#antis*lki

[sunflowerdigs]

Eric Martin didn't even say anything particularly biased and people are still mad. Loki discovered this deep connection with Sylvie in S1 and it changed him. But his connection with Mobius changed him more and had a bigger effect because they actually got to know each other and became friends, and then came to trust each other because of that. How the turntables - "platonic" is actually a really meaningful word even when talking about romance. Sylvie and Loki never had a friendship, so when the romance crashed and burned, there was nothing to fall back on. Loki discovered in 1x06 that he and Sylvie didn't actually know each other, and that was that. No trust was possible and Sylvie walked away. But Mobius and Loki did the hard work, they built up trust through vulnerability, so they got the reward.

Yes, Loki was initially attracted to Sylvie, and that attraction was good for him because it led him to empathize with her and it improved his self esteem. Sylvie showed him the possibility that Mobius could only talk about, and it was exciting and beautiful. But attraction doesn't last, and Sylvie and Loki's attraction was mostly based on projection and a similar origin point. It's like 500 Days of Summer, except it's 12 Hours of Sylvie because Sylvie had shit to do.

[musclesandhammering]

Idk which is worse, the delusional loki*s stans that are braindead enough to be convinced that the company that butchered the show’s queer rep is actually gonna make their ship canon or the annoying ass s*lkis that think having yet another unnecessary cookie cutter heteronormative romance that takes away from the plot and Loki’s character development is a good and profound thing.

I just wanna talk about the show without seeing 16379490405 posts about how “uwu he loves him/her so much, he/she is his new glorious purpose 🥹”. Like. That is SO NOT the point of the show, guys.

[achingly-shy]

about to start rewatching loki so you might as well block the anti sylki tag if you yk don’t want to hear my complaints 💀

[woulddieforloki]

Are you ready to either delete Twitter/tumblr or block the Loki tag after October 6th?? I know I am!

(Seriously though I don’t wanna deal with all the negative bullshit, I don’t even like Sylki but the haters made me a defender)

being a Loki series fan on lokiblr is so hard like I unfollow people for the pettiest shit if they don't like the Loki series or if they hate any of the characters or ships like haven't I blocked enough tags to be free of the negativity 😭

[musclesandhammering]

The fact that the entire bar scene was sylvie very firmly yet compassionately telling the man that’s been pining over her that she has a life and she’s happy and isn’t interested in him being part of it and just wants to be left alone but still hopes he can find happiness too 🥲 and yet. ��� people are still rooting for her to be brought back to the place that is the source of all her trauma, that she’s made repeatedly clear she doesn’t wanna go back to… all so she can be in a relationship with the man she’s repeatedly tried to distance herself from……… The vibes aren’t vibing with this one 🙂

PLEASE SHES SO HAPPY LEAVING WORK WITH HER LITTLE BURGERS AND SHAKE AND MUSIC AND TRUCK AND RECORDS EVERY NIGHT BY HERSELF PLEASE WHY DO PEOPLE NEED TO SEE HER WITH A MAN AND A LIFE SHE HAS NEVER WANTED ANYTHING TO DO WITH EXCEPT FOR WHEN IT MEANT WORKING TOGETHER TO TAKE DOWN THE TVA TO GET A LIFE OF HER OWN IM SO TIRED AND ITS MARVELS FAULT

[humandisastertonystark]

I'm sorry but what the fuck is wrong with certain s*lki shippers and pro-larry series fans suddenly posting their content in the "anti-s*lki" and "loki series negativity" tags ???

Imagine we would post our criticism in the general tag for the Loki series or under the s*lki tag, y'all would get unhinged in the notes

For the love of the unholy, get out of our space and stay in yours

[janetsnakehole02]

Idk who needs to hear this but as a bi woman I gotta say it’s not biphobic to say that you don’t like Loki and Sylvie as a ship like I would not mind at all if they introduced Amora or Sigyn later in the show and then had Loki romance one of them. Amora would make sense because they had a solid partnership in the comics and Sigyn was literally his wife. But with Sylvie it just doesn’t feel like it should be a romantic relationship and it was so so rushed and forced. When I saw them together first in ep 3 they gave me more best friends/chaotic siblings vibes but Tom and Sophia sorta had a good back and forth that ep so I tried to get on board with it, I really did but that kiss felt so dry and empty. Not to mention the fact that they are different versions of themselves is gonna make it so difficult to be in a romantic relationship I mean we saw how Sylvie’s trust issues made her take advantage of Loki’s feelings by kissing him and besides you can’t tell me being with a version of yourself wouldn’t give you some identity crises

[pinktwingirl]

Yes it’s so sweet how ashamed and defeated Loki looks after Sylvie told him to shut up and made it abundantly clear that she doesn’t give a shit about him or what he thinks. This is so disgusting I’m literally gonna puke

[musclesandhammering]

This is such great meta. I’m a huge series anti (and an even bigger s*lki anti), but this was one of the parts of the show that I actually really loved, because it meshed perfectly with my long-held interpretations of his motives. So, of course I’m gonna ramble about it.

I’ve always thought that Loki kept seeking a throne for several reasons:

What he really wanted was love and respect and acceptance, and- given the culture he grew up in- he associated all of that with kingship. Especially considering how he struggled with those things as an individual, he probably thought being king was the only way to achieve them.

His “birthright” has always been an anchor for him. He always felt like such an outcast, but the one thing that helped balance the scales for him (socially speaking) was the fact that he was in the line of succession. That’s like the one thing he had going for him, so it’s what he’d always cling to. So ofc when his life started falling apart, he clung to it even harder.

He always wanted to be Thor’s equal so badly, and sometime in the first movie he realised that, no matter what he did, he’d never stand next to Thor as an equal hero. So he decided that he would be Thor’s opposition- the villain, the competition- and maybe then they could be equal and opposite.

He feels so low on the food chain, so to speak, that he’s scrambling for some sort of leverage. Especially after everything that happened (having everyone against him in T1, the Thanos stuff, being an outlaw in T3, etc) he’s posturing to make himself seem more intimidating and in control than he really is, because internally he feels powerless.

So basically it’s: I don’t want to be king, but that’s the only way I’ll ever be respected, and it’s the only way I’ll ever be Thor’s equal, and it’s all I have, and it’s a defence mechanism.

I completely agree with you, though. He never wanted to be a king- he felt like he needed to- but in the show he’s realising that being a king was never going to help him anyway.

All of this also gives a nice meaning to Coulson’s line “You lack conviction.” All the fellow stans interpret that as “Loki was forced to invade New York and was trying to sabotage it!!” (which I strongly disagree with), but this meta pushes the real reasoning more into the territory of “Loki was doing what he thought he needed to, but deep down he was apathetic about the whole thing.”

👑

[ifyoucantstandloki-kneel]

Them: "oMg SyLki iS sO BeAuTiFuL!"

Me: "Umm... Actually, no, it's quite the opposite. Sylvie is written horribly. She is a toxic, abusive, humiliating Mary Sue, she's selfish, careless, reckless, driven by hatred, she's insulting, and ultimately she's using and betraying Loki. She's exactly what Loki doesn't need in a partner. Additionally, she's a Laufeydottir and he's a Laufeyson. She is a daughter of Laufey, he is a son of Laufey.

Them: "OMG YOU ARE SO MISOGYNISTIC!"

Me:

[musclesandhammering]

If you’re anti s*lvie/s*lki and anti l*kius but still enjoy the show (or at least parts of it), please follow me. It’s a very small bunch.

[musclesandhammering]

*I’m about to add some anti stuff, so if you don’t want me hijacking your post, you can lmk and I’ll def remove this. No disrespect intended!

This came out after this post was made, but the writers have said that Sylvie is cis. And that doesn’t invalidate them not necessarily being a m/f pairing, but given that they also screwed up the genderfluid rep with the other loki variants too…. Yeah, just worth noting.

I think the gripe a lot of irl queer people (including myself) have with this is that, in real life, if there’s a bisexual guy you’ve only ever seen dating women, that’s 1000% valid. It’s doesn’t make any difference, it doesn’t make them any less bi whatsoever. But in works of fiction, the rule is always “Show, don’t tell.” It’s not like Loki just so happened to randomly fall in love with a woman, the writers consciously made that decision.

And they consciously made the decision to have him fall in love with the only female-presenting variant of himself, they consciously decided to have him flirt with the flight attendant in episode 1 (also a woman), and they consciously decided to confirm that he and Sif had a fling (another woman), and they consciously decided to never show even a slight inkling of him ever being or having been interested in a man in any capacity at all.

S*lki in isolation doesn’t invalidate Loki’s bisexuality, but the writers consciously making the decision to show multiple instances of Loki being interested in women and deliberately never show any hint of him being interested in a man, all while hyping up his queerness and getting Progress Points for having the first openly bi mcu character, despite that bi-ness being just one throwaway sentence that can be easily overlooked or edited out to continue pandering to their homophobic viewers……. You have to admit it’s at least sus.

The bottom line is, when it comes to film/tv, if you want brownie points for queer representation, you should have to actually have queer content in your movie/show. And pairing Loki with Sylvie was these writers’ clever way of getting out of that.

Look, there are tons of valid reasons for disliking Loki/Sylvie in a romantic setting.

“they made him bi and then put him with a woman” is not one of them.

[marzipanandminutiae]

I’m always baffled by the take “Crimson Peak would be good if not for the inc*st”

simply because it always seems to come from someone’s disgust with the concept. which

listen, while I’m loath to paint the movie as a morality tale, the inc*stuous romance isn’t exactly presented as Healthy and Good and Defensible. so this becomes a complaint that the movie is bad for...having negative elements that drive plot conflict? including a transgressive relationship in a genre where such things are extremely common?

it would be one thing to say “I would have liked this better if it didn’t feature inc*st,” but the idea that the movie is somehow made objectively Worse for it confuses me

(to say nothing of “they made poor Hiddles do inc*st!!!!” yes, a then-33-year-old multimillionaire actor certainly never read the script before accepting the role, and was forced at gunpoint to sign on for the project. sounds reasonable)

[ravennazane]

This is why I would’ve rather had no romance in Loki at all 

[socially-anxious-wizard]

The pure dishonesty of most Sylki shippers is actually funny at times. One of the more popular arguments is calling those who don’t enjoy the ship biphobic. 

This is mostly used in the context of Mobius and Loki shippers because Sylki fans think we don’t like the ship because it’s a “straight” Ship that gets in the way of the hot new Mlm Loki ship. 

But here’s the thing, Loki and Mobius isn’t exclusively a Mlm ship. Loki is genderfluid, The ship can be Mlm, Wlm, Nblm Etc. 

So one of their Arguments is almost immediately defanged by Canon. 

So yeah, Fans of both ships have been erasing parts of Loki's identity or just outright lying to make their arguments sound better.

[janetsnakehole02]

Adding onto that Amora has this ability to enslave a man for a period of time if she kisses him and since comic!Sylvie modeled herself after Amora…what if she….ya know….👀

I can't stop thinking about the theory that Sylvie might end up betraying Loki. The fact that the enchantress is known to enchant men to fall in love with her and how she tried to enchant him in the first episode?? What if it actually worked?? But he didn't notice because he's not supposed to?? It would explain why the whole romance thing feels quite one sided sometimes. They got along so well so quickly and now I can't stop thinking about how Sylvie might've planned all of it? Idk, this whole theory is so cool and I'd love to see Sylvie as the main villain ngl. Also the fact she never mentioned Thor is very suspicious.