#buddie neg

[cringefaildiaz]

For clarification, I was a Buddie shipper for the longest time, but because of recent episodes I’ve kinda abandoned ship.

I think that we (tumblr, reddit, Twitter) see the show differently than the general audience. I think there’s a lot of people who dig into things that don’t actually mean anything and call it in the name of Buddie. I shipped them because narratively it made the most sense, but I 100% think the shirt colors/water/beer theories aren’t complete and utter bullshit. Like, I enjoy reading them, but they aren’t anything. These are writers who 1: can’t remember their own details 2: are very open about any sort of metaphor, like the couch thing. The couch metaphor for a relationship was said on screen, it was real. Everything else is grasping. I’m an actor, I’ve gone through costume fittings before, I’ve seen wardrobe trailers, I’ve had a costumer. In a show that’s this expensive and that’s running this long, they will wear the same stuff a few times. Blue and green look best on screen. They can’t use product placement of real items. There’s a lot of reasons for stuff in the show that doesn’t have to do with Buddie and it makes me, and many others, not take Buddie seriously when people say things like “the lightning strike is the baking soda and it’s standing in the way of the beer which is their relationship” Nope. That’s just set dressing and props doing their job. “They made 3 s’mores because one represents Buck!” No… it represents Shannon, that was in the episode.

I also don’t think Buck and Eddie are a slowburn. Or if they are, and this is something they’ve planned out, they’ve done a terrible job. The point of a slowburn is for the audience to see, to feel, to root for the characters to get together. It has to be really obvious that it’s happening, albeit slowly. That it grows and they are so in love, and there’s feelings, and it’s a big will they won’t they. Buck and Eddie had a foundation for this, but the general audience can still call them brothers or platonic friends. Meaning that it’s not clearly romantic and therefore not a slowburn. It could be, if they wanna have Eddie really hate Natalia and openly reveal feelings for Buck even just to himself and let that drive them into season 7, then yes we would have an actual slowburn. It’s not impossible and it’s not too far gone, but if they keep down the path they’re on where it’s tumblr users grasping, it will be.

I also just think they’re writing the characters in circles and until they break out of that, there’s no hope for anything. I mean anything, romantically or not. Buck is currently a headache, at least Eddie seems to be having some growth, but his is also tied to a relationship and people telling him to date and him thinking he has to… ugh

so I actually mostly agree with you, but I think this might be a case of missing the forest for the trees.

I'm definitely with you that a lot of the fandom theories are...not realistic. I'm actually intimately familiar with how wardrobe and costume design operates on shows like 9-1-1 through my job, and I have never in my life heard of wardrobe operating on a set the way fans theorize they do. Not to say that things like color never mean anything, they can absolutely be used very intentionally (and are, by good designers), but they have very different reasons for making choices than what is popularly discussed here. (baby rant on costume metas->on a show like 9-1-1, the most important factor—beyond making your actors look good—is making their wardrobe choices believably human. It's about psychology and fleshing out character; it's rarely about storytelling. What would this real life person have in their closet? How would they choose to present themself in this setting? I'd also say there are some things the fandom DOES pick up on that I read as intentional, but on a show as big as 911, its a little silly to assume every outfit has a deeper meaning)

I also agree with your general point that people read a little too deep into metaphors and symbolism that aren't there on a textual level. You're right that the creators make it VERY obvious when those things are in play—because 911 wasn't a show that was made to be analyzed. Again, not saying that there's nothing to pick up on; I think it's pretty obvious Eddie's on the journey to find his soulmate, and I think it's pretty obvious Natalia isn't Buck's endgame, because they made it clear in the text. But that doesn't mean that every detail is put in to give hints on what's coming. It's a goofy procedural, it's not high art. I don't know how many people really believe those theories vs. how many people just have fun with them (like me), but I get what you're saying about it seeming really silly to anyone outside the bubble.

But re: missing the forest for the trees, I do think it's a little sad to get bogged down by the theories so much that it takes you out of digesting the actual media. You said that you "shipped them because narratively it made the most sense," and I guess I wonder if you don't think it makes narrative sense anymore, or if the popular theories seem so off the wall that you've written off any subtext that's actually coming from the show. And either is fine, but I remain firmly on the "it makes the most narrative sense" side of the aisle, although for more textual reasons than the goofy theories entertain (and I follow a lot of excellent blogs that do the same)

I think that you're really spot on with the slowburn aspect—s2-6a buddie was a developing close friendship, and a beautifully done one in my opinion. But it didn't read to me as romantic while watching casually, it read to me as a really significant platonic partnership. And I so agree that it's a really phenomenal foundation for an actual slowburn. After watching the episode last night, I think that might be the direction they're headed, and I don't think I'd feel that way if not for the couch of it all. But I've said it a few times on here, I don't see any way that this is the final act of their slowburn, because I don't feel there's been any burn yet. The fact that I'm starting to think there might be a reveal to the GA, a real will they/won't they, is what has me so firmly on the buddie canon train right now.

And yeah, Buck going in circles is how I'd put it, too. But as I said it to another anon, I get the feeling that this is the last circle for Buck before his series-long journey for happiness and self worth ends. I actually love the aspect of solving one problem with his perspective only to unearth another, deeper problem, but I can only watch that large man be sad in the exact same way so many times. As for Eddie's dating adventures, I'm feeling like they're making it clear that even though Pepa was the one to push him into it, he is actually interested in finding a partner for the right reasons.

Anyways, seems like we mostly agree and I'm either more optimistic or more delusional than you—only time will tell! Thanks for sharing your thoughts with me

drop your thoughts/theories/speculation on why you don't think buddie will go canon in my ask box because I'm curious (I'll be nice I promise)

I'm tagging all these posts with #anti-buddie and #buddie-neg if you want to filter

[poorly-drawn-mdzs]

No time for fashion, we have a stat bonus to collect.

[chronicowboy]

can't wait for eddie to come clean to buck about everything in the diaz kitchen in the dead of night and it's a tough conversation, a little ugly, and the lights are low and eddie can barely look at buck and buck can't look away because how did he miss this. he's always so wrapped up in a relationship when eddie needs him the most and he always ends up missing eddie's declines until he's already at rock bottom. but this isn't about him. this is about eddie. and eddie's tearing up and he's chasing his dead wife who he can't ever get back and he's drowning in guilt and he doesn't know what to do and buck doesn't know what to do either. but he remembers the knot in his stomach and the way it didn't untangle itself until eddie hugged him. so he moves round the island and wraps eddie in his arms and eddie breaks and buck holds him through it all.

[starstruckbyacomet]

The Underdog

They thought he was a himbo. A pretty face on a great body, with decent acting skills. Good enough to be the love interest of the main character for several episodes.

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It was a surprise when he rejected a full make out session. He opted for a gentle first kiss instead. It should be their first clue.

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He added a thoughtful detail to the scene. People noticed and loved it. The kiss went viral.

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At first, it was his good look which caught our eyes...

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Soon enough, his nuanced acting and thoughtful subtleties kept our attention.

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Within the limited dialogues and screen time he was given, he told the story through his soulful eyes and his micro expressions. We got the messages and we adored him.

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But they never wanted him to stay long. His time was measured. He had to say goodbye and walked away. And he took our hearts with him.

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So, when he turned his back on the door, we also turned our backs on the show.

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[bizarrescribblez]

anyways here’s a reminder that i love my non-sharing self shippers so much!! don’t let anybody tell you that you’re irrational or unreasonable or dramatic for being uncomfortable sharing your f/o!! your f/o loves you so so much and wouldn’t want it any other way!! 💕

[firefamily]

tbh at this point even if buddie doesn't happen I would still rather have spent my time getting excited about the possibility than dooming just to prevent being sad if it doesn't. I get people wanna protect themselves from disappointment but what's the point when the cost is making your current fandom experience miserable? Choose joy!

[patheticblorbloscholar]

Making Buddie canon wouldnt be revolutionary nor would the network keeping BuckTommy. The only show that could call itself revolutionary for the queer community was Queer as Folk. Literally EVERYONE was queer and it was all before the legalization of gay marriage and homophobia was at an all time high. I say this because the Buddie fandom is getting on my nerves, gain some perspective and learn your queer history.

[saveahorserideaneddie]

if buck sleeps with tommy kinard on my screen tomorrow i am actually closing on this show for good

it comes to a point where i can’t ignore the blatant excuse of racism and misogyny from an actor and a character just to keep bringing him back with the sole intent if shitting over people who have been fans of the show for years who want to see something meaningful actually played out for once

yall can continue to ignore it if yall want- but im not going to keep pushing it off to the side when tim minear has made it obvious that he does not care about positive queer rep, and that he does not care about poc fans who have spoken at length about how harmful it is for them to continue employing a known trump supporter on the show

[bestagons]

[checks wrist for year]

[cringefaildiaz]

I am actually so desperate to hear what people think is gonna happen if not buddie canon. like I'm INVITING the negativity into my ask box. please tell me what you think is coming I promise I won't be mean to you about what you think

[swordscleric]

I can't stop thinking about the post from a few days ago about how Critical Role has been great at doing personal faith but didn't put the necessary work in to discuss the religious/god angle of c3 in-depth. Like the fact that Cardinal Respa was linked to both the Dawnfather and the Chained Oblivion is, on a personal level, very interesting (fallen/corrupted priest goes hard) but like does that mean that there's a Papacy somewhere in Exandria dedicated to the Dawnfather? If so, are there more cardinals who ordain the bishops of the Dawnfather? Are there Conclave-level intrigues going on in the Dawnfather's Sistine Chapel? Why is the Dawnfather so Christianity-coded in vibes alone if there's no actual outline of his religious organisations? With Downfall the Dawnchild/Dawnfather thing makes the allusions to Christ as Son of God co-existing with the Father textual - was there a Dawnfather Schism around whether the Dawnchild was a separate mortal? Was there a Reformation about how the Dawnfather's Pope kept selling indulgences? Is that why the priest of the Dawnfather Grog & Pike offer a drink to doesn't partake because of a cultural shift between Protestant-Temperance-League-coded and Catholic-coded Dawnfather congregations? Why do I have so many questions about the religious organisation of one of the most important Prime Deities in Exandria and to Critical Role's 3 campaigns? How on earth were the cast (and us as the viewers!) meant to care about the gods if all they had were "really tall kings" instead of interrogating how religious organisations provide both a place of healing and community to a wide range of people and also a place of horrific harm and abuse for a wide range of people?

[starstruckbyacomet]

9-1-1: Mean Girls Edition

When the puppetmaster has a blindspot.

I've accused the 118 family for behaving like a high school clique towards Tommy. What do you mean they go no contact with Tommy after he and Buck broke up? After Tommy risked his job and his life to save Bathena? And in ep. 8x13 "Invisible", Bathena and Henren sent Buck home with a take out, while they were having dinner. That's after Buck did a hell lot of physical works for Hen.

Eddie is no better. Yes, he made up with Chris. He told Chris to live with him, and Chris gladly said yes. Did they talk about WHY CHRIS MOVED AWAY FROM EDDIE in the first place? Nope.

The big question is why? Why did Tim write his main characters to be unlikable like this?

I think he didn't mean it. I think Tim has a blindspot. He could only see things from his point of view, or the POV of whatever character he's writing the story for. He could't see other people's or other character's perspectives. This is a typical blindspot for self-centered people.

I don't think Tim deliberately wrote Eddie as a jerk who treated his Love Interests badly. I think Tim didn't want to give Eddie a permanent LI, similar like Buck. That way he could tease fans about Buddie until the show ended. Did he change his mind after the backlash? I don't know. If he did, I'm sure it's because ABC made him.

Unlike Buck, who was mostly left by his Love Interests, Tim made Eddie the one who left his LIs, with Shannon as an excuse. Perhaps, by using Eddie's undying love to Shannon, he wanted to make audience sympathize on Eddie. Well, the result is the opposite. Most of his audience members are middle age women. Of course they relate more to the LIs than Eddie. How could Tim not know this? Well, his self-centeredness got in the way. It is his blindspot.

It happened again when Tim made the 118 went no contact with Tommy after the break up. Tim wrote from Tommy's perspective. He might want to emphasize Tommy's loneliness. Did it work? Yes. Did he know that it also made the 118 family behave out of their characters. I don't think so. Because Tim didn't see the story from other people's perspective, as usual.

When Tim made Bathena and Henren let Buck go home with a takeout, he might do it for a comedic effect. Did he succeed? I don't think so. I didn't know anybody who laughed about it. Instead, I did read a bunch of Tumblr posts criticizing the scene.

I don't think Tim even realizes that he has this blindspot. If he does, the Shannon of it all had been addressed a few seasons ago. He also wouldn't be surprised that the audience took Tommy's side on the break up, although he had painstakingly reminded the audience several times that Tommy was the one who dumped Buck. We'd better prepare to see Eddie hurts another LI, and to see the 118 famlily treat Buck like a child again in Season 9.

[merthurians-prat-and-idiot]

No but its literally so in character for Buck to be jealous about Eddie & Tommy being friends! Buck's insecurities/abandonment issues come up when new people step in & leave him feeling like he's being replaced/left behind. We saw it when Eddie was first introduced- because he saw this new guy who was seemingly better at everything- his fear of losing his place on the team/his new family made him react. Same with the Lone Star crossover- it takes him time to feel comfortable around new people when he doesn't know where they stand in shifting the firefam dynamics. It's very Buck & it'll be cool to see that brought up & talked about!

[becausebuckley]

a hundred days to a steadfast heart (once upon a time) | buddie | sleeping beauty au | 20.9k

buck, a prince, falls into a magical coma and needs true love's kiss to wake him. eddie, his guard, looks for his true love, who might not be as far away as he thinks. or: the sleeping buck fic

Right now, though, Buck is in his bed. 

A bed he should have left ten minutes ago.

“Come on, bud,” Eddie says, drawing the blinds open to let the last dregs of sunlight of the day in. “Rise and shine, and all that. The dinner starts in forty minutes.”

Nothing. 

He frowns. Buck is a pretty deep sleeper, sure, but Eddie isn’t exactly speaking softly. 

He turns to the bed. 

Buck is lying on his back, face calm and peaceful. His chest rises slowly, his cheeks are tinged rosy. His hair is fluffy, having air-dried over the course of his nap, allowing his curls to fall naturally instead of being combed away with product. Eddie likes it best this way. It feels more like Buck instead of Prince Evan.

What doesn’t feel like Buck at all is the way he’s lying here. He’s so still, so perfectly centred in his massive bed. The sheets are barely even wrinkled. Eddie has been around a sleeping Buck often enough to know that he moves around a lot.

Frowning, he steps closer to the bed. He lightly touches Buck’s arm, then gives it a shake.

“Come on, Buck,” he says, voice rising when he gets no reaction. “Time to wake up.”

Still nothing.

read the full fic on ao3 here!

[somecunttookmyurl]

someone (blocked immediately for total lack of reading comprehension) in my notes proclaiming they make jewellery with "real gemstones" in that they can't even get people to "pay the cost of the stones" on because that would be $200-300 and i have never read a bigger load of bullshit in my life

ma'am if your supplier is charging you two hundred fucking dollars for enough gemstones to make one piece of jewellery you are a victim of the biggest scam since ea nasir. you can go and buy fully made fine jewellery for less than that and deconstruct it.

[boydykedevo]

CRAZIEST YEAR THEME EVER WHAT THE FUCK