#black clover theory

[thelazuliwitch]

Black Clover Theory

Okay gotta credit where credit's due, so please check out this video by Plot Armor: SHOCKING BLACK CLOVER SECRET! THE TRUTH ABOUT LUCK'S MAGIC! - Black Clover

But to summarize the theory, it's that Luck is the illegitimate son of a noble, most notably Charlotte's father, which is supported by 1. Luck's incredible power that has him rivaling most captains in terms of strength, but also 2. That Luck and Charlotte were possessed by elves Charla and Lufulu who were siblings. And we know from Drowa and Eclot who are reincarnated to be Gauche and Marie that as siblings are likely to reincarnate again as siblings. Also Charlotte and Luck look alike, but Luck's mom also was blonde-haired and blue-eyed, so that doesn't say much, but more importantly their grimoires have similar motifs. Charlottes:

Luck's:

Both are blue, with a yellow border, featuring a floral/vines pattern. Which for Luck I always found somewhat odd, especially the grapes. But something to know is that, according to Fine Art Restoration, grape symbolism is "classically symbolic of the ancient god Bacchus, who was known for his debauchery." Which kind of matches the theory that Luck could be a bastard son of a noble. but taking a closer look I did breifly wonder if they were not grapes, but raspberries, which are an aggregate drupe conveniently related to roeses. But looking at the leaves on his grimoire, I still like they are just grapes. As these are are raspberry leaves:

Versus these grape leaves:

Which look more similar to the leaves on Luck's grimoire and other common depictions of grape leaves the longer I did some reasearch:

(that and raspberries don't grow on vines). So definitely grapes! But I don't think that debunks the theory, if anything the symbolism of something that both symbolizes debauchery and wealth if anything supports it. And also somewhat Luck's mother's behavior, which Plot Armor says themselves. (Also would be really funny if the Black Bulls just have another sibling of a captain ™ in their ranks lol. Noelle, Asta, and Luck should really start a club).

[spicy-clover-database]

[Black Clover Mobile] WEVE GOT EVERY MEMBER OF HOUSE MA’GAL GUYS

In order from left to right, top-bottom: Niamh, Andri, Mareh, Lata

[drmarune]

Are the Faust parents really evil??? As we think???

I just beginning too think about

As we know the Faust parents let’s Morgan and Nacht live as they want they don’t think over Morgan as a suitor for the devil stuff but they never say something bad over him like „you just can donut not like you brother“ or something bad they never say it

And mama Faust showed concern over Morgan as he came in the devil ritual ring not disgust or careless or so she did looks Morgan directly in the face wondering why he is here

Like this you can see even the eyes it’s may be she doesn’t wanted Morgan here for sure but why? Does she thinks Morgan as her child??? In deanger in this moment scared what he will do??? We don’t know

And papa Faust showed emotion like he is unsure and concern as he says Nacht can summon Lucifugus

Here a is a sweat and a nervous smile

But he trusted Nacht in he’s talent as a devil summoner and so he supported Nacht whit the study and he seem take track over Nacht what he did learned he did say he is surprised how fast Nacht learned and sounds he is proud

What is surprising in some panel your can see the eyes of the parents why I say it? Tabata have the style wo fully evil people don’t show there eyes in flashbacks but the Faust parents are ok but one panel

We don’t know much about them but it’s would be interesting what the future Anime tell us……….

But the Family picture shows something interesting the parents smile happy but Nacht he is not but if they where don’t caring they would not smile like Nacht and it’s would be drawn in they seem genuinely happy in it

What are you opines?

[simpingforthisonedeer]

Asta is most likely a virgin-born savior of the world.

I said Richita might’ve had him from asexual reproduction before from all the magic she has absorbed but there’s a more eloquent way to put it😅

[mostly-ghostie]

I’m desperately trying to figure out if Langris and Finral are just *under* a year apart or just *over* a year apart and when exactly Finral’s mother died bc I have a crack theory that Lilianne is such a wretch to Fin bc she was Ledior’s mistress and Langris would have been born a bastard if Fin’s mom didn’t die and Lil didn’t marry Ledior. Also very here for evil stepmother murder/mystery 🤷🏻‍♀️

[thoughtfullyrainynightmare]

On the topic of Vermillion theories, we talked a bit about the Vermillion eye markings with Koneko ( @koneko-pi​) yesterday.

So, we have the Fire Vermillions (with markings) and the Flower Vermillions (no markings). Papa Fire Vermillion and Papa Flower Vermillion were brothers 

Which means that either the markings are not of Vermillion origins since the last name comes from the father’s side in both families, but instead come from Mama Fire Vermillion who married into the family, or... OR then the markings are passed down from the father in some strange manner. I was thinking that it could be an “eldest son” -thing (why? I’m just going to say magic which would be, and I do agree with you on this, in this instance, dumb.) So that said markings are passed on through the paternal lineage from the eldest son onto his children. 

This I got from the idea that the eldest sons of the Vermillion Houses already have their earrings going on for them, so it could symbolize something. And serves a fun headcanon of the markings simply skipping generation in the Flower Vermillion family tree and be inherited by Kirsch’s kids, because genetics are weird. (Is it unlikely for this to be a thing? Yes. Very much so. But is it entertaining? A bit amusing at least.) 

However, long story short: I propose that the eye markings actually come from Mama Fire Vermillion. 

[theautisticfroglord]

ok here's another theory(?)

at some point, rill will almost be defeated (by one of the paladins or some other opponent during this arc), but then he'll see charmy (in her more adult-like(?) form) and then he'll suddenly get a power up

[loosesodamarble]

Quick Question for the Black Clover Fandom

No, you don't get any other options. You pick one or the other.

[the-black-bulls]

Hey! Can I ask why you think Rhya's human host is an Adlai? Thanks!

Hey there! I was hoping for someone to ask me this haha... it took me forever to answer this though, sorry about that.

Before I go any further, trigger warning: mention of suicide.

I'm gonna be honest and say that my reasons behind this theory are mostly personal - I like the elves, Rhya is my favorite out of the main elves, Gauche's elf, Droit, is my favorite out of the side elves... this is their first meeting after the massacre, they high-fived - and I've been fascinated about their friendship ever since, coming up with theories and scenarios to highligh it (yes the bulls aren't the only people I stan; elves are my second beloveds).

Very self-indulgent of me. I know. But aren't we all? People do that shit with their ships, I can do it with friends ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Anyways I didn't truly consider this theory until fast forward later when I came across this interesting piece of info about the human Rhya reincarnated into:

(Tabata's Q&As in Volume 25)

Pretty interesting, right? There's not that many named characters in the manga who are fallen nobles/aristocrats, the Adlai House is the only name whose members were referred as Disgraced.

Here is the thing though, I've seen many people interpreted what I believed the "Fall" of House Adlai as simply a case of Gauche and Marie's parents getting murdered and betrayed by their relatives of the same family and the results only caused harm to their children and that's about it. I don't think it's the case, not with how Damnatio victimized Marie during Asta's trial by exposing her ruined nobility and ties to House Adlai with the implication of it being a sensible excuse to execute her. I'm positive the Adlai House has been pretty much taken down completely by another aristocrat/noble family and the surname became as good as dirt afterwards, which forced all members of the family to be labelled as disgraced and ruined because there is no hope for a house with neither heads nor heirs to keep it kicking in an aristocratic world.

This leads me to my theory - Rhya's human host is an Adlai. I have no reason to think otherwise since Tabata left the specific details of his origins unknown and it's always more interesting and fun to connect characters with similar background and develop canon events that happened in the past. In my theory, Human Rhya is a branch member of the Adlai House and has been surviving for years before the toll of his situation became too much to endure and, as Tabata worded it, he was this close to end it all, and I think this is kind of ironic because Rhya is one of the few characters in the series who showed suicidal thoughts. It also explains why Rhya didn't need a new body to remain in the living world like Vetto and Fana since his human host has no attachment to his own body.

One more point that is likely me reaching, but Rhya's Imitation Magic which is for sure shared with his Human Host, and Gauche's Mirror Magic are the only two magical attributes that have copying abilities, and in this series characters with blood ties tend to share similar if not identical abilities or themes, so who knows ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

My other favorite "they're related" theories are Half Brothers Henry and William, Noelle sharing blood ties to the Seabed/Underwater people from her Father's side of the family, and Half Brother and Sister Luck and...... Sally! I bet you didn't see that one coming 😛

[talpup]

Theory’s & hopes after reading Black Clover chapter 354

Obviously manga spoilers for chapter 354 below the cut:

I have a feeling that Yami will become a paladin.  The story parallels are just to good for me to think that Tabata Sensei, in his love of parallels, won’t do it.

It’ll mirror Yami and efl!Charlotte’s battle if she were to fight paladin!Yami.  I mean, I can just imagine her telling him that he’s never been that weak of a man to hurt his comrades and let someone control him.

Ickika.  After realizing that her big bro didn’t kill their clan but instead took the blame/left to protect her; I can SO see her arriving with Asta and gang, and fighting paladin!Yami to stop him from basically doing what she did back then in killing a lot of people.

The Black Bulls.  And yeah, I think it’ll take Ickika, Charlotte, and all/most of the Bulls to face and not die against a paladin version of Yami.  This one is similar to Ickika’s in that Yami basically saved all the Bulls in giving them a home, and now it’s their turn to save their Captain so he can return home without the regret of what his paladin self did.

This one is more of a hope not a theory.  I hope Yami’s dark/devil heart plays into something, somehow, somewhere.  Sadly, so far, Tabata Sensei has crafted a number of really cool threads like Yami’s dark/devil heart and, so far, has either dropped or seemed to have forgotten about them.

Of course I think Natch will have to face Morgen.  And that Noelle will return with the Bulls from finding Asta, and have to face her mother.  Can we say, Silva sibling pain and bonding time.  And then I think there will also be a really heartfelt and painful battle of Asta and Liebe vs. paladin!Richita, who I think those two will have to face before finally getting to go up against Lucius.

In any case those are my hopes and theory’s after reading chapter 354.  But there was something else I wanted to add.

A friend and I were chatting and they mentioned how, as much as they liked BC, it was hard to have any real invested worry for the characters since no one will die.  And while I do agree in thinking that at least none of the “good guys” will die, I have to say I think it’s because BC (like BNHA) is written for/or to include a younger audience.  I mean there’s JJK, which like BC and BNHA is also published in Weekly Shonen Jump, but is definitely written for a somewhat older audience in that there’s death and horror, and more ‘shades of grey’ when it comes to good vs bad.

So in my mind, not having any of the “good guys” die is somewhat expected for series like BC and BNHA.  But, for me, that doesn’t mean I don’t read without worry for the characters.  There’s Aizawa in BNHA (my poor anime husband needs a break, and no I don’t mean a further breaking of his body and soul Horikoshi Sensei).  Then there’s Fuegoleon in BC.  The man lost an arm!  Sure he can fire magic one if/when he wants, but it’s proof that Tabata Sensei can and has left character’s with life long physical damage/injury; and what’s to say that he won’t do so again?

[marune2]

What if Nacht whas all the time not selfish and so Nacht like what the other tush my therory is this Nacht is in autism spectrum 🤔

!!!autism spectrum are not all the same and is very big as your thing they can be the opposite of what a other autism have Ore you

First of I’m autism and some points looks like what I see and fell and is in my spectrum…

First of he as a child Nacht have a higher intelligence as child if some autism not finding someone were like what they like they do there one stuff

Some autism have not the sympathy like Norm people have not get my wrong autism can and have sympathy but four some it’s can’t not easy to show it it’s probably too some autism too show it like Nacht he love Morgan but can’t show it right

As fare I see don’t like Nacht to get tush what is one part from some autism too plus many autism don’t like many people and gets a autism struggle there Nacht hide from many people and go’s alone in the beginning araund yami whas he’s first friend as fare we know Yami show this what Nacht like and some autism don’t like if something try too hanging araund whit the person they like it’s fell like they will take the person away from them ore the person don’t like them anymore this is why in my eyes why Nacht don’t want what too do whit yami and Morgan there autism’s try too cutting the Emotion from person if they fell like they don’t what them anymore

As fare we see Show Nacht no interest in romance some autism have just no interest In this and show it

And Nacht don’t looks high emotional and have not a big mimic on he’s face what can be a part of autism too in my case your can’t see many of my emotions but I have them in Nacht’s case can it be from trauma of he’s childhood too….

This is just a therory

[whackdreamer]

Black Clover thoughts and ramblings.

The BC devils recieved the 'Elf treatment' too.

Like how the Elves had their magic stolen by royals, in way, way, back from the canon timeline the devils were mistreated or misused by humans. I have no strong arguements to this idea other than saying how this is Tabs using parallels in the story.

I just want to think about the devil binding ritual that the Faust family performs. Perhaps back in time the devils were used for their magic but were eventually forced to become slaves to humans. At first, the humans form contracts with them, while the devil fulfills it fairly. Until one day their contracts were abused and led to the ancient devil war that was shown from the old Heart Queen's memories.

....Yeah, that's pretty much what I had in mind.

[spicy-clover-database]

It's FINALLY done! The Spicy Clover database is finished!! Feel free to give us a visit for the full fanon package, including a name, personality, backstory, and family tree for EVERY background and non-background elf in the show, witch society, devils, etc. And also a healthy amount of insanity.

[megashadowdragon]

this one singular piece of text by Luck, paired up with the fact it has been EXACTLY 3 YEARS is... quite worrying.

The images are pretty self explanatory, but here's the run down Start of series; Luck says "I'd like to fight you in 3 years" *3 years pass* Lucius brings back teammates / dead comrades as enemies, Luck could be one of them (?)

[uozlulu]

Black Clover chapter 354 reaction and spoilers

Looks like we’re on Judgement Day, which makes sense. Can’t wait to see how Asta returns and who all he might bring with him.

After getting some Diamond crumbs in the Spade Arc we are missing Diamond in the depiction of other countries on standby. I’m curious if that means Mars and Fana will appear with Lotus and reinforcements eventually or if Diamond is really going to sit this one out. Hoping for the former since this is the final arc.

Going to be interesting to see what Yami and Charlotte will eventually talk about. Personally I think their tea date meeting thing will happen because I think that we’ll get some kind of happy or happy-ish ending overall from this series. Also it keeps reminding me of Sailor Moon periodically so I expect a lot of pain and then happy ending anyway.

As I was saying just before Morgen shot a light beam through Jack’s innards – a lot of pain /shrieks.

Apparently Nacht’s been absent, maybe he’ll be part of the reason Diamond eventually shows up assuming that’s an eventual plot point.

Morris: Anyone who falls to me is fortunate. Before you're reborn, you'll help to advance the evolution of sorcery studies! Mereoleona: Who cares about the complicated stuff? They [Morris’ multiple limbs] look worth burning!!

Ilu, Mereoleona

Acier is also here. I wonder if Licita will make an appearance or if she won’t since she wasn’t a Magic Knight. Like on one hand, Lucius could use her ability to his advantage, but on the other hand her ability might also affect the Paladins’ mana levels.

[whackdreamer]

Can’t believe I had the chance to see this post after taking a long break from Tumblr. Because I absolutely love how this mentions many BC manga thoughts I have in mind.

The ideas are pretty much what we could make out right now given the current information the story has presented.

First of all, I also push the ideas of the devils Astaroth from Ishtar, and Adrammelech from Andrealphus. Before these identities were written as demons they were originally gods from a different religion. Somehow history has written them to be vastly different from what they were originally worshipped as. From a goddess (Ishtar => Astaroth) /god (Andrealphus => Adrammelech) into devils written in Ars Goetia.

So where this could probably lead to?

Given that we are seeing parallels between the Elf arc and the devils, one thing I have in mind is how the devils find benefit to Lucius’ abilities. One, is how he can eventually make bodies for the devils to host in. And two, for the devils to be purified. (To ironically take back their identity as a sacred figure after being written off as devils) I wonder if Beel’s purified soul is still inside Sister Lily

For so long I keep thinking how Lucius isn’t actually endgame big baddie but is someone who has led Lucius up to this point. If we go by the thought on how the devils were originally gods based on their history this is what I think the devils in BC want to achieve.

Okay, onto the next more Whack thought I have.

Supporting Asta-Jesus and Lucius-antichrist parallels.

The thought of Asta could reflect as Jesus more is by going to no. 5 here. What if Licita had Asta after she absorbed more than enough energy. Which is basically Virgin Mary Licita got preggy thru the holy spirit absorbing and condensing life-mana energy.

It's 2 am, time to unleash Theory Bullshit

Topic of shithousery: Astaroth's Big Dick Energy pulled 1000 IQ ideas out of his ass in true trickster god nature.

Or, how Astaroth is one suicidal bitch, making a whole ass war for the funnies, 1200+ years in the making.

What we DONT talk about is how Astaroth is old as fuck if we go by his roots and how his connection to Christianity (which Lucius is trying to gentrify) are a lot closer getting to home than one thinks.

Now, there's lots of shit concerning Astaroth that is both "lore connections that is TOO damn important to the series to ignore" and "shit that feels like a loose end waiting to be connected to the web". My previous theory here had a few to name but those were mostly "namedrop" connections.

Right off the bat, we gotta talk how Lucius' plan is, technically going smoothly. Except its clearly shown to be going TOO smoothly.

Lucius' plan claims to be based off many futures, but his power is very, VERY limited in terms of being only able to see the futures of those WITH mana and that he can, very likely, only see that which he wants, similar to how Lolopechka can't see specific information of the past until she finds out about it and Ryuuya's clairvoyance is very much ridding him of his mana and giving him a shortterm preparation period.

It's likely Lolopechka's boon was directly given to the first Queen of heart, prior to Qlipoth. Then there was likely a period after the Yami Clan Massacre where Ryuuya found a way to obtain Clairvoyance, likely through an artifact because at that point, Astaroth was already MIA.

We have 3 people in positions of power with 3 coaligning powers connected to Astaroth's own lore equivalent powers of having Knowledge of past, present and future. In addition, ALL OF THESE PEOPLE have SIMILAR NAMES/1ST VOWELS.

LU-cius - future focused, likely stolen, became Ruler by taking/planting an alter in a foreign country.

RU-ya - present focused, likely traded for mana/eye (Basing off the fact that the Japanese language doesn't have a distinction between Ls and Rs and that some cases yu are more similar sounding to just U sounds.), chosen to be a Ruler by The People (assuming he was elected as per Ichika as a source).

LO-lopechka - past focused, likely given as a boon/gift, chosen to be a Ruler by a Spirit.

Considering Asta has one half of the name and NO mana whatsoever, we can assume he'll be necessary in the oncoming Demonic Shoe Drop. The other half of the name, follows the pattern and completes the primary vowels having RO-th, but since its the "first" vowel of the "latter" half, this will likely be used to define ASTAROTH as a whole and the defining feature being "born with", both with time related abilities and status as a Duke of The Underworld.

And we all know Tabata loves his plays on names, with Liebe being named after Licita through her first vowel, and Asta being named after Astaroths first half of the name. So these connections are, in fact VALUABLE.

Ryuuya and Lolopechka both may be involved in the Judgement Day battle, with Lolopechka likely trying to regain her past Knowledge and Ryuuya trying to stop Lucius to protect the Land of the Sun.

Like trying to get back stolen past and the present trying to save the future. Connections are Massive.

But now to the more important part: how the fuck has Lucius, Christian Airfrier 9000, managed to have a massive 20 year apocalypse plan perfectly executed when he clearly was asleep for at LEAST 18 years? How did he even manage to get Astaroths power, considering Astaroth is actually described as VERY STUBBORN, to the point where if you summon him WRONG he won't obey shit?

Adrammelech and Beelzebub.

Adrammelech, in just the Ars Goetia, isn't really found. Rather, the closest equivalent would be Andrealphus.

Andrealphus, menstruation and fertility connections aside, is in the category of Astronomy, which connects to Lucius and Julius having Sun and Star markings, leading to believe that Lucius originally had a contract with Adrammelech.

But Adrammelech has roots in the same pantheon that ASTAROTH originated from: Ancient Semitic Religion and by connection, Babylonian Religion of Mesopotamia.

Astaroth is based off the ancient goddess Ishtar, goddes of Love and War, as well as Fertility and Political Power, and patron diety of Nineveh, which was considered the LARGEST city of its time and the OLDEST in antiquity. Ishtar herself was based off of Inanna and known as "the Queen of Heaven", prominent symbols being an 8 pointed star. (In contrast, Asta's main symbol is a 4 pointed star, which could lead to him only being half of Astaroth). Her Greek equivalent was Aphrodite, Roman being Venus and Canaanite Astarte.

Adrammelech is part of the same religion, but more vaguely. He's briefly described as the god of "duality" or Sepharvaim. The name itself means "Adar is Prince", Adar being derived from Akkadian A-tar: meaning father of decision. Likewise decision, destiny and also having the name of the plague God. Adrammelech is worshipped through child sacrifice. The name could also mean "to carry a king".

Adrammelech is often pair with the god Anammelech, even to the point they both resided over the same twin cities. Twins in Black Clover are usually a death flag, and with child sacrifices involved, much is to be feared.

But Adrammelech himself is rumored (I say rumored because I can't find a lot of credible sources for this) to be the god of the sun, which I think comes from Andrealphus.

This, connected with Beelzebub being a Canaanite and Phillistine god, translating to "Lord of heavenly dwelling", we're getting the impression for the earth, the sky and the sun all being in kahoots.

With Adrammelech having duality connections and Beelzebub having "traitor theory" Zenon as his main contractor, it's not far off to assume that Astaroth's "death" was planned and Adrammelech was the one who organised it. Beelzebub likely agreed to it, so you've got 2 inside men - one is watching to make sure the humans are falling into place, the other is working to make sure the devils are moving appropriately and likely teleporting them into the human realm.

With Astaroth having split his power and likely letting Adrammelech watch over Lucius to make sure he doesn't step out of line, we're given the possible assumption that, if Lucifero was going 1 step ahead with the Qlipoth, Lucius was going 5 steps, Adrammelech was going 7, and Astaroth, who's technically dead, was going 10.

The current arc already parallels a LOT with Elf Reincarnation arc (in a good way), so a demonic plot twist in the end is to be expected, if not feared.

So.

How does Asta tie into this? By being connected to Jesus more than Lucius.

Lucius' godlike powers come as a reference to the gospels of John.

But Asta's mercy, kindness and forgiveness comes from Jesus personally.

Asta himself is actually performing Easter as Jesus.

Easter was originally based off the celebration of Ishtar (note the phonetic likeness). While there is no direct connection, the use of eggs and rabbits as sec and fertility symbols go hand in hand, thus connecting to Astaroth.

Asta, in this sense, is acting out Jesus' rebirth - he is supposedly "trapped" in a cave for 3 days (3 days before judgement day) by authorities who hated him (Lucius lmao) and on the 3rd day when they checked, the body was nowhere to be found (no proof of death). Instead, there are news of Jesus having come back to life (future prediction of Asta returning to Clover.)

In that's sense, if we connect Asta and Astaroth, it begs the question on which one of them will actually be rising from the dead. Likely both, as Asta was only dead symbolically, while Astaroth was death physically.

In a way, it ties to the idea of bringing the hearts of devils into the human realm for "perfect manifestation". If Lucius is defeated or loses control of the hearts, that can be possible or the devils take over the hosts they were put into. Remember, if Lucius can make bodies out of his siblings' magic, this could have been the way to make perfect vessels for them. Also ties into the fact that Demons in the bible aren't manifestations of sin, rather being hated for being traitors. So sudden bout of paladins getting their forms taken over by devils? Very possible.