#lily orchard is toxic

[sjbattleangel]

The Virgin Lily Orchard:

Sides with abusers

Lies about having Indigenous heritage

Is horrifically abusive to friends and family

Always sides with corporations

Writes awful revenge-fics out of spite

Fetishizes black women

Dismisses an entire cultural animation medium (anime) as "spankbait for perverts"

Wrote the worst writing advice ever

Has a pathetic vendetta against Rebecca Sugar for simply existing

Sends death threats to creators

Throws marginalized creators under the bus for not being "woke" enough

Lied about being a "highly sought-after writer" solely to spite Rebecca Sugar, ND Stevenson, Darron Nefcy, Dana Terrace and her sister

Hates Asians

Hates Jews

Holds nothing but contempt for animation

Wants all of animation to be nothing but slice-of-life romantic comedies

Wants the Hays code back

The Chad Rebecca Sugar:

One of the nicest people working in the industry

Has fought hard for diversity and representation in animation

Is incredibly talented

Is friends with Alex Hirsch (Gravity Falls), Matt Braly (Amphibia) and many others

Paved the way for more diverse creators

Has won multiple awards

Wrote and sang songs for Adventure Time

A non-binary, bisexual Jewish woman whose background and experiences influence her work

Created one of the most groundbreaking, inclusive, LGBTQ+ friendly shows of all time

Fought against higher-ups when they tried to censor the queerness of her work

Helped normalize discussions of kids' mental health

An uplifting inspiration to a generation of queer kids growing up

Influenced by both western animation and anime

Married to Ian Jones Quartey

[flower-boi16]

The way Lily victimizes herself in her Hazbin Hotel video is very...telling of the kinda person she is. Lily is an infamous and hated YouTuber, somebody who has a large following of people who actively spend their time criticizing and calling out her horrible actions.

And Lily KNOWS this. She KNOWS how bad her reputation online is, she knows all the shit she's done, SHE KNOWS why people hate her. But...she refuses to acknowledge it. In her Hazbin video, she talks about the online discourse going around for Vivziepop and while defending her mentions her own hatedom, calling her critics "parasocial mobs" who go and "ruin her life over the prettiest of garbage" (she doesn't directly call her critics the latter but she clearly is relating to Viv here when talking about this so she indirectly saying that).

Lily. Do you want to know why people criticize you? Oh, I forgot, you do know why people criticize you. You're a toxic AF person, you're unable to respect anyone's opinions, you have dogshit media takes, you wrote a pedophilic mlp fan-fiction, and you are actively horrible and toxic to ALL THE PEOPLE CLOSE TO YOU including you're own sister WHO YOU MOLESTED and choose to actively deny that fact by lying and APPARENTLY SAY THAT THE SISTER YOU WERE ABUSING WAS ABUSING YOU.

But Lily can't admit that. She isn't a good enough person to actually hold herself accountable for her mistakes. Instead, she calls all the people who rightfully criticize her for her shit "stalkers", so she can paint herself as the poor UwU victim of online discourse to her fans.

Fucking. Pathetic.

[samasmith23]

Head-up to block and report Nooblord9001, a very possible Lily Orchard sock-puppet. https://www.tumblr.com/sjbattleangel/749771850321625088/just-a-reminder-that-nooblord9001-is-99-likely

Stay safe and warn your fellow mutuals.

Alright! Will do!

[twisting-echo]

Lily shouldn't have been nasty to you

Belley is a cute ship name and I'm sorry you had to deal with that

Wow, thank you! I was really starting to think that it was a stupid ship name, but your saying that it's really cute makes me feel less self-conscious about it.

You're too kind and such a sweetheart for going out of your way to tell me this.

I'm so touched 🥲❤️‍🩹🫂

[samasmith23]

Dang! You just went full Pulp Fiction on Lily Orchard there Britt! Nice!

So apparently Lily is "planning to sue me".

Do it, bitch. I'd love to get your hoards of archived illegal material in front of a law official from your province who will actually listen to me. It's not libel if it's true and darlin' I've got all the fuckin receipts.

She's also telling her audience to brigade me with false reports. So if this blog vanishes, that's why.

It's not gonna get rid of me, Lily. It's not gonna get rid of the evidence I have in Google drives, local saves, and the wayback machine. It's not gonna get rid of the interview. It's not gonna shut me up.

I'm not stopping until your channel is no longer financially viable, you get booted off youtube, or your ass gets thrown in prison. Whichever comes first.

[sjbattleangel]

There, Lily. I fixed it for you.

Don't thank me, I'm only portraying what you TRULY believe.

[twisting-echo]

Psst I'm sorry Lily Orchard is a jerk and I like your ship name more

Thank you so much. That actually makes me feel a lot better. You're very sweet, thank you. 🥲🫂❤️‍🩹

[trappedinthewalls]

I'd like to remind everyone that Courtney has not been on Tumblr during this whole thing of Lily's blog getting nuked and people making joke accounts to clog the tag up (which has been great, by the way). She's been dealing with the aftermath of losing her mother in law, with all the emotional and financial issues that come with that. She's basically been removed from this whole thing.

I know Lily and Mikaila call everyone taking Lily to task for her hideous behavior harassment, but no one has actually been doing that. An agreed upon code of conduct in this circle is that no one is to engage with Lily directly. People just make fun of her crappy media takes and talk about her sh*tty behavior in a public forum. She's a public figure with a following; people are allowed to do that (she's certainly done the same thing to other influencers and creators). Lily is a fully grown adult capable of deciding whether or not to check the tags with her name on it. No one is sending her hate mail, at least not here. And as far as accusing people of wanting her to kill herself, that's also not happening. Lily's the one constantly telling people to drink bleach and wishing for people to get their heads bashed in with a brick.

Tumblr probably took her account down for the same reason it likely got shut down the first time: her gross incest fics.

I know people have sympathy for Mikaila for having to be married to Lily, but it's times like this that remind me she can be just as nasty as her predator of a wife.

Here's Courtney's video on the go fund me, by the way. Send support if you can.

[that-one-kiddo-in-the-back]

I'm ready Lily stans

Okay, I need everyone on Lily's side to do a brain exercise with me.

If Lily to always a victim and never the problem then she is lying about something if all of her friends have decided to cut her off then she is the problem. if every room you go in smells like shit then check your shoes

[dorkycreature-89]

i don't like calling fandoms/fanbases "toxic", i really don't. i don't think it's fair to generalize a bunch of people based on some jackasses in that space. now that i've said that.....

i have never seen a more toxic, parasocial, and (ironically) transphobic fanbase as lily orchard's. i'm kinda astonished by how many people will whiteknight for that woman. and i know "creators aren't responsible for fan's actions" and i would agree with you......if lily didn't perpetuate that toxicity by constantly using her identity as a shield. and they eat this shit up (while unironically being transphobic to other critics)

i swear, it's the youtber version of nicki minaj stans, istg

[lilyvalerieorchard]

I dare Lily Orchard to play this game:

Haunting Ground.

[sjbattleangel]

THIS.

Remember, Lily's horrible video isn't "Criticism". No, it's just one long screed against Rebecca Sugar. She's just using "concerns for representation" and "criticising horrible writing" as a smokescreen to cover a deeply rabid, personal vendetta showrunner who never harmed her in her life.

The comment I left on Lily Orchard’s Steven Universe video

For @harryhenry1 , @ankle-beez and anyone else who wanted my hot take before it was deleted (potentially)

“This video is very bad, and I can give you like a hundred reasons why, but let’s stick with some simple ones.

- You have a lack of understanding of the meaning of character development; Steven going from being a silly rambunctious kid with no sense of danger to a soft-spoken pacifist with defined beliefs isn’t them going back and forth on his personality, it’s him developing as the series goes on. Remember how Finn from Adventure Time started out as just a super obnoxious and loud kid but then slowly turned into a very mature teen with an understanding of how he affects others? Yeah, it’s the same thing, except this is Steven Universe (the show that gets more flak than it deserves). Oh wow, Steven changes as a person because of him going through a series of life-changing events from season two to season five, what a big surprise! I would’ve expected him to just go the Goku route of collecting new powers and upgrades without ever changing his beliefs or ideals to fit with things he’s learned, shame on Rebecca (who takes sole responsibility for everything that happens in Steven Universe for whateer reason)!

- It can be very easy to say that the writing of a show is lazy by simplifying characters and events down and removing anything beyond that, (Amethyst being laidback, Garnet being stoic, Pearl being anxious, Diamonds being nazis???, etc.) but if that’s what you think the characters boil down to, it just means you don’t grasp them too well. For example, you simplifying the events of Mindful Education to just ‘Garnet singing vaguely about trauma and nothing happens until the last minute’ clearly means you missed the song’s message about how to deal with anxiety, and that you think that being subtle and vague is interchangeable.

- Rebecca Sugar is not an animator, literally never is she credited as an animator in any episode of the show, but besides that, I think you don’t think you understand the meaning of animation if you think that’s the same thing as 'proportion inconsistencies.’

- Using the term Hide Your Gays to describe a character who is literally symbolic for a gay relationship is kinda ridiculous, and the fact that you admit that Ruby and Sapphire themselves have a well-written relationship shows you don’t have a foot to stand on with this flimsy argument. Ruby and Sapphire *are* present, if they weren’t then Garnet wouldn’t exist. I don’t have much else to say on this, so let’s move on to your biggest point. (I skip over the whole Concrete thing because that issue is over and done with, with her apologizing thoroughly)

- So Pink being Rose somehow ruins every scrap of potential the series had? I think by 'ruin’ you mean 'enhanced by adding even more possible potential storylines and plot-points.’ Honestly, character growth wasn’t ruined at all, it was actually way more interesting that she was a Diamond- having Rose be super badass and perfect by assassinating the enemy singlehandedly in a way that would literally be impossible would be kind of dull, especially since we already knew she was flawed (which is apparently a bad thing to you). If you think this twist is complicated when you’ve had so long to think about it I don’t think spending so long ranting about it was really the best idea- Pink Diamond’s time on Earth made her realize that the Earth had life that deserved protecting, she was unable to convince the Diamonds to stop the colonization because they didn’t take her seriously, she sparked a rebellion since she knew they wouldn’t be able to ignore it, and because she makes the obviously flawed decision to fake her own shattering with the idea that the Diamonds don’t actually care about her and will stop the colonization because of her death. What was that about Kingdom Hearts having a more complicated plot? If you think Pearl, Amethyst, Lapis and Steven are 'the most wretched people you’ve ever met’ because of those overexaggerated traits, I can think of plenty more characters you might think are the worst. "Bugs Bunny uses manipulation and gaslighting to get his way, Daffy Duck is a hot-headed idiot, Elmer Fudd is a sociopath who shows no hesitation to kill sentient beings and doesn’t learn from his mistakes, etc.” Do you see how oversimplyifying things can make anybody sound horrible? And Pink Diamond’s motivation was not 'I hate responsibility,’ it was 'I feel empathy toward the life already inhabiting this planet and am not being taken seriously, making me think the only way I’ll make any impact is by lashing out.’ Her motives are meant to be flawed, Rebecca Sugar even once said in a podcast that Rose was a bad person, so all your ranting about her being bad serves no purpose when the creator states that was the purpose.

- I’ll summarize the idiocy of this whole “Space Nazi” thing in a sentence: It is ridiculous to claim that a Jewish woman is trying to send a message that Nazis are okay just because she makes her villains sympathetic (aka has good writing).

- People who come to the conclusion that Rebecca Sugar is a fascist sympathizer are… just dumb, don’t give them credit for thinking that.

- This video easily could have been shortened to like fifteen minutes if you just went over the essential points in a clear way, but it seems you have a masochistic thing for yelling about things you don’t like for as long as possible. In conclusion, anyone who claims this video is taking down Steven Universe and is super epic is kind of just wrong.“

[sjbattleangel]

So, according to Lily Orchard...

“.All Anime is crap because it’s perv-pandering garbage made by creepy old-men, for disgusting, smelly, body pillow-carrying weeaboos. No exceptions. .All anime inspired video-games are the same because see reasons above. No exceptions (except for Kingdom Hearts and Pokemon because...Sora and Gardevoir babus!). .If you use anime-inspired art or anime references in your works, you are automatically a horrible person AND a Channer-board Neo-Nazi. No exceptions. .Because they uses tons of anime references in their work, creators like Rebecca Sugar are Channer-board Neo-Nazis who get off to drawings of underage kids. So says the leader!”

Seriously, what the hell is it with Lily and her massive hatred for anime as well as Japanese culture? My guess is that-like most misinformed idiots-her only exposure to anime was through “research”; and by “research”, I mean she just looked at a bunch of cherry-picked, out-of-context online screenshots/video clips of fanservicey moments in random anime (including acclaimed classics like Cowboy Bebop, Full Metal Alchemist and others) and decided not only did they represent their entire respective series, but that those same fanservicy moments represented an ENTIRE MEDIUM! 

And of course, the only so-called “anime fans” Lily ever met were 4Chan Neo-Nazis-the ones who defaced her cartoon avatar-and since Lily adores the “Hitler Ate Sugar” fallacy, she has convinced herself that 4Chan Neo-Nazis represent the quality of ALL anime. Once again, Gromit, speak my feelings:

It’s hilarious  how Western media is filled to the brim with raunchy sexual content (see Belgian, French and Italian comics, "Metal Hurlant" etc.), yet holier-than-thou Helen Lovejoys like Lily barely bat an eye at them. But whenever characters like Feye Valentine, Winry Rockbell and Olivia Mira show the tiniest  bit of skin or sexual liberation, they cry “Weeaboo spankbait! Women and Girls are in danger!! Won’t somebody think of the children!!!” When you step back, you realize this is all just regurgitated “Yellow Peril” rubbish.

In other words...

Lily Orchard is a racist.

[liquidorcard]

Pls draw yourself playing the ukulele like the talented star you are! I even have a song suggestion! A lovely little song called "Toxic Gossip Train."

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[confused-rat]

This is the same woman who insists that Lizzy and Carousel who have complicated and by her judgement abusive relationships with their mothers and said they should have cut them off even though both were young and dependent on their mothers for university and called them cold and callous and parasitic jackasses for not defending her hard enough to them so. Y’know. She’s definitely a role model for how to handle your loved ones being abused.

The decision to cut off abusive family is absolutely NO ONE’S decision but your own, friends support you and give you options — they don’t berate you for not being ready to remove a whole ass part of your life. (Also, hypocritical since we all know Lily is still in contact with her abusive family.)

Though I will add, if your parents are being shitty to your friends then you should endeavor to avoid any situation that would put the two in contact. If speaking up will get you beat or homeless, I get it, but don’t place your friends in a situation where they would even need defending if you know the environment is hostile. Every situation is different though, I get it, so just try your best.

[trappedinthewalls]

You and your annoying little friends can shut up about Lily. You know nothing about her and you obviously aren't interested in hearing her side as most of you don't accept feedback. Play stupid games you will end up finding out.

Wow, check it out, guys; Lily noticed me! A little nobody who barely talks about her and isn't on the forefront of the conversation. Courtney's video must really have her on edge to be bitching at tiny little nothing blogs like me. How much you want to bet she's spamming this kind of comment to everyone who uses her hashtag? Careful, Lily, you might accidentally send one of these to your wife, seeing as you never publicly support the stuff she posts about blowing sunshine up your ass. Go cry about it to her while you're keeping her up late with your incest fanfiction ideas.

Also, accept feedback? On what? How to call out a predator on her bullshit? I mean, I apologized when I said something ignorant and was called out on it. Now I only complain about Lily's garbage personality which is garbage.

Also, I have friends? That's news to me heheh