#anti-peggy carter

[sapphirerogers]

found a st*ggy stan who used "seventy years of sleep" (which if you didn't know, is a stucky poem by cardiamachina) for a st*ggy gifset. Deciding that the original work and its details needed to be known, but also wanting to be nice about it, I reblogged the post mentioning that it was in fact inspired by Stucky, with a Wikipedia screenshot.

Bitch comes into replies saying "yes, I know honey, that's the half of the point, bothering your kind" and this is where I blocked them.

I'm sorry you're free to ship whoever you want in fiction but if your motivation is simply to annoy people who don't agree with you (especially when your ship is a cheap copy of our ship that can't even have a non-toxic, original and convincing storyline, and does grave disservice to all three people across both ships) then all I can say is...I can see why you're a P*ggy stan. Stay mad.

Anyways just in case this post blows up (cause a recent one unexpectedly did),

Here's a petition link with a self explanatory title for Stucky shippers out there. Here is the original post I made about this.

[gay-jewish-bucky]

seb cancelling everything including a convention appearance and flying cross country to film a tiny cameo in ghosted with chris confirms what i've always suspected: marvel saying they gave his part in aou to peggy because seb was "busy" so couldn't film a short scene was bullshit

[hail-americas-ass]

💄Anti-Peggy Carter Meta

PEGGY CARTER: A CHARACTER OF ELITISM, PRIVILEGE, AND WHITE FEMINISM

How to (Not) Handle Rejection with a Few Bullets or Less: a Comprehensive Guide By Peggy Carter ft @kestrafagnor

 Peggy Carter: A Mosaic Made from Other Characters ft @amarriageoftrueminds

Peggy Carter: A Patron and Paragon of White Feminism​

More to be added

HYDRA SLEEPER AGENT PEGGY CARTER, AND WHY IT FITS

Peggy Carter and the ‘Noble Nazi Collaborator’ archetype

Cynthia Glass and Peggy Carter: Two Sides of the Same Coin

Peggy Carter shouldering her way into Bucky’s character like a badly fitting jacket

Why did Peggy live peacefully into her 90′s if she was a major threat to Hydra? check out the metas here by @kestrafagnor​

Peggy Carter could’ve been an astonishing villain, perhaps even the best​ ft @lordzannis 

More to be added

[hail-americas-ass]

I wholeheartedly believe that this is the pinpoint moment where Bucky realises that Steve had chosen Peggy over him.

Most people interpret this scene as Bucky feeling rejection from Peggy, but can we step away from the heteronormative perspective?

Clearly that isn’t it. Bucky knows Steve likes her, he saw their reunion when they returned from Azzano, he saw how Steve lit up in a way Bucky wished was projected at him. He knows, perhaps knew ever since that reunion that Steve would choose Peggy, he knew all through the trip back to London, he knew when he was walking with Steve to the pub, but it probably never hit him until this point.

Bucky keeps his head high, keeps a pleasant smile on his face even when he looks at the floor with what I’m assuming is sadness, because Steve is his best friend and his North, and Peggy is Steve’s North. So Bucky will let Steve be happy even if it isn’t with him. He knows Steve isn’t his, but Bucky lets him go because he wants Steve to be loved even if it isn’t with him.

This sharply contrasts with how Peggy reacts when presented a situation where Steve is kissing another woman. What does she do? Shoots him without knowing if the shield actually works or not. She literally shoots someone who she has no claim over because she’s jealous, and fuck everyone and everything if Steve isn’t hers.

Clearly, Bucky is a better option for Steve because he a) isn’t a prick who thinks he’s entitled to Steve’s affection and love b) isn’t willing to possibly hurt Steve for liking someone else and c) isn’t Peggy Carter.

@kestrafagnor thoughts?

[heavycorpse]

“I hate Peggy Carter”.

attention: I don't want to conflict with any of you and aggravate your attitude towards Peggy Carter and I don't want you to hate me for the rest of your days. please, let's be respectful towards each other.

I'm tired of this dull shit directed at peggy.

I really don't understand why you all  okay, not all of you 100% hate Peggy so actively. Not being interested in the character, just not loving her is something else entirely compared to the outright, non-stop hatred that pours in her direction, infecting more and more people in the process.

You say that Peggy Carter is "toxic" because of a one-off episode in Steve and Peggy's relationship in which she shot Steve's shield (although they still continued to respect and support each other), while Tony Stark repeatedly showed self-centeredness, arrogance and selfishness at the very beginning of our acquaintance with him. 

isn't that toxic?  

but what do we have in the end? both of them are heroes in their time periods, in their universes. Peggy Carter was a brave, determined woman capable of fighting back against any enemy.

and Tony Stark was able to reconsider his actions, change himself, his life for the better, he is ALSO a real hero who sacrificed his happy, carefree family life for the sake of saving the whole universe. 

note: we're talking about movies, TV series about them, not comic books that had these characters in. not all people have to kill their time to read absolutely all Marvel comics to know everything and be entitled to voice and reasoning. 

you say that Peggy Carter is still a "bitch" who represents only white women and accordingly she is a true example of white feminism, having a basis for this in the style of: “iN hEr sErIes, PeGgY wOrKs iN a FiEld wHerE theRe aRe oNly wHitE mEn aNd WoMen."

I adore Peggy and always set her as a role model (although I don't think all of her actions are right), but I admit that there really is some problem with her image.

but you have to understand that, in any case, Peggy fought for women's rights the way she could fight. her show was canceled after the end of ONLY 2 seasons, not allowing her to open up properly. and not only her, but also other, no less interesting characters.

also, to reinforce this words, it is worth saying that neither Marvel nor Hayley Atwell support any particular kind of feminism, instead struggling with shitty attitudes toward women in general. think ab it.

you say that Peggy Carter is to blame for preventing the long-awaited reunion of Steven Rogers and Bucky Barnes I just noticed that you also hate Marvel, just because they didn't make Steven and Bucky a canonical couple, although the problem is that Marvel cannot make these characters homosexual.

Marvel focuses on its viewers, on its audience, but in some countries or regions where Marvel everyone adores and loves homosexual relationships are not accepted by society or even are a crime.

also, you should understand that these characters "come from" long-ago comics that have survived to our times and come to life on the big screens. hence the conclusion that Marvel cannot make Captain America and Bucky Barnes a canonical couple, as this is a significant change in their images and it may become something unacceptable to some fans.

but if they do, I'll be glad. I'm not really interested in this two, but I know a lot of very nice people who would be more than happy if they became a couple. BUT IN THIS CASE, I ALSO WANT PEGGY TO HAVE A GIRLFRIEND/BOYFRIEND, OKAY??

if you need proof of these words, just google it. you will find a sufficient number of examples when the creators made too strong changes in the images of all our favorite characters, which ultimately ruined them.

but still, Marvel is not homophobic. in it's cinematic universe there are homosexual characters (love them all!), but this is not their main character trait that should be inserted into every scene, comic book with this character. and that's enough loyalty to people who want to see homosexual characters and to the characters.

I'm very frustrated by these hashtags, in which 60% of audience just wants to cancel Peggy Carter.

Peggy is Captain America's love, and my fav. I really adore this character. you know, at some point in time, I stumbled upon it completely by accident and, to be honest, at first I didn't like Peggy Carter.

in fact, I was very skeptical of her character because “she's so toxic, so cocky, so unpleasant, so ambiguous”.

and those weren't my own thoughts.

these were the thoughts of other people I witnessed. but once in a tiktok I saw a scene of her kissing some blonde (oh my god, Dottie Underwood 🙂🙂) and I suddenly wondered where it was coming from. who it is, and why is it happening. sorry, but it was a shock to me. 

......a pleasant shock.

at first I did not like the series, it seemed boring to me. but then I started noticing situations in Peggy's life when I thought: god, so relatable. then I began to like her clever, sarcastic comments, with which she easily repelled any attacks in her direction. I liked her humor, her resilience, her dedication.

and her quote:

"I know my value. Anyone else's opinion doesn't really matter." became to some extent my anthem.

also, there are a couple of other quotes of her:

"Compromise where you can. And where you can't, don't. Even if everyone is telling you that something wrong is something right. Even if the whole world is telling you to move, it is your duty to plant yourself like a tree, look them in the eye, and say, 'No, you move'."

"To you, I’m a stray kitten left on your doorstep to be protected. The secretary turned damsel in distress. The girl on the pedestal, transformed into some daft whore."

why am I writing this.

I'm writing this because I would like you to try to learn more about her and... be more adequate. because hate isn't cool. I understand that people won't stop hating her from this post, I can't change someone else's opinion at the click of my fingers. and nothing can. and yet... I'm here.

it all also becomes unbearable when you admire this character and surely some person will tell you that you are an idiot who admires this character. it's not normal to insult people online (and in life) just.. because?

there will be people who will say that if I am so sensitive, then I should throw away my computer and never show up here again. but what about you? the fact that someone likes something you don't like hurts you so much that you are ready to wish other people death, tell the most offensive words and turn their life into a living hell. 

I hope that at least someone has read this post to the end and thought about my words. I guess I'm writing this post not so much for haters, but for myself and those who also love Peggy Carter and set her as an example for themselves. a simple reminder to myself and a handful of like-minded people that we are still alive and that we are firmly on our feet and still believe in Peggy.

well. I've finished writing this. I hope i don't suddenly die tomorrow. and if no one reads this masterpiece, then fine. It's okay. Anyway, I said what I wanted to say.

[countessravengrey]

Shout out to ships whose canon relationships were sacrificed in order to give the hero a woman as a prize.

[luna-rainbow]

I know a lot of fans are upset about What If and its continual attempts at making Steggy a thing.

But I don't see it as Disney has won? I came into this fandom in 2021, long after Endgame stopped any chance of further canon Steve and Bucky interactions, and I know of fans who came into the fandom long after that.

Because the magic is still there. Because CATWS was a genuinely well-written story and a well-presented movie. The plot, the themes, the characters, the action, the music -- all of it culminating in a climax where the main character reverses 70 years of manipulation and torture with a simple phrase, and in doing so, saves both him and the person he says it to.

Whether you choose to see them as romantic or platonic or anything else, that unbreakable bond is there.

What If and Rogers Musical are cheap knockoffs trying to capitalise on the same magic without understanding what created the magic in the first place. It's the sacrifice and the loyalty, the shared loss and shared experience, the same wanderlust and same homesickness. It is the thematic relevance and the narrative significance. It is the fact that Bucky was tied to Steve's identity as much as Steve is tied to Bucky's, that every key beat in Steve's journey to becoming Captain America and upholding his values involved Bucky.

The real tragedy about the Steve-Peggy story - as a Peggy fan had pointed out actually - is that even in What If, her story remains subservient to Steve. Not What If Steve, but canon Steve. Unlike other stories in What If, where a simple change leads to a butterly effect of an unrecognisable future, the direct effect of copying Steve-Bucky's interactions beat for beat is that "Peggy" becomes the least consequential factor in the story. "She is just as good as Steve", the writers want to say, "she brought forward feminism by 2 decades". But the reality is…she continues to be a non-character and a non-factor, because even in a timeline as significant as a woman becoming the first super soldier, the universe barely changes. It simply fills in the holes with other characters and continue on the same inevitable path.

Bad stories are forgettable, good stories last forever. Remember when we had that hilarious poll against OFMD and a bunch of people came out of the woodworks to vote for Stucky even though they had long left the fandom? Because a good story has magic, and it's left an indelible print on many people's lives.

Disney had already lost the day Steve uttered, "I'm with you to the end of the line, pal." The characters belong to us now.

[lavenderpanic]

Steve "I won't stop until all of HYDRA is dead or captured" Rogers skipping off into the sunset to marry the woman who knowingly held open the door for Nazis to infiltrate SHIELD is like. Possibly one of the worst decisions ever made ever.

[gay-jewish-bucky]

Words alone cannot express the hatred I feel for the idiots in the Marvel fandom who dare to antagonize you for their own immoral failings as members of the community. I had no idea that Peggy Carter was based on a Nazi. I thought only Nazis were men? Is that historically inaccurate?

it's honestly just so bonkers to me when steve rogers was literally created to fight this very complacency! (which is actually almost word-for-word what i said in the tweet that got this specific person so obsessed with me)

Post about how Peggy Carter is based off of Cynthia Glass (something they outright state in the AC season 1 book)

Yes, there were women who were nazis! Here are some articles and blog posts about women in the third reich:

Women in the Third Reich | Holocaust Encyclopedia (ushmm.org) Nazi Ravensbrück camp: How ordinary women became SS torturers - BBC News "Ordinary Women: Female Perpetrators of the Nazi Final Solution" by Haley A. Wodenshek (trincoll.edu) The Violence of Female Guards in Nazi Concentration Camps (1939-1945): Reflections on the Dynamics and Logics of Power | Sciences Po Mass Violence and Resistance - Research Network The History Press | Vera Eriksen: The Second World War’s most enigmatic spy A Guide to Female Nazi Guards - Holocaust Matters Nursing Clio More than Accomplices: The Crimes of Hitler’s Female SS Female Nazi war criminals (capitalpunishmentuk.org)

[imposterogers]

mcu peggy carter is so fucked up bc they wanted her to be a # girlboss. which they attempted by having her shoot at steve when another girl flirted with him (not even him flirting with another girl) and canonically recruiting n@zis into shield (an organization made in cap’s honor) including the scientist arnin zola who she knew experimented on steve rogers best friend. like y’all couldn’t have figured something else out or…

[queerextremity]

BTW FUCK PEGGY AND HOWARD

[buckymilf]

marvel for the love of god PLEASE STOP forcing down steve and peggy down our throats, we get it, you ruined his character so they could be together now let us REST, we can't take this anymore.

[captainwidowspring]

I am currently writing a paper on the music of the Captain America trilogy, and this has caused me to notice an exceedingly interesting detail that I previously missed. In The First Avenger, after Peggy shoots at Steve, a melody that sounds very similar to the Captain America theme plays. This repeats twice: one time when she puts the gun down and stalks away, and again while Steve and Howard are so shocked by what Peggy just did that they stare after her even as they continue their conversation.

This is quite disgusting, as it rather implies that Peggy just did something noble and honorable, or something that Steve would approve of, when this is not even close to the case. Steve would never be so thoroughly irresponsible and reckless, nor would he approve of such pettiness, or partake in it himself. Indeed, it is clear to see how betrayed Steve felt when he was cautiously ensuring that she was done shooting at him. The music also disingenuously tries to reframe the characters' reactions to her outburst as positive. The fact that the almost-Captain-America theme continues after Peggy leaves Steve and Howard staring after her endeavors to make it seem like their reaction is because they're impressed, rather than because they are stunned and dismayed as is far more likely.

And what's worse, this is not even the only time that the music disagrees with how the characters are acting in its haste to glorify Peggy and promote Steggy. Later in the movie, after Peggy kisses Steve without his consent, a happy little horn melody plays, even though it is pretty clear that the kiss upset Steve, and did not please him. The music seriously did a surprising amount of heavy-lifting for Steggy.

But in any case, this does help explain why so many people have no problem with Peggy assaulting Steve, and even see it as a good thing: the music is encouraging them to see it that way. This is yet another example of how influential framing can be.

[gay-jewish-bucky]

it has nothing to do with the ship and everything to do with her being an awful person

some examples:

as we learn in tws she willingly hired zola, a nazi scientist, and worked with him for decades people at the time protested the u.s. gov hiring nazi scientists, there is no excuse to welcome the same nazis who perpetrated genocide and carried out human experiments against jews, romani people, disabled people and queer people etc not to mention he's the same nazi scientist both steve and bucky died trying to stop, the one philips told shouldn't expect special treatment

she's based off of cynthia glass, a nazi spy, i don't think there is an acceptable level of nazi for any character to be based off of for them to still be a good person, is that so controversial?

in tfa she assaulted steve with a gun after he was kissed by another woman without his consent because she feels some kind of ownership over him

what i expected was that this character created by jewish men during the holocaust to combat antisemitism and other forms of bigotry would end up with someone without nazi ties and wouldn't give up all his morals and values, is that too much to ask?

You know what? I don't get why people hate Peggy so much. I mean, yeah, if it weren't for her there was a good chance Steve and Bucky would be together but not in the way we hoped. I mean, what did you expect? They'd still be portrayed as "straight".

Please don't hate me. This is just my thoughts on it.

[tremorsmackenzie]

leaving this pinned until marvel actually gives us good queer rep

like so many of the actors (at least in the old marvel shows) have said theyd be onboard with playing their characters queer. queer fans have obviously always wanted that. it cannot be understated how important and impactful good representation is.

and there is so much queercoding going on already, just actually do it at this point. bite the bullet.

stop being cowards marvel

[therossgarden]

Steve not being brainwashed but still not giving a crap about Peggy’s pleads and leaving her is top tier and I was laughing my ass off

While Bucky’s wrinkled ass made the HYDRA stomper hesitate even before Steve went back to normal and I LOVE it