#bible criticism

[fountainpenchess]

christian bible musings: introduction

so let me start by clarifying that I am an irreligious atheist, and as I am an anarchist (anarcho-communist specifically), I am also anti-clerical. I am doing this Christian Bible reads because I convinced my mom to read "Anarchism and Christianity" by Jacques Ellul. like, we made a deal lol. but also because I am fond of classic books and religious ancient texts count as classics in my opinion.

I have to start with The Book of Proverbs, which is known as the book of wisdom. I have read it before and it's advice is pretty practical and useful, so I don't mind reading it. I will read three different versions of the Bible: the Amplified Bible, the AMPC (Amplified Bible, Classic Edition) and the Message (MSG). Reading different Bible translations is usually done when studying the Bible. It's a way to better grasp the verse meanings. and, for me, it's nice to read different translation of a book to see different ways of convey the meaning of something with different words. like idk I just like it.

anyway, in bible musings I will analyze Bible chapters. just look at the hashtag if you are interested (or mute it lol). the books will be tag as "#the book of

to clarify, I am calling it Christian Bible specifically because there are different types of bibles. which is really interesting btw! I will also make critics, so feel free to block or mute me if that bother you.

[squarecloud73]

*I worship you Tumblr please don’t remove it

Let's take off the jealousy, erase the rotten beneath, so we can polish this story, so pretty and clean.

[katerinaaqu]

People who criticize others for disliking the changes of Greek mythology when gods are twisted to look like some sort or final villain boss fight video game I honestly wanna see how the reactions would be if someone created a biblical musical where the Pharaoh of Egypt takes revenge against God of Israelites for killing the first born of Egypt by smiting him with his own sword or justice and claim he does it for his people while God begs for mercy.

Food for thought

[strawberry-halla]

oh my fucking god somebody please take dragon age away from john epler

[funnyscienceman]

'jayce doesnt kill viktor and the two of them run the commune in peace' happily ever after aus just get me so giggly. i think it would be really funny if the commune actually legitimately wasnt fucked up. like no one lost their free will, no one became a puppet, viktor is acting like his normal self and is also functionally jesus now and he and his lab partner are running actual fucking heaven on earth down in the fissures. like zaun just accepts this as normal i guess. what the hell sure guys

[zundely]

I gotta admit this made me little mad. So yall are aware that explaining the whole methaphisics of your world is a mistake right? Especially when it means "explaining" an entire in game religion in a way that makes it "real" or "fake".

So how is it that when it comes to *check notes* every damn religion except for the christianity expy they did feel a need to explain it and left nothing to the imagination. Why is canonizing the "elven gods were evil colonising slavers" ok but when it's the Girlboss Christian Church it's suddenly off the table to make any definitive statements.

Why can't yall take your own advice sometimes and realise that shutting up can be very valuable part if writing.

[wisdomfish]

"Archeology, textual criticism, linguistic studies, and scientific dating — have proven to be the Bible’s greatest allies, rather than its enemies."

Justin Huffman

[doodler16]

Okay, so, in correlation to the "Cain is the Son of Lucifer thing" is actually a really complex stuff

In John 3:12, the bible says "Don’t behave like Cain, who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did he kill him? He killed him because his own works were evil, but the works of his brother were righteous"

This, however, is mostly metaphorically. What would actually mean is "[And] not be like Cain who [took his nature and got his motivation] from the evil one and slew his brother"

This however gave place to the interpretation that Eve slept with the serpent (the devil) in Eden, and from that union, is born Cain, the son of evil, while Abel is the son of Adam. You can find it in some apocryphal and Jewish religious text as an actual ideology that ended up out somewhat obscure

This theory, however, brings up many problematic interpretations, such as "You're evil because of your ancestry is evil" or "being wicked is in your nature"

Is actually a really, really old theory, dating way back into the year 180 at the earliest debate about it, though recently (200 years) was used by white supremacists saying that they were descendants of Adam and people of color were descendants of Cain...

Also by Mormons but they believe Adam was an alien, so ..

Do whatever you want with this information. Thanks for the Bible lore Anon. “They believe Adam was an alien.” That’s funny, I won’t lie.

[semyazzayee]

Still disappointed that no one commented anything about a toxic yuri thing with Lilith and Eve instead of all the being the same person theory lately talked like these two together having a underlayer sapphic thing going on would be sooooo good.

If they met and were under other circumstances they would definitely have something together regardless of Adam (and Lucifer) but the opportunity of meeting never came and I wished so much that it could...

[This is more something of my own hell idea thing but I still feel like it fits for the rewrites others do to Hazbin. Lilith and her rebellion against the man figure and heaven rules and Eve's obedience to the man being created directly inferior (Rib thing) and other little things do very well to draw parallels and contrasts between their stories when still having similarities.

-Also Lilith SHOULD be called the Representative of heresy in Hazbin. She and Eve both committed it in their canon's and Lilith its said she inspires rebellion with her songs]

[srs If they can put Michael x Lucifer HCs when Miguel doesn't seem to be canon in Hazbin I beg for a bit of Eve x Lilith content I NEED LESBIANISM]

[miraculouslbcnreactions]

“it could mean that they didn't think further than season five and we're about to get a lot of awkward writing.”

Genuinely, I’m pretty sure this exact problem is about to rear it’s ugly head into the plot so hard. Once it becomes obvious enough next season, I think this is about to become the biggest gripe people have with the show.

I don’t subscribe to the “Chloé was rewritten by TA out of spite” theories—however—it is almost **impossible** that season 5 didn’t, at the very least, have the bones of the plot laid out *when it was still intended as the final season,* and then those bones were **heavily** rearranged when contracts were signed for Miraculous Ladybug to continue production beyond that point.

This is quickly having a domino effect on the plot, where storylines are being re-sculpted left and right to somehow tie-up the arc of the previous 5 seasons, whilst still maintaining pre-reveal status quo for the seasons still to come. The most glaring problem with this is, of course, that they had to royally shoot Marinette in the foot to make that work.

I don’t want to put my tin-foil hat on too much, but Adrinette getting together sans reveal is just a symptom of the show continuing past it’s original intended “end of life”. We were likely supposed to get exactly what is holding Adrinette back from being interesting right now—the reveal—in the original midseason finale of season 5 instead of Kwami’s Choice.

What’s an even more cynical thought—if season 5 was the end of the show like intended at one point, there is ZERO chance that Marinette would have even NEEDED to lie to Adrien about his father. *THAT’S* what frustrates me most about the season 5 finale. Not that it’s shocking, not that it subverts expectations, that it’s so glaringly obvious the main character is making a decision simply because the plot for future seasons implodes on itself if she thinks logically for 1.2 seconds. It’s not interesting. It’s only there because they wrote themselves into a corner they never intended to be in 5 years ago.

And as the seasons tick on and on, the cycle is just going to continue to chase itself in circles under the guise of “drama” and “plot”, but in reality the episodic nature of the show means that none of the plot lines will ever conclude in a satisfying way

(Post that inspired this ask)

it is almost **impossible** that season 5 didn’t, at the very least, have the bones of the plot laid out *when it was still intended as the final season,* and then those bones were **heavily** rearranged when contracts were signed for Miraculous Ladybug to continue production beyond that point.

Now that is a theory I can get behind and will even admit to subscribing to. Season five absolutely feels like it was written to be the final season and we know that it was, originally, supposed to be the final season. It's not a conspiracy theory to say, "I think that they may have committed to elements of season five before they got a sixth season and that ended up making season five into a bit of a mess."

I'd be fascinated to know the behind-the-scenes timing of things and what was written before the season-six greenlight and what they were allowed to change after season six became a thing. Things like scripts, lore bibles, and plot lines get signed off on by a lot of people! It's entirely possible that the writers' hands were tied on certain elements of season five. If the leaked, season-five Bible is to be believed, it says that it was signed off by TF1 & Disney and has a date of 1/29/21, about three months before season six was officially announced, implying that major elements of season five may have been set in stone all the way back in early 2021:

[Image description: footer for the leaked Bible reading "Ladybug - Bible FINAL VERSION updated season 5 - approved by TF1 & Disney 1/29/21 - CONFIDENTIAL]

This may mean that the writers literally weren't allowed to make major changes to season five because they'd already gone through the approval process for the overall plot. It's also possible that they could have redone things, they just didn't have time based on production timelines or maybe they did have time and just couldn't think up a new version of season five in the time they had. There's no way to be sure with the limited information we have. Maybe season five is exactly what they wanted it to be!

It's hard to buy that, though, because a lot of the awkward writing makes so much more sense if there was supposed to be an identity reveal at the end of Kwami's Choice. Like why Adrien is worrying about how to tell Marinette that he's leaving, but he never once stops to think about Ladybug. If he knows they're the same person, that's suddenly perfectly understandable.

I also full agree that the lie at the end of season five feels like another stalling tactic and not a piece in a well-crafted narrative. It's really common for the writing to get stilted in TV shows and movie series that get renewed past their expiration dates because no plot can last forever. Even the best writers can't draw a concept out to the end of time and Miraculous doesn't seem have the best writers. Now that they've been greenlit for ten freaking seasons, I think we're in for a wild ride and I don't mean the fun kind. Serious identity shenanigans like the love square are not designed to last for 86+ hours. (The show has 26 20-minute episodes per season, so if you multiply that by 10, you get a little over 86 hours + specials and such.)

I just don't see how they're going to draw out the identity reveal for another five seasons without making the love square a toxic waste dump, but I also don't think that they're ever going to do an identity reveal in the mid game. They're saving that sucker for the end no matter how much it ruins the story. (Watch season six prove me wrong, lol. You never know.)

[hellfiyre]

thinking about how adam was the first human soul in Heaven bc what the fuck happened to Abel. did he go to hell (for some reason?)

like what happened there. he was the first human to ever die so like would the theories saying Eve is the first person to enter hell be therefore incorrect? Because Adam and Eve had another son to replace Abel, Seth. Eve did not die first.

idk i have gripes and confusion about that stuff.

[nando161mando]

[creature-wizard]

Have you heard of the Bible's words count all being multiples of 7? Believers said this is why they think it's divinely inspired.

I'm pretty sure this is bait and you just pulled this out of your own ass because I've never heard of such a thing, and I've heard of some weird shit out there. But I am going to turn it into an object lesson in critical thinking and basic logic.

In failing to specify which believers say this, you have employed weasel words - words that on first glance might seem meaningful, but are actually hollow because they don't point to any meaningful specifics. For all we know, these believers you're talking about don't even exist.

Next, you have failed to specify which translation of the Bible you're even talking about, which version of the text, etc. Even if there was a Bible where the word count in each book and epistle was all multiples of seven, this is unlikely to hold true for each and every translation.

Since the King James Translation is one of the most wanked-over translations, I'm going to assume for the moment that this might be the text in question, and I am going to perform the basic procedure of "testing this claim out for myself."

Let's divide the word count in the Gospel of Mark (14,949) by 7...

Hmm...

What's this?

2135.57142857?

Well, guess we can rule out the KJV as "divinely inspired" by this metric! Lol.

And of course, when I take the requisite step of actually trying to track down any other source of this information (in this case, by using a search engine such as Qwant or DuckDuckGo), I can find absolutely nothing about this, which further convinces me that you pulled this out of your ass.

So what's the lesson here, people?

Beware of strangers using weasel words.

If someone make an easily-tested claim, test it.

Use a search engine like such as Qwant or DuckDuckGo to see if there is any corroborating information, or whether someone's just talking out of their ass.

Also, I daresay that trying to find sacred numerology in the Bible and make a big deal out of it counts as a form of Bibliolatry, so yeah.

Edit: I mixed up the word count with the verse count, but I fixed it. The Gospel of Mark's KJV word count still doesn't divide by seven in any impressive way.

[gingebreadbeetle]

This is just straight up a rant, so to be blunt; I am not a professional artist, I just enjoy drawing and know some of the basics. Also this is all just my opinion, so yeah, rant starts from here.

Viv’s designs of the sins that we’ve seen so far are horrible. They’re overcrowded, the colors are really basic or straining for me and it’s just … bad? It’s just bad, confusing and it feels like she looked up a wiki of (insert demon)’s animal, slapped on a Viv TM personality from the five different persona’s she has and oversaturated colored and called it a day.

Sorry if this is disjointed, I know Viv has talent as a artist and she has artistic merit, but I feel like in recent years her style and characterization has diminished ( compare pilot Adam to the show Adam example, for me the pilots design was much cooler ) and now her furry designs or biblical interpretations are just… bare bones, hollow. Like she’s read a question on a test but hasn’t engaged with it thoroughly and rushed it. C minus, Viv.

[tategaminu]

Watched a leaked Hazbin Hotel scene and a character says the world "dck" four times and "fcking" two times in 13 seconds. How a writer can find this funny goes beyond my comprehension.

[ericksensensen]

I'm honestly confused as to why so many people don't know why Emberlyn ended up going to hell like??

Lust is a sin

"BUT ADAM-" Adam was the first man in earth and heaven he had that privilege to do whatever he wanted, everyone but his girls knew he didn't deserve it but there he is. With humans they probably are given privileges as well because they're already in heaven or are heavenborns (or they simply don't fuck?)

But reading AND (if it wasn't enough) writing pornography about monsters and DEMONS? That's a pass to hell for sure. The mere fact of watching media including monsters and demons is already considered blasphemy, now add porn and it's an even BIGGER blasphemy

And even if all of that isn't enough, wanting to go to hell is ALSO a sin, because you're forsaking God (Or Heaven, we don't know if God exists EXISTS in the hellaverse) and choosing Lucifer instead

Not to count the Harassment "But Blitz was trying to k-" No man she was into that, she wanted him to kill her, she harassed him simply because she's a horny freak

And again, the cum jar is singlehandly a bigger atrocity than Lucifer's rebellion against his own father (in both the hellaverse and actual bible) that cannot be forgiven, not even by the same God that allowed every event that lead to that moment happen /hj