#bring elsa home

[dalekofchaos]

Elsa Was Happy and Free in Arendelle

There have been a lot of people claiming that Elsa hated being queen, and that she was unhappy in Arendelle. I am here to provide evidence to show that this is not true and is not the reason why Elsa left her life in Arendelle at the end of Frozen 2.

The evidence is the words from the song writers for Frozen 1 and 2. Here is a link to the interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S14k8w72urQ, go to 10:52. If you don’t want to watch it, this is what is said.

“This Voice is calling her, and Elsa is so resistant. She is so grateful to be queen, she is so happy to be here. That is really important. And Jennifer Lee and Chris Buck really put in a lot of work to make sure we knew Elsa was happy where she was.” (Kristen Anderson-Lopez)

There is more, but you get the point. Elsa was very happy with her life in Arendelle. The reason she left, outside of the voice, is because she has a destiny and purpose she needs to fulfill. Elsa is now staying in the forest, not because she is finally free, but because she has something to do there that only she can do.

A lot of people like to use two sentences from “Into the Unknown”, to show Elsa did not like or belonged in Arendelle. These verses are, “Who knows deep down, I’m not where I’m meant to be”, “Every day’s a little harder as I feel my power grow”.

Both these verses are meant to point to Elsa questioning why she was born with powers, and not that she hates her life in Arendelle or does not belong there. If you were born with immense powers, would you not wonder why? Also, the second verse of her powers growing, originally was “As I feel YOUR power grow”, indicating the voice’s power was growing and luring her. Why they changed it, I don’t know, but the credits version of “Into the Unknown”, has these lyrics, which is interesting. But Elsa is fully in control of her powers, and even if they are still growing, she is not a danger to Arendelle, and does belong there.

More examples is the rest of “Into the Unknown”, where Elsa is very resistant to the voice calling her. She says, “Everyone I ever loved is here with in these walls”. There is also what she says in “Some things never change”, were she mentions that she feels change is coming, but these days are precious.

People then tend to use the books that came after Frozen 2 as evidence that Elsa loved the forest more and that she did not like her life in Arendelle.

Two things. The books are not canon, so you can not trust them. And, if you do want to use the books, then you have to also use what was written before Frozen 2. Here is an amazing post that shows all the examples of how Elsa loved her life in Arendelle, plus showing how Anna did not want to be queen, and in fact did not even like being a princess, in all the post Frozen books and comics. https://www.reddit.com/r/Frozen/comments/eviecu/mega_post_proof_that_elsa_never_want_to_leave/

I think this post really shows why Frozen 2’s ending does not work. It completely changed the characters’ wants and likes. Anna never wanted to be queen, and she would never like to do it. All post Frozen 2 material are trying to change that and push the Frozen 2 ending, even if it does not make sense for the characters and what had been established before.

As for Elsa leaving. She left because she had a greater purpose, but the biggest problem, was that the Directors and Writers failed to give her a purpose. No one knows what the Fifth Spirit is, or what Elsa does in the forest. People give suggestions, but nothing is good enough that she had to give up her throne and live in the Forest 24/7.

Now, before you point out that what Elsa does in the Forest is going to be revealed in Frozen 3 or 4, you have to remember that Frozen 3 / 4 was never planned to happen. The Directors confirmed that Frozen 2 was meant to be the ending. They said something like “That story is done. However, we also felt like the first film was the final, so who knows”. In short, Frozen 2 was meant to be the ending, but they still gave hope for another. But that does not change the fact that Disney was very ready to leave Elsa in the Forest to do nothing for the rest of her life.

Lastly, people are probably going to use Elsa’s satisfied smile at the end of Frozen 2.

For me, this was a very forced happy ending. The sisters had fought tooth and nail to stay with each other, only to be forced apart because of destiny. But Anna and Elsa are smiling happily and at peace in the end. The deleted scenes showed that their separation was a tearful one, and I don’t know why that was not in the movie. Now it just looks like the sisters don’t care about each other.

Other than that, just because Elsa is happy in this moment, does not mean she was never happy in Arendelle. The ending of Frozen, and all of Frozen Fever and Olaf’s Frozen Adventure, shows how unbelievable happy Elsa is as queen of Arendelle. She was forced to be apart from her sister and her people, because of her powers. After struggling for 13 years, feeling alone and afraid. Then her worst nightmares happen but she manages to get through them and is reunited with the people she loves and cares about. Elsa wanted to be in Arendelle and to be its queen.

Part of the reason why F2's ending doesn't work is because Elsa and Anna being happy to live apart is very OOC, especially when you take into account the events of the previous films and also the fact that they fought tooth and nail to stay together, like you said. You're right. The original ending was supposed to be bittersweet, but the directors didn't want to have a sad ending because kids would've left the theater disappointed, so they forced happy smiley faces on Elsa and Anna. It doesn't feel earned or consistent with their characters at all.

Elsa only stayed in the forest because she felt that she was the only one who could fulfill a certain destiny. If that's the case, then that gives us hope that whenever she fulfills that destiny, she'll be done with her duties in the forest. Then she'll move back to Arendelle for F3 and F4 and both sisters can be queens.

In conclusion. Elsa loved her life in Arendelle and loved being queen. She simply has a mission to fulfill in the Forest, and hopefully Frozen 3 or 4 tells us what that is.

[venusssus]

People (especially on twitter) are so negative about Frozen 3/4... Like, Try to be positive and believe it will be as good as Frozen 2 should have been. Is it really that hard to not be negative? And btw using hashtags like #RedeemHans or #Helsa can ALWAYS help, so why aren't we doing it? Be fr people, wake up before it’s too late to do anything. We need to let Disney know what we want. Unless you are all against what you say you love because there is no other explanation??? Wake up

[frozen-snowflakesandsunflowers]

BBC Jennifer Lee interview

Just a few days ago Jennifer Lee had an interview with BBC on “Who inspired Elsa and Anna”. So unfortunately she doesn't give any Frozen 3 hints or teasers. It's only a minute long but still I thought I'd share it just in case you guys have any thoughts on it. I didn't know about this interview 'til I saw it on twitter. So let me breakdown what she said.

She says:

“I am the youngest of two, it's sisters, so I look up to my sister, whose my Elsa, I am very much like Anna, and that authenticity of voice and we really wanted to earn that relationship with the sisters. He [Chris Buck] and I fought a lot about Olaf, so we found the right Olaf. And I say “fought” in quotes cause we don't really fight but and wanting to have a character that represents it's innocence, the most innocent love, and that is of a child and as we'd say and those kind of discoveries we get to make together was really about that celebration of the power of love and fear. And I think I've seen a lot of good influence stories but what I think I was seeing in the world a lot was to do with how fear can dominate and quickly cripple-ate. And the original story of the Snow Queen, it seems to be filled with negativity which is very similar so I think we wanted to put a film out that helps to show how to conquer fear with love.”

Here, Lee gives a brief background to what motivation and intention behind making Frozen was, having the iconic sisters based on her and her own sister and wanting Frozen to deal with love Vs fear because the original Snow Queen story dealt with fear too.

I personally don't know what I take of this but again I just thought I'd share just if anyone has some thoughts on what Jen Lee says here.

[katian13]

Не понимаю, почему все настроены на то, что Эльза не хотела быть королевой, доказывая скрином с коронации Эльзы, хотя её настоящие эмоции, без подавления, можно видеть в конце первой части - когда весь Аренделл видит её магию. Она была счастлива. Анну я до сих пор не вижу королевой, как не вижу и намёки во второй части, что ей бы этого хотелось. Да и странно это - значит, Эльза спокойно может выбрать, где ей быть, а Анну о том, что она - королева, взяла и поставила перед фактом, лишив сестру возможности выбора и времени на раздумья (как и странно, что у Эльзы есть якобы свобода, хотя по сути, у неё нет дома - нам это не показано, она просто скачет по лесу, но живёт ли в палатке Нортулдры или сотворила хижину изо льда - этого просто нет, хотя ей вообще не обязательно быть в лесу - в самом начале духи легко могли контактировать со всем, что есть в королевстве, с водоёмами, с огнём и остальным, выходит, что Эльза могла и как дух остаться в Аренделле, нахера эта драма?).

[leepunzel]

So, my OTHER source says that Iger is planning to get rid of some exectutives in feature animation and Pixar because he isn't happy about the flops.

I hope he takes into consideration Jen Lee injecting the hatred of her ex-husband into the studio's milestone projects because she clearly can't leave her baggage at home. And that doesn't say leader to me.

However, this could be a blessing if she's booted out and "Frozen" can get back on track after the strikes. Because what they had planned before Iger ruined it IS what society needs. All these people who hate Hans refuse to better themselves. They only see everything in black and white. They don't pay attention to the familial abuse he endured. They also weren't paying attention to how Elsa reacted to Anna's engagement or how he shows his real self to Elsa in the dungeon, much like Ben does with Rey. (And if they're trying to get that couple back on track...)

I've said before, I've seen a few movies Universal released that understood redemption and bettering yourself very well. Two of those happened to be cartoons...it's frankly embarrassing when the competition is doing what you're SUPPOSED to be doing and excelling at it.

They need to do THE RIGHT THING.

[defyinggravity-elsa-rp]

Hans always has that flirty look.

[midgardianqueenreturns]

Not very excited for Frozen 3, but if it returns Elsa to Arendelle (permanently, not for a visit) then I’ll happily accept it.

[defyinggravity-elsa-rp]

((I can't help but look at this girl and think, "How in the world did Jennifer Lee decide, 'Yes, she's a wild spirit who belongs in the woods with strangers.'" Frozen 2 ruined everything that made Elsa special.))

❤️ Little Elsa ❤️

Does anyone have or know of a nice fanedit/fanart of grown up Elsa with her child hairstyle with a blue hairband?

[dalekofchaos]

Context

Context for choice 4.

Hans finds the last piece to the mirror that has corrupted his heart and finds a world that has been completely taken over by the endless winter. In this universe, Anna never got the chance to save Elsa so she fully embraced her status as the snow queen. Hans tells her that there's a universe where Anna is still alive and Elsa plans an invasion.

Meanwhile, the real Elsa catches wind of this and has to find a way to stop them. Hans chooses to side with the real Elsa and Anna and sends Evil Elsa back.

Mirror Hans theory

Choice 8 context.

Frozen 3 would be a political drama about Arendelle facing an imminent war against the rest of the world. As the Duke of weselton created a council of nations who are plotting to destroy Arendelle and more specifically Elsa and the other elementals. The duke has also caused a coup in the southern isles and put Hans in power so that they could have the isle’s navy.

With their combined strength they would impose a treaty on the relatively weak Arendelle and force them to either contain Elsa and make her stop using all her magic and destroy all magic related creatures IE the trolls and Olaf. Elsa, unable to go through with these demands consult Anna who is very conflicted. After some back and forth Elsa gets angry and leave to prepare to attack the united world navy with the rest of the elemental creatures.

Anna will then have to race against time to negotiate with the other nations as Elsa and the navy get closer to fighting. Now due to it being a Disney film I think Elsa will have to miracoulsy not kill anyone while the fighting the potentially hundreds of battleships firing cannons at her and the water horse thing but it would be cool. They could let the lizard thing burn the gunpowder and force the ship to sink while gale and the golems could eliminate enemy soldiers.

For an example of how Agnar and Iduna could be villains, see my alternate Frozen 2 post.

[venusssus]

I think that this Hans from Disney California Adventure is the only one that we as a very hopeless and delusional fandom can trust.

He said he’s expending scopes, travels to weselton and in this video - something about having flowers. So…Why is he next to the Enchanted Forest? Are they teasing us for Helsa huh? Cause I’m all for it.

[frozen-snowflakesandsunflowers]

Elsa's return home | Theory

Most of us didn't like the ending of Frozen 2. It got us quite sad and disappointed with how the sisters separated. Frozen wasn't the only film to have its loved protagonists go their separate ways. Toy Story 4, How To Train your Dragon and Wreck It Ralph 2 also did that. These were done with the intention of ending the movie franchise and having the characters finally find their destiny, their purpose in life. But with Toy Story and Frozen, it looks like it really wasn't the end of the franchise and I'm hoping it's because they see that they way they left off and tried to end it, was heartbreaking and not the way it should be.

Ever since Disney announced Frozen 3, some of us have been begging Disney and the Frozen team to bring Elsa back home, reuniting the sisters permanently. In a way Frozen 2 was a reverse of Frozen in their way of having the sisters separated then reuniting then having them together then separating. But if you look at Frozen 2 from a different perspective you'll see why the movie is not that bad and the ending could be necessary for Elsa's character arc in Frozen 3 and 4.

With the rumour that Frozen 3 will need in a cliffhanger with Frozen 4 picking it up from that ending, the threat for this next story would have to be big. Bigger than just a prince/ king finding power threatening and killing a leader of a tribe/ kingdom. Bigger than the spirits going wild and causing chaos in Arendelle. And that big event that this big villain causes would have to bring Elsa back to Arendelle until it's over. But as they go through this big adventure, Elsa would learn that she needs Anna more than she realises. Anna needs her more than she realises.

To understand what Elsa would have to understand to go back home forever in upcoming movies, let's find out and understand why she left Arendelle in the first two movies.

[Long post alert]

Elsa's departure in Frozen

Elsa left Arendelle in the first movie because she feared to hurt people, especially Anna, accidentally with her magic. The moment her powers unleashed to the ballroom, she saw fear in everyone's eyes.

She feared them feeling disappointed, deceived, fearing, no longer trusting her, especially Anna. She had already hurt Anna once and doesn't dare to do it again accidentally. She knows Anna needs her but doesn't want her to come close to her just in case Elsa's fear causes another accident which is exactly what happens at the ice castle. After she built her ice castle she wasn't really free or at least she wasn't happy. She still lives with the trauma of hurting Anna for the very first time when they were little. When she did hurt Anna again , she didn't realise she hurt her, with her magic. She probably thought it had slipped on ice, because when Anna entered the palace she was seen sliding on ice. But Elsa's reaction was that fear of hurting her even the slightest. To Elsa the fact that she slipped made her panic into creating the monster Marshmallow and getting Anna out if here before her fear takes over again. After that Elsa was walking around her palace trying to “conceal it, don't feel it”. Her fear was getting stronger so much so that her ice palace turned red and grew sharp icicles inwards. This fear wasn't just for Anna but for Arendelle after learning that she froze the kingdom accidentally.

Hans and his guards enter the palace next and cause Elsa to become angry with the guards for coming to kill her, turning the palace yellow or golden rather. Elsa wasn't ready to die yet. She had so much going on, she wanted to learn to control it so she could at least unfreeze Arendelle. But after Hans told her to not “be the monster they fear you are”, she stopped, feeling what Hans had just said. Realising that she doesn't want to prove them right, but wrong. But the scene ended with Elsa falling unconscious and being imprisoned in her castle's dungeon.

In a conversation with Hans, she tells him she can't undo this winter, he doesn't know how. That's when it stuck Hans that he now has no choice but to kill Elsa if it means returning Arendelle's summer back and keeping the people safe again. Elsa's fear rises and the chains start to freeze as well as the dungeon causing them to break and Elsa escaping. Hans soon finds her out in the blizzard and tells her she hurt Anna with a frozen heart causing her to die (to Hans he genuinely believed she was dead at the time). Elsa realises that she didn't slip on ice but struck her.. in the heart. She looks at her hands in fear and falls on her knees.

Hans draws his sword doing what must be done, according to him. But Anna saves her freezing into the final stage of solid ice. Elsa looks up at Anna in such horror - her worst nightmare became true. She holds Anna. A thing to notice is that the ice is so cold that it broke Hans' sword causing the force to knock Hans unconscious, but Elsa was the only one bake to hold her. Not just because the cold doesn't bother her but because she was the kind of love needed to save Anna.

Anna thawing, and returning the changed memories of Elsa's magic, gets Elsa to open up the gates and stay with Anna. She no longer has to fear hurting anyone because she realised love, Anna's unconditional sisterly love, was the key to controlling her emotions, her powers.

Elsa's departure in Frozen II

This is three years after the events of the first movie. Everything is fine or so it seems. Elsa starts to hear these calls, a siren and she's the only one who can hear it. This gets her to feel something is coming that'll change things up. But she decides to ignore the call and seize the day with Anna and her new found family. But as the call keeps returning, Elsa's fear of change grows and gets her to sit out of the next round of the charades game until Anna comes and Elsa tells her that she doesn't want to mess anything up again. But again the call rings during her sleep but Elsa decides to listen to what it's trying to tell her. She lets her power go, creating scenes of the enchanted forest and the elemental spirits. And as her power flows it heads North and Elsa comes to the realisation that the siren wants her to go North, to the enchanted forest. As the elements get disturbed in Arendelle the citizens run up to the cliffs and Pabbie tells Elsa until they go to the forest and sets the past right, he can't see a future for Arendelle. Elsa is given one more reason to go North, for Arendelle's safety and protection. Elsa wants to go alone originally because she doesn't want to risk anyone getting hurt by whatever adventure this leads to but after Anna tells Elsa everything she endured three years ago she agrees.

Entering the forest Elsa encounters the Air and Fire spirit calming them down from the rage of being woken up. Through taming them the sisters found out Iduna was Northuldra, and knowing that they are a part of this culture gives another reason for Elsa to go dive into this past issue that must be solved.

Going further North they encounter their parents ship and going inside they find out their parents were on their way to Ahotohallan to find out about Elsa's powers, in hopes to help Elsa learn to control it and reunite their daughters. But Elsa takes this as another one of her few reasons to go and avenge their death. The dark sea was dangerous and killed her parents and she wouldn't want to take that risk with Anna or Olaf so she pushed them down back to the forest while Elsa tried to cross the sea.

As she does she tames the water spirit, she rides to Ahotohallan. For the first time she trembles in nervousness and excitement because she's finally going to find out who she's meant to me, where her powers come from, what her purpose in life is. Going further into the frozen river, she finds out her mother has been the one calling her, and she transforms into a white dress that represents the four elemental spirits, as the fifth spirit. She then goes through frozen figures of memories and in there she sees her grandfather talking to an Arendellian soldier and she learns that he fears magic, and makes the damn as a trick. Elsa then literally dives deeper to find out the truth that he killed the Northuldrian leader. She starts to freeze and uses her last bit of magic to send Anna the truth.

After Anna finds out what she has to do, she gets the giants to break the damn. As the dam is broken the mist is lifted and Elsa is then unfrozen and drowns through the break of the ice floor. The Nokk saves her and rushes to Arendelle to prevent a flood in Arendelle, then rushes back to see Anna. The sisters reunite and Anna finds out that she's the fifth spirit, she's the bridge but Elsa says “actually, a bridge has two sides” hinting or signaling the fact that Anna is somewhat the Fifth Spirit too. Elsa tells Anna that Arendelle deserves to stand with Anna. In a deleted scene of an extension or alternative to this reunion scene, Anna asks Elsa “You're not coming back, are you?” and Elsa tells her she doesn't know how or when the Northuldra or the spirits will need her but she wants to be there if and when they do.

She is aware that magic can cause dissatisfaction and fear to some people so if someone does try to harm the magic now that it's open to the world, she wants to be able to save them. If she stayed in Arendelle and she was needed, it would take her a day to get there no matter what she uses as her mobility.

Possible cause for Elsa's return in Frozen 3/ 4

It's understandable but it's not a satisfactory explanation for us fans because we know that the sisters are meant to be together. Elsa was able to control her powers because of Anna's love, and was able to save Arendelle and the forest because of Anna. They learn things from each other that help them grow. And yes Frozen 2 was originally going to be the end of the movie franchise but now that we have two more coming up, more is in them to unclock and they won't be able to do that separately.

So we learn that Elsa first left because of her fear of hurting Anna, but then reunited after learning that love overpowers that fear. Three years later, Elsa fears change but then faces it and leaves again to protect the forest from whatever threats may arise or whatever she may be needed for.

But what will make her return home this time and for good? What will her fear be this time? The theme is always love Vs something. Frozen was love vs fear and Frozen 2 was love vs change. Elsa and Anna's love makes them face their fears and the changes. So what could be the theme for Frozen 3 or 4, going by what we have in the media post Frozen 2?

Trust? Fear Vs trust?

Lately we have been getting some Hans content. He's in the Once Upon a Studio short, he's in the World of Frozen storyline (set between Frozen Fever and Frozen 2), is indirectly mentioned a few times in the podcast which has a theme of trust and is included (and not "demonized"), standing side by side with Elsa, Anna, Kristoff and Olaf in Season 5 of the game Disney Speedstorm. And I don't think Hans recent inclusion in Disney/ Frozen content is a coincidence. When we think of Hans some think of betrayal, deceit... Anna fell in love with him and with love comes trust, the kingdom too trusted him after Anna put him in charge, Elsa too when she told him to take care of Anna for her. To everyone's unexpected belief, he turned on them all and told Anna he was after the throne and attempted to kill Elsa. Now, to be fair I don't think it's just about killing Elsa because the council did pressure him into taking this ultimate decision as they could see no other way to bring back summer when Elsa isn't doing so. So it's more about taking over the throne which he revealed to Anna, that gets everyone angry. They don't know his backstory and Hans' did give away much of it so all they can see is him as a greedy prince feeling power hungry.

From what we the fandom know about him background based in the media, is that he was and is treated poorly by his family thinking him as weak and unworthy because he's the youngest in the family and the last in line to the throne. So it makes sense that he wanted the throne to show his family that he is worthy of not the throne but what the throne symbolises, love, respect, worthiness, etc. But he didn't reveal that to Anna because he was filled with frustration and stress from all the things he had to do as the one in charge of the kingdom such as make sure people are safe and warm as Elsa causes the winter, make sure Anna is safe because of this blizzard, deal with Elsa because Anna had pushes Elsa into creating this winter.

But the point is, currently in the franchise Hans symbolises betrayal - the opposite of trust.

So having a movie with the trust them playing along with because love Vs trust is actually quite an interesting and important topic to focus on, would bring Hans back to resolve that issue with trust. Elsa's status with Hans was shown clearly in Frozen 2. She doesn't trust him because of what he did to Anna and what he was going to do to Arendelle. Hans coming back into the picture would get Elsa generally anxious despite if Anna doesn't seem concerned about Hans or he isn't after Arendelle. Elsa would fear trusting Hans. But if she faced that fear, if she did trust Hans for once, let love trust Hans, it could save whatever is at threat.

Maybe Elsa fears people like Hans being a threat to the forest and so trusting Hans would get her to let go of that need to be there for the forest that has its guard up all the time. Maybe there's a way for the spirits to roam around in Arendelle so the Nokk would be Elsa's ride from Arendelle to the forest or wherever. I hope you see what I'm getting at here. It just makes sense because it would bring back Elsa home, bring back Hans and have him redeemed, maybe have Helsa or have it hinted at, and have a happier ending to what Frozen 2 gave us.

What Elsa's return home means for the Queens

Elsa being back home doesn't mean that Elsa should be Queen while Anna is demoted down to Princess, becoming a step back from what Frozen 2 achieved for their individual arcs, even though some prefer that option. I originally did it until I came up with a better option; having them both Queens as co-rulers. I know this has never happened before in reality and never in Disney but who says we can't have a first?

Anna has learnt to become independent through experiencing the grief she felt when stuck in the cave alone in Frozen 2 and now as Queen making independent decisions. But she isn't really alone as she has Kristoff, Sven and Olaf. This would also help her to not be too clingy or needy for Elsa and know that she can protect herself too. Elsa on the other hand is now alone but in different circumstances compared to her moving to the North Mountain in Frozen. Elsa though isn't really alone either, she has the Northuldrians and the spirits of Nature. And at least once a week on Fridays the sisters would meet to catch up and play charades. So you could say they have a balance of being independent and being social. But is it the right balance? Having the together this time they would still have their independence from time to time because now they learnt to respect and understand each other's alone time while also understanding that they have each other for comfort and to share things with.

With Elsa being called Queen in Arendelle and also the Snow Queen doesn't quite make sense because she's not legally?... royally?... a Queen. She's not even the Queen of Northuldra as they have their leader as Yelena. Elsa is the fifth spirit, the protector, hero, saviour of both Arendelle and the forest while Anna's the Queen of just Arendelle. Moving back home the hero title or the Princess title wouldn't fit quite right.. and perhaps after whatever they have just endured, Anna could make Elsa crowned again announcing that now Arendelle had two Queens. It would also stand with Elsa's line of Iduna having two daughters and a bridge that has two sides. Plus Elsa did say “We did this together and we'll continue to do this together” so I'm almost certain that this time the “together” will actually stand by its definition.

Conclusion

So to conclude this post, I think that the theme of Frozen 3 or 4 will be trust and would hence bring Hans back for redemption and get Elsa to go home and learning to trust gets Elsa to let her guard down in the forest and return home with Anna making her Queen having Arendelle be the first kingdom to have two Queens. That's how I predict Elsa will return to Arendelle.

If you have a better theory please do share and maybe I might do a part 2 to Elsa returning home theories.

[venusssus]

I do agree with everything you say. Even tho I feel so bad for Anna and I know she is tired of Elsa constantly leaving her, but I get Elsa’s point of view.

But as you said „Elsa did not go back to Arendelle willingly. She was knocked out and dragged back while unconscious.”

Well. Hans brought her back.

She is alive thanks to him, she saw her sister again thanks to him.

I can go on and on about how much Hans cared for Elsa.

THE funniest thing about ppl screaming and crying and throwing up saying that Elsa should go “home” to Arendelle is that she does not want to be there. She literally does not. You, her self-proclaimed stan, should know this! What do you think Let It Go is about? It’s literally just her saying, over and over, that she feels so much better being on her own! The First Time in Forever reprise reiterates this. “Yes I’m alone, but I’m alone and free.” Ppl act like she only wanted to be away from Arendelle bc she was concerned for Anna’s (and everyone else’s) safety, but that’s just not true. It isn’t.

And we know that it isn’t bc, I will say this once again, I don’t know how many times I have to say it but Elsa did not go back to Arendelle willingly. She was knocked out and dragged back while unconscious. She stayed once she made up with Anna and everything, but she did not choose Arendelle. She chose to be with her sister, bc she loves her and felt guilty about the past 13 years. But even that is not perfect, as shown in Frozen Fever and Olaf’s Frozen Adventure, Elsa still carries a ton of guilt about all that. Arendelle is a haunted place for her. As much as she loves Anna, as much as she’s accepted by the townspeople now, the fact that she grew up imprisoned in that castle is not going to change. She is unhappy there. It stopped being her “home” a long time ago, now it’s just a symbol of everything that went wrong in her life–everything she did wrong. (Yes, she was a kid, and it was an accident, and it’s not her fault, etc. But that’s not how it feels to her, we know this.) She doesn’t like it there. She feels restless and unfulfilled, this is the whole point of Into the Unknown. She spends half the song trying to convince herself that she’s happy where she is, but we know she isn’t. WE KNOW THIS. She’s happier than she was, but she grew up miserable so that doesn’t mean anything, actually. She does not want to be in Arendelle! It was made clear many times!

So when Elsa finally finds the place where she does feel at home, in Ahtohallan and the Enchanted Forest and wherever the hell else she feels like… You want to take that away from her? When she’s finally happy in a place she chose? Excuse me? And you claim to love her? You don’t love her! You love some idea of her you created in your head and project onto, which is your business, but don’t ever sit there and say that Elsa leaving makes no sense, or that she was OOC in Frozen II, or whatever it is you freaks say. You’re wrong. You are literally, objectively wrong, and it was spelled out for you many, many times. Get the fuck over it.

[katian13]

Эльза и Пятый Дух – это разные понятия. И разнятся они самой Эльзой, её фразой, что не только она, но и Анна является частью моста. Но почему же тогда Анна не является Духом, почему у неё нет магии? Значит, Эльза тоже не Дух. Если исходить из «Аватара», то так именовался некто, у которого главной была магия своего народа, но он также мог повелевать и другими стихиями, пусть и не всеми в идеале, одна обязательно была бы сложной для освоения (обычно это была стихия народа, в котором родился предыдущий Аватар), но суть в том, что все стихии были подвластны одновременно только Аватару. С Духом, вроде бы, должно быть также, но разве у Эльзы есть магия огня или земли? Лёд – это воздух и вода одновременно, но больше ничего. И это при том, что, помимо этого, Эльза способна создать жизнь (Олаф и Зефирка), одежду, выстроить целый Ледяной Замок за секунды, с проработанным орнаментом и резьбой. Но ни огня, ни земли по-прежнему нет. Тем более, слишком многое также намекает на то, что Пятый Дух – средоточие всех Духов, и под это описание больше подходит кое-что неоживлённое – Ахтохаллэн – средоточие магии, пристанище Духов, что, словно магнит, поселило их здесь, в Нортулдре. И, послушав фанов за бугром, назрел вопрос: Эльза была рождена Пятым Духом или всё же, после того, как замёрзла, пробудилась Духом?

[leepunzel]

Looks like Jen Lee could be getting canned...hopefully the story department can fix this mess without her baggage and caving into the wrong people.

[defyinggravity-elsa-rp]

((Who has two thumbs and needs to practice drawing more?))

[unproduciblesmackdown]

always enjoyed the Chess Set In The Foreground perspective framing used here

now also noting like, huh, a chess set in a general store just visited by marigold competitors who killed one of their guys and are now on the way back from their rendezvous point w/suppliers