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toastspirit Ā· 8 days ago
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this is going to sound incredibly whiny but. thinking back on it i feel like.. my current issues with emotional regulation at least partially comes from how my parents reacted to my outbursts when i was younger?? when i was younger, when i was doing particularly badly that could manifest more.. angrily. or cold shoulder-y. and! when my parents punished me for stuff like that! they just saw it as disrespect which!! i understand makes sense!!! but i dunno i was arguing with you or asked you to wait or whatever because i was not doing well. not because i was a piece of shit that hated you or didn't respect your authority or whatever!!!! or i was angry because i didn't understand why you were forcing me to do something and you refused to explain because i was a kid, so i should just mindlessly obey!!!!! not to say that i was a perfect kid (always struggled to follow orders if i did not understand them. although i think everyone deserves explanation but whatever!) but i was usually desperate to please them. these outbursts of anger were kind of infrequent because!! i tried to appease them until i couldn't handle it anymore!!!
so like. not saying that they were completely wrong or whatever, but it would've been nice!! if they cared about the root cause of my behavior at all!!! before i learned to direct all my anger inwards!!!! it did make me less of an annoyance, and it probably made me more tolerable to be around, but it made me incredibly miserable!!!! i can't live like that forever!!!! my life would be quite short if i tried to do that for several more years!!!! also now they expect me to openly tell them about my emotions which is very funny. you don't overwrite years of being an unpredictable source of support (or a nonexistent one entirely) with a couple words!!!! that window of opportunity is long gone! and whenever i start thinking that i can trust them, it blows up in my face again! :D so i've learned! to never trust them with anything more emotionally tumultuous than "my classes are stressing me out :/" but it also sucks because when i'm doing horribly i can't just tell them. they don't understand at all, so they think that im brushing them off because im lazy or whatever. oh well! they can't handle emotional discussions without thinking something is wrong with me (which is kind of right but i dont like how they act on it), blaming me, or blaming themselves and claiming that they're awful parents ^w^ so i just! won't say anything!!
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madisoncounty Ā· 10 months ago
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"and then you look at it, and it looks... otherworldly. this is denis. he just creates this shape. it's not perfect. it's timeless. it reminds me of... do you remember arrival? you know those big alien creatures? that's the shape." ā€” rebecca ferguson in an interview with hollywood insider
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uncanny-tranny Ā· 1 year ago
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I think it would really benefit people to internalize that mental illnesses are often chronic and not acute. Some of us will never be able to jump the hurdle of managing illness, much less sustaining a sense of normalcy. Many of us will never "recover," will never manage symptoms, will never even come close to appearing normal - and this is for any condition, even the ones labeled as "simple" disorders or "easy-to-manage" disorders.
It isn't a failure if you cannot manage your symptoms. It isn't a moral failure, and you aren't an awful person. You are human. There's only so much you can do before recognizing that you cannot lift the world. Give yourself the space to be ill because, functionally, you are.
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nanihirunkits Ā· 10 months ago
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WILLIAM JAKRAPATR as THAME and EST SUPHA as PO in Thame - Po 惻HEART THAT SKIPS A BEATĀ (2024ISH)
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bizarrelittlemew Ā· 1 year ago
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calling it right now that season 3 starts like this
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lizzybeeee Ā· 2 months ago
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THE ENTIRE DRAGON AGE AMA IS A DUMPSTER FIRE
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They avoided all the high-rated questions with genuine criticism (not blind hate!) and went for questions that were safer and allowed them more leeway. After that awful IGN article and that treatment of Davrin...God, just put it down. I have no faith that BioWare will be able to continue Dragon Age or Mass Effect with the respect it deserves.
Edit - They had an opportunity for genuine discussion with fans who were concerned/unhappy with the way Veilguard was -> people unhappy with the story, the marketing, the lack of 'RP' options in an RPG, etc... Instead they just doubled-down even more, avoiding those critical questions, with no real acknowledgement that fans have very reasonable problems with this game.
Some Highlights & My Initial Ramblings Below:
The Executors
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"They attempt to manipulate events in the most subtle way they can manage."
So, very clear that they're not simply observers of what is happening in Thedas: they're manipulators...
"Magical Illuminati Confirmed! Lizard People Did 9:30 Dragon!!!!"
All that complexity of character -> his hatred of Orlais, his experience as a general, his relationship with Cailain, and the influence of Howe...all diminished. Any influence from a shadow cabal is too much influence - all the humanity of Loghain's choices/consequences...God, what a waste.
Not to mention what this does to other events/characters in the series -> they imply they've been intervening as far back as the magisters breaking into the golden city. I do not find this compelling! At all!
2. Solas and the Executors
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Oh my god, he sounds like such a fucking Mary-Sue I'm so sick of Solas at this point -> "Actually, I know more about the Executors than anyone alive - not even the rest of the Gods know as much as me."
("I'm also, like, an Ancient Elven God, I'm responsible for the Blight and the Veil, and I kind of locked the Gods away cause they were evil - but, like, I'm really sad about it. Also the Herald of Andraste thinks I'm cute <3")
<- Previous comments: massive oversimplification, obviously
But I miss the days when not everything was about Solas. It removes so much interest and wonder in this world when the fucking egg is behind it all. I loved him as a character in DAI and now I just feel this bone deep tiredness when I see his stupid face.
Don't you dare threaten to bring Gareth David-Lloyd back -> keep him away from this mess!
3. The Fate of the Rest of the Evanuris
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Yay. I'm so looking forwards to "The Return of the Elves: Electric Boogaloo 2" - it was done so well the first time!
"It was the elves all along!"
The only character with any potential to be interesting is Andruil*, but how they handled all this lore was done so shallowly and so poorly that I find it hard to give a damn anymore. Not to mention that the game literally mentions Ghilan'nain mourning Andruil - so is this a retcon/redirection/or have you confirmed that one of the most interesting members of the Evanuris' is dead?
*interesting in that she's established in lore to potentially have a tonne of really cool things attached to her (the void armour, the great weapon she has etc...). The rest of the evanuris are nowhere near as well established as she is.
4. Southern Thedas, Sociopolitical Issues, and Future Games
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NOW YOU WANT TO INCORPORATE GEO-POLITCAL EXPLORATION?? You avoided any meaningful discussion like the plague in DATV but now you're acknowledging it?? OkaY. okAy.
They couldn't even give us the long-term ramifications of the mage/templar war how the hell am I supposed to believe that they will be able to pull off 'elven gods are real' etc...? For a game series that totes : your choices matter -> they have not proven that they have been able to show that in a meaningful way. They literally cleaned the slate with this game to avoid doing that.
So, what, does that mean that the Veil is never going to come down now? Or are you going to have the entirety of Thedas build themselves up again just to have the Veil fall and send things into chaos once more?
What a fatalistic, miserable outcome for Thedas -> why the fuck would anyone bother to live in Thedas if you're going to keep throwing meteorites at them? By all means, change/conflict has to happen for the series to move forwards...but this is just so miserable at this point.
(The Elder Scrolls, at least, gives people room to breathe between crisis' or sets them up in different areas of the world! Bethesda treats past installments/your decisions with greater respect than DATV does.)
Even, then, if the Veil remains up, that means that the spirits are just trapped in the Fade being miserable for the rest of existence. The entire series has been humanizing spirits, from Justice to Cole, and now they're just throwing in the towel? I guess they can stay in the fade now! Problem solved!
What do you mean the Evanuris are not a threat anymore? IN A PREVIOUS QUESTION YOU LITERALLY SAID SOME ARE STILL POTENTIALLY KICKING AROUND THE BLACK CITY?
Weakened, sure, but Solas was 'weak' in DAI. You're giving yourself an out if you decide to go back to the elves again. Please do, I'd love more content on how the elves alone fuck everything up!
5. More Southern Thedas, the Chantry, and Tevinter
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Thanks for the confirmation that things in the South are so fucked up that they have to work alongside the 'Slave Capital' of the known world to rebuild!
Slavery was one of the biggest things that caused a rift between the north/south chantry system -> one of the reasons why there were exalted marches -> a uniting belief in the south is that slavery is fucked. They didn't address slavery in DATV - what hopes are there that they will do so effectively in a future game?
Don't tell me that Dorian fixes everything off screen either -> either he solves slavery off-screen or the south is being forced to work the slaver-capitol because their land is nuked and they have no ground to stand on.
I'm so thrilled.
6. Solas and the Idol / The Blight
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I will never get over Solas fucking curing the Blight off-screen and no one asking questions/giving a shit. Hello?? The Hero of Ferelden would like a word with you???
So the Blight is calcified in Minrathous, at least, but everywhere further away is still fucked! Once more, the South is doomed to suffer from the long-term effects that regular blights have -> not to mention the red lyrium (which still exists according to the AMA) across the south.
I don't care; it's lame. It's a lame way to conclude the blight and I hate it. This game did not earn 'cure the blight from thedas' at all. You could have had us learn how to soothe a titan and see how that can diminish the blight but you did it this way.
Another 'magical ritual' because Solas has such a good track record with them lmao.
7. The Agents of Fen'Harel / The War with the Qun / The Crows
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Turned him against the idea of being a leader???!!
Fen'harel's Call to the Elven People After the events at the Winter Palace, elves left the Inquisition under mysterious circumstances, as did elven servants across Thedas. None could say where they went, but those who believed the Inquisitor's story about Fen'Harel wondered just how large the Dread Wolf's forces were... and what the ancient elven rebel had planned. This is from the Trespasser Epilogue, Epler!
Your concept art for Joplin literally had him as a leader of a faction of elves. Just be honest that it's a retcon and you changed course - don't try to save face with this reasoning.
About the Antaam: "We needed some big mindless bad guys to fight and so we did this because we didn't want to address the Qunari War/Invasion we set up in Trespasser".
You had to canonize Sten as being alive and Arishok in order for this reasoning to work -> you didn't even come up with an alternative Arishok to take Sten's place.
Yeah, the exchange that set up the Crows we see in the game as "idealists" did not make the game. I can confirm that!
I'm sorry, "Caterina kept Illario in check?" as in, 'kept him an idealist and not the usual Crow'? The woman that beat him with a cane and starved him and his cousin to train them as Crows. Fuck off.
lmao -> tell me you're coming up with this on the spot without telling me that you're coming up with this on the spot.
8. World State Discrepancies - Isabela
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Outright ignores the very real criticism about the marketing from this game and World States.
"there are absolutely places where we unintentionally suggested there was a hard canon (...that Isabela is always assumed to have joined Hawke's party.)"
Unintentional?
Excuse me, you have her talk about Merrill and the Kirkwall Crew as family - that was not unintentional in the slightest. Not to mention Sten, Blackwall, Sera, and Cole are canonized as being part of your world state no matter what.
You had a story you wanted to tell - one that only fit a few world states - and you went ahead with it and disregarded those choices. Don't try and lie about this all being a big misunderstanding.
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Edit - They could have taken the opportunity to address the very reasonable criticisms that people had with this game but they cherry-picked questions and avoided/minimized anything remotely critical.
They could have provided us some insight into the game development time but each time they approached the topic they settled for "we're happy with what we delivered and it was well optimized."
They had an opportunity to acknowledge that people were bothered by the handling of the lore/stories (to potentially mention they could course-correct/ rethink their plans) but instead they doubled down on everything that they did and even 'justified' some decisions. They doubled down on the Executors, Solas's changing motivations, the destruction of Southern Thedas, and the elves/Solas being at the heart of everything etc...
This AMA basically confirmed that the only reason they did what they did to the south was for a reset -> It's not a compelling or fulfilling narrative to have everything we've done reset back to ground zero off-screen. BioWare games differentiate themselves from other RPG's by their import system from previous games - it was compelling and exciting! With DATV they set the expectation that BioWare can outright throw out entire games worth of choices/build up, not solely retcon them.
Justifying your choice to water down the lore/world of your story by saying you'll address it in the 'next game' does not instill me with confidence, BioWare! It doesn't explain that lack of it in this game either!
They avoided every question that, rightfully so, pointed out the misleading comments made by devs in the pre-order period of the game:
the fact that there were only 3 imported choices from previous games was leaked by a reviewer -> BioWare was vague from the start about choices
that this game was the most 'romantic' in the series
that world states/ headcanons wouldn't be disrespected
that there are 'lore' reasons for bad darkspawn design
that there are lasting, impactful choices/consequences to be made in this game
that the lore/world was not watered or toned down
that companions are deep and you can disagree with them etc...
BioWare's behavior towards their customers in the lead up period to this games release was downright scummy. I absolutely felt misled after playing the game for myself and recalling what I read in interviews put out. While EA is undoubtedly poison, you can't hold them solely accountable for this.
I feel for the individual developers who worked on this in what was undoubtedly a toxic environment from EA - but I feel that it's pretty clear that BioWare itself has a lot of problems within and in their leadership/executives. Working for EA does not give them an excuse to mislead their customers.
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I already had a very grim outlook on the franchise from the end of DATV but this literally look my interest out the back and sent it to God. What a disaster.
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palskippah Ā· 22 days ago
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Hi!
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teaboot Ā· 5 months ago
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Ah yes, the natural human urge to go on a deep dive research bender over a fictional character someone has compared you to, complete with psychoanalysis and aesthetic evaluation in order to determine whether or not your Vibe is optimal
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poirott Ā· 2 months ago
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In Conversation With Benedict Cumberbatch ā†’ Red Sea International Film Festival, December 10 2024
Source: ScreenBox on Youtube here and here
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kittenscookie Ā· 1 month ago
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You've heard of Percy and Annabeth falling into Tartarus
Now get ready for *drumroll sound* Percy and Epic!Poseidon falling into tartarus (or maybe just percy falling into tartarus and Epic poseidon getting isekaied into pjo tartarus for the plot?) Where instead of Annabeth being the voice of reason stopping Percy from going too far, Epic!Poseidon's just egging him on the entire journey
NAAAAAH DON'T JOKE LIKE THIS!
Cause Percy's gonna go in there like normalā€”as a relatively well adjusted young man all things consideredā€”but he's gonna come out with a bloodlust and a thirst for violence. Fuck poison, he's coming out that bitch bending blood AND ichor like that fucked up old lady from The Last Air Bender!
DON'T EVEN JOKEā€”!
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irenespring Ā· 3 days ago
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Fellow progressives: do not spread images with the red triangle
Possibly stepping on a minefield but what the fuck. Someone I follow just reblogged someone celebrating the Hamas red triangle and the post is full of notes saying people calling the red triangle antisemitic are just against Palestine and are colonialists.
This has also happened before with a mutual so it seems like something non-Jewish people just might not know: the red triangle---unlike symbols such as the Palestinian flag and the watermelon---is explicitly pro-Hamas. Not pro-Palestine, pro-Hamas. Hamas is the organization that singled out civilians rather than actual military targets in order to kill the largest number of innocent Jews possible. They committed mass atrocities ending in the largest slaughter of Jewish civilians in one day since the Holocaust.
You cannot be pro-Hamas without being antisemitic. You cannot spread Hamas symbols without having done an antisemitic action. So, don't spread the red triangle. It isn't pro-Palestine. It just makes your Jewish mutuals upset and uncomfortable around you.
#If you are the person that reblogged that image and do follow me---just delete the post#it's an easy enough mistake to make#i/p#israel#israel hamas war#politics#hamas#antisemitism#the red triangle#what makes photos of protestors spray painting monuments with the red triangle antisemitic is not the spray paint#it's the triangle#so claiming people upset about progressive blogs spreading the images and cheering is not just people mad at anything pro-Palestine#it is because that specific symbol celebrates not Palestine but the murder of Jews#and Jewish people don't like people celebrating the murder of Jews#because we are Jewish#I don't think it is too much to ask my non-Jewish mutuals to avoid this ONE THING#but anyway wish me luck everyone because ooof might be rough#nothing summons the antisemites like trying to educate people about antisemitism#I suppose it is too much to hope for people to just not be antisemitic#or for my miniscule follower base to mean I get no notes#dear antisemites---at least be interesting#I've gotten the standard antisemite shit before and it's quite frankly boring#Anyway I will blocking at the speed of light#And if you are being a special enough asshole I will remember you as one of the asshole enemies I got by being correct and not taking shit#and your attempt to upset me will only make me stronger and more powerful and more awesome to the people around me#this is maybe a good test for people who say they don't hate Jews: if this post makes you super mad#and makes you want to say antisemitic things at me and accuse me of just being an evil Zionist (read: Jew) and melt down#maybe take a moment to sit with that and consider whether you are harboring some internal biases against Jews#this is why some people who are like ā€œfellow leftists check in on your Jewish mutualsā€ after Elon ring hollow#because if I see you reblogging the red triangle I will have a VERY hard time believing you when you say you care about antisemitism
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angelsdean Ā· 4 months ago
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The stuff Sam says to Madison regarding her abusive ex is pretty vile and it's made even more gross by the fact that it's clearly written with the intended perspective being that Sam is just such a Good Guy but like he's basically saying abuse only happens to Certain Types of people and that Madison seems too good to end up with a shitty guy.
SAM [smiles, nods]: Okay, umā€¦ well, youā€™re ā€“ you're clearly smart. I mean, your house is full, is full of great books, you know? And youā€™re independent ... MADISON: Uh-huh. SAM: What were you doing with Kurt? [...] MADISON: [...] You wanna know why I stayed with him? Really? [He nods.] I was too insecure to leave. SAM: I find that hard to believe. I mean, you donā€™t really seem like the type.
.....he's literally like, "you're so smart and independent (and exactly MY type -- she has a house full of great books ! ) and smart independent people don't end up with abusive partners. This would only happen to uneducated insecure idiots and you don't seem the type (you're a hot girl after all)."
like literally wtf ?? anyone can become the victim of abuse. And as Madison literally tells Sam, it's not like abusers simply "introduce [themselves], like, 'Hi, Iā€™m possessive and controlling and I like to punch people. Wanna be my girlfriend?'" And Sam literally just laughs this off and then says, "Yeah, well, I guess we all make mistakes." As if it was just an oopsie blunder on Madison's part. Like ????
Anyways if we wanna talk actual "normalized early 2000s casual misogyny" it's more this shit that's actually harmful than the writers making them say shit like "bitch" and "skank" at demons in the early seasons. (Which, for people who care about that stuff and like to act like it's only a "Dean Crime" and not a symptom of early 2000s television, Sam literally calls a woman a bitch while he's watching a soap opera with Madison in this very scene).
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idiotsonlyevent Ā· 4 months ago
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it's interesting that episode 3 shows turbo granny is kind of a hypocrite? she says she hates cheaters, but immediately cheats (by human standards) in the game of tag. it's speculated that she consoled the spirits of assaulted and murdered girls, but she herself assaults okarun and calls seiko and momo "hag," "bitch," and "skank" constantly. i think it's really indicative(?) that one of the last things she says before she fuses with the bound spirit is this:
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but ultimately, momo is able to outsmart her using a combination of her grandmother's - also an elder - wisdom and modern technology.
still working on how to interpret this and fit it into what dandadan is saying. the easiest/most obvious would be something like 'you don't have to respect your elders if they disrespect you,' which is a sentiment that is applicable to future arcs as well i feel, but i do think there's more to it than that.
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aroaceleovaldez Ā· 9 days ago
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You've talked about the pjo fandom's lack of fandom infrastructure a lot, what I want to ask is: why do you think the pjo fandom has so little?
I've seen other much smaller fandoms that have just developed infrastructure as the years go on but pjo feels like it's stayed quite stagnant in that regard. I would've thought that with pjo being so big there'd be a lot more than there is. Did we have a lot then we lost it along the way or did we just not develop it that much?
We definitely used to have way more! In my infrastructure list there's a LOT of old infrastructure blogs from back in the day. There's definitely more than what's on that list, but a lot of those blogs have been deactivated or otherwise lost. I've also talked a bit like [here] about some of the old stuff the fandom used to regularly have, like events that no longer run, common tag games and other community habits, etc. We also used to have more zines and other collaborative projects. These just don't happen nearly as often in our community anymore, because the people running them stopped being able to and nobody was able to pick them up and they were forgotten.
I mostly attribute this change to new fandom attitudes and the loss of community. Back in the day I feel like one of the most influential things to the fandom environment was how a lot of younger fans often looked to big-name-fans for how they should behave and navigate fandom spaces. A lot of people are familiar with the old "big 3" fanartists of the day - Viria, Burdge, and Minuiko - but what a lot of people don't remember is they used to trade art back and forth all the time! And with other artists/fans in the community! They were all just genuinely friends and so much collaboration happened between them! That's how we got a lot of the old big AUs and concepts in the fandom because people loved sharing those and collaborating. And because a lot of young folks often mirror the people they look up to in communities, younger fans were mimicking that behavior and there was a lot of exchange and communication and community happening in the fandom at the time. That behavior was demonstrated, replicated, and encouraged!
And young fans mirroring BNFs they look up to is still absolutely a thing! You can see this all the time if you just take a quick glance at fanart - how many character designs are clearly influenced from large artists in the fandom? Insert every Piper with Velinxi heart-shaped cowlicks here. But because there's a lot of ideas now about curating online presences as if it's a business (or literally turning it into a business) or outputting "content" we see a lot less of people - particularly larger fans in the community - vocally interacting with other fans. Everything feels very sanitized and polished and impersonal. There's way less exchange between fans now, or at least way less vocally.
And this is also pushed by general "new/passive fandom" culture as i generally refer to it, where there's so much more emphasis on consumption and "content" versus community (and again, that idea of curating socials like a business/brand). When everything kind of shifted with the like 2016-2018 adult content bans and everybody was moving around between platforms, folks lost a lot of means of learning about fandom history and their communities and how those communities looked. A lot of fans - including now older fans - have never known that fandom is supposed to be a community, and so now we have the older fans in the community with this very content-oriented presentation of fandom that is how fandom is generally advertised in mainstream media, because that's how they learned about it and how new fans are learning about it. They have no easy means to learn fandom history and nobody to mirror appropriate social fandom behavior from (which is also what i attribute to why so many fandoms have become "more toxic" or rude in recent years - especially with quarantine meaning a lot of young folks lost irl means of learning to mirror appropriate social behavior).
In smaller and newer fandoms, communities form easier and if they're the groundwork for the fandom it will persist and self-perpetuate most of the time. In general if a fandom is able to maintain that community aspect, it usually does just fine! (As per usual I point to the furry fandom as a great example of an older fandom with good infrastructure and community.) This is why I like to harp on about building community and reinstating these types of environments and blogs and such, and generally discussing the fandom's history as much as I can and remember it. People can't fix problems they don't understand or things they don't know about, so making that information as accessible as possible and encouraging these things is important.
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lesiasmadness Ā· 2 months ago
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Straight spoilers for unwound future ending so I put it under cut come watch me deteriorate
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bitches need to stop being to invested in tiny videogame people (I am bitches)
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houkagokappa Ā· 3 months ago
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Bless Mokumokuren for outright stating that the genre tags for Hikaru ga Shinda Natsu have never changed, i.e. the official site never dropped the "BL" tag from the series as it got more popular to reach a wider audience. It's been a persistent rumor in the fandom, and one I'm afraid will start circulating again once the anime starts airing.
If you mainly follow English language sources, please remember that whatever tags different anime and manga sites, databases, aggregators etc., either add or leave out don't always reflect the author's intent and the official sources, and should NOT be used to argue for what genre or demographic a certain work belongs to. It can just be random people claiming whatever they want based on their own interpretations and I've seen plenty of errors and real time changes to them based on new chapter developments, that might help catch the attention of some people, but don't suddenly change the genre of the work itself.
Not having BL as a genre tag also doesn't mean that a work can't include any boys loving. The queer themes have always been present in HGSN, and if you're up to date with the manga, they've been outright stated. Having queer characters or a queer story line doesn't automatically mean that a work is BL or yuri, and not including those tags doesn't mean that it's just "baiting". This gets brought up so much I think Mokumokuren's gotten tired of it, because the other day they clearly spelled it out for everyone, assuring that the story is queer, although it's not tagged as BL or focused on romance.
Here's what they shared on their Bluesky account:
The genre tag and advertising direction on the official website have never changed since the beginning of serialization. From the beginning, it has been consistently promoted as a "coming-of-age horror" within the official reach. (It's also true that the official reach is very limitedā€¦) Whatever the genre tag is, and even if this story isn't a romance, as the author, I guarantee that it is a queer story. There seems to be a persistent false rumor going around that "the author suddenly removed the BL tag from the official website by the 3rd volume," but the truth is that there was never an official BL tag from the beginning. (This is not to deny any queerness.)
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And further back:
My opinion that the genre of The Summer Hikaru Died is something that the readers are free to think about on their own remains unchanged, but I view it as a story that sympathizes with those who have been left out of stories about love and sex, so I describe it as "coming-of-age horror." I think the key is the fear of not being ā€œnormalā€ and not having a place to belong, which is common for all kinds of people regardless of their attributes. I think it's fine for queer stories that aren't romances to exist. That's why I've been careful not to position it as a love story from the start.
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Let's stop obsessing over tags and allow queer stories to exist and thrive, even when they lack a clear romantic plot or subplot and are more subdued.
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