#but even then imo the enneagram gives a much better sense into their personality imo

[ifievertoldyou]

when ppl use the 16 personalities quiz to figure out their type i don't believe the results half the time...

[funkymbtifiction]

1 or 4?

This is a long one so prepare yourself and sorry in advance.

I definitely relate to the line between 1 and 4 but I do wonder about whether i’m integrating in a 1 or disintegrating into a 4. I certainly seem to fit the 4 personality more as i’m your typical mystical emo edgelord who get a bit of an ego about liking things before everyone does and having the coolest/deepest/most diverse tastes, but since my teen years i’ve been constantly focused on my self-improvement, as well as my imperfections, and i’ve always had my eyes on almost unattainable standards for myself and my life...

I suspect 3w2/2w3. You seem to use image management, be aware of how others might react to your emotional upheaval, and be considerate of what's appropriate and/or invasive. Some things that leapt out at me:

I have a tendency to be preachy about things at times, but i’m still always eager to help out. [...] i’m often desperate to share myself, and feel more comfortable to do so when i’m feeling safe and uplifted, but I still get plagued with the sense that no one will truly ever understand me, but also that even if they did, I have fears of how it would make me and my personality ineffective and complacent somehow, and while I can see beauty in intimacy and being seen, I feel there’s still a part of you that you need to hold onto to make you you, and I think that’s alot of what drives me in my aspirations to create art and be a well-renowned artist and visionary.

This seems like maybe 3 ambition, determination to succeed, and image-crafting, blended with a 2ish enjoyment of reaching out and influencing others for the better.

I guess I do tend to idealise alot about things in my head too and have always dreamed of being a badass trailblazer in the creative world. I do care alot about my reputation and the way people view me too, and I feel I have a strong ability of controlling such a thing, mostly with how much i’m able to hide and keep mysterious, and then what I do put out I try my best for it to be my best most coolest parts of me while still giving people alot to wonder about

That's 3 image-crafting/management. (And being on your guard, not wanting to let others get TOO close to you, is also 3.)

I worry about the consequences of where acting on my anger could lead, though I imagine there are times where the frustration may be seeping out of me regardless.

That's anti-4. They are reactive types who don't really think about (or care about) whether they are overreacting or not; this is how I FEEL.

I do feel when i’m at my lowest, I really do just sink further into myself and hide away in my fantasies, not wanting to rely on anyone for help and just suffer alone, and while I may explode at times, I tend to hide away not allowing my troubles to effect anyone or burden them.

4s are one of the more self-centered Enneagram types, their feelings eclipse other people's, so they are not really concerned, when they are upset, about whether they are 'affecting' others or not. This is both a Fe thing and a 2/3 area of concern. It might also be, again, "managing my image -- I'm not one of THOSE people who burdens others with their troubles."

I’m not sure I fully understand how the 2 integration could manifest within me as I feel many of my 2-like qualities I feel are some of my best ones, as I find a good amount of pleasure in helping people and I like being someone that people can rely on at times, it honestly comes so naturally to me alot of the time

2 wing, IMO. Positive association toward it, it's softening the 3 and making it more approachable, it's a play zone / something you enjoy doing as a way to 'give back' and it's instinctual.

though I can resent it when people depend on me too much too often, especially when it’s much more so than they’re willing to depend on themselves, as I feel they’re shifting their own responsibility away from themselves onto me, but I never take it out on anyone and put the other person first when they’re in need.

More 2 ego response (they come first), plus a 3ish "but you are your own responsibility, I shouldn't have to be your mother/father; I have my own goals/ambitions, you should get some" thinking.

While I am cautious of consequences at times and I am very considerate of others, I definitely have an independent rebellious streak and highly value my autonomy and both in terms of my character but also the degrees to which I connect with people, I definitely can be very open to people and go out of my way for them very easliy if I want to but I certainly do keep a good distance from them if need be.

Self-pres dominant.

I’ve always seemed to struggle a little bit with intimacy seemingly, either way I haven’t had many intimate experiences and find it hard to naturally move into people and get down and dirty even when I feel/think I want to. 

3 emotional repression; 3s fear getting too close to people, so the deeper a relationship goes, the more discomfort they have to wade through (unlike a 2, who wants closeness RIGHT NOW).

Lastly I really do feel that when i’m at my best, i’m a super upbeat fun-loving person who’s always open to adventure and is hopeful of the future and tends to lift people up with my positivity. I feel I can go into this mode on occasions especially when i’m having fun and enjoying new experiences though it can often require me to loosen up at times which i occasionally struggle with unless i’m in good safe company, and being entirely present in a physical almost sx-like way can be kinda intimidating if done for too long when i’m not entirely comfortable and cause me to shrivel up a bit. I guess it kinda relates to an integration towards 7 though i’m aware it may a fairly basic stereotypical description of it. 

2w3s and 3w2s are also bubbly, good-natured, upbeat, self-confident, and like to see things in a positive way. 4s and 1s... do not. They are picky, critical, condemning, and 4s in particular are unabashed about bringing negativity to the table as a reactive type.

I would look at 2w3/3w2. You're one of those. :) If you can relate somewhat to 4, you might be a 3 since it would be your under-used wing and you would have some access to it.

[nexyra]

What is your take on rwby chara's mbti types? I think

Weiss - xSTJ, thought that she was ESTJ at first but ISTJ makes a lot of sense too.

Winter - ESTJ

Pyrrha - ESFJ

Emerald - ISFJ (I've seen some ppl type her as INFJ but I don't see how she is a Ni dom?)

Whitley - ENTJ? I'm honestly not sure abt that..

Adam - fucked up xNFJ, probably INFJ (seen him typed as xNTJ but his delusional thinking process imo screams unhealthy Ti and I think his manipulation of Blake and the WF is more Fe than Te

Qrow - was thinking ISTP but with the more recent volumes I'm really not sure..

Penny - ENFP

Ozpin - Uuuuuh INTP maybe?? But I've seen some people type him as INFJ. INFJ 5w6 would make sense as to why he might appear as an INTP but idk..

Bartholomew- ENTP

Jaune - no fucking idea honestly

Ironwood - ENTJ

Sun - Seen ppl type him as ENFP but I don't see any Ne at all..,,ESFP?

Yang - ESxP, maybe ESTP

Cinder - INTJ

Mercury - ISTP

Oscar - ISFJ

Ren - ISTx?

Hello anon ! I see my love for typology hasn't gone unnoticed 😂 Thank you so much for the ask !

I prefer enneagram over MBTI because I find it easier to type; so fair warning that I'm not an authority on MBTI-typing. But I do have have an ongoing RWBY typing that includes MBTI sooo... here goes !

(I'm putting my ennea typings along with it, but not explaining them on this post)

➸ RWBYJNPR

Ruby • xNFP 6w7 9w1 2w3?

I just can't decide between the two fors Ruby because... it kind of goes both way ??? Like Ruby definitely feels as INFP for the first half of the series; she's got a clear Fi > Ne preference... But then when she develops her Tert in V6 it's just... Te ? And she really doesn't show much Si actually she fits more the Si inf vibe in the form of forgetting about bad memories and her mom until people dig it up and she's like "nooo !" ?? So it looks like Te > Si but also Fi > Ne; conclusion idfk

Weiss • ISTJ 1w2 6w5 3w4 sp/so

Clear Fi tert rearing its head along with the 1 so I'm going with ISTJ; I also never really saw any Ne. Her type isn't too disagreed upon so tell me if you want a lenghtier explanation.

Blake • ISFP 6w5 9w8 4w3 (in some order)

Wooh this might get the anger of some (i have experience with the INFJ typers) but Blake goddamn REEKS of Fi. Less so recently but for the first seasons oh my god. She straights up catch you by the shirt and tells you "I'm doing the right thing"; and said right thing is so heavily dependant on her own subjectives values, which is why Blake can't reconcile with the current White Fang; because she doesn't have a strong Je vision of "what objectively works in the end", she only sees actions in terms of immediate right and wrong, and this b&w dichotomy stems from herself. What the WF is doing is wrong and the circumstances don't matter for judging the morality of their actions (of course I'm not talking about murder here bc that's pretty wrong ALL THE TIME but for example the stealing occuring in V1 bc of the WF is a better example)

Yang • ESXP 7w8 8w7 2w3

I'm sorry about that but I can't help you on that aspect anon, I still can't make up my mind about whether Yang has Fi or Ti. I have seen arguments for both, and i'm not the best at picking up on Ti so it's hard for me to tell.

Jaune • ESFJ 6w7 3w2 9w1

No strong opinions on his MBTI, it's kinda just based on vibes

Nora • ENFP 6w7 9w8 3w2

Textbook ENFP, not much to say here x))

Pyrrha • XXFJ 2w1 1w2 6?

In my list Pyrrha is currently written down as ISFJ but that's mostly based on the general consensus and me wanting to get rid of the XX. I don't actually have any convincing arguments to decide on Ni or Si, so I could go either way if someone else makes their case well. I feel like she's Fe aux more than dom, but even about that I could change my mind. Pyrrha didn't have that much screentime in the end :((

Ren • ISTJ? 9w1 5w4 4w5

Ironically I'm not sure about his type, kind of like you. I've mentionned I'm not very good at picking up on Ti right ? And Ren was a background character before V4 really. I had him written down as ISTP for a while but I've seen some convincing arguments for ISTJ so I might lean toward that actually but who knows. The thing I'm very confident about is his 5 fix = )

➸ Faunus bonus

Sun • ESFP 7w6 2w3 9w1 so/sx

I don't see any Ne at all either so I don't understand the ENFP typings...?? Maybe the 7 stereotypes ? Imo Sun is just a very good boy; certified ESFP 7 himbo; triple positive sunshine !

Ilia • Ti-Fe axis ?

Again, not enough screentime for me to make an educated guess. My only certainty is : not high Fi. It's the source of their conflicts. Blake confidence in absolute right & wrong, tracing lines in the sand between acceptable & unacceptable. Whereas Ilia can only shake her head and say "Because it works", or cry out "I don't know what else to do !"

Adam • 3w4 8w7 6w5

I honestly don't really have much of an opinion about Adam's MBTI, i'm sorry anon ;; I don't know enough about how he thinks

➸ Oz-related things and his circle

Ozpin • INFJ 5w4 2w1 1w9

I would personally call him an INFJ. I... never really got INTP vibes from him ? I don't see the Fe inf work out with his interactions : he's always rather at ease, he knows how to navigate around people... His focus inherently lies on doing what's best for the "group", the people, humanity. Fx functions are both concerned with ethics, in different ways, and I think Oz reflects that well. He IS concerned with the moral weight of his actions, but it's a more adaptable and unpersonnal concern than Fi people. He regards Ironwood's soul machines as something wrong, but can still agree to use it if the situations demand it for example. So... if the INFJ + 5 makes sense to you, well that's what I'm typing him personally. I also feel like Ni fits him more than Ne. Ozpin has a very linear way of planning, he does use his fair share of symbolism in every day conversation... Even when taking decisions, he... kind of cares about the meaning of things a lot ? It's hard to explain but like; the way he highlights the difference between an army and a guardian, and the emotionnal response it brings. I don't know it feels like there's some Ni vibes in there x)

Oscar • ISFJ 9w8 6w7 3w2

Oscar's type honestly isn't the one I would have the easiest time explaining in lenght but yea. It's mostly vibes; also just like Ozpin he doesn't seem to have a particularly Fi reasonning. And he feels more grounded, I don't really remember any Ni so... yay ?

Ironwood • ENFJ 6w5 1w2 3w4 (pre-Vol8); ENTJ (post-Vol8)

Might be weird if you think he was a dictator from the start, but I kind of entertained the idea of Ironwood being Fe dom ? From his very first interaction it was very clear that he was a Je dom to me; he's all about objective results; he doesn't give off the "internal framework" or "personnal values" vibe AT ALL; so it was more a matter of picking Te or Fe. He LOOKS super Te don't get me wrong; but he also has an enneagram tritype that is very common amongst XXTJs (and TJs stereotypes thus derive from it). And just like Oz, his focus at all time seemed to be the greater good and doing what's best for the people still. So I was like... Eh, a "harsh" ENFJ I think that's interesting ? Plus Fe ethics actually derive from their environment, kinda like "everyone agrees that Y is wrong", and if you consider that James is from Atlas... Well his way of thinking and ethics align pretty well with the military.

His character took a turn for the worse in V8 (whether too quick or not depends on who you ask) and past that point he's a clear ENTJ; but I feel like it was more debatable before that. Idk though I might be overthinking this in the hope of making more interesting combinations xD

Qrow • ISTP 4w3 6w7? 1w9? sp/sx

I don't really see anything else than ISTP for Qrow... But he's not a character I would want to find Ti arguments for either.

Raven • ENTJ Cp6w5 8w9 3w4

Most villains get called ENTJ at the first occasions tbh zlqfznhqzkf but I think it fits Raven for the most part actually...

➸ Atlas

Winter • ESTJ 1w9 3w4 6w5

The whole Schnee family has the same enneagram tritype in different order/different wings, it's ridiculous I think she has a higher Te than Weiss, and Fi inf fits her more. She struggles more to reconcile with her emotions and the idea of a personal right/wrong than her little sis.

Penny • ENFP 4w3 6w7 9w1 sx/so

Perfect example of a healthy 4, she's a great friend a cutie pie. ... Sorry we were talking about MBTI x) Well again, textbook ENFP. Not much to debate here.

Whitley • 3w4 1w9 6w5?

Not enough material for me to guess a MBTI type correctly either, sorry... I could see some kind of xNTJ yea but it's really just vibes and not enough concrete.

➸ Antagonists and Extras

Cinder • 8w7 3w4 6w5

Never cared to guess her MBTI type. I hereby type her as insufferable qkfqskfq. More seriously, I don't really know sorry Anon :/

Emerald • 2w3 ?w? ?w?

I never got Fe vibes from her tbh, I just think she's a 2. And Fe as a function is very infused with 2 stereotypes. So yea. Like, she isn't even that worried about the morality of her actions or anything more than the other villains. She just cares more about her personal relationships and being loved, so she automatically looks much nicer, especially with 2 mechanisms of trying to make herself useful and needed. Also because she's surrounded by 8-ish people xD

Mercury • 8w9 7w8 ?w?

ISTP doesn't sound too farfeteched, but I never MBTI-typed him either, sorry.

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Bartholomew Oobleck • xSxJ 5w4

The only vibe he gave me is Si somewhere because of all his talks about learning from the past and everything repeats itself and it's a mine of informations at Mountain Glen... That's really the only time I tried to put down anything for him, and it was Si + 5. He could be some kind of xNTP nerd too for sure, but that's more vibe and I couldn't make an actual argument for it.

[arcticrxt]

Some dream smp mbtis and enneagrams bc I love it!!!

@dreamsclock here it is!!

Characters:

Wilbur

Ghostbur

Tommy

Dream

Tubbo

Quackity

Karl

Under the cut bc they’re kinda long. Keep in mind this is the characters and not the content creators :]

WILBUR

Personally for me I’d type c!wilbur as ENFJ which is interesting for a villainous character. When he spirals into madness, you can see his dominant function (Fe) become more unhealthy, leading to him being very manipulative. He shows Ti-grip when his Fe is left to burn out, becoming critical of others and their methods, preferring he do it instead (seen with tommy during their exile). Ni auxiliary is shown in his ambition and drive for his goal of L’manburg.

For his enneagram, i know wilbur said he based c!wilbur off of the song eight by sleeping at last, but hear me out,,, I was thinking maybe a 3w4. The 8 characteristics could be seen in a tritype of 368. Type three is named the achiever which in itself stands for his vision and ambition of L’manburg. 3w4s are often working towards personal growth and professional success. When unhealthy, 3s can get extremely competitive and prone to one-upping others. May reject their sense of self and develop intense mood swings. At worst they can backstab ruthlessly (tommy and the whole of L’manburg and pogtopia) and destroy others reputations solely for their benefit (“if i can’t have this no one can”). The tritype Im a bit if-y on but I’ll say 368 because it focuses on working hard, achieving personal best and developing a winning image. They will want to protect others from those they perceive as a target (dream, Schlatt), they will warn and caution others and seek “worthy” authorities they can respect.

GHOSTBUR His Si is incredibly high so imma say ISFJ. His main motive (id say) is wanting to collect stories of his past and the history of the nation he built, his “unfinished symphony”. Fe auxiliary is very strong as well as he shows a lot of compassion to others, offering them some blue in times of need and also not wanting anyone to feel sadness like he feels it. Ghostbur ignores his own feelings in order for others to feel safe. His Ti is shown through his need for gathering knowledge to understand alivebur and i could also see it through his internalised logic that the blue will help people. Not sure on inferior Ne, maybe through not wanting to see other possibilities in regards to his resurrection, however he was under a lot of stress since his home just got blown up, and friend died, so I can’t blame him.

He clearly doesn’t want conflict so I’ll say type 9. Needs peace and harmony (he gives out blue to help people). Soothing voice, and collected (except when Phil blew up L’manburg but that’s reasonable). He’s complacent, and humble, and will go the extra mile so long as to not rock the boat. Appreciative of the small things in life and enjoy simple pleasures.

TOMMY For Tommy I think ESFP which is probably one of the ones I’m up for more opinions on bc I’m not completely sure of his type. Se as dominant as he thrives on living in the moment but in an unhealthy way (unnecessary conflicts) He’s got a strong Fi auxiliary and you can see that through his personal morals and the way he usually makes decisions based off of emotions rather than objective facts and logical reasoning. He’s good at planning, but not at thinking out the longevity of it. Eg when heady exile and found technos house and lived under there, thinking techno would find him, this all shows Se-Te loop. He gradually develops an unhealthy Fi which leads to him disregarding external relationships (his friendship with tubbo) and commitments to maintain his internal love of the discs.

Enneagram wise, I’m definitely leaning towards 7w6. 7s are usually jumping from one thing to another and are constantly getting bored. The wing 6 brings loyalty and protectiveness. When unhealthy, sevens become narcissistic in their actions and presentation (see his confrontation with tubbo after tubbo thought he was dead, and the “the discs are worth more than you ever were” granted he quickly realises what he said but the mentality was still there).

DREAM I think he’s a fairly obvious stereotype unhealthy ENTJ. He has a very low Fi. When we see him driven by emotion (usually anger) it’s terrifying and we have no context about it at all except that it’s for a need of control. He knows how to manipulate people through his charisma and power in an ENTJ fashion. He lost attachment to his things very quickly (using Te and Ni to go forward logically while also showcasing his inferior Fi)

Dream is a very painfully obvious 8, probably an 8w7, but he is defined an 8. The eight has fiery passions and is usually stubborn and headstrong, they are serious about control over their environment. They are goal-oriented and self-competent. Eights are direct and aren’t shy when taking the lead and making tough decisions. They are often seen in leadership positions. The eight type is part of the “body based” triad and they often act impulsively. They crave respect and enjoy being likes by the group. When unhealthy, eights can become tyrannical and intimidating, scaring off others at first glance. They become addicted to the pursuit of power and will destroy anything blocking their path. Feelings and emotions become insignificant (spirit :’)) challengers become stone-cold and take an antagonist stand to anyone who questions them or their motives. This is the one I’m most most sure of out of every typing I’ve done bc it seems painfully obvious.

TUBBO I’d say probably an Fe dom so maybe ENFJ/ESFP but I’m leaning more to the ENFJ side. Tubbo realised after he thought tommy had died that, without tommy he was himself. Something Fe doms struggle with the most is self worth and personal identity. They’re caught up in wanting to help others that they don’t tend to their own needs. He’s careless and self sacrificing when it comes to the needs of others (him giving up his life so that tommy could have the discs and be happy) and bc he has such low self esteem he doesn’t realise that that’s not what tommy wants. The reason I’m more leaning to ENFJ is because of his inferior Ti. Though he didn’t want to due to dominant Fe, he was lead to believe exiling tommy was the best possible solution. You can see he regrets it after tommy and dream had left. When he was working under schlatt we saw his remorse and guilt even though he knew it had to be done. We see his dominant Fe during his time as president when others push him to do things and he usually agrees. He was manipulated through guilt by dream which is very unhealthy ENFJ.

(I wrote this before the ghostbur one so sorry for any repetitive language) For enneagram, type nine: the peacemaker. Type 9s are motivated by their need for peace and harmony (tubbo was manipulated into believing that getting rid of tommy would achieve this). They have a calm demeanour and are agreeable. They’re hardworking, friendly, and modest but also more serious and diligent than expected. (I’m not too sure on his enneagram which is why this is so short)

QUACKITY Estj imo. Like dream, he’s unhealthily obsessed with power, (unhealthy dominant Te). He abandoned L’manburg because schlatt wouldn’t let him have any say, and he was shoved to the side, despite it being a coalition government. He is very logical and controls others. He makes sure he comes out as the hero and that his hands are clean, learning it from past experiences (Si). He quickly finds ways to get out of situations through the use of tertiary Ne. Doesnt show a lot of Fi and he usually underestimates his opponents abilities and/or strength due to his overconfidence. He’s willing to kill anyone who goes against what he thinks and is stubborn and argumentative. He doesn’t like it when people are lazy and don’t contribute.

Also, similarly to dream, I’d type his enneagram as 8w7. The same with his obsession of power, and his strong/weak mindset where he thinks the world is made up of protectors and those who need to be protected (see him taking it upon himself to execute technoblade for the better of L’manburg) which is all very textbook 8. The opinions of others don’t have much effect on him. Eights are concerned with justice, combating oppression, and protecting the weak. He takes the lead in making tough decisions (he’s the butcher army leader). He becomes more antagonist and villainous with his actions against technoblade, believing he’s in the right. (I didn’t want to just copy out what I said for dream so this is a shortened version)

KARL Torn between ENFP and ESFP but leaning toward ENFP. He’s time travelling because he believes it’s the right the to do which is more so Fi, but could be Fe wanting to help others at his personal cost. But also the Fi-Te pair keeps him going and he won’t stop until it’s fulfilled (which is pretty Te imo). He is creative and good with imagination and ideas (Ne) (at the masquerade, although it was a comical excuse, he came up with minecraft streamer quickly, he was also able to answer billiams questions pretty quickly).

Even though it’s now canon he doesn’t choose when and where he travels to, which would have been a stronger argument for a type seven, he’s still enthusiastic at the times he travels to. He’s optimistic (with the mentality everything will go right for him because he believes it has to, even though he’s loosing a lot of memories atm). He’s got childlike energy and curious eyes. He wants to bounce from one place to another, he created two towns already, although one technically no one knows about gogtopia except for the founders and tommy who travelled through it. He’s well like and popular, which is often a 7 trait. The type 7 is part of the “heart-based” triad, and we can see him act through this with the way he seeks excitement as a means to distract himself from the darker, and more painful things in life. He ignores his fears in favour of positive experiences. For a wing, probably a 7w6 in favour of 7w8, the same as tommy. He’s loyal and a strong leader over being tough and more career-driven. If he was to turn unhealthy in the future, we might see him loose his groundedness, and start to live in a perpetual fantasy instead of reality.

Sorry for any typos or bad grammar :]

[flusteredkeith]

Could you elaborate on Shiro as an INFJ, pls? He's not an easy character to type imo. Also, what are Zarkon, Haggar and Lotor's types? My guesses are INTJ, INTJ and ENTJ, but I'm not sure (especially Zarkon bc INTJ might not fit with who he was in the past)

Oooh yes, of course!! MBTI is my love language so thank you so much for this ask!

First of all, I agree with you on Shiro being a little hard to read but I am convinced he’s an INFJ, and not just because I’m one myself. I think because INFJ’s tend to be associated with more feminine traits, it can be a bit weird to see him as one at first glance. However, if you strip away some of the stereotypes that come with MBTI and look solely at the cognitive functions, it will make a lot more sense!

Also, I was supposed to make an INFJ post for Shiro a long time ago but have forgotten lmao. So consider this his post:

INFJ cognitive breakdown: Ni-Fe-Ti-Se

Ni: Shiro is a strategic thinker, there’s no argument there. Unless he’s hard pressed in an emergency situation, he’s the type to think things through before acting. He gets fatalistic; he’ll project into the future and focus in with tunnel vision on a terrible outcome(s) and lose hope. His mantra is literally “patience yields focus” — very internally driven and very focused on a single point ahead. Beyond just personality, Shiro’s a very military minded person and I see that manifest itself in a very strategic Ni way. It’s always about zeroing in on the best possible outcome, trying to achieve the best possible situation, everything else short of this is a lesser option, or not one at all.

Fe: Despite all this, Shiro is VERY team-oriented. Maintaining peaceful dynamics and making sure everyone’s on the same page are things that are constantly on his mind and also come naturally to him. He’d prefer to focus on people’s feelings as a collective whole and make judgments based off that. A big number of his decision making does seem to have been made for the collective good of the team and much less to do with how he himself feels. One example is how he handles Pidge in S1. He’s patient with her, allows her to come to her own conclusion to stay on the team, gives her space to do that but also guidance (“I can’t help but feel that you were meant to be part of the team.”) Classic Ni-Fe traits.

Ti: Throughout it all, he maintains a very sound logic internally inside his own head. He analyzes situations to help his Ni find the best possible line of attack, he does his best to remain objective in situations like Pidge wanting to leave the team (even though he probably wanted her to stay), and once again, his mantra is literally “patience yields focus.”

Se: Shiro’s interior function Se here is in direct contrast with his dominant Ni. Although he’s confident in most of his strategic directions, when he’s stuck, when he feels fixated on a negative outcome, he seems to get really stuck on it. This isn’t to say he loses the will to live, as he has stuck it through his Galra captivity and survived, but it does paralyze him a bit and cause him to get really fatalistic — and here is often where he needs Keith to give him a little Se kick of just do it and don’t give up!

Also, when he’s too busy being strategic, he often fails to take action in time. In the S4 finale at Naxela when the bomb barrier was building around them, he insisted they stay beneath and wait to see what happens despite Lance urging them to escape. If you look closely, Shiro actually gives this advice a lot — “let’s wait to see what this thing does,” or to stay put and see what happens first before unnecessarily making the wrong move — and most times in the season, it’s turned out well. It’s strategic. But when it comes to acting in a risky way without thinking it through, he sometimes waits too long. Sometimes it works better but other times, like in S4, it doesn’t.

Hope this helps! As for Zarkon, Haggar, Lotor.. I may need more data before I say for sure. Although Haggar does strike me as an INTJ type 5 (on enneagram)! And I’ve been contemplating back and forth on Zarkon being ESTJ or ENTJ. Lotor, on the other hand, has been tricky and we’ve only seen 13 eps of him so far, but I can see him being INTJ or ENTP, which, I know they’re two totally different types, but I think I could make a case for both.

[funkymbtifiction]

Thank you for the link to a podcast on enneagram 8! It was a bit hard to listen because looks like the quality of the recording is not so good + English is not my native language, but I did it, whoo-ah. After listening to this I think that I resonate with 8 more than with 6 (but I am also pretty sure in not being sx 8, more likely sp/so or so/sp), but I have some thoughts, both related to the podcast directly and not so much, and I want to ask you about this parts.

1) The 8s participated in this podcast were talking much about their awareness of the emotional state of the people around them, like they feel people's energy with their body and read their body language with ease. And I resonate and do not resonate with it at the same time. I really feel like I have an extra sensory system that allows me to sense unique "vibes" of people - their dress style, their manners of moving and speaking and some other details makes a quite solid energy pattern, but it's more of analyzing the personality and image at the whole, not particular moods and thoughts. I can sense a potential personality of the person, and also I can sense that something is wrong if the vibes have changed heavily, but I am very bad in recognizing particular moods and working with this information, often missing the emotional atmosphere right here and now. Looks like I have the same ability to feel people's energy, but don't have the same level of empathy and emotional intelligence as the people from the podcast. Can it be covered by the fact that I am an ENTP, because as far as I know low empathy is a common struggle for ENTP?

It could be, yeah. Also, it may be those 8s all had Se in their stack. I know Emika is an ESTP. Se helps with tuning in and feeling people on an impacting level. Ne is working with abstract tangibles, not raw data.

2) Also, not directly related to the podcast but somewhat connected to the energy sensitivity stuff. YouTube have recommended me a video with funny horses, and I got very cp6 vibes from these animals. Horses really look a lot like cp6 reactiveness for me - most of the time they look like super confident, strong and even slightly show-offish in some cases, but being herbivores, they are secretively very anxious and alert, and many horses react on unexpected stuff in a "no-no-no, f**k this sh*t, I am out!" manner, even if the reasons for them being scared is absolutely stupid. And it makes me feel more like 8 over 6, because I don't resonate with this horses' trait at all, and at the same time, when discussing "what animal are you most like?" stuff with my friends for fun, I have mostly been compared with bears, orcas, honey badgers and big birds of prey like grey owls and eagles - my friends often claim that I am observant to an edge of being a wallflower when tired/bored, but also highly playful and positive in a good mood, and at the same time I definitely would be ready to kick asses if I would need to. I am also a fan of the 'His Dark Materials' books and a part of the fandom sub-community which uses the concept of daemons from this books as a personality typing system, and a few weeks ago I have finally choosen a sea eagle for my daemon. To you opinion, would horses for cp6 and other mentioned animals for 8 be valid comparisons?

Uh. I guess? I mean... I know a cp6 cat and an 8 cat, and the 8 cat beats the shit out of other cats and then attacks any human that tries to intervene, whereas the cp6 cat acts like an 8 but it’s all “bluffing” and she will hide in her house for three days after she’s had a scare. So... there’s that. LOL IMO, it’s best to compare yourself with humans. ;)

3) Also about personal energy. There were a discussion of the fact that 8's have a tendency to carry a lot of energy which is sometimes even too much. But is it possible for a 8, who have been desintegrated for a long time, to feel like their inner "energy generator" is somewhat like broken? I can remember having this high energy in childhood and partly in high school (I had two detached periods of clear desintegration in my life), but now I feel like my inner generator needs to be heavily repaired before it would work in it's normal mode again, and now it's only capable on either working much less effectively than usually, or give burst of energy until it would crack and stop working for some time. Plus, it has never been high energy in terms of "I can be constantly busy and do 100500 things at a time" as some of my friends are, it's more like being highly endurant, "if I wish I can go the whole equator on foot and you better just deal with it", but also not being quick to react.

Think about your type and what stimulates you. You are a Ne-dom, not a Se-dom or a Fe-dom or a Te-dom. What stimulates a Ne-dom? A constant influx of abstract sensations, new ideas, and discussion of intangibles. How much of this do you regularly get in the outside world? Not much. Si inferior: navigating the sensory world, holding sensory discussions, and going places, doing things, is exhausting since... it’s an inferior function. Make sense? Ne-doms are “high brain energy” not “high body energy.”

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5) Related to the influence and being the boss stuff. Is it normal for a 8 to not want being in charge, preferring freedom and control of their own life and only their own, combined with heavy "justice fighter" instinct? As I already said in my previous ask, I am not ambitious. I have some goals that require hard work, but I am not going to be a boss of any sort. All this administrative stuff, bureaucracy, paper work, negotiations... It's all so boring!

And there you’ve head-butted up against the fact that 90% of 8s are Te-doms. And what are Te-doms anyway? Workaholics. What do Te-doms want, regardless of being 8 or something else? Competency in the workplace. How do they get it? By being the boss. Etc. Can still be an 8 and an ENTP and lacking Te, you wouldn’t likely want the “boring” responsibility of being the boss and pushing papers all day long.

Or you could be a 7w8 who is over-identifying with their 8 wing who really just wants FREEDOM.

[funkymbtifiction]

I know you've said it at least a million times but I still can't identify what motivates 8, 1, 2, 6 and 4 as enneagram types and how any type would manifest depending on its position in the triad (core second and last). I'm trying to really get a grasp of each types and I can't differentiate those because I see them as connected in their motives. I also can't differentiate 2w1 from 1w2 the sound the same so I didn't get something basics about those types.

You know, I got this FABULOUS book in the mail yesterday, called The Literary Enneagram that has… finally gotten through to me like nothing else. I could see where I’ve been making mistakes and how to correct them. Somehow, it helped it click in my mind for me – the focus on motive and not just behavior. Some of the examples the author uses I was less familiar with, but some of them are solid – like Eleanor Dashwood as a fine example of a 1w2 sexual subtype (and her sister, Marianne, as a 4w3 sexual subtype).

So, I went through the Enneagram tag today (this is what I do with my day off :P) and updated all the profiles so far typed, changing some of them based on what I have learned. I’m shifting our system to focusing on the core for each character rather than tritypes, because if you focus on that alone, you can notice integration and disintegration points and highlight them in the profile. It allows for less margin of error.

Personally, the more I read about Enneagram the less faith I have in tritypes. But, that’s an argument for another day. ;)

Back to your question.

1 - motivation to be good / perfect / above reproach / moral / improve self and others. Think Mr. Knightley, badgering Emma Woodhouse to stop interfering and work on her own issues. Or Elsa in Frozen, being so afraid of being “bad.” Or Elijah in The Originals, harping on Klaus to stop being such an ass and behave himself, while repressing all his own urges and feelings. 1′s repress their emotions. Bottle them up. Until they explode. (See: Eleanor Dashwood and her epic meltdown once she realizes she can marry Edward.)

2 - motivation to be useful / needed / helpful / find love. Think Emma Woodhouse, being so proud of herself for helping poor stupid Harriet find a MUCH BETTER marriage (despite Mr. Knightley harping on her). Or Mr. Darcy being so proud that he broke up Jane and Bingley, because she was just a social climber anyway – and why should he apologize for being helpful and doing the right thing? In other words, 2′s are proud of how helpful they are – whether or not they are actually being helpful.

So, 1w2: Emma, you’re interfering when you should work on your own flaws first. SHAPE UP, THEN HELP PEOPLE. 2w1: Why should I work on myself, I’m good already, but Harriet clearly needs my help so I’m going to give it! ;)

3 - motivation to succeed, social climb, make something of themselves, work hard and get whatever they want, even if it demands cutting corners. Think Scarlett O’Hara. Or Becky Sharp. End of subject.

4 - motivation to stand out, to be authentic, to be not-plebeian, to feel. Think Marianne Dashwood. Or Madam Bovary. Or Anna Karenina. Or Anne Shirley. Life is one big, magnificent tragedy, and every feeling must be FELT to its deepest soul. They throw everything into their emotional intensity, and become needy and clingy under stress (moving to unhealthy 2). Anna Karenina is the prime example – throwing herself after Vronsky, desperate for his affections, then becoming paranoid and needy, fearful he’s going to abandon her, and finally mourning what she has lost, before she’s even lost it. That’s a pure 4 disintegration right there. *sad face*

5 - motivation to self-protect, to be distant, analytical, and never unprepared, to become an expert. See Sherlock Holmes, in just about any incarnation of the character. Analytical, detached, reclusive, does not share his feelings. Analyzes them instead. The really weird thing was the book lists Beth March as a 5, and it made no sense to me until I realized she’s all about avoidance of real life, leaving the home, trying anything new, living in her books and among her kittens, and seeking security through withdrawing from the world – all 5 traits. Holy hell, I never imagined that would be her core, but it is.

6 - motivation to never be without a support system; prone to chronic distrust, doubt, second-guessing, and changing attitudes toward everyone else. A good example of this is Allison from Teen Wolf – rebellious one moment, submissive the next; reactive and then submissive; submits to authority and then defies it. Same with Veronica Mars. Distrusts everyone, reacts with aggression to cover up her fear. The book uses Hamlet as the main example – to be or not to be? Indecisive, ponderous, reactive, submissive, inconsistent, smothering and then distant, until he finally comes to a place of peace and self-acceptance at his death (moving to 9).

BIG CLUE: an 8 should have all the pros and cons of a true 8. All their strengths and weaknesses. 6′s often come across and/or look like 8s, because they can be counter-phobic – attacking whatever makes them feel insecure. Sexual 6′s are especially 8-like – risk takers, contrarians, and rebels.

7 - motivation to avoid pain, to live a happy and carefree life, to be optimistic and avoid feeling trapped. Think Lorelai Gilmore. Aramis from The Musketeers. Ariel from The Little Mermaid. See it, chase it. (Irony of the week: reading reviews for this book, I ran across one that said, “This is a great book! I’m a 7! I tried not to leap ahead and read 7 first… and then I got distracted and forgot all about this book!” HAH.)

8 - motivation to avoid being controlled, harmed, or challenged, through asserting oneself with power. Think Rhett Butler, refusing to conform to society, seeing through Scarlett’s bullcrap and calling her on it, and eye-rolling that she bothers pretending to be “good” when they both know she’s the most manipulative little thing on the planet. Unlike a 6, he isn’t scared. He simply IS authoritative, challenging, powerful.

9 - motivation to avoid unpleasantness, conflict, and losing other people. Often lives in their imagination to avoid the pains of real life, and is passive toward taking action – think Walter Mitty. Or Cinderella. Or Lucy from Narnia, being super nice and accommodating.

As for how it manifests, IF tritypes exist (and for me, at the moment, that’s a big if since I can’t find evidence they do) I suspect core is everything, second fix has a fair amount of influence, and your third fix is almost non-existent, since most people seem to have no  clue what theirs is.

IMO, your best best is to figure out your core, ignore the fixes, and work on self-improvement in your core and wing, since that’s where you’ll spend 98% of your time, energy, and defense methods.

- ENFP Mod