#anti-steve rogers

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[kyliafanfiction]

Like, I know Cap lives rent-free in my head, but like... Cap 2 and Cap 3 are such fatally flawed movies.

Not because the concepts are bad - the idea of Hydra infiltrating SHIELD like that and trying to take over is a compelling story. The idea of a fight between superheroes over the question of oversight, regulation, etc - that’s a good one too.

Of course, Cap 3 was also fatally mixed with the Bucky/Winter Soldier stuff which... really should have been it’s own movie?

But the whole Shield/Hydra thing? The Civil War? Those were great concepts for MCU movies.

But they shouldn’t have been Captain America movies, in the sense that they were headlined with him as the main/title hero. Captain America, the man with the subtly of a stinger missile, in a movie about spies and spy agencies and secret terrorist plots? That should have been a Black Widow Movie. A Hawkeye Movie. A Nick Fury movie. Anything but a Cap Movie.

Anything but the guy whose whole strategy is ‘hit it with my shield until it stops being a problem’

And the whole premise of the Civil War in the comics is that both sides had a point, and that Red Skull was deliberately making things worse at various points. So it shouldn’t have been a Captain America movie, because then the title character has to be the guy in the right, the hero, whatever.

Like, I just...

You put the wrong guy in the wrong movie?! 

Who authorized the Schedule? And genuinely, I ask, what the fuck were the Russo Brothers Smoking?

[thecoldsoldiers]

🗣 Steve

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Ugh. Okay.

Look I think that he had a potential to be better, but I don’t like him. Steve always had to have things done his way, any variation from that meant he would resist and I get that he was meant to be a leader but he wasn’t very good at it. I could pick apart all his flaws in civil war & endgame but you (hiding behind anon) have heard this all before.

He abandoned his entire team. He left Tony in the bunker, he left Bucky and Sam. I’m sure he was meant to be portrayed better but I really can’t stand him.

To be clear, this is the mun’s opinion. Bucky still adore Steve.

[spidersinsalem]

Team Iron man fans saying that Steve was wrong for not telling Tony that Bucky killed his parents but honestly, seeing how Tony handled finding out about it, I wouldn't have told him either. Tony was already willing to throw bucky into prison or an institution IMAGINE what he would've done if he found out bucky killed his parents while they still had him in custody. Steve was doing what he always has done, protect Bucky.

People openly supporting the revenge killing of a man who had NO control over his life for the past 70 years and wasn't even conscious for the majority of it because of something he did WHILE BRAINWASHED is insane to me.

(also please don't attack me I'm just stating my opinion TwT)

[levelofyoureye]

lmao so i was just going through my camera roll and clearing some photos out, when i stumbled across this screenshot i took in january of 2020 and…

i’m in shock. i literally don’t know how i forgot this happened, like i was actually astounded when i found this. NEVER forget when steve rogers’ ending was so horrifically out-of character that SEBASTIAN STAN HIMSELF posted a screenshot to instagram of a tweet dogging on his ending. it’s been years and i still haven’t forgiven marvel. i don’t think i ever will.

[eunuchorn]

The difference between Steve and Tony in CA:CW will always boil down to this:

Tony stands up to authority because he was born into immense wealth and privilege and has never had to answer to anyone. He defies authority because he knows he'll never have to face actual consequences for doing so.

Steve stands up to authority because he was born into poverty and grew up a poor, disabled Irish-American during the Great Depression. He defies authority because he knows what it's like to be dismissed, undervalued, and disenfranchised and never wants anyone to face that.

Tony pushed for the accords because he knew he could just break them and nothing would happen to him (which is exactly how it went down).

Steve refused to sign the accords because he would never sign away his human rights and the rights of other people to an authority he knew would abuse them (which, again, is exactly what happened).

So in a way, they were both right about the accords. Tony was just also infinitely more wrong.

[mentalmeles]

"Let's go show em what a couple of kids from Brooklyn can do!"

I am very excited to finally have a teamup for Steve and Bucky, if you can't already tell. And it's called Stars Aligned?? They truly are star crossed lovers, fr fr

[morgangalaxy43]

I feel like the main 6 Avengers actually had really bad character development in Avengers Endgame because Clint didn’t really do anything, Bruce’s arc was skipped over, Natasha was killed off, Tony died even though it wasn’t necessary, Thor’s struggles where made into a joke and Steve left Bucky and all of his teammates to be with Peggy in past

A lot things that happened in Avengers Endgame felt more like character regressions instead of going forward

[legalandnotease]

It is wild, as they say, that after 9 years, holding that Tony was morally wrong to try to murder Bucky in Civil War is still a controversial position.

Are Tony fans really such a morality void that they have to condone murder and revenge-killing.

[vee-nyx]

to celebrate 8 years since civil war release, let’s review all the ways tony stark was an absolute loser and actually the reason thanos won in infinity war:

created an omnicidal A.I. that the rest of the team warned him against creating

decided that the entire team needed to become government puppets because he felt guilty for creating said A.I. that, once again, NO ONE SUPPORTED HIM IN MAKING

(also the reason bucky was forced back into the fight bc tony caused sokovia and thus caused zemo’s need for revenge but i digress on that pt)

when members of the team who can’t disconnect from their abilities raised concerns about how the accords dehumanized them, he had them arrested or locked them in his tower

bribed (yes, bribed) a child into fighting on his side because he knew he was outmatched

instructed vision to shoot sam out of the sky and then shot sam point-blank when he avoided the blast that would’ve left him severely injured AND LANDED TO HELP THE PERSON IT HIT

wanda on the raft. this is its own point. he let her be restrained and collared like a fucking DOG as if he hadn’t already done enough damage in her life (killing her parents & brother)

proceeded to break the accords THAT HE HELPED WRITE to chase cap across the globe because he felt left out of the action

blamed a brainwashed pow for BEING FORCED to kill the starks AGAINST HIS WILL and proceeded to BLOW HIS ARM OFF and ATTEMPT TO KILL HIM DESPITE KNOWING THAT NONE OF IT WAS HIS CHOICE

mocked natasha’s trauma because she dared to disagree with his methods (he is, in fact, incapable of letting go of his ego for one goddamn second)

even after receiving an apology, refused to contact cap for three years despite KNOWING about the threat of thanos

in conclusion,

[kyliafanfiction]

I’ve said it once, I’ve said it twice, I’ll say it a thousand times:

Captain America is the smiling face of American Imperialism. Put a Union Jack on his shield, give him a British Accent and call him Captain Britannia, and nearly every one of the people screeching to his defense would see it.

[ivysos2001]

Anyone who knows anything about Steve Rogers knows he’s the most stubborn person in the world (especially when it comes to people he cares about) so tbh I really can’t see a reality where he gets to vormir to return the soul stone and calmly accepts that his partner and closest friend of the last eleven years is dead and gone and moves on rather than getting there and doing something reckless and insane to try to get her back

[spidersinsalem]

I'm tired of people saying Steve should've chosen Tony over Bucky or people try and say that Tony and Steve's relationship was better than Steve and Bucky's.

Bucky and Steve had each other since they were kids. They've always had each other's backs. They defended each other, lived together, and fought together. They were everything to each other. Bucky always helped Steve.

Tony and Steve's relationship reminds me of coworkers who don't really like each other. Because that's what they are. Coworkers, friends at best. Tony would actively go out of his way to make fun of Steve in some cases. They were genuinely annoyed with each other's existence from what I've seen.

Tony would never have the relationship with Steve that Steve had with Bucky. Tony, or anybody in general (minus Sam) could ever understand the relationship those two had.

So of course Steve would choose the man who was with him through everything. In his own words, "Even when I had nothing I had Bucky." It was Steve's turn to help bucky. And he was going to help bucky no matter what.

[countessravengrey]

Shout out to ships whose canon relationships were sacrificed in order to give the hero a woman as a prize.

[lavenderpanic]

There is no universe in which Steve went back in time and, instead of freeing Bucky or Isaiah or exposing HYDRA, he chose to marry Peggy and live a quiet life and ignore everything he found out about in the 21st century

[eunuchorn]

People who think that Steve's motivation in Captain America: Civil War was about Bucky so fundamentally misunderstand Steve Rogers as a character that I have to wonder if we actually watched the same movie.

Steve's opposition to the Accords had nothing to do with Bucky. Full stop. Even if Bucky didn't exist, CA:CW would still have played out the exact same way (except the fight with Tony at the end, obviously). Sooner or later, Steve would have run into a situation where he felt compelled to act, but doing so would go against the Accords. In CA:CW, that situation happened to be the kill order on Bucky, but it could have been a totally different situation and the result would still have been the same. Steve would have chosen to act, knowing it went against the Accords, and he would have found himself on the opposite side of the law. Even the ones who actually signed the Accords, i.e team Iron Man, found themselves in that situation eventually:

Natasha chose to go against orders and let Steve and Bucky get away after the airport fight so they could stop the other winter soldiers.

Tony chose to go against Ross's direct orders and went to help Steve in Siberia.

Vision went on the run with Wanda and helped her avoid arrest.

Rhodey went against Ross's direct orders and chose to help Cap and the rest in Infinity War instead of arresting them.

All of them found themselves in situations where they chose to act in violation of the Accords, because to not do so would be morally wrong. Which was Steve's entire point. Legality isn't the same as morality and putting their powers in the hands of political agendas would inevitably cause the Avengers to either have to fight someone who didn't deserve to be fought, or to be kept from fighting someone who should have been stopped. As shown in the examples above.

So Bucky was totally irrelevant to Steve's decision regarding the Accords. Bucky or no Bucky, Steve would have refused to sign, found himself in a situation where he felt morally compelled to act, and ended up with an arrest warrant on his ass. Which, presumably, Tony would have tried to carry out. And boom, the general plot of the movie happens anyway. That's what the civil war was about, not Steve's relationship with Bucky. The fact that it was Bucky's situation that was the catalyst, instead of some other thing, was coincidental (or, rather, it was because it's a Cap movie and personal stakes as a secondary/parallel plot is more narratively compelling).