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Tony: You gotta walk in rooms like the gods sent you.

Bucky: As a punishment.

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Regarding the idea that Hulk wasn't wanted by any of the Avengers, I don't think that's true. For example, Tony straight up told Bruce, "I'm a huge fan of the way you lose control and turn into an enormous green rage monster," and even tried to provoke the Hulk into coming out. Then later during the Battle of New York, Tony expressed faith that Bruce would show up, despite the fact that when they'd last seen him he was the Hulk. And then when Bruce did show up, Tony said, "well tell him to suit up," in spite of Bruce's earlier comment about not getting a suit: and he trusted Hulk to deal with the Chitauri ship whose attention he had gotten. And Hulk showed that he recognized this by saving Tony at the end, first by catching him and then by scaring him enough to start breathing again.

And Tony was far from the only one to treat Hulk well. Steve, for example, assured Bruce that he wouldn't treat him any differently because of the Hulk. And then during the Battle of New York, he gave Hulk orders like he gave to the rest of the team, treating him like any other teammate: and Hulk cheerfully followed them, showing that he both respected Steve and was glad to be included.

And I really don't think Natasha feared the Hulk. I mean, of course she was scared when she was actively getting chased and was possibly almost killed by him, but even during the Battle of New York, when she said, "I've seen worse" and Bruce apologized, she specifically said, "No, we could use a little worse," so she wasn't opposed to Hulk coming out again. It's also worth remembering that, in Age of Ultron, Natasha specifically tricked the Hulk into coming out—though that was extremely out of character and I don't think she'd really do that, it does show she wasn't afraid of him—and then later she had her life saved by him, which would further contradict any fear. Really, I don't think that deleted scene in Infinity War was meant to show that Natasha was scared of the Hulk; I think it was more meant to reinforce the fact that Bruce and Hulk had come to an agreement, since that was the scene it was originally supposed to follow, and having Hulk not respond to the previously established deactivation phrase was a quick and easy way to show that.

As for whether Loki was talking about the Hulk or himself in his, "Oh no, you brought the monster," comment, I think he was in fact talking about the Hulk. After all, what prompted that comment was Natasha saying, "You're a monster," in response to the tirade he had just inflicted upon her: and instead of agreeing with her, which he likely would have if he had been talking about himself, Loki replied, "Oh no, you brought the monster." He even laughed right before he said it, as if it was a relief that there was someone he could point to as being more of a monster than him. Given Loki's lack of agreement and his comments when Fury first put him in the container, Natasha therefore deduced that he was talking about the Hulk. And then when the Hulk did subsequently come out, Loki did end up using the distraction he caused as an opportunity to escape—after being incredibly pleased when he first heard the Hulk roar—making it clear that that had indeed been his plan. So Natasha's deductions about Loki's scheme were correct, it's just that she and the others ended up being unable to stop it from happening.

That doesn't mean that Loki wasn't talking about himself elsewhere, however. I recently saw a YouTube comment from gozerthegozarian9500 that provides a very interesting perspective on this:

"Each and every one of Loki's monologues in this movie is him projecting his own self-loathing at the person(s) he's talking to, whether it's calling Steve "a man out of time" or Bruce "the beast, makes play he's still a man", you name it. His rant at Natasha about how the harm she has done can never be undone and she can never be redeemed? 100% how he feels about himself."

You know when loki said to Natasha "you brought monster to this ship" I think he meant was himself. After all when loki talk to Fury he called banner/hulk a beast not monster.

Actually its kind nice Loki calling Hulk a beast because that is meant Hulk have feeling.but of course Natasha the first words monster in her head is hulk, and look like everyone on ship thinking that Hulk is monster (evil and not had feeling)

Its very understanding that Hulk not like Avenger, they no want him , they only want him to fight the forced him 'sleep' again, they no want trying understand him.

While i understand where they feel come from, its just sad

like in one of delete scene infinity War, when Bruce manage to become Hulk again in wakanda, Natasha immediately trying to forced Hulk be banner again. I know that Natasha fear that Hulk be dangerous but still its kind sad

Yeah, it's a pretty good detail that the entire team and the audience are led to believe that the "monster" Loki is talking about is Hulk, but the brainwashed Shield agents come for Loki, not Bruce. In fact, the only ones who do attack Bruce are Shield agents!

That's one of the things that makes the first Avengers movie really good. Like showing his reflection here while he's giving this speech, making it so that he's more talking to himself than Nat:

I miss this Marvel. The subtle (or not so subtle) hints, the foreshadowing, the callbacks to previous movies that are not overly obvious but add to the story...

But your ask just made me wish we had seen Loki and Bruce interacting a bit more.

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Catws is such an important movie and we can never talk about it enough

This movie is literally about a nazi terrorist regime that successfully infiltrates the us government and tries to take over everything but their plans are stopped *not just by the avengers in the movie* but by so many regular everyday people deciding to stand up to hydra’s demands, planting their feet and telling them no

It’s that guy at the computer who, gun to his head and with tears in his eyes, still refuses to launch the helicarriers

It’s the security officers all around the triskellion that are outnumbered and outgunned but still choose to fight hydra bc it’s the right thing to do

It’s Sharon Carter refusing to blindly follow orders from her superiors when they seem worthy of questioning (even before hydra was unmasked)

It’s even the high ranking political officers that oversee shield that blatantly refuse Pierce’s offers to join him in his plans for ultimate control

When Steve and Natasha talk to Zola he literally spells it out for them that hydra has been using fear to control people and make them desperate and afraid enough to willingly sacrifice their own freedom

But while all of the people in this movie are visibly shaken and afraid they also actively choose to not give in to it and decide to fight for what they know is right

This movie is so important bc in some ways (big or small) we��re all that guy in the chair- and our choices will always matter 💙

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Captain America: The Winter Soldier (2014) dir Anthony & Joe Russo

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Seriously, acting like Multiverse of Madness is an accurate depiction of Wanda is akin to acting like Endgame is an accurate depiction of Steve (and Steve didn't even have a magic book controlling him!). I mean, Multiverse of Madness is so far off that it doesn't even line up with the WandaVision post-credits scene, which was clearly created for it.

Also, I have two things to say about the Ironheart point:

I don't think very many people (if anyone!) are defending Riri's choice to make a deal with a demon, so that isn't really a good counterpoint. Something bad happening in one Marvel property does not mean that the problems in another cannot be pointed out.

For me at least, the problem with the Thunderbolts ending wasn't so much that they "made a deal with the devil"—I mean, Yelena said threateningly to Valentina "We own you now," so it's not like Valentina had all the power in the situation—as it was that they just let Valentina get away with everything. The Thunderbolts literally had a golden opportunity to call out Valentina's lie, and finally expose her and give her a chance to face consequences for her actions: but instead, not only did they just go along with it, making it much harder to expose her in the future, but they also let her completely take credit for their accomplishments, despite the fact that for a good portion of the movie she was literally trying to kill them! So the problem is less the deal itself and more the implications of the deal.

This is a very good example of how I think the final scene should have gone: https://archiveofourown.org/works/65841745

People acting like the New Avengers are evil incarnate whilst pretending the og team were paragons of virtue is hilarious to me.

Like you don't get to be all outraged about Alexei being a "child trafficker" whilst ignoring how Wanda slaughtered an entire temple full of teenage magic acolytes & tried to kill another teenager all in an attempt to kidnap the childen of her variant.

You don't get to condemn Walker for "killing an innocent man" to avenge the murder of his best friend, but also be fine with how Tony tried to brutally murder Bucky despite (and shot him in the back) knowing he was mind- controlled.

You don't have a right to complain about Yelena "continuing to kill after she was freed" and yet make excuses for Clint having gone on the rampage as Ronin and killed hundreds of people during The Snap.

Edit for Ironheart ending: You also don't get to complain about the Thunderbolts "making a deal with the devil" or "working for the bad guy" when Riri Willians made a deal with a literal demon to resurrect the AI version of her friend.

The people condemning the Thunderbolts don't have the moral high ground here. They're just revealing themselves to be hypocrites.

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happy birthday grandpa rogers!

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Happy Birthday, Steven Grant Rogers (July 4th, 1918)

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Happy 106th Birthday, America's Sweetheart - (2024)

July 4th! Happy Birthday, Cap 💗

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Captain America is so cool I can’t believe they made a whole holiday for him

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Happy birthday, Steve!! 💕🎉

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A Phillip's Version of Gone, Gone, Gone came out, so I thought I would add it here. It's really good, and Phillip's voice is even a lot sweeter in this one than the original, which more closely fits how Steve would likely sing it.

It is nice to have such an improvement on an already wonderful song, and I still think the song fits the Stuckynat relationship very well.

There is a song that describes Steve, Natasha, and Bucky's relationship so well it is almost like it was written for them. That song is Gone, Gone, Gone by Phillip Phillips. Imagining that it is being sung by Steve, the first verse is to Natasha, the second verse is to Bucky, and then the first half of the third verse is to Bucky, and the second half to Natasha.

It is nice to have a song that so wonderfully fits their relationship.

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You belong with me. 💚💛💜❤️🩵🖤

Letter on my site :)

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A year ago today, Wanda Maximoff died in more ways than one

I mean, I miss her EVERY day, but today it’s been worse.

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Catnap in the sun

This is for a lovely prompt by nefhiriel at avengersgen:

Bucky has spent far too much time locked up underground/going on night time missions. Cue rehabilitation involving a LOT of cat-naps in the sun. He doesn’t even need a chair. He just follows the shifting sunbeams around and sits down on the floor and closes his eyes and enjoys the sunshine. And falls asleep. And amuses everyone, a lot.

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