#anti the mary sue blog

[anghraine]

I've been moving and navigating further departmental nonsense etc (my pseudo-dissertation got approved for defending, though! l o l). But it was interesting to see the Worst P&P Takes poll I reblogged accumulating more results and the general tenor of responses in the notes.

I mean, the results are definitely to be expected if you're familiar with the side of Austen fandom doing a lot of the reblogging etc. But still, interesting!

Many Tumblr polls specify that they're asking about personal preferences that may be irrational—favorite/least favorite, coolest/most annoying, or something like that. This one, though, asked for the worst interpretation of P&P, not the most annoying one—and the current leader is "Darcy is never really proud, he's just shy and probably has anxiety" against some very steep competition on the Bad Takes front.

I was thinking about why that seemed a kind of tediously predictable choice even though I agree that the take is wrong, and realized that while I do disagree with the shy Darcy interpretation and I particularly disagree with the specific formulation where he is never proud at all, it ultimately feels to me like a failure of nuance rather than just completely wrongheaded like some of the others. And this is probably my fundamental difference with a lot of Darcy takes I see!

In my opinion, a character who is introverted and who feels awkward in various social situations and who doesn't like common social activities and who has to work himself up to talking to his crush and who is repeatedly suggested to behave very differently in contexts where he's more comfortable being interpreted as shy and anxious is not that big of a leap.

Yes, it's important that he is actually fundamentally confident and haughty, that he makes his personal feelings of discomfort other people's problem, and that he thinks he's such a unique and special butterfly that he doesn't need to even put in an effort outside his personal social circle. But it's a misreading that is easy to follow (and long predates the 2005 P&P, as I've mentioned before!).

The additional misreading that a shy and anxious Darcy is also never proud at all is a much more drastic leap, and in my experience, condemnations of shy Darcy interpretations rarely differentiate between "Darcy is shy as well as arrogant" and "Darcy is shy rather than arrogant" as interpretations (although their basic arguments are quite different). But even that as the worst possible misreading of P&P when Darcy is not even the main character is ?????????

I mean, for one alternative (not even the one I voted for!), the idea that Elizabeth is an author avatar Mary Sue seems a far worse misreading of P&P than basically anything to do with Darcy at all. The center piece of the entire novel is Elizabeth's epiphany of self-knowledge about her own shortcomings that do not particularly resemble Austen's at all, but were ethically a concern for her, and she's a complex, interesting character in general whom Austen correctly regarded as a major achievement. Inverting that into Elizabeth as an improbably perfect, reality-warping self-insert is deeply wrong and frankly pretty misogynistic as well.

(ngl though, it's a little funny to see such a blatantly terrible reading of Elizabeth rank so far behind the shy Darcy votes. I've gotten "does anyone actually think/say that?" so many times on my posts about Austen fandom's prioritization of Darcy's character development over Elizabeth's and yet...)

And even just going with the Darcy-centric misreadings, the idea of Darcy as a "bad boy" seems easily the most absolutely wrong take on him. His pride is at least complicated and the finer points can be fairly debated and it's a quality that actually changes somewhat throughout the novel, and you can have discussion over what happened when, whose testimonies should be weighted more, etc. But there is no point at which "bad boy" isn't utterly wrong for him. However, there's definitely a tendency in some wings of the fandom to find the idea of Darcy being misread too favorably more objectionable than him being read too unfavorably, regardless of the particulars, so it's not a surprise.

I suppose you could argue about what "worst" means in the context of variously bad interpretations. Like, is an interpretation that is about a fairly trivial aspect of the book but extremely wrong about it "worse" than an interpretation that is pretty bad but at least comprehensibly so about something very important?

[anobsessedchocolatechip]

Okay Christine Daae is THE MOST UNJUSTIFIABLY OVERHATED CHARACTER IN MUSICAL HISTORY. THERE I SAID IT.

This VERY YOUNG WOMAN somewhere from 15-22 lost her father, the only person she ever had, at a young age and found her way of expressing grief through music. a MUCH OLDER MAN (we are not going to deny this fact please) saw her and decided to take advantage of that grief in order for her to fall in love with him (I know he had his reasons but it STILL HAPPENED) and after she found out how the man manipulated her she still understood why he did it, even after he KILLED PEOPLE she saw that he just wanted her love, and even after he threatened to KILL HER AND HER FIANCÉE for EXISTING (“now let it be war upon you both”) she was VERY smart and knew how to break the murderous trance that Erik was in, by showing him the one thing she knew he needed, compassion. She has the unique ability to see good in people when it’s not visible to anyone else, even after it seems like they’re past the point of ever being good again. That’s some LUKE SKYWALKER SHIT. She is literally a HEROINE who does not let anyone’s shit get to her, not raouls dumbass plan, not Erik’s anger. She wants to SING HER SONGS and she WILL, DAMN IT. Yes she’s naive sometimes but what did you want?? Her to be perfect?? Then you’d just call her a Mary Sue. Also she was a GRIEF STRICKEN YOUNG GIRL WITH FAITH IN THE WORLD OF COURSE SHE’D BELIEVE A NICE VOICE TEACHING HER TO SING AND BELIEVE IN HERSELF.

Christine Daae is a SMART, BRAVE, EMPATHETIC, ABSOLUTELY AMAZING CHARACTER AND IF I SEE ONE MORE PERSON BLAMING HER FOR *ANYTHING* THAT HAPPENED TO HER I AM GOING TO EXPLODE.

(Disclaimer: this is not an anti erik or anti raoul post, this is a PRO CHRISTINE DAAE POST) (GOD I LOVE HER)

Edit: Jesus some of you guys saw “this is not an anti Erik post” and said this sign can’t stop me because I can’t read 😇😍

Also if you hate Christine and feel the need to make that clear in the comments it will be deleted because this is a Christine positive blog and I will not allow mean people in my little corner of the internet where I share my little opinion with some cool little people who agree with it ❤️ shout out to all the people out there who disagree but didn’t feel the need to curse me out in the comments, I see you and appreciate you 😌

[olderthannetfic]

DWRP is more active than regular fandom DreamWidth, but it's full of people who are anti-queer in the weirdest ways. They're queer, but they use words like "transtrender" and "fujoshit" and "asexies". They hate how prominent slash is in DWRP but bash people who play female characters as playing self-inserts/playing Mary Sues and decry female characters who have sex as "cock-hops". Playing a lesbian or bi woman is equated to being a 40 year old guy who jerks it to lesbian porn and reveals "neckbeard qualities", even if you're an out lesbian yourself. NB people are regularly mocked on both Plurk and in anon communities as "thembys" and "genderspecials".

DWRP has also slowed down hugely in the last 5 years, with many major games closing and most new games not lasting half a year. I once accidentally started wank when I said I don't consider someone who only replies to 2 comments or less a month a roleplayer, and people rushed in to argue that we're all just too busy to reply to more than that many comments and the only way you have more time than that is if you're a NEET. Play non-white non-anime characters and you're a SJW trying too hard to be "woke". Autistic is used as an insult fairly often.

Which is another facet of DWRP to consider: the weird hatred of other DWRPers everyone in DWRP has. You're a NEET, a neckbeard, a basement dweller, a wage cuck, a fast food cuck, etc. The anon gossip communities get way, way more activity per day than any of the actual game communities do. Gossip about people regularly runs dry, so instead discussion is rehashed of people who were subjects of previous wank/gossip, sometimes including people who played during the LJ era and never played on DreamWidth because they left when the mass migration to DW happened. I have seen people get accused of being another player who was the subject of wank returning for having the same given name as someone who was the subject of wank circa 2006. People are that level of desperate to get some excitement going among their small circle of friends who want there to be A Big Deal (TM) of some kind going on.

Fandom DW is far from perfect but I would highly recommend, even if you're bored, sticking to it and not DWRP. RP on there is a much more conservative (but identifying as "centrist", for some reason) environment and if you're reading this blog, my guess is you don't think trans headcanons are the work of transtrenders woke-ifying fandom and it's not gross neckbeard behavior for a lesbian to write a lesbian character. If so, this is definitely not your scene.

Activity is not the same thing as a fandom place being good.

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[cheezekennith]

So uhhhhhh...welcome to my stupid blog!!!!

And i have a list of my ocs to you :)

GUM1

Jaden

K4RM4

Sam (my FNAF oc, and she is a human btw)

Hell madness (my first utau oc that is a Mary sue and a concept(

Akane (my toh/the owl house oc)

Medicine (my 2nd FNAF oc and she is an animatronic)

Willow (my welcome home parody oc)

Ludwig (my welcome home oc)

Yume-loid (my first utau oc)

Charolette

Henry (my fourth fnaf oc that is a carrion crow)

Jerry (my third fnaf oc that is saw whet owl)

Phoenix (my fifth fnaf oc that is a great gray owl)

Bobby (my sixth fnaf oc and is a tanuki)

Ella (my seventh fnaf oc and is a fairy)

Heres my shitty info of me :

my name is ??? Or eli

my birthday is august 24

im a filipino

i am half catholic and christian

I do speak filipino a little bit but speaking english is kinda easy for me

my race is half filipino, half chinese and spainish

im from the philippines

my zodiac and chinese zodiac is virgo and rabbit

im a female

my height is 5'3 tall

and im a multifandom artist

and i am straight and pansexual (yes I have a girlfriend and a boyfriend)

And also I have mild autism

I support LGBTQIA+

stuff i like :

fnaf

dawko

vocaloid and utauloid drawing

making utau covers

undertale/deltarune

kirby

splatoon

ghost and pals

owls

animal crossing

DNI if :

N3cr0ph1l3s

proshippers

p3d0ph1l3s

z00ph1l3s

NSFW

NSFW watchers (cuz i really hate them and they are really gross)

Racist

Transphobic

Homophobic

Lgbtqphobic

p0rn blog

Anti-christian

Muslim-phobic

Naz1$

Dawko haters

Touhou hater

Anti-LGBTQ+ and Anti-LGBTQAI+

Ghost and pals hater

art tracer and art stealer

Goanimate/vyond fan (the uttp ones not the regular ones)

Frans fans (plus do you know sans is older than frisk and also they are a child, that is Pro-Shipping and also pedophilia)

Vore and tickle, and inflation, kaa hypothesis, and DeviantArt k¡nk/F3t¡$h enjoyer

China-supporter

Russia-supporter

K¡nk/F3t¡$h blog

S3x¡$t

SSSniperwolf stan

YOU ARE FUCKING OUT OF THIS BLOG!

Fandoms im not interested (but if you like this fandoms i will respect your opinion) :

barney and friends

marvel

fortnite

goanimate/vyond

disney (a little)

M3G4N

Spongebob

Ok Ko lets be heroes

Gacha life

Sonic

Fandoms im up into :

dawko(youtube)/darkest desire

utauloid and vocaloid

fnaf

kirby

splatoon 1,2 and 3

ghost and pals

animal crossing

sander sides

the owl house

amphibia

Some fandoms I'm gonna get interested now :

Welcome home

Jacksepticeye

Markiplier

FPE or fundamental paper education

Touhou (I just took a break from it but I rarely post)

Fandoms/commnities i left :

Goanimate

Hazbin hotel

Helluva boss

Eddsworld

But some fandoms that I'm not interested in but I created an au :

Tf2

but please do not block me but warning my post contains⚠

Blood

and swearing

and bleeding

and only minors are in this blog but...... no 17+ accounts allowed cuz its disgusting but if your a 17+ account i will report you

Art trade : closed (but no fetish and nsfw because i hate it)

And plus I have bad spelling tho💀

And also I'm a dawktrap simp cuz ye cuz I like this dude cuz idk I'm simping on him.... *Dies of cringe*

Qna

Q1: (🇵🇭) : tagalog ka?/(🇺🇲) : you speak tegalog?

A : unfortunately i cant but i rarely speak filipino or tagalog, im still learning how to speak filipino cuz i havent spoken filipino since during the pandemic i still understand tagalog. and the fact english is my first language and filipino is my second language.

Q2 : how old are you?

A : no but my age is a minor

Main account : @cheezekennith

Alt account : @cheezeyidiot-1000

Putting *character* in places blog : @putting-oliver-in-places

My multifandom ask blog :

@ask-the-simmons-crew

My fpe au blog :

@ask-the-ffe-cast (which is formerly a putting *character* in places blog)

credit to @sweetpeauserboxes, @oligoweee and i dont the ghost and pals one this pinned post was inspired by @eminsunnytoons123

[cousinshipper]

hii i saw a post you made a month ago about how selfshipping was a proship thing originally and I’m very curious about the history of it in that regard if you are so inclined to share!! no worries if you don’t wanna answer :]

yeah yeah no problem!! :0c so selfshipping was originally made by proshippers (as well as fandom itself, tons of earlier online spaces, etc) on tumblr in the early/mid 2010s with OC/SI x canon and it used to be seen as like this hobby/roleplaying type thing where people would just post positivity about their F/Os and how much they loved them, as well as make OCs and S/Is to go with them !! it was super creative and innovative at the time

it was totally fine until antis started discourse about age gap shipping and shipping with villains (and also mary sues which tells you how long ago this was), typical anti stuff, and then selfshipping became a proship friendly space because antis hated it so much . but then antis started to self ship and like take over the community basically 😭 so now we just have constant discourse in a community that was originally supposed to just be about loving our F/Os together

after the porn ban & anti raids a lot of older selfshipping blogs got deleted/deactivated or moved over to twitter

[luna-rainbow]

(Source)

So I just read an anti-Peggy meta on a Chinese blog which I can't verify (and I'm not sure whether any English comics readers have summarised these), but basically Peggy is a Frankenstein of all three of Steve, Bucky and Sharon's characteristics and storylines but without truly reflecting their values, which is why her characterisation is a mess.

Her character background is taken mostly from Sharon: "secret agent, kickass, independent, self-assured". Sharon was the original female Cap America.

Stuff her character took from Bucky (I have no way of verifying this but this seems like a lot more than I expected, also this is translated back from Chinese so there's going to be differences to the original words): (Source)

Peggy walking in on Steve/Lorraine -> Bucky walks in after a French spy forced a kiss on Steve, Bucky apologises while Steve goes all flustered and runs off, "You don't believe in me!"

Steve and Peggy's talk before diving into the ocean -> all of Steve's thoughts pre-dive was about Bucky, "Bucky's figure is like a windswept rock, carved into my mind."

Steve thinking about the date with Peggy after waking up -> the first thing Steve says upon waking is Bucky, and he then searches the world for Bucky

Steve staying in SHIELD because Peggy found it -> Steve stayed in SHIELD because one of the founding members looked like Bucky

Steve carrying Peggy's photo around -> after waking, Steve got some of his belongings back, but along with it Bucky's uniform and photo, which he kept with him everywhere. He'd often take out Bucky's photo and caress it and weep.

Steve seeing Peggy in Wanda's illusion -> Steve always sees Bucky in his dreams

Steve's "dance" promise with Peggy -> Steve and Bucky's Grand Canyon promise, and Steve went there by himself to draw Bucky's picture, pretending they came together.

Steve going back to the past to be with Peggy -> Steve went back to the past to find Bucky, but when he did Bucky died, and the Bucky in his own world disappeared too. When the SHIELD director who looked like Bucky contacted Steve, in a moment of confusion, he agreed and returned to the present.

The "no, you move" words was a climatic scene for Steve in the comics, but was taken from Steve and given to Peggy (via Sharon). As we've discussed elsewhere, this never worked because we have not, demonstrably, ever seen Peggy plant herself in the face of overwhelming pressure and refuse to compromise on something.

I really like this next bit, so I'm going to translate it word for word:

You think it's a tragic love, but it was stolen from Cap and Bucky's relationship. That is Captain's "right partner", that's his insurmountable love from WW2, his 65 years of pining, the existence that he can neither let go nor speak about, he's the quiet grief in his dark nights, he's the exhilaration of their reunion, he's the heartbreak in his every almost-found but repeated disappointments, he's his exhausting search. And someone stole everything from the original, except the suffering.

And I think that's my biggest issue with this character, because she's been written as a Mary-Sue of sorts, with a whole bunch of retroactively added privilege -- which, I dunno, maybe made her feel more appealing to some of the audience, but widened the gap between her and Steve. Steve, who has not lived amongst privilege, and whose whole being is around not letting privileged folks take advantage of others -- against her, a highly privileged woman, who used that privilege to gain more privileges, who then used it to take advantage of others. They are so diametrically opposed in their motivations that I just can't see them working out without either of them breaking character.

Apparently in House of M, she and Steve married, but she could not fathom why Steve continued to oppose unfair policies from the government. Steve lamented only Bucky understood him, but Bucky died during a mission, and Steve stepped down from Cap and divorced Peggy. At the end, an aged Steve walks beneath the streetlights, mourning the words Bucky once said to him. This is a much more likely outcome for their relationship if both remained in character, than whatever EG was.

[shozmonthefairy]

I want an epic comeback from me, well I can make it. There was ton of changes since my last post so yes... I need to explain a lot I guess.. Actually I moved to telegram that's why you didn't see me posting for soo long time.. My mistake I didn't warn you but that's the whole me.

Actually here's some most recent artworks I made with BTF AU, so have fun.

First, Anti-Juandissimo is now Daffodil cause of Russian joke with his name, so yeah also look at his new tattoos, macho in his nature beauty.

Here's refs of Anti-Fairy gang I made cause they have a big role in the storyline, and they did some really bad things also, but which ones I'll tell you soon.

Sandie is an Anti-Fairy queen cause they did a really dirty murder to finish with Anti-Cosmos monarchy and made a new Royal Family instead. That's the biggest change about them I made.

BTF poster because you shouldn't forget who's actually made all the stuff that happens. Shozmon didn't change at all, cause he's a simple design character, he doesn't need to be somehow changed, at least some character moments, but it's a formality. Also Juniper is here, he got one small change its a deadly wenom that elfs base in their teeth now, yes I really love look at biology while making this headcanons.

Nitro North still a bastard, just with some small changes in design and maybe his abilities. He still edgy, but every foot story need an edgy Mary Sue villain.

Actually guess who's my favorite character in BTF... Hard right?

Welp Daffodil went so good so I just can't stop drawing only him from his weird side cause this man deserved so, really.

If you want subscribe, if there will be more than 20 people this blog will live like it was before.

[coulsonlives]

This is why antis having Hannibal stuff all over their blogs will never not be funny to me.

Do antis know that Brian Fuller, the maker of their fave show about abusive characters, is against censorship? Do they choose to ignore that, dropping their fabricated 'outrage' only when it's convenient for them because they care more about watching a show than, contrary to what they say, 'helping abuse victims', or 'standing up to fiction that romanticizes abuse''? Which Hannibal clearly does?

Maybe some of them will say, 'well, I can separate the creator from the show!!' to justify their hypocrisy. But if that's the case, why the fuck can't they also separate indie creators/writers/artists from their creations?

It's hypocrisy all the way up.

[lean-mean-demon-genevieve]

Hello, I've recently started reading your blog and am enjoying it so far. I'm curious on your thoughts about a few things. What is your overall opinion on Jared? I've been noticing lately that Jared has been looking more miserable lately and looks a good bit thinner than he did a couple years ago. I also noticed his hair doesn't look as soft and shiny as it used to.

I watched the Mens Health video of an interview with him on what he eats and his workout routine. I noticed there was relatively little protein outside of him mentioning chicken, cheese and sometimes eggs and bacon. I also recall him mentioning he doesn't really eat carbs either. Do you think Gen is perhaps trying to control his diet and that it's possibly impacting his health mentally and physically? I know of people who do keto right and are healthy but I'm wondering if Jared is really doing that right, especially with what I've noticed and also tends to get sick a lot. I'm also wondering why he had to use a hyperbaric chamber to get more oxygen to his brain at one point.

Also, I saw a post of yours where you mentioned your first disdain of Gen is much stronger than it is towards Danneel. Would you be kind enough to tell me why you hate Gen a lot more than Danneel?

Thank you for your time in reading and hopefully answering this all.

Oh man, I’ve been super busy for the past several weeks, then sick, and haven’t gotten around to responding to asks in any particular order. But I’ve also been hesitant to touch this one because anyone that comes anywhere close to Jared critical content is immediately chased with pitchforks around here. It is so divided and therefore people are defending their faves to the death. Especially since Prequelgate, Jared, and thus Gen, are the current Prom King and Queen in the areas of fandom I most often see. And let me be clear that I’m not a Heller nor am I anti-Jared but I’m just also not a stan…of anyone. Honestly, I’m an “eat the rich” leftist at heart who believes anyone’s choices can be looked at with a critical eye.

(Long post under the cut)

To answer the easy stuff first, I don’t feel as strongly about Danneel because, except for a few appearances here and there, she keeps to herself lately and doesn’t give me a reason to really analyze her behaviors. I wasn’t deep into fandom during the early days of her and Jensen getting married and all of her territorial behaviors, so I don’t bring all of that with me to the present day. I do hate the way Danneel panders to Hellers and I did pick up on some irritating comments in her most recent OTH podcast appearance. The response from a fan question at HonCon about how Jensen can never impress her makes me roll my eyes and is part of their schtick that feels very tired. I don’t think we would be friends, but Danneel doesn’t get under my skin quite the same way Gen does. I think in some ways, Danneel has been more openly who she is (even if it was bitchy and unlikeable) whereas Gen has hidden behind a Mary Sue persona of golly-gee-whiz perfection…and I just respect that authenticity more.

Describing why I am anti Gen is…honestly difficult to summarize. I will link some of my other posts to help. Right away, it’s not because I’m jealous and she gets to be married to Jared. Overall, it lies in all the inconsistencies and hypocrisies which, honestly, I wouldn’t even be aware of if she wasn’t so set on proving her worth to herself by building a platform to manipulate her fans with sales pitches. She preaches sustainability while also jet-setting constantly. And she’s more of a flip-flopper than a preacher, so understanding what she even stands for is difficult. She wants to sell you 6 different supplements for the almighty gut health while also being seen drinking alcohol regularly. And when she laments about being stressed I lose my entire mind because most of us could only dream of having her version of stress. In one of her most recent IG story ads she complained that 2 trips out of the country (and away from her children) were just SO HARD to deal with! To me, instead of the relatable vibe she’s going for, she regularly comes off as entirely ungrateful and unaware of all of her privileges.

When I look at Gen, don’t see the same “goofy, light-hearted mom who is altruistically trying gosh darn hard to save the world with recycling and kindness” that her fans see. I see an uptight yet insecure grifter who skates by in this fandom by doing the bare minimum while being praised like a saint. And I think that it is her connection to Jared that affords her all the fandom grace. When people still refer to this grown man as one of their “boys” and liken him to “literal sunshine,” puppies, and sunflowers…well, imagine the positive assumptions we make about a partner that person chooses.

(I hate referring to either J as a boy, don’t come for me…and I’ve seen Jensen receiving the same stanning that also makes me gag lol)

While I hope Jared is not struggling with any other underlying health issue, his frame has appeared to change in recent years. But I’m definitely not here to say that this is due to Gen “controlling” him in any way. I do think Gen has/has had her own issues with eating (she admitted to having history of an eating disorder in a podcast once) and excessive exercise, but Jared is a grown man who makes his own decisions. Jared himself has alluded to insecurities in his body image over the years, praised what I would call disordered eating practices like fasting, and his bulked up frame as Soulless Sam was suspected of having anabolic help at the time. I do think he dabbles in manipulating diet and exercise in different ways like every one else in The Biz and I think he has a naturally lanky frame. So if he doesn’t want to work out constantly in order to stay swole, then I fully respect that. There is also the issue of his knee that no doubt impacts his capabilities as well.

As for the hyperbaric chamber (mentioned during Jared’s appearance on the Inside of You podcast on 5/24/22): he didn’t need it and the evidence that it even fixes anything just isn’t there. That doctor is a known quack, and he sucked Jared right in. At these clinics they take specialized (and not widely accepted in the field of actual neuroscience) scans of your brain and present you with scary results in order to sell these expensive chambers and their own supplements. It’s a racket. Now, how did he find his way to an Amen Clinic in Costa Mesa, CA? I really couldn’t tell you, but it does sound like the shifty, woo woo alternative medicine that Gen has also been pursuing for her “brain fog.” But then again, his supposed buddy and co-star Keegan Allen is also a health and wellness wackadoo, and we’ve seen Jared get sucked in by the likes of that young lady with the boutique IV drip clinic too. Jared has also shouted out Joe Rogan multiple times. He’s got multiple influences.

If Gen and/or Jared is concerned about their cognitive functioning, as a person with connection to the world of eating disorders, my opinion is that they invest in less oxygen chambers and instead at least consider more carbohydrates and overall calories. You’d be amazed at how much less foggy your brain feels when it’s properly nourished. And no, I’m not diagnosing anyone here, but I am saying that people with access to these expensive specialists are sometimes overlooking an answer that is right in front of their faces simply because eating a wider variety of nutrients would betray their brand. And sometimes people are scared to eat more when they can no longer workout like they use to and have an image to maintain.

[disastercit]

me when i started an oc blog in 2019: i dont wanna tag my oc posts as camp camp thats so embarrassing :( what if they get annoyed or think im cringe for having an oc :((( if i give my oc too complicated of a backstory it's a mary sue/main character syndrome/insert anti-fun buzzword here :(((

me now: *posts a six paragraph essay about my oc that explains basically everything about him to the main fandom tag and leaves*

[54bpm]

Thoughts on Maintaining Old Characters.

Don't feel like you gotta read this, I know I don't have any long term OC fans who have kept track of what I'm doing with my guys. It's more just stuff that's been rattling in my head and I feel like would be nice to jot down so people who do decide to trawl through my old art tags can see why my characters have changed in the ways they have.

I've been making characters since I was 11, which as of this post, means that some of my earliest characters are 13 years old. I still even have some of them. This blog has stuff dating back to when I was 13 (I joined tumblr a week or so after my birthday on a now deleted blog, before that I was on deviantArt and roleplaying forums almost exclusively)

I was exposed to the idea of self-inserts and mary sues (and that they were bad and nobody liked them) extremely early on, so I almost immediately swung in the opposite direction, people pleaser that I was. This first generation of characters would set up three types that I would end up remaking over and over with different coats of paint.

Prickly girls

Just so many prickly tsundere girls. Often short. Often bullies to the boys they liked. They were girlbosses who could win any fight but they also were bullied by the normies for being so weird and being outsiders. Pretty but still only liked by the one nervous guy they had chosen. The archetypal anti-sue, just a gaggle of Ebonys.

2. Tragic girls

These girls were usually innocent and silly and fun, but also haunted and sad. They were traumatized in very childishly "and then their whole family died in front of them :,,( " ways. They were never allowed to address the trauma, and everyone around them always had to baby them. Yeah, I was making those types LOL. Nooo I refuse to make progress on my healing bc then I won't have any character left!!!

3. Soft boys

I was still pretty married to the idea that I had to like boys, so the boys I made were all ones I thought I would like. This led to just a fleet of androgynous boys who wept and blushed often. I also rolled with a crowd of older tween girls who were deep in the Yaoi haze, and while I found they way they talked about the couples uncomfortable and objectionable even then, I still did my share in pumping out generic ukes to go with their bog standard semes.

I made characters in these three frameworks for like, a few years. Even after the main forum I had camped on died and I started making characters with school friends. I wasn't really pushed to change anything until a while into using tumblr.

I don't know if anyone else remembers this period of time, I had to have been like 14-15, but there was this attitude shift all the sudden that boiled down to how if you didn't have a diverse set of characters, you were a bad person.

Now I'm going to say immediately that I do think its good to have a diverse set of OCs! It's good to learn about people from other cultures and backgrounds and to put yourself in their shoes! It's also good to learn about all the ways humans can look and how charming and beautiful and different we can be!

The issue with the way this was pushed way back in pre-dashcon tumblr was that it wasn't about thoughtful diversity and exploring others lived experiences. It was about making sure you looked like you weren't racist to the other 14 year old white girls who still hadn't unpacked what watching South Park had done to their brains and were actively sending death threats to Lucy Liu for being on a Sherlock Holmes show that wasn't the one with the white men who might kiss any day now guys. When you see people mocking the Ultimate SJW Tumblr Character (you know what I'm talking about, the just caricature level mocking of disabled queer people) it's from this era of posts.

I saw this and I saw people dumping buckets of anon hate and bullying on just anyone who caught the mobs fancy and I very ungracefully slapped new ethnicities on a chunk of my characters. And it took me an embarrassingly long time to look at some of the choices I made and to go "Yikes!" Almost no one was an offensive stereotype or anything, but I definitely had picked characters that lined up with tropes without realizing it. (Important note, I did have some characters that were disrespectful to Roma culture, and an atrocious belly dancer character. I've completely gotten rid of them and I do recognize now how they were disrespectful and played into racist stereotypes.)

And this is still something I'm working on monitoring and fixing in my characters. I'm not gonna lie and say I've become the ultimate anti-racist. I'm white, I've only lived in majority white areas, specifically Oregon which has an extensively anti-black history as well as a lot of issues with orientalism, and I grew up on early 2000s media and all the baggage that came with that.

Speaking of 2000s baggage and weird yaoi culture. I am sorry mlm for the atrocities of boys I have made. It was that classic case of "I'm supposed to like boys so I'm going to make boys who are basically girls and then pair them with each other so I never actually have to deal with the anxiety of them actually being attracted to me." I only had like two characters I would say felt like they could genuinely be gay men. It was only after I was like a year deep into accepting that I was genuinely a lesbian that I looked at my gaggle of boys and went "oh shit, these are all lesbians, these are lesbian dynamics." Which like, yes I don't feel great that I used mlm pairs for my own character development. I know it's not uncommon, especially if a lot of your exposure to the idea of being queer was through tumblr, but it's still not great.

All this to say: I love my characters and I want to be more thoughtful with them. Most of my characters are 5+ years old and they all just need an overhaul. I'm taking most of them back to their prompts and rebuilding from there, I'm also turning a majority of them into lesbians. I want to explore all the fun wlw dynamics I never got to play with growing up. And girls are just more fun to design for me! Sorry!

As I put out new refs you may notice some characters look varying levels of different, some have been replaced with new characters taking over their roles, and some are gone completely. You are always welcome to reach out to ask me about any choices I've made and any concerns you have about the things I've made, past or present. And if you take anything from this it's that you should always be vigilant about how unconscious biases can slip into your creative works.

Thanks for getting to the end of this long ass post, it's one I've been thinking about for a while but had to take some time to put to paper. It's important to me to keep up my old art posts to see my growth as an artist and a person, but I also don't want to act like I still agree with every character choice I've made in the last 13 years.

I hope you can support me as I continue to grow as a person!

[crayolacolor]

hello!! made this pinned post to replace my about me because i doubt anyone ever read it, and tbh i put a bit too much information in there lol.

note: my name, age, pronouns etc are in my blog description!! this is just some extra info that would have normally been in my about me!

current hyperfixation: omori other fandoms i may post about: dragon ball z, infinity train, undertale / deltarune, ib, avatar: the last airbender, warriors, wings of fire, the owl house, hollow knight, gravity falls, super paper roblox.

feel free to ask me for: - things i need tagged [ if i follow you ] - my discord [ if i follow you and we’ve talked some ] - my full list of fandoms, though i do have pretty much all the ones i might post about listed now.

things you should probably know:

- what i blog about fandom wise will switch frequently with my hyperfixations!

- my type is villains with tragic backstories, redeemed or not. i will post about them like any other character i enjoy. this does not mean i condone their actions. i tag characters’ names most times when i blog about them but if you need a more specific tag please let me know!

- i’m vehemently anti-cringe culture. i do not care if the kids (or adults tbh) are making mary sues and self inserts and 2016 esque undertale aus. as long as they’re not harming anyone, i think shaming them for it is harmful and stupid.

- fandom drama isn’t my cup of tea, i may rarely post about something that’s going around that i have an opinion on, but it is never an invitation to drag me into an argument. please don’t drag me into it if i don’t initiate the conversation.

and that’s pretty much all!! thanks so much for reading if you did, and if you decided to follow me, thank you again! <3

if you’d like to support me:

i’m selling some of my physical art on ko-fi, here! -- > https://ko-fi.com/s/f9720fff8e

[hislittleraincloud]

"rpf is honestly no different than just thinking about someone in a scenario. me thinking about going on dates with a friend and being close with them is no different than writing about those same things. the only difference is that one is in visible words"

It's a HUGE and ESSENTIAL fucking difference.

It is one thing to think about a celebrity, or even write your fantasies in your own private blog (like we all did back in the day when we had paper diaries). It's a whole different story when we live in an age of social media and connectivity where said celebrity, their friends, and their family can see/read/access it.

But people like you, @buni-gutz , don't care about that because you're simply and purely objectifying the celebrity. They don't exist as a human with agency or their own desires and actions in the world to you. They exist as an ideal — your ideal, patched together by their artistic works and media presence — that you wanna fuck ten times through Sunday AND you have this weird exhibitionist desire that compels you to take the massive chance that said celebrity will see/read your fantasies about them. What you would hope to accomplish by that is something beyond anyone's comprehension, but that is the absolute risk you take when you publish RPF or self-insert/Mary Sue RPF, etc. The y/n-ers are guilty of the same, perpetuating a genre that spoonfeeds storyline instead of stimulating the imagination of the reader to be able to empathize with characters better, but that's another post altogether.

So, I agree with 🍒☕556. RPF is probably the only thing you can consider me ✨anti✨, but I'm not going to say that you can't write it. I just don't think it should be shared where it's accessible to these peoples' friends/siblings/parents/etc. That's a problem in our age of connectivity. I really cannot imagine the kind of horrible razzing/teasing that Jenna Ortega could be getting from anyone in her life about the Pacific Ocean's worth of fluids spilt on her fics alone.

And yes, not supporting RPF being published could be construed as a form of censorship, and me being anti-censorship could be construed as hypocritical (though as also stated, I do support political RPF, since politicians are there for us to create wicked and wild satire about...it's been done for centuries). Howeverrrrrrr...even under our great liberties here in the U.S. with our First Amendment right to free speech, we're not entirely free to say just anything, especially about a person or entity. You can't make shit up about them. You can't present a photo of them and say it's something it's not (the photo manipulated candid shots of Ortega 'holding hands' with Emma Myers at Chappell Roan is an example of this; the Photoshopped "that is a homosexual" Instagram exchange between 'Jenna' and 'Emma' is another). You can be sued for defamation, because defamatory speech isn't protected by 1A; neither is presenting someone in a false light. If she had the will to do so, Ortega could pick out one or a handful of writers to send Cease & Desist letters to (under the threat of lawsuit); we know she more than likely won't, but it is an option for her OR any other celebrity to do so, here in the U.S.

And because it is an option clearly tells you which side of the law you're treading on.

It's not the same with fiction about the fictional characters. Fictional characters can't sue you. Their family members can't tease or judge them because they too are fictional characters. They don't exist. Everything they do doesn't exist. They're impressions (fan fic/art) of impressions (actors'/writers' works). They are true stories of the imagination, and sometimes they're just stories, some meant to elicit thought, shock, or visceral reaction, not meant to hold a standard or moral lesson. That's the difference that the current fresh-facers in fandom need to understand.

That includes the people like Smokey above who have the gall to even write the phrase "stories that are harmful across the board". The only stories that are potentially harmful and disruptive to real people are RPFs for the reasons I just stated, but generally we should not be striving to dictate to authors that their fictional pairings (and what they do with each other) are morally objectionable. In most cases, the authors already know that. "Harm" is entirely subjective when it comes to fiction.

The only ones who have complained about this in the past have been conservatives...but newbs to fandom culture are proving horseshoe theory correct.

no but how much audacity and sheer entitlement do you have to have to tell people they need to stop posting their darkfic and porn fic and any other fic you don’t like to ao3 so you can have a safe space when ao3 was literally created as a safe space for writers to post their content without fear of it being randomly wiped out by pro-censorship assholes with an agenda like what has happened to plenty of other fic archives before?

“but a lot of us see ao3 as a safe space to get away from that kind of nasty content” - lol you can see the middle of a busy interstate as a safe space all you want too but that doesn’t mean that you get to walk into the road and scream at all the cars going by that they’re the ones infringing on your safe space either

ao3 is not, has never been, and will never be a site meant for nothing but children’s stories. you can “see it” like that as much as you want but there’s a difference between fiction and reality and that view of what ao3 is like is as fictional as the stories posted on it.

[fishliike]

💭،͟ 𝓘𝐧𝐟𝐢𝐧𝐢𝐭𝐲

                  about the admin

⭑ i use he/fish pronouns. i am a minor

⭑ i am transmasc and hispanic (puerto rico)

⭑ i ' m a tad blunt , though i mean well

⭑ this is not my main blog . if you ' d like my main , dm me

⭑ my go - to music genre is punk

                    dni/f

⭑ transphobic , homophobic

⭑ racist , abelist , zionist , sexist

⭑ proshipper

⭑ pro - life / anti - abortion

⭑ interest shitter

⭑ anti - furry

                    rp rules

⭑  no smut . i ' m a minor , you ' re a stranger

⭑ descriptive rp only . that means im looking for paragraphs and quotation marks . none of this : * smiles * hello

⭑ limit your use of oc ' s . oc ' s bore me , especially if they ' re trying to get romantic with a cannon character

⭑ no proshipping

⭑ i ' ll do a romance rp , but it must be strictly SFW .

⭑ no matter what character you're roleplaying as , do not make them a mary sue or gary sue ( op char. ). i don ' t care if your character is muzan or tanjirou - op characters are annoying asf

⭑ i don ' t rp au 's or multiverses

⭑ please don ' t control my character ' s actions ... it ' s so lame

⭑ where to rp with me ? I prefer if you do it through my " ask " button , or tag me in a post with your rp starter .

⭑ you don ' t even have to rp with me ! just ask me something , give me a scenario , etc - and i ' ll respond in character

[fleeglefazbeagle]

Welcome to my blog! :3

Do you like videogames, cartoons, anime or artwork of ANY genre as long as it's made by a human? You've come to the right place! I draw whatever tickles me fancy, shitpost, rant, chill(mostly).💕✨

Above here is my self insert Sona(description in alt).⬆️

(I used the term "Mary Sue" in a silly way, no ill will whatsoever./srs)

I don't have a specific schedule, I just post whenever I like.

This here is what I am!(It's already said in my bio but whatever.)⬇️

(Blinkies by @dragonpride17 .)

I'm also a platonic selfshipper.

Strictly platonic f/os(in other words, we're STRICTLY friends, don't be weird):

Secret History Tails(Mashed), Glamrock Freddy(FNAF), Fizzarolli(Helluva Boss), Husk(Hazbin Hotel), Funtime Freddy(FNAF), Luigi(Super Mario), Goofy(Disney), Oswald the Lucky Rabbit(Disney), Big the Cat(Sonic), Fleegle the Beagle(The Banana Splits), Drooper the Lion(The Banana Splits), Mangle(FNAF), Circus Baby(FNAF), Mimzy(Hazbin Hotel), Banny(The Walten Files), DogDay(Poppy Playtime), CraftyCorn(Poppy Playtime), Spinel(Steven Universe).

Queerplatonic f/os(I guess):

Mortality(Boozoo's Ghosts/The Walten Files) and Pumpkin Rabbit(The Mysterious House/The Walten Files).

Don't roast me!>:[

The stuff I'm into is FNAF, Sonic, FNF, The Banana Splits(show and movie,), BATIM, Steven Universe(kinda), SML and SMLwiki(kinda), Disney(kinda), Pokémon(kinda), Tim Burton stuff(kinda), Hellaverse stuff, Coraline(kinda), Super Mario, Don Bluth stuff(kinda), The Walten Files, DHMIS, Welcome Home, Pizza Tower, Poppy Playtime, Garten of Banban, MLP(kinda), The Amazing Digital Circus(kinda), Monkey Wrench(kinda), Little Nightmares(kinda) and the Mashed channel(the one with the crazed fox).

DNI if you're:

LGBTQIA+phobic, TERFs, SWERFs, transmeds, syscourse, pro-endo, m-spec lesbians/lesboys(not butch lesbians or he/him lesbians), an IRL gore blog, a SH/ED blog, disrespect people's pronouns(this includes neopronouns), sexist(misogyny and misandry), NSFW(kinks, fetishes, etc.), a zooph1le, a zoosad1st, a pedo(map), ableist, racist, xenophobic, anti-xenogender, anti-objectum, transabled, transrace(not the adoption kind), transage, a fan of Pretty Blood and/or support the creator), a bodyshamer, someone who invalidates trauma, a proshipper, a comshipper, a darkshipper, toxic(in general), a zionist, a nazi(or at least a supporter), pro-cringe culture, believe blackwashing is real(it fucking isn't), anti-therians, anti-furries, anti-semitism, anti-agere/agedre/petre/petdre, use "fatherless"/"parentless" as an insult, say "kys" as a joke(it's a very serious thing), joke about abuse, pedophilia or rape(another serious thing), anti-alterhumans, AI "art" and crypto and NFT bros.

Rules when asking or whatever:

1.Use tone tags(they're REALLY important).

2.No arguing.

3.Be kind to others.

4.No hate speech(you WILL be blocked if I find out.

5.No NSFW(I know I already said this but still).

6.I can only do art trades and if you want to ask about what you want, come to my DMs(ya know, the speech bubble icon).

7.If you want to do an ask involving any of my AUs, go right ahead but remember the rules and stuff.

8. As far as donations go.

My YouTube is here!(It's where my videos are.)⬇️

Also, please support my sister and her work!⬇️

@valkyriephoenix98

Her channel:

[kharmii]

I'm someone who isn't interested in content surrounding OCs. People are free to create them and to whatever with them and good for them but I'm just not interested in them. I once very politely asked some vocal anti to give tags when they share something and they just got pissed at me. Saying that every character be it canon or not is someones OC and I should respect them. This person also constantly screeches about boundaries and all that stuff but apparently it only goes one way. It's okay to ignore someones boundaries if one doesn't think something worthy of tagging.

I dunno. Once again shows hypocrisy at its finest at the side of the antis.

Disgusting content and all that aside: still thinking that I rather hang out with shippers than those snowflake antis who weep when someone is a bit harsher than usual but decide to ignore boundaries if they think they are "pointless"

so far I feel like OC content has always been tagged on your end (if it does show up) so I'm very thankful for that. Also I know you won't give me shit for my opinion. I'm just not interested in some special OC Karen/Kevin who is all the genders and none and wants to fuck the twins or any of that nonsense... as well as all the projection into the depot agents... a-nnoy-ing. But other people are free to like them. I am just not interested.

sorry for the little vent this has been boiling inside of me for a while and I needed to get it out of the system... honestly I'm thankful for your blog and content and even if you're often harsh with your words I think you're a cool and fun person to have around. Aside the rants I also enjoy your in depth character analysis or when you write your opinions on something. It makes me curious and interested even if I'm out of the loop with the franchise! Thank you for your content and I hope you're having a great time!

Do you mean like self-inserts? -Or OCs in general created to be shipped with a popular character? I usually don't pay attention unless I really like them. I can only think of a few off the top of my head. IE: ceciloque and the artist who did something cute with Volo. Neither did ships. One was a protag friends with the Subway Twins, the other hated Volo in a facetious way. I also liked the Generic Protag guy but lost interest in him when he made Gene leave Hisui (also the artist soft blocked me, so I don't show up in the tags).

I could see someone getting annoyed with OCs if they do that thing where they make a Mary Sue OC with a harem of OC partners and who goes around making every single canon character fall for them. The two things that aggravate my OCD are off models and implausible cross overs. Extra points if they cover both. You might have read some of my rants in the past, like the most aggravating one of all is when someone makes the Subway Bosses not twins anymore. IE: What if one was a guy and the other was a unicorn? -Or a dog. -Or a fugly mermaid? -Or a llama that vaguely resembles Arceus? (Had to dig up the original post that started a certain tag).

None of that stuff really bothers me on the general tags because I get why people do it. People want to come up with reasons to keep their interest going, and when content runs out with canon, then AUs keep the character alive for them. It's funny with me personally, I can keep myself occupied posting literally the same thing for years, but of course it's not going to be enough because interests change.

Thought of that today when I queued up yet another fan art of Dabi and Shoto sitting side-by-side eating soba together, and that's the equivalent of a Submas reunion hug in my mind, although with Dabi it might have a darker meaning. He might be lying in his tank barely alive having that thought of eating soba with his brother circulating through his mind in a continuous loop. He's done being mad and wants to think of something happier than dying.

I'm about to be guilty of creating a Geten x OC for my latest fan fiction to keep it going, just because I got stuck on the ending. I needed a female character with a specific ability, and the only person who had said ability was one of the advisors for Team Brown: Support Regiment which will create more content to give Geten and Mr. Compress something to talk about when they are eventually incarcerated in adjacent rooms. I decided to make my OC a sibling to to that unnamed advisor. It's me creating an OC but staying within canon. If I were motivated and adverturous enough to keep the thing going past manga canon ending, I'd still keep it in the MHA universe.

I wouldn't be like, "Let's do My Hero Academia Star Wars! -And make Geten a mermaid pirate and Dabi a succubus werewolf with a double-sided light saber!" That would be the exact sort of shit that would drive me up the wall.