#beetlejuice richard

[mrcjprice193]

the most interesting character (for me) in Beetlejuice Beetlejuice is Richard...

merely on HOW DID HE BAG LYDIA? yeah sure he's into horror movies and big into the environment (I'm not sure if anybody caught that subtle reference to how her love interest in Beetlejuice goes Hawaiian) but that's it? I kinda wanted more about him it feels like a weird subplot that comes and goes...

another thing he kinda of looked too. idk how to say this without sounding mean normal? he's very conventionally attractive. yeah he played a musketeer of course he is but idk. I feel like someone who would've fit the role better is a Benicio del Toro type or maybe the actor himself. he 100% would play the role of a "weirdo" who would obsess over horror movies and dress his kid in morbid halloween costumes. lol

he even looks like Jenna Ortega a bit too. ESPECIALLY when he was younger!

maybe it's just me... lol

[beetle-blogging]

Ok, so we all agree that Betelgeuse and Lydia must have run across each other occasionally during work, right? Not that she could see him, but he almost definitely was responsible for some of those "evil presences" she felt.

Now consider:

Richard said that he was checking in on Astrid and Lydia all the time, even though he knows they can't see him. Betel was very strongly implied to have done the same, and was still stalking them throughout BJBJ.

Richard and Betelgeuse very definitely can see each other.

I'd be very interested to know how those run-ins went. Probably awkward af.

[apara-dise-penguin]

Jenna Ortega & Winona Ryder & Santiago Cabrera as Astrid Deetz, Lydia Deetz & Richard

[siriuslynettey]

You mean to tell me this mf:

Sang the song behind this masterpiece:

[brokehorrorfan]

Beetlejuice Beetlejuice's soundtrack is available on vinyl for $40 via Waxwork Records. Shipping in November, it features music by Danny Elfman, Donna Summer, Bee Gees, Scott Weiland, Sigur Rós, Richard Harris, and more.

The 2xLP album is pressed on "Beetlejuice Splatter" colored vinyl with a sandworm etched D side. It's housed in a gatefold jacket with matte satin coating featuring art by Phantom City Creative and an 11x11 art print insert.

[juicybeetz]

Am I the only one that rolled my eyes and sighed in the theater during the Beetlejuice sequel when Lydia said the thing about the 600-year-old age gap between her and Beetlejuice? There were so many other things she could have brought up, like him being gross, or crazy, or… I dunno, dead? That’s the one she came up with? It felt so unnecessary.

[iz1331]

The "Weird Dream theory" of Beetlejuice Beetlejuice may be plausible based on this name connection.

If you haven't seen the film yet, then go freaking watch it already! It's been out for 3 weeks now. Spoilers below.

Exhibit A

The two songs that Betelgeuse lip-synced sang to Lydia are "Right Here Waiting" and "MacArthur Park".

The former being a timeless love song, and what I think is probably the best song that Betelgeuse could ever choose to convey his everlasting love for Lydia. And the fact that the song got released in 1989? A year after they met? It may does come across as creepy, and kinda scary, than romantic. (I personally thought it was romantic).

The latter being a stroke of genius as a climax musical choice. It definitely has the Beetlejuice touch to it like with the Banana Boat (Day-O) song, where you think it has no business being in the film, and then suddenly you can't imagine the film not having the song in it. The message and story behind "MacArthur Park", while sad when you hear it, is Betelgeuse wacky. The Juice boxes (Beetlejuice fans) have talked about how the song is Betelgeuse knowing that the wedding ain't gonna come to the conclusion he wants it to be, but still brought the song on to drive home his feelings to Lydia, him saying farewell (for now) and telling her she's the only one, ever, for him whether she wants to be or not.

Exhibit B

The names of the singers who sang the songs.

"Right Here Waiting" - Richard Marx

"MacArthur Park" - Richard Harris (and note that in the wedding scene, Betelgeuse used RH's version, not Donna's or any other covers)

Exhibit C

The name of Lydia's former partner who she once loved, the father of her only child.

RICHARD!

In conclusion

It was all a dream that Betelgeuse shared/gave to Lydia. He serenaded her with a RICHARD Marx song, coordinated a musical performance centering on RICHARD Harris' version of MacArthur Park for their wedding, and named the guy she had a kid with (then made him dead) in the dream RICHARD, the same name as the singers.

Call me out if this has been posted or mentioned before in other platforms. I'd like to read the discussions.

Again, this is a theory and must be taken with a grain of salt, it's just fun to connect the dots and give potential fanfiction and headcanon worthy material.

[savoirscare]

everytime Beetlejuice says his own name

[jasondeansgothwife]

most evil thing beetlejuice ever did was make me listen to all of macarthur park (not weird al's version) on my own time just to think about him and lydia

[xxx-theartofsuicide-xxx]

Richard deserves his own post, I think.

They could have dressed him up as anything for this Halloween snapshot but they chose a dead guy with sunken eyes. Betelgeuse could have serenaded Lydia with any of the hundreds of great love ballads yet he chose not just one, but two songs sung by men named Richard.

Richard embodies the characteristics of both of Lydia's absentee parents. His death mirrors Charles' in its humorous and chaotic nature yet isn't framed that way within the plot. Charles' was a complete joke but Richard's is taken very seriously. He could have died any number of ways, but he died a watery aquatic predator death. In a film about death, it's too big of a coincidence.

As well, he was gone from Lydia's life long before he died, much like her mother. That his body was never found also forced us to briefly question whether or not he even was dead, just like we have with Lydia's mom for the past thirty years.

He serves no obvious purpose in the plot but to heal Astrid's trauma, and let's be real. The audience doesn't care about Astrid's trauma. We care about Lydia's. The argument could be made that he exists to mend the rift between Astrid and Lydia, but we don't need him for that. Jeremy accomplishes that all on his own.

Following the dreamverse, if we look at Astrid as a Lydia-proxy and Richard as a creation of Betelgeuse's, a "gift" of sorts, he suddenly makes all the sense in the world. Betelgeuse abandons Lydia in the afterlife (an inexplicably out-of-character choice outside of this context considering his three decades of pining) solely to allow her this healing reconciliation with Richard, the joint personification of her neglectful parents.

Richard saves Lydia because her real father never did.

Her real father sold her to Betelgeuse for a handful of snakes.

[iamnotathornbird]

can we talk about lydia's (ex?) husband/astrid's dad for a moment? spoilers below.

his name was richard, right?

first, let me say that he looked SO familiar and i couldn't place him until i googled and realized that he played captain cristóbal 'cris' rios in star trek: picard.

alright, now that that's out of the way --

remember in the first beetlejuice movie how IIRC otho makes a reference about how people who commit suicide become civil servants in the afterlife?

and then miss argentina says something like, "if i knew then what i know now, i wouldn't have had my little accident," and then shows off her slit wrists.

why was richard working as a civil servant in the passport office? did he kill himself? did lydia suspect that's why she couldn't see him, but she didn't want to tell astrid?

or is it just some big plot hole?

oh, and one more random thought --

didn't love the baby beetlejuice scenes. reminded me too much of dead baby dawn from trainspotting.

[mrcjprice193]

Chapters: 2/? Fandom: Beetlejuice (Movies) Rating: Not Rated Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply Relationships: Lydia Deetz/Richard, Adam Maitland/Barbara Maitland Characters: Lydia Deetz, Richard (Beetlejuice), Beetlejuice (Beetlejuice), Bob (Beetlejuice), Barbara Maitland, Adam Maitland, Delia Deetz, Charles Deetz Additional Tags: Romance, Ghosts, Demons Summary:

Lydia and the love of her life Richard are getting married. Lydia seems to finally be living her life happily. unfortunately, this is soon interrupted by the ghost with the most who's still bitter about the last wedding. wanting Lydia's hand he kidnaps Richard along with her family as a trade. marry him or they stay in the underworld with him. Lydia must reunite and team up with the maitlands to save her husband as well as stop Beetlejuice... not before dealing with the idea that Barbara and Adam might be ready to move on...

[rtfics]

Lydia's "missing" years: Questions.

What happened to Lydia between the end of the first film and the beginning of the second?

At the end of Beetlejuice she's happy with her new Godparents, the Maitlands. Her Dad and Step-Mom are learning how to co-habit with the dead.

What happened after?

I assume Lydia went to high school and college. Which college? What was her Major? What did she want to do for a living?

Did she see ghosts? I think based on what we know from the sequel she's always been able to; she saw the Maitlands right away. So college was probably a trip for her. Seeing dead students in the dorm who committed suicide, died in Frat hazing, died doing dares, or just from sheer stupidity. Imagine sharing a dorm room with a normie girl and the ghost of a girl who croaked from alcohol poisoning during a party and the guys put her in her bed thinking she'd just "sleep it off."

So what was Lydia doing after college? Did she even go to college? Charles and Delia might have funded her to be able to travel, taking photos.

How old was she when she met Richard? Were they together for quite a while before Lydia had Astrid? Why didn't they marry?

If Astrid is 16 and Lydia is 51, then Lydia had her when she was 35. That's really late to become a first-time mother. Most women that age have some difficulty getting pregnant. Was Astrid planned or a happy surprise?

Did she see Beetlejuice, even just glimpses, while she was at college and before she met Richard? Beej says she's been "ignoring" him for 30 years. That indicates she knew he was still around.

Lydia is in New York when she sees him in the Ghost House audience. So distance isn't a problem for him, probably due to their "psychic connection." She may have been able to see him while at college, while abroad, anywhere.

How much does he see? Did he see her dating? Masturbating? Fucking? Giving birth?

If he did, did Lydia know? If she was no longer aware of him, when did that start?

We know Lydia fell apart when Richard died. Why did it hit her so hard? By her own admission she and Richard were out of love long before that. She tells Astrid "I loved your father." But something happened. Just plain old growing apart? Something else?

That's when Rory stepped in, the bastard.

There's a lot of fodder for fanfics.

[apara-dise-penguin]

Jenna Ortega & Winona Ryder & Santiago Cabrera as Astrid Deetz, Lydia Deetz & Richard

[probably2zjeb]

Idc what you're thinking guys, I ship Lydia and Richard now 🫡.

[timetobeaghost]

Since I saw Beetlejuice Beetlejuice I fall asleep with MacArthur's Park in my head and wake up with MacArthur's park in my head and in between I feel a constant yarning to watch the scene. It truly bewitched me.