. Toxic ships are honestly fine because we've seen traditional 'nontoxic pairings' be put into 'toxic' aus just because some people like the angst. You're allowed to enjoy angst in shippings and fanworks. We all know I sure fucking do. You don't have to like toxic pairings but they're not harmful while problematic ones can tend to be.

But this all up for debate and it depends on the stories and the shippers and everyone is entitled to their own opinion when it comes to shipping. As long as you're not a bully about it.

[beevean]

Shipping should have always been just a fun pastime but alas, the shippings wars have soured everyone over it. I still remember when after one certain specifically colored panel of Tangle and Whisper, some twitter lunatics went on a round saying that shipping Tangle and Whisper with literally anyone other than each other is forbidden now because it's not just "muh canon!" its also "muh rep!", with people shipping SilverxWhisper and SonicxTangle taking most of the hits. Another part of the shipping community that's becoming a slight pet peeve of mine is when they do comic page edits to "make them less straight", usually by overdoing the blushing so much the characters start looking like they are either drunk or are having a fever.

I remember that tweet. It's exactly the obnoxious "shipping is activism" behavior I can't stand. A fanart where Silver and Whisper look at each other blushing is not going to invalidate the literal lesbian flag that is in the comic. Also c'mon, as if Sonangle and Silvisper are even remotely as popular as Whispangle by now! It's the fan favorite couple! You're just lording over the superiority of your ship while pretending to fight for the dignity of real life lesbians :\

I saw the same thing in the SU fandom, a person being harassed for a joke comic where Mystery Girl made 👀 eyes at Greg pissing Pearl off. That counted as lesbian erasure, apparently. bruh. bruh you think a fanart would erase the lesbianism of Steven Motherfucking Universe? I understand fighting against misconceptions but holy shit pick harder battles to fight

(not even worth pointing out that in fandom it's massively more common to pick characters canonically straight and depict them as gay or bi. It's also not uncommon to say that a female bi character in a relationship with a woman is actually a lesbian. also i remind of that full comic headcanoning amy rose as a lesbian who only crushed on sonic because of "comphet". but those are okay :) )

[neverchecking]

Okay, this is on the subject of the anon(s?) talking about the problematic use of the term "genderbent", which i'm admittedly confused about

(i wanna preface this by saying i'm not trying to come off as rude or accusatory at all, i'm just trying to have a discussion because i'm not completely understanding their point of view here!)

I did some research trying to find what specifically was transphobic about the term, (so that could be cut out, bc it's hard to come up with a replacement term without knowing what was inherently wrong with the first one) and i didn't find a whole lot, but i did find a post which went pretty in depth on why genderbending is problematic

basically they talked about how the term is transphobic because it implies that that gender and sex are the same thing, and also that there are really only two. which is a completely valid point, i can understand that, but why would "body swap" or "sex swap" then not be okay to use?

They also talked about it being erasure of queer representation to assume a character is or was cis in the first place, which again i can understand but unless the character is canonically queer or queer coded then, i don't really get it

like no one is taking your headcanons away from you or trying to erase queer representation, people's headcanons will always conflict with others, it's just unavoidable. i don't think someone having a different character hc than you (as long as it's not them actively ignoring a canonically queer character's orientation) is inherently transphobic.

something they brought up that kind of struck a chord with me is when they invalidated the "excuse of using it for character exploration" and said "Why do you need a character to be cis for you to find their personality and life interesting to explore?" which is just the strawman fallacy. the same thing can be said that "Why do you need a character to be queer for you to find their personality and life interesting to explore?" members of the lgbt community of all people should know that someone's sex/gender/orientation does not define a person. there's so much more to a human than their orientation

but again, most of this is on the subject of why genderbending itself is bad, and not the term alone, so if you're not using it in a transphobic manner i don't see the issue with it?

Again i'm not trying to start a fight or come off as queerphobic, because i'm absolutely not! this just seems like a hasty generalization to me

Super off topic, but I find it so funny how half my blog rn is 'mmm Mystic milk mommy reader' and the other half is having this super serious conversations and discussion. This is what we call duality 😌

Anyway, back to the serious stuff. I was gonna answer this earlier but for some reason the words weren't, like, sinking in? Like I read them, and understood them, but I just couldn't piece them together? If it makes sense.

As long as we're all respectful, I see no reason why we can't have a discussion.

If you don't mind, can you tag me/send me a link to that post?

I think the problem with using body/sex swap is still implying that there are only two sexes/genders, because it excludes those that are genderfluid/ non-binary/ etc.. It's kind of like implying that gender is coin, in a way? You can only be one or another, despite it being a wide spectrum.

I ran into a similar issue to the one you bring up when I was deep in the ROTTMNT fandom. If you know, there is a heavy portion of the fandom that que that Leonardo as a MLM/Gay presenting individual, and when faced with any other headcanon, they got quite...mean, I suppose is the best word for it. I was called a plethora of names when I didn't blatantly spell out my own headcanon for him and was told I was erasing Queer representation. So I think that's where some of the problems arise, is with the erasure to start with.

Of course a character doesn't need to be Cis, or Trans, or even really human for them have a personality that people connect with. but people can find comfort in having that ability to relate with another being sharing their issues. They can find solace in knowing that what their feeling doesn't pertain to them alone and that they aren't weird, or broken, or mistaken. Not that any of you are, but I know our minds can be cruel things to us.

I think the problem with it is that, again with the coin, I'm going from one gender to the other without leaving room for any in between. Like, when answering asks, I, even unintentionally, automatically went with a Fem! Presenting AFAB to a Masc! Presenting AMAB with the ordeal when there are several identifications in between.

I'm still trying to figure it all for myself, so I apologize if anything I said was wrong!

[redheadbigshoes]

Yea Okay fuck, I'm a lesbian comic artist and I see posts like that one complaining about lesbian and gay rep being prominent all the time unfortunately but that one just really pushed me over the fucking edge. Really? Really calling it the "heteronormative of the LGBT community?"

That's literally disgusting. That's horrible. I get wanting more representation of your own sexuality but you do NOT get to tear down others for it. A lesbian character existing does not retract from characters of other sexualities at all. Like literally a single bit. It paves the way for more!!! Increases the border of an ever growing number of queer characters is the world!!!

And you're sitting here comparing it to being heteronormative. Clearly you're the kind of person who things being gay or lesbian "isn't enough". It's the same rhetoric I see when people are pushing things like mspec lesbians or some other variant for lesbians to open their sexual boundaries, because its not enough for you. Being lesbian is all the things I've been told- it's rigid, it's regressive, it's not good enough for them. Why is it a bad thing to be a lesbian?

Furthermore, it shouldn't matter if I, a lesbian creator, want to just make lesbians or like 90% of my characters being lesbian. You know why? It doesn't retract from your ability to be a bi/pan creator and make all or majority of your characters bi/pan. So instead of vilifying gays and lesbians because there's too many cartoon lesbians for your liking or whatever, pick up a goddamn pencil and put what you want out into the world. It's not queer rep musical chairs. God fucking dammit.

Sorry for the rant -🦇

And that person is acting as if the gay and lesbian rep is actually good. Most gay and lesbian rep isn’t good. Not to mention when it comes to lesbian rep a lot of people ignore what’s canon to call the lesbian character bisexual simply because the word “lesbian” wasn’t explicitly used to describe their identity.

Why do people want to fight other identities’ erasure by shitting on gays and lesbians…

[violetlunette]

Mic fits best as the beast. He's already got a built-in power: his loud screaming. The dude could be cursed with an animal form and a horrifically powerful voice that'll blast everything if he feels too excited or gets mad. Naturally, there's no support gear for him to help control this. You could give him a background as a singer and someone who loves to talk, but now he needs to stay silent to avoid too much destruction. This repression causes the rage to build up inside of him and it makes him more threatening. When he really lets all that anger out, he can unleash horrific devastation. Instead of The Beast being a furry mammal looking guy, you could have Mic's beast form have bird traits. He could have cockatiel style hair that goes up and down when he's happy. You could even keep Aizawa's erasure, to a degree. Maybe his eye trick just causes Mic's constantly active power to not work, so he doesn't destroy things. He's able to sing again, but only while Aizawa is looking at him. You'd need to give a real reason as to why Mic would want to keep someone in his mansion, possibly against their will. He doesn't seem to be the kind of guy to do that, even if his life is in shambles. Well, here you have it. Aizawa is his "cure." You could have Oboro take on the role of Gaston in this universe, who has been blessed by the gods to have cloud powers. He's intervening in what he believes to be a kidnapping. If you like Midnight, she could be here too. Maybe she also wants Aizawa, and is competing with Oboro for who captures his heart. They both have incredible superpowers and a desire to be "heroes." They set off to rescue the guy. But she learns that Aizawa's gay at the end of the story. Then she and Oboro get together, because Oboro's bi. Oboro saw that Mic and Aizawa already have a thing and he goes home. It would let you develop two romance stories at the same time and also include their friend group.

This could optionally lead to a second mission, since these are MHA characters: they find the witch and beat her until she undoes the curse. They could discover that she's cursed many more people for completely arbitrary reasons and it leads to a big fight scene where she's defeated by Mic's attack. For example, the witch turned Toru invisible because she felt she was too vain. Mineta used to be very attractive and tall, but she turned him into what he looks like canonically. They come across Shishida and he got the same treatment Mic did. In the original fairy tale, they just kinda let the witch get away with this. She had no right to treat people like this and she inflicted a cruel punishment on a child and his completely unrelated servants. I like the idea of people keeping their powers when you put them in different scenarios, since their abilities make up such a large part of who they are.

Yeah, if I make Mic the beast, he’ll have bird elements (and some cat stuff, because I see him as a bird cat personally). I like the idea of Mic not being the only one cursed but wanna do something different from the Disney version. (I’m definitely gonna try to get Class 1-A in there if I can.) Not sure if I’ll do the MidCloud pair. I don’t hate the pair, but they don’t do anything for me either, and I’m not a fan of pairing up spares just to pair them. (Though, I like BlackNight [Midnight / Kurogiri], ironically.) I agree that cursing the servants was going too far, but if you read old-school fairy tales and myths, that’s what they did; they went too far. If you irritated them in the slightest, your entire family would be cursed for generations. If you were a king, it was your kingdom. That’s why the fae were widely regarded as evil in ye days of old. Still, these are good ideas, and I’ll keep them in mind when I start writing! Thank you so much for sharing!

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Izuku: huh?

Katsuki, slamming his hand in the desk: are you single?

Todoroki, jumping out of nowhere and pushing poor Izuku against his desk: HE IS!!!! HE WOULD LOVE TO DATE YOU!!!

Izuku: what the hell is happening?

Shoto (and the rest of the Baku and deku squad) is tired of seeing Izuku staring in awe and admiration to Katsuki and doing nothing about it (because he sighs and stares and then he goes "he would never like me") also tired of Katsuki doing exactly the fucking same

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[asscrackcreed]

part 2 after the author replied i wasnt sure if i should carry on but with their unapologetic attitude ofc i went through with it

STOP WITH THE KADAR AND MASTURBATING THING ITS FUCKING GROSS WHY DOES HIS BROTHER A N D MOTHER KNOW !!!!!!!’ ENOUGH

omg kadar is 16 and maliks 19 shut the fuck up EWWWWW

ok let me explain it properly this author fetishised kadars teenage hormones why do we keep coming back to kadar wanting to have sex esp if hes a minor its disgusting theyve made a point that u can explore gross things in fiction because yk its fiction and not irl and tbh idgaf because youre telling me you enjoy reading about a minors sexual life? youre telling me you enjoy reading about a brother telling his MINOR brother about HIS sex life? defend incest if u want im not here to change ur mind about incest but if u think that u can just write about minors sexually u are fucking disgusting

a lot of talk about god but none of it relates to the story or being gay so idk not interested

DES AND EZIO KISSED. WITH TONGUE. AND EZIO INSTIGATED IT?

chapter 27^ i cant do it anymore its 3am as im typing i’ll finish the rest when i wake up

kadars only personality trait is being horny tf

adha is very religiously strict and thinks altaïr is a godless pig uhm. ok… making adha rude is very uncalled for you couldve chose to use a random woman like…. a stranger but no it had to be canon altaïrs dead ex… and altaïr says ‘i dont know much about islam’ i dont understand why some fanfic authors insist on making altaïr completely atheist, i feel like altaïr wouldn’t be religious tbfh but hed still have islamic norms and values. when we can write characters in a way the original source material doesnt why cant we include cultural and religious aspects? why do ppl try so hard to remove the fundamental aspects of islamic culture. altaïr not knowing islam just drags the story more because if he did then hed understand adha and like idk hed connect with malik more and adhas anger would be justified but here she is being an ass and assuming the worst because…? she could’ve just called him an asshole idk why she dragged religion into this its reminding me of strict religious ppl who hate the new generation so far there hasn’t really been much about the good things of islam

adhas apologising now for assuming the worst. she paints smth for him? doesnt really make sense but alright

if altaïr can honor his mum with a tattoo (which is haram but anyways) he could surely honor his dad by celebrating eid or smth or just praying some time idk the paragraph im reading is about how his grandmas not religious and his dad was a practising muslim but never taught altaïr which ok he died when altaïr was 5 fine but idk the authors very intent on making sure altaïr isnt muslim but personally if he was muslim it’d be interesting because then hed struggle with his faith and himself i mean malik doesnt seem to struggle at all so idk ig everyones different

excuse me? so we can add black fetishisation to the list as well cuz wtf was that? it doesnt even add to the story its so random and unnecessary?

uhm altaïr and adha fell in love not a lot of depth to their relationship considering this mustve been over the course of days maybe even a few weeks idk just not a lot of time as it is to uh fall in love but shes engaged so theyve left it at that still not a bad plot point ig but it doesnt affect malik as of yet which undermines this plot point but lets see what happens

leo and sofias interactions are cute i like this leo malik and sofia friendship going on

im not gonna comment on any more incest its obvious this author just has a thing for it and theres so many fics that have incest and if i was to really fight that id do it for the other fics too also i wont comment on their writing as a whole anymore the main issue here is the cultural erasure and fetishisation

these do not affect the plot in any way shape or form, yes its an old 2014 fanfic but the author seems to not give a fuck that theyve written gross things. as well as poorly write islamic characters, it feels like a ‘youre either religious or your not’ and writing things like this is harmful! youre telling readers that muslims are either very harsh (like adha was) or very sweet (like maliks mum for being okay that maliks gay) but what about the catholic side of the family? theres no indication that they’re homophobia stems from religion. also ppl think its okay to just make altaïr unaware of his own heritage and faith? yes hes not muslim per say but hes syrian? his father died young but you can choose to write about the family wanting to help altaïr keep his customs alive. its white. its so white. it makes me more upset that the author will only focus on us disliking incest rather than accept that they’re wrong for cultural erasure. youve told hs that he’s syrian and white but just added that he misses his dad. and u cant defend sexualising kadar at all i wont hear anything about that because what u enjoy in fiction is also a reflection of what you enjoy irl. if you think incest is cool you will have a natural interest of it irl theres a reflection of your interests in your writing. if for example i wrote angst you would naturally expect that i like it or have a connection to it in some way, that i enjoy somehow. but i dont really like angst i could write for it but thats from my experience and thought process. someone who writes smut doesnt mean that they’re sexually active but theyve thought about it, they might’ve done some research to it. do u see what im tryna say? you are actively advancing on your interests when you right about them in fiction, you have a connection to it. if you hated smut someone would assume you hated it irl. the logic applies here too, if you dont like incest irl and it grosses you would simply not read incest in fiction because it grosses you out. if you dont like cultural erasure and sexualising minors irl then why tf would u add it to ur fic? why would u think that the boundary fiction would allow that to be okay? and the thing is micro-aggressions back in 2014 were bad and i know that but the author having had feedback and not even acknowledging it in this day and age is disgusting. ppl say they like sass verse, i have to say the plot of it is interesting but there were so many unnecessary aspects that did not contribute or feel nice to read at all. even if someone uses the excuse that they didnt know smth about islam, i as brown muslim you can not dismiss my feelings towards the way they wrote any muslim characters.

[valenhell]

From the studio that brought you “I can’t find good Byler fics in the ao3 tag”, comes:

"The Definitive Byler fic rec list"

Literally no one asked for this but because I spent the majority of last year (...and 2019, and 2018...) reading byler fics and coping with life, I thought I’d make a list of some of my absolute favorites. 

The other day I was basically starving for some byler fics and the angel @magicalfairy provided me with some of her faves so I thought I’d do the same, because I love reading, and I love all of these fics and I appreciate their writers💗 And fic writers in general, come on!

- This is a mix of long works and one-shots/short stories. - Everything is mostly fluff with a tad of angst and a lot of internalized homophobia conflict.  - Every fic is completed, except for the ones I mention that they are not. - I try my best to lay out the stories in a way that I won’t spoil you the plot but also warning you of some stuff you might don’t like. Either way, all of these fics are correctly tagged by their respective authors/owners, so read at your own risk. For better understanding, in between brackets I denote Rating, Words and quantity of Chapters. - I feel like I should clarify, none of these are narrated in the singular first person. None of that “And I told him...”, no. 

Long fics

a dream always the same (T, 99k, 35 chapters) What happened in those few weeks between the Battle of Starcourt and the Byers leaving Hawkins. Literally a satisfying and very needed fill in of season three, with a good dose of Mike’s thoughts and conflict. Mike’s characterization is specially amazing in this one. The writing style is amazing and I know the author put everything into making it historically accurate, and it was really sweet. You probably read it, it’s by the amazing sevensided here on Tumblr🧡

Spring Break (T, 120k, 14/15 chapters) The slowburn of my dreams. Lots of internalized conflict and conflict with each other. Conflict within the Party (uhh kind of), conflict with Mike and Will. Byers family has moved and the kids are visiting! Chaos. Characterization is on point. Yeah, I know it’s unfinished, but the fourteenth chapter actually serves as a pretty nice ending. 

This is where it starts (M, 148.8k, 24 chapters) Aged up characters. The Party is in college and Will disappears again, but now it’s different. Mike knows he didn’t vanish from thin air, and the discovery he and the Party end up making is pretty insane. Mystery solving/fantasy/third dimension, throw in a bit of D&D and Mike realizing some shit, and you get this marvelous fic. It’s a breath of fresh air. The world building is definitely one of the elements that stands out the most, because it’s very nicely described, it sounds like a dream and it’s completely immersive. Absolute gem of a fic. 

there’s a Starman waiting in the sky (M, 30.6k, 8 chapters) Do I need to say anything? Will is out there living his best life and Mike realizes that wow, umm, maybe his best friend looks a bit too nice with that costume... and wait, is he getting horny? It’s actually really fun and sexy.

The Evening Speaks (T, 23k, 7 chapters) In where Mike is a late-night college radio host and Will is the art student that stays up till late to catch up with Wheeler on the Mic. They flirt through songs y’all, this one is really sweet. 

heads or tails? (E, 24k, 3 chapters) Aged up characters. I know most people don’t enjoy sex in fics and with specific characters but this one is insanely well written. It’s a slowburn that commits to the tension and with every word you are grasping and anticipating their next move. I think you can find the author here on Tumblr as yousaidyes🧡

The Man of Average (M, 56.7k, 5/? chapters) Aged up characters. No but you don’t understand, the writing here is absolute gourmet. The story is exciting as well, it’s super interesting. Weirdly enough, for being very aged up characters, they are well characterized but they don’t feel like teenagers. They are naturally Mike and Will. The author really captured Mike and Will’s essence. I know, it’s unfinished and it’s updated very rarely, but this is the typical fic you can’t believe someone just posted on the internet for free. I will say though, I think it’s definitely not for everyone. Read at your own risk.

Heartstrings (E, 82.8k, 24/? chapters) Aged up characters. By the same author of The Man of Average. A collection of memories, the road to Mike and Will’s happy ever after. And fucking hell!!!!! You’ll cry and get angry, you’ll cheer for them, then you’ll want to crash their faces together because god dammit you love each other!!! But yeah, same thing here. The writing and the way the story is laid out as a nonlinear narrative is brilliant. And I also think this is one of the best Will versions I’ve read. The author might as well be the og creator of this two characters tbh. You can find the author here as mylesimeblr🧡

Sinners behind the walls (T, 1.5k, 1/1) And because I can’t stop recommending this author, a little thing of Mike tormenting himself but also being too deeply committed to Will. 

The Red Envelope series (T/E, 167K, two completed works) Something happens that Will thought was impossible and from there, pure drama and romance. Anything by this author has the potential to become your absolute favorite fic, but this series in particular is amazing. I doubt that any of you haven’t read this, but it doesn’t hurt to put it in this list. I’m pretty sure the author is serendipitous-magic on Tumblr🧡

A New Fight series (T, 91k, two completed works, one WIP) And finally the Star Wars AU that we all needed. But this isn’t your typical “Mike is Han”, “Will is Leia” and “El is Luke”, it’s way more interesting than that, and the author has appropriated the Star Wars world like no other. I’ll admit I’m not a 100% fluent in SW lore but this is amazing to me either way. This author is also on Tumblr, tea-for-one-please🧡

- Yes, most of these are (if not all), in a way, canon compliant/canonverse/canon continuation into fanon. (In a way)

One-shots and short stories

Sundae for Two, Please (G, 4.8k) Steve being the supportive friend and older brother these kids collectively need. (not Jonathan erasure, we love him). Steve is very sweet himself, and this little cute thing through his POV is gorgeous. Yes, it’s byler.

Backstage (T, 10k, 2/2) Jonathan, you forgot to mention to Will how hot your new band’s guitarist is, dude. Now he’s hyperventilating and weirdly flirting with him in the corner. Background Stonathan because why not.

102 Peach Street (G, 3.8k) Established relationship, but not only that, they are married :’’))) PURE fluff. Extreme fluffiness. Diabetes. 

sweatshirts and bottled up feelings (T, 3.2k) Or, Mike thinks that the sweatshirt Will wears looks insanely good on him. And kitchens are for lovers. 

kiss it better (T, 16.3k) Basically one of the best character studies of a few precise moments of Mike and Will’s relationship and feelings. 

will wonders ever cease (T, 11.3k) #i ship will and happiness. Omfg what a beautiful piece of fanfic. Will centric, this kid really deserves all the good in the world.

The Calm After the Storm (T, 1.6k) Tooth rotting fluff, boyfriends in love. Boyfriends being lazy, cuddling, love words, kisses. Boys loving each other’s company... Basically, Mike and Will in their element. What more can you ask for?

neither of us ready to let go (T, 4.8k) That scene from season three, but a bit of a fix it. 

Still in love (G, 1k) Domestic, married life au fluff. Y’all, I’m a sucker for established Byler, even if I can’t find many fics with it. But this is very sweet. It takes place in 2020, but I don’t think there are any mentions of the COVID-19 crisis that I remember.

I Nver Find Out ‘Til I’m Head Over Heels (G, 12.5K) Classic 5+1 fic. If you haven’t read it, where have you been? This is your moment. In where Mike keeps inviting Will to the school dances and Will thinks it’s just a joke until he realizes it’s not. 

Before You’re Gone (T, 5.9k) Will is leaving Hawkins and Mike thinks this is a great moment for a confession. This one I discovered last friday, thank you friend @magicalfairy 💗

You’re weird Wheeler (M, 4.5k) Mike unintentionally starts a tradition of going to each other to talk about their sexual encounters just after they finish. Will keeps getting more explicit with the details he shares, and he makes his best friend interested. This one is really fun y’all.

Out-Of-Town Friends (N/R, 4.6K) It’s not rated. I haven’t re- read it but I’d say it would probably fall in a T rating. So cute!! Will has new friends and sneaks off every friday and the Party doesn’t know where he is going, so Mike decides to follow him and is surprised. 

Snowed Under (G, 1.3k) By the same author of The New Fight series. Mike is spending christmas by himself in college because a snowstorm hits Chicago and Nancy can’t drive to see him, but then he has a surprise visitor. Ahhh just a lil sweet holiday fic. Super cute. 

you love me anyway series (T, 7.1k, three completed works) Literally just the cutest thing ever. Established Byler. Will loves to take pictures and he loves taking pictures of Mike. It’s adorable. 

you wanna be friends forever (i can think of something better) (T, 9k) This one is so amazing. So. Amazing. From Will’s POV, my kid deserves the world and he gets it. 

okay not to be okay (T, 4.9k) Mike is a bit sad but then everything is okay. 

can’t hold out forever (G, 18.4k) Y’all!!!!! 5+1 sweetness. Mike has been falling in love since kindergarten. And it’s long af, you’ll enjoy it. 

even if it takes forever (G, 1.3k) College short AU, they miss each other, they love each other, they promise all to each other. It is sappy y’all.

clear as day (N/R, 18.4K, 4 chapters) It’s not rated, but I’d say it falls in the T category. Strangers to friends to lovers. And also, everyone is pretty gay; we have our dynamic trio Mike, Max and El as disaster lesbians (and gay). Will works at the library and he is also gay. Lucas and Dustin and Will are the best friends we needed. It’s very sweet and the Party is kind of formed here!

I went overboard with the one-shots, so you must have realized how much I love long one-shots and I favor them over long works lmao but they are all amazing!!! If it’s on this list, I probably read it at 2 am, sobbing in my bed. So. Hope you enjoy it☺️🧡

[bobnewbyenjoyer]

expanding, we behold multitudes

rating: mature chapters: 5/? (20k+) relationships: billy hargrove/steve harrington, will byers/mike wheeler characters: billy hargrove, steve harrington, will byers, mike wheeler, the party, bob newby, robin buckley additional tags: post-season/series 04, series 02, season 3 erasure (no russian subplot), time travel, alternate universe - canon divergence, story begins at the end of season 2, internalized homophobia, implied/referenced child abuse, drug use, suicidal thoughts, gay panic, bob newby lives, billy hargrove fights monsters, vecna's curse, fighting monsters (but the monsters are homosexuality), slow burn, character study, alternating POV (between billy and will), emotional repressed king (billy) meets emotional fragile baby (will), byler in a 'i hate s4 mike wheeler' kind of way

The silence in the car becomes unbearable. “Hey kid,” Billy tries. “Where you from?” “The future,” she replies. Okay, so she doesn’t wanna talk. “Right, got it.” Except he desperately needs something to distract him. “Like distant future, or…?” “A year and a half,” she says. “Maybe more.” “Damn,” he whistles. “Future any good?” “No," she says. "Everyone dies.” “Sounds rough.” “Yes,” the girl agrees. Doesn’t seem to be much of a talker, huh? Playing along, he considers asking whether he dies as well. Being dead doesn’t sound too bad right now, but that’s probably not the thing you tell a ten-year old kid you just almost ran over.

~ read on ao3

[prying-pandora666]

We are talking about two different things and fighting for no reason. Can we come together and parse this for a moment?

I think everyone here can agree that everyone is welcome to their own head canons and ships and to enjoy the materials however they see fit.

I think the complaint isn’t about people headcanoning characters as gay, but rather that there are parts of the fandom that will slander/libel you as homophobic or even say you deserve to die just for shipping specific characters as straight. Even the canon ships!

For example:

There’s nothing wrong with head canoning Azula as a lesbian or rooting for her to be. But when you call others homophobic for not agreeing? There’s a problem here.

The show gives us canon scenes of Azula showing attraction to Chan, who is a boy.

The novelizations strongly imply she may have a crush Sokka.

Azula in the Spirit Temple shows us that Azula’s ideal world involves a cute boy complimenting her.

I welcome lesbian Azula fans to write their own ideas to explain this away if they wish, but is it fair to deride and accuse others of homophobia simply for wanting to adhere to canon?

But it gets even worse when it veers into actual wishes for harm to befall people who ship Azula (or sometimes Zuko) with the opposite sex.

Those Spanish tags openly call for the murder of Zutara and Sokkla shippers. “Maten” means to kill.

With this in mind, I think it’s easier to sympathize with why some fans get defensive and double down on the fact that canon did depict these characters as straight. Not because they hate gay ships—in fact many people have gay ships as well as straight ships for some of these characters—but because they’re trying to fight against these accusations of “erasure” and “homophobia” when in reality that isn’t what’s happening.

Ship what you like, but please don’t wrongfully accuse people of hate just for preferring different ships, and certainly don’t call for violence.

Can we all agree there?

Idk who needs to hear this but no one was gay in a 2005 children's cartoon that aired on Nickelodeon.

[yourstargazing]

aight lets talk.

Gram having the hots for Eugene changes nothing about his queerness. I personally don’t think he likes her but that he’s projecting, but let’s say nah. Let’s say he’s like “damn she fine”. 

This is NOT gay erasure. That is such a flaming hot bag of shit bad take. Gram is canonically bisexual. He dated Nuch. Him changing interest from Black to Eugene is perfectly fine, and in a show with this much queer rep, is actually a pretty nice bit of bisexual rep, which is currently entirely missing from the show.

You can’t call it ‘gay erasure’ when the show is inherently about a group of queers fighting against capitalism, directed by a queer person, with multiple queer people on staff. The whole show is gay. Having a character have a bisexual meltdown is also queer.

stop being biphobic. stop treating mlm like they are sacrosanct. 

also consider: polyamory is a thing and also inherently queer. 

[hematomes]

WHAT. THE. FUCK.

As a lesbian, I would like to speak on that bizarre rant if I may. This is gonna be long. CW for mention of s//icide.

Yaeyato shippers, or any m/f shippers for the most part don’t just ship m/f ships to be lesbophobic. Myself along with many other lesbians actually quite enjoy some of the m/f ships in Genshin, and were actually talked over—by non-lesbians—when we stood up for the m/f shippers being harassed.

It’s incredibly insulting to compare someone shipping two characters with undefined sexualities to ‘oppression’. The ship is legal, the characters don’t have canon sexualities. Oppression is not seeing a ship you don’t like.

It is not lesbian erasure if the character isn’t canonically a lesbian. Yes, it’s a popular head canon with Yae, but that’s all it is, a head canon.

The anon tried their best to brush over the fact that a lot of m/f shippers have been being harassed—“the w/w shippers who SENT THREATS ‘had good intentions’”. Take it from someone on Twitter, threats are the very least of what m/f shippers get. The yaeyato tag was spammed with irl gore, nsfw, and s//cide baits. A few artists had their art “fixed”, too. I’m not sure how sending death threats and spamming tags with gore can be counted as “good intentions.” I very much hope you don’t condone the harassment. I’m ashamed of every one of these freaks who thinks

How can straight people “take” the characters? Everyone can and does enjoy the characters in the way they like. Through shipping, whether it be gay or straight. Once again, NO ONE in Genshin has canon sexualities.

I guarantee the people who like Ittosara and Jeanluc purely to be lesbophobic are few and far between. They’re cute ships, just as cute as Jeanlisa or Sara x the shogun. Also Jeanluc is my jam, so fight me. I can’t speak on behalf of bi folks, but a close friend of mine who is bi loves IttoSara and went through hell for it, so I could be wrong but there seems to be a bit of biphobia in the mix as well from what she told me.

I’m getting tired of people comparing ships they don’t like to oppression.

The ‘representation’ caters to no one and everyone, since no one has defined sexualities.

“It’s stupid to compare death threats to oppression” no, it’s stupid to send gore and death threats to people over a ship. If you think someone shipping something that goes against your head canon is oppression, then you sure are privileged.

I apologize if this is aggressive, but that post made me SO FUCKIN MAD. I love representation as much as the next lesbian, but this ain’t it. Harassing, doxing, threatening, all because of a character who’s not even confirmed to be a lesbian?! I’ve seen the argument that Yae is based off of a lesbian honkai character, but this is a completely different game. Yae can be straight, lesbian, bi, pan, ace, as can all of the Genshin characters, because none of them have confirmed sexualities. People like this just make us look bad.

Yes there are some lesbophobes who ship m/f ships, absolutely. Some of the stuff I’ve seen is revolting. But honestly my heart goes out to anyone who experiences harassment over perfectly fine ships. I really don’t think it’s fair to say m/f ships exist to spite us lesbians or wlw shippers. From what I’ve seen yaeyato shippers and any ‘straight’ ships get a lot of hate, and comparing a freaking ship to oppression? Touch some grass, Anon. Bottom line, both wlw and m/f shippers are always getting harrassed by each other and I’m so fucking sick of it.

Ship IttoSara. Ship KokoSara. Ship JeanLisa. Ship Jeanluc. Ship Eimiko. Ship YaeYato. But FOR THE LOVE OF EVERYTHING UNDER THE FUCKIN SUN stop comparing harmless ships to the oppression we face. Trust me, we have much bigger issues to worry about than a ship not being gay.

Once again the rage is targeted at that freak who made the ask. I’m very thankful to you for being a good ally and refraining from speaking on our issues.

—🍓

i am simply gonna post this for exposure, im glad you took the time to write all of this /gen thank you very much

(edited bc i put the wrong tag like a dumb fuck)