#anti-bucktommy

[rxdscarf]

i debated posting this because of how toxic this fandom has become but honestly, fuck it fair warning, it's negative towards bt and parts of their fandom, if you don't want to read that keep scrolling 🫶🏼

this is probably the last thing I'll say about this but my issue was never with tommy or bt, it was with the way it ripped the fandom apart. the way people suddenly screeched for eddie to die so buck and tommy could raise chris (or wanting ryan to get deported so eddie wouldn't be "in the way") , with the way people send hate and crosstagged and how 90% of the bt relationship that people fawned over were headcanons because they didn't have enough screen time to develop a dynamic in the first place.

and don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with shipping something based on headcanons. I've shipped characters based on way less. unfortunately, a lot of bt shipper I've seen treated their headcanons like they were canon and insulted everyone who didn't immediately join their hive mind.

the amount of wrongly tagged fanfics on ao3 or posts here on tumblr, the attitude, the ugly "haha i can't wait to see the buddies sad and heartbroken bc bt is CLEARLY endgame and their ship will never happen"... that's what got me from "yeah i don't mind bt" to now "thank FUCK it's over"

[dubiousculturalartifact]

WHAT DID I TELL Y'ALL

So: A consistent theme of Buck's relationships is him putting in more than he's getting back, and people who refuse to meet him at his level. And... Tommy decided to wear a plain black henley, to the 1980s-themed karaoke party that Buck was ridiculously excited about. :/

[madlori]

Co-opting a very real issue for trans people and applying it to a cis man going by more than one name, by his own volition, is super fucking gross, by the way.

[can-i-get-a-yippee]

I guess my whole beef with the whole buckt*mmy convo is that they could’ve easily built up their relationship in that moment and made it a scene where Buck leaned on T*mmy emotionally and grown more emotionally intimate.

Bc Bobby is one of the most important people in Buck’s life, and he mentions that Bobby is like a father to him.

And like instead of adding emotionally depth to their relationship with the convo, it just became joking convo about daddy issues that ended in asex joke one liner that just really didn’t fit the tone of the episode overall :/

[iced-coffee-jesus]

oh, so did they mention buddie at all? did it get mentioned more than bucktommy? just curious as I haven’t seen the paleyfest thing yet.

No, it didn't get mentioned; they don't usually ask explicitly about buddie. I'm not personally keeping a tally score, either.

Buck and Tommy only had the one mention that I posted earlier. The Paley fest thing was fun but definitely didn't give out any new information. Every question was very focused on where everything was left off last season. Athena and Bobby are house hunting, Madney is taking care of Mara, Henren's plot is also about Mara, Eddie is going on a journey of self-discovery, and Buck hates Gerard. That was about it!

I do generally get a kick out of how little Oliver will expand on bt, though lol.

[bibuckagenda]

I might start using anti-bucktommy or something? I don’t want to post hate in a ship tag; I’d get pissed if someone did it for mine, you know?

[mr-and-mr-diaz]

What's happening?

tbh it's been so long, I can't remember what this is referencing, but in recent tumblr activity in this neighborhood:

I went from not caring about bummy to severely disliking it. I think it's a mix of bummy shipper behavior (including but not limited to: terrible tagging so i got their shit on my feed, and bad takes, everything else is whatever), the UTTER LACK of chemistry between Lou and Oliver that is reflected in the zero chemistry between Buck and Tommy, and just how cheated I feel that they think they can just throw any ol' man at Buck and that's enough for me to be like "Whelp I guess Buck and Eddie's epic love story just isn't meant to be and we can replace Eddie with just any old guy *shrugs*." No one would accept that if someone tried to subvert a straight ship and I ain't lowering my standards here either.

I threw shade at polin (bridgerton), and didn't tag correctly, which is my bad. Someone sent me aggressive anons, and I felt so popular for like 3 seconds.

[rainbowtitania]

The #LetBuckSayBi meta that even fewer people asked for:

I think Buck's instant comfort with the idea of being attracted to men made it seem like he's just like "i kiss boys now! yay! all my problems are solved! no further thought necessary!" which is a very Buck thing to do, but 8x06 suggests it isn't actually that simple.

His relationship with Tommy now seems like it was holding him back from fully integrating his sexuality into his identity. Not because bisexual people in general need to sleep around to understand their sexuality, but because certified identity-sublimator Buck Buckley was using Tommy as a role model to shape his own queerness around, rather than taking any time to understand what it meant for him.

Everyone's kind of joking about Buck not instantly wikipedia-ing a bunch of shit the minute he realized he was bi, but Buck asking questions about Kinsey scales and researching queer history and using a specific "bisexual" label would only disrupt Evan's ability to subconsciously mirror the queerness that Tommy symbolized for him.

"Exploration" can take a lot of forms -- it doesn't need to entail sex or relationships -- but whatever it means to Buck, I think it's pretty clear based on 8x06 that he wasn't doing it. In other words, #letbuckfuck!!!! Literally AND/OR metaphorically!!!

[chaoticbiguysblog]

For the love of GOD, Tommy Kinnard is not historic lgbt rep. White gay characters with no personality are a dime a dozen on network tv. Even Buck's bisexuality storyline, while is groundbreaking for queer firefighters, it's also not historic since "older guy discovers he's bi" was already done in Crazy Ex Girlfriend. Even Eddie's queer awakening wouldn't be historic, as there have been a few "formerly straight-identifying guys with religious trauma coming out later in their lives" storylines on tv. Not to mention, Michael's journey on 911. 

Now, Buck and Eddie's relationship would ABSOLUTELY be historic lgbt rep bc we've never had a slowburn same sex romance on network tv, especially with two firefighters (don't just take my word for it, go Google and see it for yourself, we don't have anything like that yet), if they were to go canon, they'll certainly create history. As for what we have right now, a boring relationship with the characters saying one or two lines to each other every third episode, is hardly historic.

You wanna know what's 911's contribution in historic lgbt representation, it's our own Henrietta "Hen" Wilson.

A badass lesbian firefighter+paramedic, who's also been an interim captain, she's strong despite the severe workplace discrimination she had to endure and she's a great mother, she almost became a doctor too, what is it that she can't do? As for her relationship, it's one of the three front and center relationships on 911, her wife Karen is a rocket scientist, and one of the most emotionally mature character I've ever seen on tv, and even though their relationship hit a bump in the first season, they managed to get past the cheating and after that they've had a relatively healthy and happy marriage, and we don't see a lot of that on network tv, especially with two Black women. Hen and Karen never get their dues for being a wonderful queer+wlw representation, and it has only gotten worse since EvanTommy fans have joined the fandom.

[pangrams-n-palindromes]

7x05 - "Is this (uber) ours?" "no, it's mine"

7x06 - "WE GET AN UBER"

[dubiousculturalartifact]

Obviously I’ve been queerbaited before, like, a genuinely incalculable number of times, and maybe thinking Buddie might actually go canon is a ‘fool me sixteen times, shame on me’ scenario, but I think one big thing that’s keeping my hope alive is this thought: If you genuinely believe that Buddie isn’t going to go canon, 100% zero possibility and absolutely no intention of trying... Then you also have to believe the people who create the show we’re all fans of are purposefully cruel dicks. 

Because we have SEEN what it looks like when the showrunner of 911 knows there is no possibility of it happening, has no plans of it, and is generally trying to avoid accusations of queerbaiting.

It looks like S5 & S6. Little bits here and there, the odd important scene to throw breadcrumbs… but a lot of keeping the two characters apart, being circumspect in interviews, PR shut downs on the actors, etc. The show has proven they are capable and willing to exactly that!

So indulge me, and imagine for a second. They had the conversation with the new network, and the execs told them they wanted to continue with the status quo, to write as if Buddie is never going to go canon, BUT were willing to bend so far as to make one of them queer, to keep the fans happy.

What would that look like?

I don't know, call me foolish.... But I think it would look like keeping the same dynamic from The Drought Seasons. Having them be friends and important to each other but still fairly disconnected, not having as much screen-time, etc, It would look like having Buck’s coming out arc be a SEPARATE, individual narrative. If they just wanted to write Tommy and Buck, and that's it, they could have done things differently.

There are just so many conceivable ways they could have written Buck’s coming out arc, to almost completely separate it from Eddie and have it be made clear, in no uncertain terms, that Buck is bi but that doesn’t mean he cares about Eddie like that, that Eddie is a hetero McHetero.

Buck’s coming out arc could have included him being jealous because he’s suddenly faced with Tommy in the flesh and is insecure about how he was technically ‘Tommy’s replacement’ at the 911, with Eddie not relevant to it at all, or have Maddie and Chimney be the ones to interrupt The Date, or literally any other scenario that didn’t make it all about Eddie. 

They could have had one short scene where Eddie and Buck talk about it, and then the rest would be like, Buck talking to Hen about being queer, Buck interacting just with Tommy and getting to know him, Buck doing a research binge about bisexuality and info-dumping at an inappropriate time during a call, etc etc etc.

That’s how you tell that story and only be writing it for the proverbial ‘general audience’.

But they didn't. They purposefully reversed direction. They chose for Buck’s coming out arc to... highlight his nigh-feral jealousy over Eddie forming a homosocial bond with another guy, having said guy repeat with genuine surprise and shock that it was him and not Eddie that Buck was interested in, have Eddie interrupt their date, have Buck be more worried about lying to Eddie than the fact that he’s queer at all, have Maddie say what she did to Buck about telling Eddie in specifically ambiguous terms…

In a season that also included the Fire Extinguisher Incident, and Buck saying he ‘wishes he could help’ with Eddie’s sexual frustration, and a big increase in social media engagement, and having Buck being Eddie’s rock in the last few episodes while he had a bizarrely platonic affair with his dead wife's doppleganger…

If they did that while KNOWING the plan was actually for Buck/Tommy endgame and Eddie riding off in the sunset with a hot female firefighter who has a cool motorcycle or whatever the fuck, or them both dying in a freak car-washing accident, or….

If they GENUINELY planned that? If the entire Buck jealousy plotline was intended to be nothing more than a deliberate queerbait-and-switch? Then they’re fucking assholes, sorry. They would have to know full well exactly what they were doing, how many people’s hopes and emotional investment they were toying with... If they were actually planning to keep dragging it along for seasons more of baiting and dangling things in front of us, while knowing categorically that they had no plans to deliver? That would be genuinely GOD TIER levels of specific, intentional queerbaiting.

Which could be the case! I won't deny that. Shows have done it before, plenty of times. Tim et al could be callous bastards deliberately instructing the actors to wink it up in interviews and share suggestive Tiktoks, and writing Buck’s coming out arc as being entirely focused around Eddie and throwing out hints... All while laughing behind Buddie fans' backs about our gullibility, how we’re keeping the show trending on the force of our delusions, etc. Maybe that's it! Maybe they just genuinely enjoying fucking with people. Or maybe they were just shitty enough writers that they didn't know what they were doing, and it was all a total accident, somehow, the proverbial monkeys pounding at keyboards and accidentally spelling out B U D D I...

But you know what? Call it naive, but I prefer to think they’re not huge assholes, or hugely incompetent.

That there might actually be a point to all this, somewhere down the line.

I guess we'll find out.

[bloodsoakedbuckley]

like.

inspo

[thebuckandeddiething]

shots on tv aren't random...do with that what you will

[buddiehasmyheart]

Buck, slams adoption papers on Bobbys dining table: Adopt me.

Bobby, slams complete adoption papers back: already have

Buck: What? When?

Athena: your first day at the firehouse

[lenaboskow]

eddie getting pissed at everything tommy does the second he starts dating buck is my favorite genre of fic

[bibuckagenda]

Please ePLEASE tell me this is not about a certain fictional gay man please tell me you’re not saying a real life lesbian is not allowed to hate a gay fictional character that was a bunch of different phobics onscreen because of the very real AIDS crisis