#anti-lily orchard

[sjbattleangel]

The Virgin Lily Orchard:

Sides with abusers

Lies about having Indigenous heritage

Is horrifically abusive to friends and family

Always sides with corporations

Writes awful revenge-fics out of spite

Fetishizes black women

Dismisses an entire cultural animation medium (anime) as "spankbait for perverts"

Wrote the worst writing advice ever

Has a pathetic vendetta against Rebecca Sugar for simply existing

Sends death threats to creators

Throws marginalized creators under the bus for not being "woke" enough

Lied about being a "highly sought-after writer" solely to spite Rebecca Sugar, ND Stevenson, Darron Nefcy, Dana Terrace and her sister

Hates Asians

Hates Jews

Holds nothing but contempt for animation

Wants all of animation to be nothing but slice-of-life romantic comedies

Wants the Hays code back

The Chad Rebecca Sugar:

One of the nicest people working in the industry

Has fought hard for diversity and representation in animation

Is incredibly talented

Is friends with Alex Hirsch (Gravity Falls), Matt Braly (Amphibia) and many others

Paved the way for more diverse creators

Has won multiple awards

Wrote and sang songs for Adventure Time

A non-binary, bisexual Jewish woman whose background and experiences influence her work

Created one of the most groundbreaking, inclusive, LGBTQ+ friendly shows of all time

Fought against higher-ups when they tried to censor the queerness of her work

Helped normalize discussions of kids' mental health

An uplifting inspiration to a generation of queer kids growing up

Influenced by both western animation and anime

Married to Ian Jones Quartey

[sjbattleangel]

THIS.

Remember, Lily's horrible video isn't "Criticism". No, it's just one long screed against Rebecca Sugar. She's just using "concerns for representation" and "criticising horrible writing" as a smokescreen to cover a deeply rabid, personal vendetta showrunner who never harmed her in her life.

The comment I left on Lily Orchard’s Steven Universe video

For @harryhenry1 , @ankle-beez and anyone else who wanted my hot take before it was deleted (potentially)

“This video is very bad, and I can give you like a hundred reasons why, but let’s stick with some simple ones.

- You have a lack of understanding of the meaning of character development; Steven going from being a silly rambunctious kid with no sense of danger to a soft-spoken pacifist with defined beliefs isn’t them going back and forth on his personality, it’s him developing as the series goes on. Remember how Finn from Adventure Time started out as just a super obnoxious and loud kid but then slowly turned into a very mature teen with an understanding of how he affects others? Yeah, it’s the same thing, except this is Steven Universe (the show that gets more flak than it deserves). Oh wow, Steven changes as a person because of him going through a series of life-changing events from season two to season five, what a big surprise! I would’ve expected him to just go the Goku route of collecting new powers and upgrades without ever changing his beliefs or ideals to fit with things he’s learned, shame on Rebecca (who takes sole responsibility for everything that happens in Steven Universe for whateer reason)!

- It can be very easy to say that the writing of a show is lazy by simplifying characters and events down and removing anything beyond that, (Amethyst being laidback, Garnet being stoic, Pearl being anxious, Diamonds being nazis???, etc.) but if that’s what you think the characters boil down to, it just means you don’t grasp them too well. For example, you simplifying the events of Mindful Education to just ‘Garnet singing vaguely about trauma and nothing happens until the last minute’ clearly means you missed the song’s message about how to deal with anxiety, and that you think that being subtle and vague is interchangeable.

- Rebecca Sugar is not an animator, literally never is she credited as an animator in any episode of the show, but besides that, I think you don’t think you understand the meaning of animation if you think that’s the same thing as 'proportion inconsistencies.’

- Using the term Hide Your Gays to describe a character who is literally symbolic for a gay relationship is kinda ridiculous, and the fact that you admit that Ruby and Sapphire themselves have a well-written relationship shows you don’t have a foot to stand on with this flimsy argument. Ruby and Sapphire *are* present, if they weren’t then Garnet wouldn’t exist. I don’t have much else to say on this, so let’s move on to your biggest point. (I skip over the whole Concrete thing because that issue is over and done with, with her apologizing thoroughly)

- So Pink being Rose somehow ruins every scrap of potential the series had? I think by 'ruin’ you mean 'enhanced by adding even more possible potential storylines and plot-points.’ Honestly, character growth wasn’t ruined at all, it was actually way more interesting that she was a Diamond- having Rose be super badass and perfect by assassinating the enemy singlehandedly in a way that would literally be impossible would be kind of dull, especially since we already knew she was flawed (which is apparently a bad thing to you). If you think this twist is complicated when you’ve had so long to think about it I don’t think spending so long ranting about it was really the best idea- Pink Diamond’s time on Earth made her realize that the Earth had life that deserved protecting, she was unable to convince the Diamonds to stop the colonization because they didn’t take her seriously, she sparked a rebellion since she knew they wouldn’t be able to ignore it, and because she makes the obviously flawed decision to fake her own shattering with the idea that the Diamonds don’t actually care about her and will stop the colonization because of her death. What was that about Kingdom Hearts having a more complicated plot? If you think Pearl, Amethyst, Lapis and Steven are 'the most wretched people you’ve ever met’ because of those overexaggerated traits, I can think of plenty more characters you might think are the worst. "Bugs Bunny uses manipulation and gaslighting to get his way, Daffy Duck is a hot-headed idiot, Elmer Fudd is a sociopath who shows no hesitation to kill sentient beings and doesn’t learn from his mistakes, etc.” Do you see how oversimplyifying things can make anybody sound horrible? And Pink Diamond’s motivation was not 'I hate responsibility,’ it was 'I feel empathy toward the life already inhabiting this planet and am not being taken seriously, making me think the only way I’ll make any impact is by lashing out.’ Her motives are meant to be flawed, Rebecca Sugar even once said in a podcast that Rose was a bad person, so all your ranting about her being bad serves no purpose when the creator states that was the purpose.

- I’ll summarize the idiocy of this whole “Space Nazi” thing in a sentence: It is ridiculous to claim that a Jewish woman is trying to send a message that Nazis are okay just because she makes her villains sympathetic (aka has good writing).

- People who come to the conclusion that Rebecca Sugar is a fascist sympathizer are… just dumb, don’t give them credit for thinking that.

- This video easily could have been shortened to like fifteen minutes if you just went over the essential points in a clear way, but it seems you have a masochistic thing for yelling about things you don’t like for as long as possible. In conclusion, anyone who claims this video is taking down Steven Universe and is super epic is kind of just wrong.“

[lily-v-orchard]

Lily telling her fans to report Anthony Gramuglia's videos "to be annoying", calling herself a pariah, and saying that she will call anybody who looks at her funny a nazi. Can't make this shit up

[lilyorchardstuff]

You know, I noticed something...

Solid Lily always, and I mean ALWAYS, personally targets:

.Rebecca Sugar - A non-binary, bisexual Jewish woman.

.ND Stevenson - A non-binary, queer, trans man.

.Dana Terrace - A bisexual woman.

.David Gaider - A gay man.

And her favourite media punching bags are Steven Universe, She-Ra, Star Vs. The Forces Of Evil, The Owl House, Dragon Age, Baldur's Gate III (and now, Arcane); works that champion diversity and inclusion, that always put marginalized people (LGBTQ+ people, people of color, ect) at the forefront of their stories. Yet, for a self-proclaimed, progressive leftist who claims to care about representation and stand against bigotry, I NEVER see Lily go after regressive reactionaries like Trey P*rker, M*tt Stone, Fr*nk Miller, J*hn Byrne, Thom*s Mahler, Americ*n McGee, John Carm*ck, Ethan V*n Sciver, the dev team behind H*tred, the dev team behind Post*l and so forth.*

*(Just for the record, I'm not telling anyone to "cancel" these creators. You can still enjoy their work. Plus, "cancel culture" isn't real BTW)

I have a feeling that Lily is either a barely closeted, far-right bigot pretending to be a woke progressive because she sees it as "fashionable" or is suffering from severe internalized misogyny and queerphobia.

Or both.

[66kenobi66]

Please tell me I'm not the only one unnerved by this?

How much of creep do you have to be to see a picture of a cartoon character wearing his mother's old outfit and immediately go: "Oh yeah, this is obviously meant to be hot"?

Like, this is deranged behavior.

Sureee, Lily...

[ringleader-inky]

Who wants to bet that this is a self ask? Also Lily really called Ant, a bisexual man, an it and a jizz rag. It's something I've noticed with Lily in that whenever someone criticizes her, she immediately hurls insults at them. And we're sure this isn't the golden child of the family? Also Lily there are so many problems with your pokemon video. You called N a racist and every insult under the sun. Because you can't understand stories worth shit.

[sjbattleangel]

"I'm not (media illiterate)."

Lily, you are one of THE MOST media illiterate people on the face of the earth! You decided Moon Girl And Devil Dinosaur was "automatically garbage" because you heard it was going to be serialized; You dismissed Amphibia as "irredeemable trash, sight unseen" because you heard it had a story and fell for some stupid nontroversy regarding a crew member's fanart; You sided with Disney suits when they cancelled The Owl House for being "too dark and scary for kids" to appease some moral guardians and watchdogs (who may've not even existed)! You want to control what kids watch, you want all of animation to be nothing but toothless, slice-of-life romantic comedies with no action, stakes or soul. Just like your crappy coffee shop AUs.

Not to mention whenever any piece of media contains disturbing and/or problematic moments, you automatically believe it equals "endorsement" and to you, we're all impressionable babies who can't tell fact from fiction and need to be "protected for our good." You just want censor and police fiction to satisfy your own holier-than-thou self-indulgence. Helen Lovejoy much?

"I didn't (accuse Rebecca Sugar of being a sex fiend)."

Hermana, WE HAVE RECEIPTS!

You and your simps decided that a sweet, wholesome picture of Steven wearing his mother's hand-me-downs is somehow Rebecca Sugar's way of "sexualizing him." Even more, in your awful Rebecca Sugar Must Die video, you accused Sugar of sexualizing the character of Stevonnie and that through fusion, Sugar made Seven and Connie "have sex". For this you constantly attacked Sugar as a "creep", "pervert", "disease", "fascist sympathizer", trying your hardest to convince everyone that Sugar is some Neo-Nazi pedophile.

No, Lily! Rebecca sugar is not-and never has been-a Neo-Nazi pedophile! She didn't sexualize Steven! She didn't sexualize Stevonnie! But most of all, fusion was never a metaphor for sex!

The only ones sexualizing Steven, Connie and Stevonnie are YOU and your simps!

[sjbattleangel]

@momett

I saw that video yesterday and, like you, I'm so glad it exists. Steven Universe is a beautiful milestone in queerness and diversity. For that we should be uplifting Rebecca Sugar and Co. who fought non-stop for such representation in animation. Yet, I feel like we don't deserve Steven Universe or the entire Crewniverse. Gamergate/Comicsgate Channer-board Neo-Nazis (Like E*R) weaponized Internet "Cringe Culture" to bash Steven Universe whilst leading harassment campaigns against its creators, all for the crime of being an inclusive work made by mostly marginalized people. You'd think so-called "progressive" circles would come to the defence but nope! They joined in the bullying by building communities dedicated to tearing Steven Universe down for not being "woke enough" or "queer enough" along with smearing Rebecca Sugar as a "horrible person", "creep", "fascism apologist" among others.

Lily on the other hand? She's a special case. She straight-up hates Rebecca Sugar as a person. Anyone can tell from watching a few seconds of her video that she never wanted to "critique" Steven Universe or demand "better representation". She just wants to take down Sugar, all because of some pathetic, little personal vendetta of hers.

To the people who joined in bullying a minority-fronted crew, who created a atmosphere that allowed toxic scum like Lily to flourish: I hope you're happy. Because of you and the vitriolic culture you created, many women, LGBTQ+ people and BIPOC are terrified of creating new diverse works, fearing they'll be torn apart the way you tore Sugar and the Crewniverse apart. It was never about "representation" or "social justice", it was always about attacking soft targets in order to make yourselves look like perfect saints. Sugar and Co. were just the perfect targets at the right time. That....is just beyond vile. And for that, you don't deserve anything.

@momett Ugh! I feel like we're our own worst enemy! Right?

i'm watching "lily orchard is wrong, and here's why" by hiding in private and i'm honestly so fucking glad this video exists. LO's video was a nuke towards steven universe discourse (which at that point was mostly full of right wing grifters trying to tear down a show that welcomed marginalized people with open arms) in a really unique and vicious way. its so full of half-truths and straight up lies about the show hidden behind a faux-progressive coat of paint that it's hard to believe anyone took it seriously. it's hard to believe i once took it seriously.

i really enjoyed LO's content as a young queer teenager just coming to terms with its identity so seeing where she is now is just. sad? it's like finding out someone you looked up to is actually a horrible person. which, i mean. given stockholm and everything that isn't exactly too off base.

[nubemon]

"Courtney needs support and should be believed over Lily." and "Courtney is not exempt from criticism and shouldn't be so abrasive with people." are two statements that can and should coexist.

[liquidorcard]

Sai on stream: "oh no you're going to send Lily my address what's she gunna do fly down from novascotia and punch me."

[lily-v-orchard]

So Lily found out about Tapirclip's video about Iris and Kiera and spent the second half of her wow stream tonight raging about it.

"It's funny they call it anti-medicine because like Iris has a PhD in clinical psychology"

Translation: "My imaginary friend went to college so I can't possibly be wrong about my understanding of child psychology"

[sjbattleangel]

She's not hiding it anymore. She literally believes Rebecca Sugar is a closeted Neo-Nazi. That and deep down, she's a bigoted antisemite cosplaying as a woke progressive. Lily, just admit you hate queer Jewish people!

'I'm going to compare the creator of a cartoon show I don't like to a Nazi collaborator because the antagonists occacionally cry.'

[lilyvalerieorchard]

Oh, you mean the mod where you can marry your sibling? The mod that you've been promoting non-stop ever since Courtney spoke up? Wait! It gets even better! On a Twitch stream, Lily revealed a little item she made for her OC's fictional sister...

[btart1313]

So… Lily changed her banner again, right after @crimsonender and his chat made a joke about cockroaches on stream.

But Lily, you know who eats cockroach’s?

Bon appétit 

[aishabellasbigblogofeverything]

Lily Orchard IS RACIST!!!! (not like we didn’t all know that already) 

this post is racist.

this term has been overwhelmingly used against Black women to try to paint them as lazy, irresponsible and entitled people who want it all for free. if you try to search on the internet definitions of it they won't immediately say the part about targetting Black women, but if you look for examples or images then a big portion of what you're going to find is pictures such as these:

or the picture of other Black women. there's no way to miss the connection. i know what LO probably intended to do with her post. she's saying that in America a term that is meant to be for people who want everything for free and provided by the government in Canada is applied to the mounted police. she's trying to critique the mounted police as lazy and entitled people... but while doing so, she's also whitewashing a racist term and erasing the struggle that comes from living with it.

LO's not black. she has no claim whatsoever to any of the experience that is growing up black in America, so she has no right to not only make such light reference to it, validating it as a real thing that happens in the process, but also to step all over it to try to punch someone else entirely.

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