#any kinda shipping discourse

[leyhunter]

I fought for like 20 years or something close to it fiercely against One Piece and now I am part of the hivemind

[katyobsesses]

Sorry, but saying Tommy is the reason Buddie ain’t together is straight up taking Buck’s agency away from him. HE is the reason they aren’t together. Because Tommy is the one he likes and wanna be with rn

I meant in terms of the story, not in terms of the universe.

Yeah in the universe Buck has chosen Tommy to be with rn, he likes him and wants to be with him and I'm enjoying their dynamic (my problems with Lou's acting and some of his dialogue aside), but i do believe that storytelling wise Tommy is very much a stepping stone to Buddie. He's a midgame relationship for Buck to explore his sexuality, and find peace with that side of himself that he's never thought to explore before. and I like Tommy as that stepping stone, he's an interesting character.

Tommy as a character (not a a person in the 9-1-1 universe) is just there as a barrier and a stepping stone towards Buck's endgame, and that's okay, it's good. The show needs a reason for Buck to not go straight to Eddie after realising his sexuality, and I'm enjoying Tommy as that reason. but his character very much is a plot device.

It would be boring if Buck had just realised he was bi and launched straight into a relationship with Eddie, and that's not even discussing the Eddie side of things. (i.e. his catholic guilt being the reason he isn't going to buck... or even realising/accepting his sexuality)

I watch shows from a very analytical view point, I have a media studies degree and it's hard to switch off and honestly i don't want to. I like how i watch the shows i'm interested in. I like trying to figure out where the puzzle pieces will land, what the show runners are planning and the roles the characters have in the stories and arcs to push them to their conclusion.

Tommy and Buck are fictional characters they're plot devices they aren't real humans. so I can't take their agency away from them when discussing their stories, because they don't have agency, because they are puppets and dolls being played by the showrunners and writers.

[akito-shinonome-daily]

3 and 22

fandom ask game

22.) Give us a headcanon for Akito.

➥ OK, i don’t care that in canon it is his specialty—i refuse to believe that akito can actually beat box. he’s just made it up at some point when somebody asked and word got around to an. why do you think he always dodges when kohane/an asks him too? because after he said he was good at it, he did it in front of toya and even tho toya tried really hard to convince akito it was alright, akito could tell that toya knew it was not good and akito knows he can never do it again. he is hoping that kohane and an will forget.

3.) NoTP?

➥ personally i don’t see toya x either tenma happening romantically (even tho i do like childhood friends to lovers) so i don’t really like seeing that. i don’t consider it taboo, they’re just not ships i’d ever consume content for.

➥ i also don’t really like akito x tsukasa or rui. i do think with the right premise i wouldn’t mind it, but the way they’ve interacted in canon so far doesn’t do it for me. especially since it’s usually written as akito thinking one of them is SUPER HOT and even tho he hates it he still ends up making out with them. maybe it’s just my acespec ass but i just do not see that? like i said, i will read for pretty any ship as long as i feel like there’s a basis for it besides “they’re horny/want to make out.” there’s absolutely nothing wrong with just liking a ship because it’s your two favs or you just find it aesthetically pleasing and you just want them to kiss, that’s just not really how i personally like to approach shipping.

➥ i also don’t love pjsk ships as much if it’s like dating your sibling’s partner/bff? for example, toya x ena. they’re just kinda a weird vibe to me but maybe that’s just because i can’t imagine dating one of my friends’ siblings or one of my brother’s friends. i’m sure it happens irl tho ¯\_(_ _ )_/¯

[kidfur]

ok yea i need to put pro kink back in my pinned.. its a pain i even need to but anti kink people following me is annoying LOL

[beetlerings]

i feel like. if ur gonna make a ship list guide but then exclude ships u don’t approve of it isn’t really a good guide. more just like “list of jrwi ships i personally approve of” like u can not like incest that’s fine but. u didn’t need to make a whole new list that’s just ships ur okay with

Buddy in the nicest way possible, I’m not cherry picking ships I “approve of” , there’s plenty of ships on here I don’t like . I removed One incest ship bc a good amount of people obviously didn’t want to see that . I don’t think it’s that big of a deal that I excluded it, I mostly added “comprehensive” to be silly but I guess I could change it to “incomplete” ? I’m sure there’s tons of niche ships not included so it can’t technically be fully comprehensive, but idk man

[mishtershpock]

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[who-the-fuck-knows-blog]

So glad people are seeing that Izzy is supportive of who Ed wants to be, as proven by his statement to Ed in 2.07 about following what makes him happy, what feels good, and that Izzy’s brushing off Ed’s “feels like a storm’s coming” is because:

1. Izzy is wasted coming to confront Ed, that doesn’t tend to lead people to be super non-abrasive especially if they have previous severe trauma with the other person, caused by the other person. He’s not super receptive to Ed’s advice. Ed rarely listens to his. Do we know if Izzy would have still rejected Ed’s advice about the storm if Ed had provided something other than a feeling? (actually, additionally, 2.06 is about Izzy learning to trust his feelings and that they’d lead him somewhere safe. The last time we see him with Ed the next episode — the next day — is him saying ‘trust your feelings’ as opposed to the beginning of the episode when Izzy —allbeit drunk— was brushing them off.)

2. because his previous job was to provide pushback and alternatives for Edward. sure, he should also believe him (although i’m sure an amount of trust has been broken in that relationship and ed just got out of a time period where his judgement -to Izzy- was severely compromised) but if a first mate believes anything and everything you say without any pushback, you have negative outcomes. Plus, even though Ed was right that things are gonna get fucked up, he was actually moping at that moment. Ed wasn’t giving Izzy any concrete evidence anything was happening, just “feeling” like a storm is coming, unlike the cloud shapes in 1.04, its not based in a reality that Izzy is perceiving. (Also see above in Izzy’s lesson from 2.06 being that sometimes things feel right or wrong and that leads to him being supportive ultimately of whatever Ed chooses for himself.)

it got a little long so more below the cut

Also that Stede doesn’t love Ed for who he is right now, distinct from Izzy who does love Ed for who he is right now. (I’m not sincerely making the argument that Stede doesn’t love Ed for who he is, this is just exactly how Edward feels currently) Izzy still loves Ed so clearly that he’s encouraging Ed to do whatever makes him happy instead of trying to make Ed do something he doesn’t want (piracy) unlike Stede who is telling Ed who he should be, who he is, and that is someone Stede wants to be with. Izzy is also trying to comfort Stede and tells him openly that he thinks Stede and Ed balance eachother out, and all he wants is for Ed to be happy, and he didn’t realize Stede was healthy for Ed before but now he does and he’s supportive. When he knew something or someone was better for Ed, he went out of his way to both keep it safe, and bless the union, even if it didn’t entirely make sense to him, he’s learning things don’t always make sense to everyone and that doesn’t invalidate them.

And Ed is a complicated man (to others) who is simple (to himself). Mostly because he struggles to communicate with the people around him about how he’s feeling and why he’s feeling that way. He’s never told Izzy why he shot him, how is Izzy supposed to know? Ed’s behavior looks contradictory to everyone on the outside and it’s only because we are granted access to Ed’s internal world that we know why he does things. To someone not being told, that would be confusing. (As far as the average viewer goes, people who dig into Ed and his character and study him would likely know his motivations without being so directly told) To us, he’s not complicated because he’s not being contradictory. Also, Izzy has a very small amount of emotional intelligence (he’s working on it), but he is trying to reassure Stede, and what’s better proof that Edward is complicated than his relationship with Izzy?

Currently as it stands, Izzy is the one pushing for Ed to be who he wants to be, whatever that is (—not to separate Ed and Stede, but because he wants what makes Ed feel the best and who Ed feels he should be—) and Stede is the one telling Ed who he is and who he isn’t. (“you’re not a fisherman!”) Because he thinks he knows who Ed is better than Ed does and it’s paralleling Izzy’s statement from 1.10/his general sentiment.

Even if Ed is meant to be a pirate, he has to come to that conclusion on his own away from people telling him who he should be and who he is. In this case. Izzy is providing healthier advice to Ed because he’s not worried about keeping him close the way Stede is.

In conclusion I would like people to not tell me who I should or should not be shipping. If I want to ship edizzy or steddyhands I can. And I wouldn’t even be doing it because it’s not healthy. Edizzy could end up being healthy with the trajectory they’re on— Ed’s taking responsibility, Izzy’s not trying to dictate Ed’s identity— and they do care about eachother. If anything, these past episodes have proven to me that Izzy will love Ed no matter who he decides to be. That’s the vibe I got. I still think Stede cares about Ed and with help from Izzy who went through a similar thing with Ed, he can work on the issues arising. He has to also learn to let something go.

Steddyhands is not at all unrealistic or unhealthy (if we are applying all these lenses to it and obv it would be tumultuous and rocky but I find those relationships more compelling personally) inherently because of Izzy’s presence.

Edizzy is a perfectly acceptable ship whether or nor you prefer them in their toxic marriage or their ex-ex-divorcee status learning who eachother are outside of the narrow scope of piracy and realizing those are still people the other can love. It can be both!

Edizzy was, after all, intended to be read as a form of love story, so it’s not going against the narrative to ship it.

edit: also will add it’s obviously fine to not ship edizzy for any reason at all

dni if you’re here for an argument

[emily-mooon]

Ok so it looks like ship charts have been going around and not too long ago, I made my own cause I noticed the other one didn’t have a lot of the characters and I wanted one that did. I finally finished adding my own lines tonight (I also added Comeau, Jason Kim, Sandra and Monique cause I forgot to add them when I originally made this) so here’s my easy to digest opinions on the different ships!

Don’t feel offended if your OTP isn’t a top pairing for me and it’s in something like ‘it’s ok’. I respect that you like it, its just not my thing. if it’s a ship you hate in one of the top spots, well be respectful please and thank you :]

Also if I forgot a ship, I’m sorry it didn’t cross my head while making this. Just tell me which one and I’ll respond with what line I would have put.

(Blanks and the different layers under the cut cause my god its a mess)

Also bonus logoless version if you want it :D

Ok bye! Have fun making your own with my blanks if you want to, just link to this post or credit me if you do please and thank you ;]

[vampstel]

Hi V! You don’t have to answer this if it makes you uncomfy but could you maybe elaborate on the pr0ship part of your pinned post? /genq /nm I’m just super curious what your stance is on the topic and what you’re uncomfy with :0

Hi anon! This is a perfectly fine question to ask since you’re being reasonable and polite lol. But basically, I’m extremely uncomfortable with lots of problematic media. I can’t stomach most dead dove content and I generally block people over it if it happens to pop up on my timeline.

For example, lots of the “dark romance” books people over on TikTok and Instagram enjoy are things that leave me disgusted and even physically sick. But I won’t exactly voice that disgust in public nor would I like… harass or shame anyone over it unless they were a genuine threat to real people (and even then, I still won’t harass them since that would put me at risk. I’d probably just bring awareness and be like “hey, maybe stay away from this person” and leave it there).

I just like to mind my own business and curate my own experience, you know? Since engaging in shit that makes me sick will only make me feel worse. There are tags and a block button for a reason, use them and make your experience online better! /gen

And this isn’t even taking into consideration that “problematic” as a scale differs from person to person. I can stomach portrayals of dark topics if they’re not romanticized but some may not be the same and that’s fine.

I just added that portion to my pinned to make people aware of my stance. So if you happen to be on any side and you make me uncomfortable, you’ll know the reason why I blocked you. Whenever I block people, there’s no harsh feelings about it (unless, again, you’re actually a shit person). I just block freely to make a safe space for me and yeah :]

This is a very nuanced topic that deserves lots of care and energy. Care that I do have, but energy I don’t have enough of. It’s draining and I honestly have better things to do

[bridgyrose]

🔥

Shipping

I might be kicking a a hornets nest or two...

Shipping is meant to be fun and a lot of people put a lot more merit into shipping than it needs to be.

That said, shipping isnt the be all end all of fandom. If you're only in a fandom because of shipping, you may want to rethink why you enjoy the media.

As well, if your interest in a show drops because a ship you like or want to be canon isnt canon or going the way you want, you may need to re-evaluate why you're watching a show.

Shipping wars are terrible and I really wish people could just enjoy shipping as a fun thing and quit making it a job or some sort of moral failing. Its fine for people to not like the same ship as you, what's not fine is going out of your way to make people miserable because of it.

Proship/anti-ship discourse is fucking insane and has no place within shipping communities despite what everyone thinks.

And finally, if you find yourself looking for shipping discourse to insert yourself into, step away from it and re-evaluate what you're doing. Shipping is supposed to be fun, not stressful or hurtful.

[lord-squiggletits]

It kinda sucks how Optimus Prime is a character who people (in real life) expect to be so Indubitably Good All The Time that they immediately shut down and refuse to acknowledge him whenever he does bad things or fucks up. Like I don't think I've seen any other character in this fandom get the same instantly negative reaction/never talk about him ever treatment that IDW Optimus gets.

Like, it's either him being a cop or the annexation of Earth. But instead of actually engaging with the story and going "so how does being a cop affect the way he treats and is treated by others" or "what led Optimus to annex Earth and how is this a reflection of his ultimately heroic ideal to treat organics as equal to Cybertronians despite the historical racism of his species"

people just instantly shut down and go "oh he's an asshole, he's stupid, he's not my Optimus, he's a bastard, he's edgy" etc etc and refuse to even like fuckin talk about him

It's so incredibly childish lmao especially when the IDW1 continuity in particular is already rife with characters who are also assholes that do stupid/regrettable things but people have no problems talking about/analyzing their stories.

My kingdom for a fandom that's willing to talk about IDW Optimus without immediately shutting down and just going "he's bad he's a bastard he sucks"

[curiouschaosstarlight]

Bounced back and forth, think I'll just make this post-

(Warning: Under the read more, if tumblr keeps the read more intact, is me, an aromantic/aegofictosexual person ramble-ranting about aroaceness in fandom. You're free to scroll past if you wish, or to disagree with me on whatever takes for whatever reason, this is just my one opinion on something I consider to be a big pet peeve of mine.)

(If you read this and go "but I don't do that!", then I trust you, and you're not the kind of person I'm talking about. I'm moreso referring to some things I've personally either witnessed or experienced in previous fandoms, and nobody this applies to will actually see this post unless it, like, gets a bajillion notes...um, hopefully.)

It is so. fricking. frustrating. having my only possible representation in media be like...[that one character] from DR. You know. the otaku or "geek" that's portrayed to be unattractive, "gross", and "weird", and will eventually express sexual attraction to "3D" people, because their attraction to and obsession with 2D was never a sexuality, but intended to be some creepy, incomprehensible thing, and a way to demonstrate their shortcomings and inability to actually court someone.

Characters who actually match my sexuality and experience will never exist unless I make them with my own hands, because both allos and other aces consider me "not ace enough".

This honestly plays a big part in why I'm really touchy about aroace headcanons; because often times they're blatantly used to say people aren't allowed to ship [character a] with [character b] -- and the person making the headcanon is usually 100000% fine with [character a] being put in a gay ship, but will loudly complain if they see them featured in the (usually het, usually canonically teased) first ship. Because it was never about actually writing an aroace character, it was about reframing "ewwww you like THAT ship?? gross uxu what's wrong with you??" into "uhhhmmmm but that character's aroace-coded" "sorry, I can't see them as anything other than aroace" (yeah, I didn't ask? Everyone else gets to talk about THEIR ships with that character and you enthusiastically support them...) And it's like... I feel like these types of headcanons specifically are always presented like, inherently, I'm totally, obviously going to agree with them, and if I don't, then clearly I'm just not aroace. (I wish that was more of a dramatization, but I had someone who I previously told my seuxality to go "oh. well. I'm asexual, so I see this character as aroace-coded, (and I'm right)" <- not outright said but very, very heavily implied, especially because they continuously insisted the character was "canonically aroace-coded", and I just had to sit there like... "...okay, but I'm aroace. (and I think saying that about a clearly het-intended character that's constantly being flirted and canonically shipped in extra side materials with is kinda hurtful)" <- I didn't say that part)

And the fact that no one respects if a character is canonically het or bi kind of plays into why I don't care when a character is canonically gay or ace. If everyone's sexuality is just "gay (MAYBE ace!!!)" or "okay but have you CONSIDERED they might be bi??? (stop putting them in het ships >:((( )" only when it's convenient, then why should I care for my downtime? It doesn't change canon. And I don't feel represented by people's on-the-whim, flimsy-as-fuck headcanons.

But it does still piss me off when people take a reboot or remake or continuation and flagrantly disregard a character's canon sexuality.

And it's upsetting that aroace characters 1. aren't really a thing for the most part, and 2. get written over when they are a thing.

I imagine that when I finally manage to finish one of my stories or games and, y'know, all of my characters are bi/pan/demi because that's what I tend to write...that's probably just gonna get changed to be "whoops everyone's gay lol" by the fandom, and I've already come to terms with that. (Well, by the part of the fandom that isn't populated by "ugh, everything is so WOKE now!" assholes, I'm just gonna pretend they won't even show up because they aren't worth it.) But then, it's also like...if someone officially continued or adapted my properties, and they changed my characters to be all straight or maybe one character gets to be kinda-sorta gay or something, I. I would definitely lose my shit.

-vague gestures-

I don't really know where I'm going with this, I just wanted to say my whole piece without having to worry about being accused of derailing/not listening to a post-

But basically if you're outraged whenever a gay character's sexuality is changed for any reason in any context, I better hear you be that upset about the rest of the possible orientations, and not pulling that shit yourself. I swear to god.

[earmo-imni]

Wtf did I like to get so much davekat on my for you tab…is all this really just from those goofy karkat jr/rose jr shitposts I was looking at the other day???? Or is it just homestuck in general???

[something-about-sunflowers]

God I hate when ‘they’re like siblings’ headcanons get popular. You wanna view them as siblings? Go right ahead. But don’t call people gross for shipping them, not everyone views the dynamic in the same way.

Extra irony being two of them fully making out. ‘Don’t be gross’ I’m not the one who saw these two kiss, on the mouth with tongue, and thought ‘Oh, they’re like brothers! ❤’

[froggyrights]

Are you a multishipper?

Nope, I only really ship dnf 👍

[mintypsii]

WOW the replies of this post are insane are you guys Okay

i can't believe one piece invented gay people