#books nico hates

[aroaceleovaldez]

it was a thing for awhile in the fandom (and still is) to focus on one demographic a character is a part of while ignoring others like they can only exist one at a time (primarily being erasing disability traits or experiences the characters describe, usually by taking a trait meant to indicate one thing and claiming it can only indicate a separate thing and never anything else)

but the absolute biggest offender will always be when Rick and Mark Oshiro just fully did that in The Sun And The Star. like. oh okay. this is what we're doing now. and fully said it too. "Nico only likes Mythomagic to look at the hot men on the cards" ah yes of course it's definitely not because. he has adhd (and autism coding) and Mythomagic is his hyperfixation/special interest. nah that couldn't be it. Because of course Nico's only trait is "Gay" and that's the only thing that can inform his character Ever. How could i be so silly as to think otherwise? (sarcasm sarcasm)

anyways the fandom could really stand to learn about intersectionality that'd be great. rick too probably. also just remember disability exists in general and is kind of very central to the series and nearly every character. thanks.

[somewhereincairparavel]

i have ALWAYS promptly looked forward to jason grace's povs in the hoo books to the point where'd I'd flip the pages till I find the words "JASON" and would count the amount of povs he has in the whole book before I even finished reading, so I feel excited knowing that I'll get to his povs soon. there, I said it.

[coirinthyurilo]

Can we talk about how Will just somehow survived Tartarus despite the odds against him? And how he still loves Nico despite it?

(Also talking about how Will is genuinely such a great boyfriend, Nico is so lucky fr fr.)

Like we just witnessed him actively DYING in Tartarus. Why are we pretending it's not that serious?

Sure, the book itself doesn't feel as dramatic as Percabeth's journey in Tartarus. But it's still actively dangerous.

EXTREMELY dangerous for Will especially. Nico, he's been there. He's been in Tartarus. He's also affected by it too. Clearly both of them are affected because Nico almost DIED in his last one.

And then we have Will actually dying, getting weaker as he travels deeper into the underworld with nothing but a sun lamp to keep him alive.

So why are we only focusing on Nico and Percabeth's journey when Will canonically had the hardest time there? 😭

Sure the entire book is about Nico and Will's character development and their relationship growing stronger by the end.

But can we not invalidate Will's journey THROUGH IT? I've seen many people forget Will is a survivor, sure with Nico's help. But without him he's guaranteed to die.

Still doesn't mean that he's not a strong character, he survived TARTARUS you gotta be HELLA strong as it is? He's also saved Nico's life multiple times in the book.

He may be a healer but it also doesn't mean he's not capable. Only to an extent.

It's sad how some people ignore the book just because it feels like a fanfic when it's not?? It's their journey as a couple, it's FOCUSED ON THEIR RELATIONSHIP.

That's different to Percabeth the book was focused on GETTING THEM OUT mostly.

That's Percabeth was down there unwillingly.

Solangelo traversed to Tartarus WILLINGLY.

That's the difference between two books. If they were down there against their will they might be more at stake because they're fighting for their lives. Trying to get out.

But they're down there to save their friend, so yes it's going to be different— because the main plots is different. 😭😭😭

So with all of the odds clearly AGAINST Will it's remarkable that he somehow survived it all.

Like he had a BAD fall, Tartarus was literally killing him to the point his body is unraveling itself, making bigger wounds. He had a taste of pain of the River Styx. (Even if it's a dream.)

He was CLEVER to use their circumstances and information to send a mania away from them to avoid extra danger. Even if it made Nico unsettled. It was necessary.

He went against a fricking nightmare demon. He went against NYX. And then we have him talking to Persephone for some part of it.

The bravest thing he's done? Was him completely accepting and understanding despite seeing the true nature of Nico's home.

Of where Nico originates. Will stayed with him, despite seeing EVERYTHING BAD about it. All the horrors, and terrors.

And yet there's good in it.

He's still came to the conclusion that this is what Nico is. With all the bad, there is still just a bit of good that makes the entire thing worth it.

I rest my👏 FUCKING 👏CASE.

[highasthesea]

Hazel has the earth and gems, Nico has the dark and dead, so what does Bianca get from her fathers cold blood and hands?

[thedevilandhisgrandmother]

Just finished reading house of Hades

Emotional trauma galore

[thaliasthunder]

the boy everyone ran scared from turned out to be the inspiration of many i am breaking down on the floor

[raapija]

King of Denmark and his Prince Consort visiting the Las Vegas grand prix of 2024 👑

[hopefulrunaways]

✨MORE ACTORS AU✨

Nico lore edition (Percy's lore is next it just i don't have so much time rn)

[Will Davis, 20yo.

Appered in the PJO series, but never interacted with Nico there.

Percy remembers him.

Recently they're premiered a serie where they're costars. It's a teen romance (heartsttopers type sh't) so it's all over the internet with ships.]

Relationship with Jason, i love these two

[Jason Grace 22yo

They´re coincided in varius proyects after Nico ended PJO, they just short of started hanging out and become friends (Jason was very insistent and Nico found it amusing)

They started to get jobs togetther a lot and kinda become a package deal, in and out of work]

[bright-eyes-strawberry-lies]

Btw if you want more solangelo content that doesn't make you want to commit crimes against Rick and Mark you can just ignore whatever they write and read fanfiction. There's over 10,000 solangelo fics on AO3 alone. You don't HAVE to read the cash grab book.

[thebaronsilver]

First of the bat, let me say this as a disclaimer. I love the og Percy Jackson series. Secondly, my fav character is Nico and then the Percy from the og series.

Do you know why I make this distinction? Because, Heroes of Olympus ruined Percy's basic characteristics.

Just think, this is the percy who was bullied in almost every school he attended (except, maybe, Goode). Even, camp half blood,till he came back from the first quest. This is the guy with so strong a sense of loyalty that he was willing to get into trouble with the teachers for Grover when they studied together, was willingly an outcast because he would rather be friends with the one guy everyone picked on and thus be bullied himself. He was pretty excited to have a brother once he got over the whole Cyclops thing, too. This is the same guy who spent all his free time looking for a runaway kid who said he hated him. Maybe it was out of misplaced guilt. Maybe it was due to the fact this guy big brothered everyone he could get away with. (Atleast, I felt like that.)

While we're on that issue. Was Nico right to blame Percy for Bianca's death? Absolutely, not. But he was also a grieving ten year old who just lost his only family (even though she had, in a way, already left him behind. But that's an entirely different rant on the Hunters as an institutions. Bianca was also a child, remember.). And considering that Nico changed his tune once he found the truth out and even helped Percy and the camp willingly afterwards, I like to think he more than made up for that mistake.

There's even a part where Percy refuses to burden Nico with the prophesy and claims it for himself. Considering that till then he was trying not to even think about it, I believe we can easily claim that Nico was in some ways important to Percy. Maybe not in the same way his Mom, Annabeth Or Grover was to him, but still an important person.

Then we have in the last Olympian, Percy using Nico as an example why Children of Hades shouldn't be treated as Pariahs. Because if not for him and the reinforcements his powers brought (not even counting the three whole deities he brought along) the casualties would have been higher. (It was Hades who locked Percy up. He even confirms that Nico hadn't had a clue. Nico in turn broke him out and got himself in trouble. Then in a turn of events, Percy starts to blame Nico for something that wasn't in his control. A reversal of roles so to speak. I had thought that it had been momentary anger on Percy's part, but apparently considering all the references to how Nico betrayed him in the HoO, it wasn't. He'd pushed it aside momentarily, it seems.)

Percy was not to blame for what happened to Nico in the original series. Life isn't fair and it just happened to be extra unfair to Nico. Even then Percy went out of his way to look after the kid, to make sure he had a safe space.

This is the Percy who I liked. The Son of Neptune only emphasised this. Even without his memories, he took Hazel and to a lesser extent Frank under his wings. He actually recognised Nico in a vague way. Not just Annabeth (which is something else I have beef with. What about his mother? Why didn't he remember Sally till a lot later and even then he didn't let her know he was safe till a lot later?)

Then comes the Mark of Athena. He apparently told so many horror stories to the 7 that there was a debate on whether or not they should save a 13 year old demigod, the brother to one of them, from a preventable death. This wasn't like the Titan war were demigods could be the enemy. Then why was there even a debate? It's like all that loyalty disappeared. This is the guy that was once bullied at every school he's attended. Doesn't he know the impact of telling tales when people aren't there to defend themselves? To tell the whole story? Then House of Hades. Every single person in that ship thought that Nico was spooky, creepy whatever and all that poor kid was doing was exist. He made himself scarce, barely spoke unless necessary and even then they were like ew, creepy. It's like Percy's personal loyalty became loyalty to just Annabeth. Fuck whatever happens to anyone else. It upsets me.

The later books ruined Percy as a character. And I will stand by this.

[multi-fandom-lunatic]

guys..... i KNOW that tsats wasn't perfect but please please please im begging yall to calm down with the hate of a book that hasn't been released!!! let us desperate solangelo fans EAT THIS SHIT UP

[aroaceleovaldez]

Nico and Percy's dynamic through the series is eternally funny to me, because it's just. like.

Percy's having a constant mental struggle between his fatal flaw of loyalty with a promise he made to Bianca to protect Nico, versus his Big 3 kid desire to maim other Big 3 kids / Poseidon descendant urge to totally maim Nico specifically. He hates Nico so so much. He thinks Nico's annoying and weird at best, and creepy/sketchy when he's older. The only positive thoughts Percy has towards Nico are "He's Bianca's brother and Bianca was my friend and I owe her/He's Hazel's brother and Hazel is my friend and would kill me if I was mean to him," "He's a powerful asset and useful ally (if questionable)," and "He's kinda pathetic and I feel maybe a little bad about it." Percy has multiple occasions throughout the series where he strongly considers - and on one occasionally actually goes through with - throttling Nico.

Meanwhile, Nico is following around Percy like a lost puppy. He explicitly can never bring himself to even dislike anything about Percy no matter how hard he tries. He has a whole bit in BoO where he's mentally going "UGH he's so stupid BUT IT'S ENDEARING HOW DARE HE." He's totally smitten. He's making deals with his dad for Percy. He's making convoluted plans to help Percy stand a chance against Kronos. During the entirety of BoTL it's like he's playing tsundere - "I'm helping NOT PERCY SPECIFICALLY with this quest! Me helping Percy would be SILLY because I DEFINITELY HATE HIM." Then he proceeds to show up to Percy's birthday party to basically ask him on a weird date and spend the entire next book scrambling around trying to help him or protect him or impress him. And Percy could not give less of a shit.

Just. That dynamic is so funny to me. Percy is the founder of the Nico Protection Club in that he's the one they're all protecting Nico from and meanwhile Nico is throwing himself at Percy to the point where the literal god of gay love calls him out on it.

[liberty-barnes]

me looking at everyone hating on tsats like yikes

sorry you couldn't see that this book was literally about nico learning to accept that his trauma is part of him but doesn't control him and he can live alongside it without shoving it down or letting it take the lead

sorry you didn't realise that the underworld was literally killing will and just overall being a physical manifestation of everything he was taught to fear, hate, and fight against but he still managed to do a complete 180 and accept his own darkness as well as nico's because he wants to be better

sorry you didn't realise how the mere fact that this book, part of an extremely popular franchise read by children everywhere, will help literally thousands of kids accept themselves and their identity by constantly showing us non cishet people and couples and talking about the struggles of being queer but showing that it's very much possible to achieve happiness

sorry you can't see how amazing this book is

couldn't be me

[someonecomegettheirchild]

I do think that it’s hilarious that fanon regulus black is LITERALLY just nico di angelo. When the mauraders girlies discover heros of olympus ITS OVER!

[sukibenders]

I feel like Percy ultimately falls into the trap that many main characters in shows and books do where they get blamed for every little thing, even though they literally have/had no control over the situation or reacted in a way that, to fans, who sometimes have more knowledge than them, didn't like even though in the moment it makes sense. Don't even get me started on when you start adding side characters, because then that really gets the fandom going on trying to find ways to hate the main character for no reason, it's wild (eg. Alina Starkov, Harry Potter, I could go on!).

[luvingsolace]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and if you didn’t like tsats that’s completely valid, however I truly feel like many of y’all are making shit up… because yes, the book is indeed not the best book ever written, but some of you guys just completely erase 90% of it and MAKE UP critiques abt things that are literally NOT THERE

Which is funny but, also, what are you saying?

For instance, I’ve seen many many people saying that tsats heavily suggested a “Will is trying to fix Nico” narrative and let me tell you! You need reading glasses, because that did NOT happen. One of the main points in Will’s character development was quite literally and explicitly him accepting his own darkness, and the fact that it’s okay to not always and solely be “light”. I don’t know what could possibly make y’all say otherwise when it’s not even “heavily implied” but EXPLICIT that’s what happened. There’s a very present change bwtween how Will reacts to the underworld initially (qnd I could make a whole post abt it cause y’all need to lowkey give him a break) and how he does later in the book. Or maybe I should mention the whole Aphrodite scene? Or his reaction to the cocopuffs (=literally Nico’s demons)? Or even the JOKE of the “really dark toast”??

What on earth did you guys read?

Not to mention people who critic things that got solved in the books… like that’s also wild as well im sorry ijbol😭😭 (mind you, it’s never a critique abt HOW an issue was solved in tsats, which would be valid and make sense. Its just a complaint about something either of the previous books or that was made up, and later got explicity solved in tsats)