#anti the mary sue blog

[anghraine]

I've been moving and navigating further departmental nonsense etc (my pseudo-dissertation got approved for defending, though! l o l). But it was interesting to see the Worst P&P Takes poll I reblogged accumulating more results and the general tenor of responses in the notes.

I mean, the results are definitely to be expected if you're familiar with the side of Austen fandom doing a lot of the reblogging etc. But still, interesting!

Many Tumblr polls specify that they're asking about personal preferences that may be irrational—favorite/least favorite, coolest/most annoying, or something like that. This one, though, asked for the worst interpretation of P&P, not the most annoying one—and the current leader is "Darcy is never really proud, he's just shy and probably has anxiety" against some very steep competition on the Bad Takes front.

I was thinking about why that seemed a kind of tediously predictable choice even though I agree that the take is wrong, and realized that while I do disagree with the shy Darcy interpretation and I particularly disagree with the specific formulation where he is never proud at all, it ultimately feels to me like a failure of nuance rather than just completely wrongheaded like some of the others. And this is probably my fundamental difference with a lot of Darcy takes I see!

In my opinion, a character who is introverted and who feels awkward in various social situations and who doesn't like common social activities and who has to work himself up to talking to his crush and who is repeatedly suggested to behave very differently in contexts where he's more comfortable being interpreted as shy and anxious is not that big of a leap.

Yes, it's important that he is actually fundamentally confident and haughty, that he makes his personal feelings of discomfort other people's problem, and that he thinks he's such a unique and special butterfly that he doesn't need to even put in an effort outside his personal social circle. But it's a misreading that is easy to follow (and long predates the 2005 P&P, as I've mentioned before!).

The additional misreading that a shy and anxious Darcy is also never proud at all is a much more drastic leap, and in my experience, condemnations of shy Darcy interpretations rarely differentiate between "Darcy is shy as well as arrogant" and "Darcy is shy rather than arrogant" as interpretations (although their basic arguments are quite different). But even that as the worst possible misreading of P&P when Darcy is not even the main character is ?????????

I mean, for one alternative (not even the one I voted for!), the idea that Elizabeth is an author avatar Mary Sue seems a far worse misreading of P&P than basically anything to do with Darcy at all. The center piece of the entire novel is Elizabeth's epiphany of self-knowledge about her own shortcomings that do not particularly resemble Austen's at all, but were ethically a concern for her, and she's a complex, interesting character in general whom Austen correctly regarded as a major achievement. Inverting that into Elizabeth as an improbably perfect, reality-warping self-insert is deeply wrong and frankly pretty misogynistic as well.

(ngl though, it's a little funny to see such a blatantly terrible reading of Elizabeth rank so far behind the shy Darcy votes. I've gotten "does anyone actually think/say that?" so many times on my posts about Austen fandom's prioritization of Darcy's character development over Elizabeth's and yet...)

And even just going with the Darcy-centric misreadings, the idea of Darcy as a "bad boy" seems easily the most absolutely wrong take on him. His pride is at least complicated and the finer points can be fairly debated and it's a quality that actually changes somewhat throughout the novel, and you can have discussion over what happened when, whose testimonies should be weighted more, etc. But there is no point at which "bad boy" isn't utterly wrong for him. However, there's definitely a tendency in some wings of the fandom to find the idea of Darcy being misread too favorably more objectionable than him being read too unfavorably, regardless of the particulars, so it's not a surprise.

I suppose you could argue about what "worst" means in the context of variously bad interpretations. Like, is an interpretation that is about a fairly trivial aspect of the book but extremely wrong about it "worse" than an interpretation that is pretty bad but at least comprehensibly so about something very important?

[anobsessedchocolatechip]

Okay Christine Daae is THE MOST UNJUSTIFIABLY OVERHATED CHARACTER IN MUSICAL HISTORY. THERE I SAID IT.

This VERY YOUNG WOMAN somewhere from 15-22 lost her father, the only person she ever had, at a young age and found her way of expressing grief through music. a MUCH OLDER MAN (we are not going to deny this fact please) saw her and decided to take advantage of that grief in order for her to fall in love with him (I know he had his reasons but it STILL HAPPENED) and after she found out how the man manipulated her she still understood why he did it, even after he KILLED PEOPLE she saw that he just wanted her love, and even after he threatened to KILL HER AND HER FIANCÉE for EXISTING (“now let it be war upon you both”) she was VERY smart and knew how to break the murderous trance that Erik was in, by showing him the one thing she knew he needed, compassion. She has the unique ability to see good in people when it’s not visible to anyone else, even after it seems like they’re past the point of ever being good again. That’s some LUKE SKYWALKER SHIT. She is literally a HEROINE who does not let anyone’s shit get to her, not raouls dumbass plan, not Erik’s anger. She wants to SING HER SONGS and she WILL, DAMN IT. Yes she’s naive sometimes but what did you want?? Her to be perfect?? Then you’d just call her a Mary Sue. Also she was a GRIEF STRICKEN YOUNG GIRL WITH FAITH IN THE WORLD OF COURSE SHE’D BELIEVE A NICE VOICE TEACHING HER TO SING AND BELIEVE IN HERSELF.

Christine Daae is a SMART, BRAVE, EMPATHETIC, ABSOLUTELY AMAZING CHARACTER AND IF I SEE ONE MORE PERSON BLAMING HER FOR *ANYTHING* THAT HAPPENED TO HER I AM GOING TO EXPLODE.

(Disclaimer: this is not an anti erik or anti raoul post, this is a PRO CHRISTINE DAAE POST) (GOD I LOVE HER)

Edit: Jesus some of you guys saw “this is not an anti Erik post” and said this sign can’t stop me because I can’t read 😇😍

Also if you hate Christine and feel the need to make that clear in the comments it will be deleted because this is a Christine positive blog and I will not allow mean people in my little corner of the internet where I share my little opinion with some cool little people who agree with it ❤️ shout out to all the people out there who disagree but didn’t feel the need to curse me out in the comments, I see you and appreciate you 😌

[fleeglefazbeagle]

Welcome to my blog! :3

Do you like videogames, cartoons, anime or artwork of ANY genre as long as it's made by a human? You've come to the right place! I draw whatever tickles me fancy, shitpost, rant, chill(mostly).💕✨

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(I used the term "Mary Sue" in a silly way, no ill will whatsoever./srs)

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This here is what I am!(It's already said in my bio but whatever.)⬇️

(Blinkies by @dragonpride17 .)

I'm also a platonic selfshipper.

Strictly platonic f/os(in other words, we're STRICTLY friends, don't be weird):

Secret History Tails(Mashed), Glamrock Freddy(FNAF), Fizzarolli(Helluva Boss), Husk(Hazbin Hotel), Funtime Freddy(FNAF), Luigi(Super Mario), Goofy(Disney), Oswald the Lucky Rabbit(Disney), Big the Cat(Sonic), Fleegle the Beagle(The Banana Splits), Drooper the Lion(The Banana Splits), Mangle(FNAF), Circus Baby(FNAF), Mimzy(Hazbin Hotel), Banny(The Walten Files), DogDay(Poppy Playtime), CraftyCorn(Poppy Playtime), Spinel(Steven Universe), Gwimbly(Smiling Friends).

Queerplatonic f/os(I guess):

Mortality(Boozoo's Ghosts/The Walten Files) and Pumpkin Rabbit(The Mysterious House/The Walten Files).

Don't roast me!>:[

The stuff I'm into is FNAF, Sonic, FNF, The Banana Splits(show and movie,), BATIM, Steven Universe(kinda), SML and SMLwiki(kinda), Disney(kinda), Pokémon(kinda), Tim Burton stuff(kinda), Hellaverse stuff, Coraline(kinda), Super Mario, Don Bluth stuff(kinda), The Walten Files, DHMIS, Welcome Home, Pizza Tower, Poppy Playtime, Garten of Banban, MLP(kinda), The Amazing Digital Circus(kinda), Monkey Wrench(kinda), Little Nightmares(kinda) and the Mashed channel(the one with the crazed fox).

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[cowboy-heart]

also, i recently gathered all of my favourite poems (by other writers) into a single PDF for myself and decided to share it on my ko-fi!

it’s 106 pages, 62 poems, with an index, and links and credits to all the writers! and it’s free!

it’s a mix of published poets, blog excerpts, and internet poets, covering themes of love, grief, living, butch-femme, LGBT, nature and justice! - full list of contents in read more :)

it’s free since it’s not my own original work, but if you wanna tip for making the PDF then it’s much appreciated!! 🧡

(sidenote: if you/your work has appeared in this and you want it removed or edited, let me know and i’ll do so immediately!)

After The Threesome, They Both Take You Home’ - Sue Hyon Bae

‘Come, And Be My Baby’ - Maya Angelou

‘Witness’ - Crystal Wilkinson

‘lady macbeth-macbeth’ - @two-bees-poetry

‘how to spend an august afternoon in love’ - @cheruib

‘Chocolate Chip Pancakes’ - Caitlyn Siehl

‘The Teapot’ - Robert Bly

‘Little Weirds’ (excerpt) - Jenny Slate

‘Writing Prompts for the Broken-Hearted’ (excerpt) - Eden Robinson

‘Perhaps The World Ends Here’ - Joy Harjo

‘The Serious Downer’ - Jill McDonough

‘Summer Was Forever’ - Chen Chen

‘For Grace, After A Party’ - Frank O’Hara

‘A Vow’ - Wendy Cope

‘Laura, I Want You Pulling Your Hair Back’ - Natalie Dunn

‘Watching you talk on the phone, I consider the empty space around atoms-‘ - Rhiannon McGavin

‘Gram Loves You. Please Call’ - Amy Gotliffe

‘The Quiet World’ - Jeffrey McDaniel

‘the undone cowboy writes to his sweetheart’ - Silas Denver Melvin ( @sweatermuppet )

‘Song of the Anti-Sisyphus’ - Chen Chen

‘RURAL BOYS WATCH THE APOCALYPSE’ - Keaton St. James

‘A Possible Exit’ - Jarrett Moseley

‘poem on my fortieth birthday to my mother who died young’ - Lucille Clifton

‘ANSWERING HER QUESTION’ - Alice White

‘when the one you thought, finally, wouldn’t, does’ - Marty McConnell

‘fourth grader’ (excerpt)

‘Poem’ - Langston Hughes

‘For M’ - Mikko Harvey

‘A Drink of Water’ - Jeffrey Harrison

‘Cold Solace’ - Anna Belle Kaufman

‘Boot Theory’ - Richard Siken

‘Love letter as an autism diagnosis’ - Arden Kowalski

‘Tea’ - Leila Chatti

‘Night Walk’ - Frank Wright

‘Don’t Hesitate’ - Mary Oliver

‘For A Student Who Used AI To Write A Paper’ - Joseph Fasano

‘Rain’ - Raymond Carver

Unnamed/‘who’s afraid of hoverflies?’ - @a-chilleus

‘The Orange’ - Wendy Cope

‘Failing and Flying’ - Jack Gilbert

‘Can’t Get Enough Of My Love’ - Shuyler Peck

‘Invitation’ - Mary Oliver

‘Dead Rat’ - Mervyn Peake

‘Wild Geese’ - Mary Oliver

‘I Imagine The Butch’s Stripper Bar’ - Jill McDonough

‘FEMME SHARK MANIFESTO’ - Leah Lakshmi Piepzna-Samarasinha

Unnamed (fake interview) - @llovely

‘Butch Please: A Letter To Baby Butches’ - Kate

‘ROUND TWO: the body as protest’ - Joelle Taylor

‘ROUND SEVEN: the body as uprising’ - Joelle Taylor

‘Angel’ - Joelle Taylor

‘Catallus 16’

‘15. Fan Letter’ - James Crewes

‘Make Out Sonnet’ - F. Douglas Brown

‘Hey Cowboy’ - Silas Denver Melvin ( @sweatermuppet )

‘Fat Top/Switch’ - Emilia Phillips

‘On a Night of the Full Moon’ - Audre Lorde

‘The Gardens’ - Mary Oliver

‘Want’ - Joan Larkin

‘Social Skills Training’ - Solmaz Sherif

‘Bullet Points’ - Jericho Brown

Unnamed - Marwan Makhoul

[olderthannetfic]

DWRP is more active than regular fandom DreamWidth, but it's full of people who are anti-queer in the weirdest ways. They're queer, but they use words like "transtrender" and "fujoshit" and "asexies". They hate how prominent slash is in DWRP but bash people who play female characters as playing self-inserts/playing Mary Sues and decry female characters who have sex as "cock-hops". Playing a lesbian or bi woman is equated to being a 40 year old guy who jerks it to lesbian porn and reveals "neckbeard qualities", even if you're an out lesbian yourself. NB people are regularly mocked on both Plurk and in anon communities as "thembys" and "genderspecials".

DWRP has also slowed down hugely in the last 5 years, with many major games closing and most new games not lasting half a year. I once accidentally started wank when I said I don't consider someone who only replies to 2 comments or less a month a roleplayer, and people rushed in to argue that we're all just too busy to reply to more than that many comments and the only way you have more time than that is if you're a NEET. Play non-white non-anime characters and you're a SJW trying too hard to be "woke". Autistic is used as an insult fairly often.

Which is another facet of DWRP to consider: the weird hatred of other DWRPers everyone in DWRP has. You're a NEET, a neckbeard, a basement dweller, a wage cuck, a fast food cuck, etc. The anon gossip communities get way, way more activity per day than any of the actual game communities do. Gossip about people regularly runs dry, so instead discussion is rehashed of people who were subjects of previous wank/gossip, sometimes including people who played during the LJ era and never played on DreamWidth because they left when the mass migration to DW happened. I have seen people get accused of being another player who was the subject of wank returning for having the same given name as someone who was the subject of wank circa 2006. People are that level of desperate to get some excitement going among their small circle of friends who want there to be A Big Deal (TM) of some kind going on.

Fandom DW is far from perfect but I would highly recommend, even if you're bored, sticking to it and not DWRP. RP on there is a much more conservative (but identifying as "centrist", for some reason) environment and if you're reading this blog, my guess is you don't think trans headcanons are the work of transtrenders woke-ifying fandom and it's not gross neckbeard behavior for a lesbian to write a lesbian character. If so, this is definitely not your scene.

Activity is not the same thing as a fandom place being good.

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[sonicjustbecause]

And if... (a matter of point of view... maybe?? Not sure, honestly).

To me is jarring seeing how Iizuka describle Shadow (he pratically has only negative traits, no positives, yet he has no weak spots, like an anti Mary-Sue because 'Ultimatehhh'), and how we perceive him from stories and games from the '00s and then from the '20s.

Perhaps, the Shadow that is the closest to Iizuka descriptions is IDW Shadow.

Verbalase youtube

However I remember years ago, when I was in the Dragon Ball fandom, I was reading a blog on Tumbls. It belonged to a Japanese, living in Japan who wrote in a perfect English. So he also liked to follow and read western blogs and forums on Dragon Ball.

What surprised him is how we perceive Vegeta. We describled him with a deep and rich analysis. He as Japanese would describle Vegeta as:

A stern, old fashioned Japanese householder.

Is not wrong, but is not the thing we notice most. We notice that he is proud, that he has inferiority complex, that he loves his family and that he enjoy fighting. And many other things. Perhaps Japaneses don't focus on those traits. They think they are not important.

Partly I considered that as a Japanese, Iizuka might focus on a different angle of the same thing. Or japanese might perceve the very same thing in a total different way than we do.

But I'm not to sure. Iizuka has always been quite inconsistent, he tends to change his mind very often. My issue with him is the fact that after he changed his mind, he totally denies he ever said differently in the past and I'm not blunt here. A lot of people have issues with him.

I prefer Toriyama. he was more intellectually honest. He messed up a lot, but he admitted he had a poor memory and forgot many thing. At the same time he though this flaw could be a source of cooler idea.

Like recently when he said that Shadow is based on Spawn when until last year we all know he was based on Vegeta - although softer and more open minded - there are also notes about that. (Never heard about Spawn associated with Shadow before 2024) .

However Shadow was describled very differently in early days, and the descriptions were provided by the Japaneses:

- Kind of a ninja (and it showed in Sa2, he acted smartly more than brutish, ninja are known to keep a low profile. In fact he actually won in SA2, mostly thanks to his brain, before changing his mind) - Thoughful (doesn't laugh) - it was very obvious. Actually, we don't know how his laugh sounds like. Except for ShtH 2005, but there it was a 'what if if Shadow goes full villain?' so... - Vegeta (post Bu)

Also (By Maekawa)

- Dainty

What David Humphrey was told by those from SoJ, when he gave his voice to Shadow in Sa2

- Menacing but with a heart

Sounds quite balanced and detailed enough. The traits are mostly neutral. Flexible enough to work both as villain and as hero without loosing his charm.

I agree with this description made by japaneses in the early days, although I'm a westerner. I coul see those traits.

So I don't really know about Iizuka's view. Maybe he really wants Shadow to be OP and barely with any reemeding qualities and that's unique with him?.

And maybe Vegeta as a typical old fashioned japanese dad is the unique interpretation of that person and not all Japanese think the same. In Dragon Ball Vegeta was describled differently and more in line to what most people think (I watched all the episodes where Vegeta was describled in Japanese, it matched the Italian script, nowhere I saw him describled as 'old fashioned Japanese dad')

Might be a matter of very personal experiences.

[cousinshipper]

hii i saw a post you made a month ago about how selfshipping was a proship thing originally and I’m very curious about the history of it in that regard if you are so inclined to share!! no worries if you don’t wanna answer :]

yeah yeah no problem!! :0c so selfshipping was originally made by proshippers (as well as fandom itself, tons of earlier online spaces, etc) on tumblr in the early/mid 2010s with OC/SI x canon and it used to be seen as like this hobby/roleplaying type thing where people would just post positivity about their F/Os and how much they loved them, as well as make OCs and S/Is to go with them !! it was super creative and innovative at the time

it was totally fine until antis started discourse about age gap shipping and shipping with villains (and also mary sues which tells you how long ago this was), typical anti stuff, and then selfshipping became a proship friendly space because antis hated it so much . but then antis started to self ship and like take over the community basically 😭 so now we just have constant discourse in a community that was originally supposed to just be about loving our F/Os together

after the porn ban & anti raids a lot of older selfshipping blogs got deleted/deactivated or moved over to twitter

[luna-rainbow]

(Source)

So I just read an anti-Peggy meta on a Chinese blog which I can't verify (and I'm not sure whether any English comics readers have summarised these), but basically Peggy is a Frankenstein of all three of Steve, Bucky and Sharon's characteristics and storylines but without truly reflecting their values, which is why her characterisation is a mess.

Her character background is taken mostly from Sharon: "secret agent, kickass, independent, self-assured". Sharon was the original female Cap America.

Stuff her character took from Bucky (I have no way of verifying this but this seems like a lot more than I expected, also this is translated back from Chinese so there's going to be differences to the original words): (Source)

Peggy walking in on Steve/Lorraine -> Bucky walks in after a French spy forced a kiss on Steve, Bucky apologises while Steve goes all flustered and runs off, "You don't believe in me!"

Steve and Peggy's talk before diving into the ocean -> all of Steve's thoughts pre-dive was about Bucky, "Bucky's figure is like a windswept rock, carved into my mind."

Steve thinking about the date with Peggy after waking up -> the first thing Steve says upon waking is Bucky, and he then searches the world for Bucky

Steve staying in SHIELD because Peggy found it -> Steve stayed in SHIELD because one of the founding members looked like Bucky

Steve carrying Peggy's photo around -> after waking, Steve got some of his belongings back, but along with it Bucky's uniform and photo, which he kept with him everywhere. He'd often take out Bucky's photo and caress it and weep.

Steve seeing Peggy in Wanda's illusion -> Steve always sees Bucky in his dreams

Steve's "dance" promise with Peggy -> Steve and Bucky's Grand Canyon promise, and Steve went there by himself to draw Bucky's picture, pretending they came together.

Steve going back to the past to be with Peggy -> Steve went back to the past to find Bucky, but when he did Bucky died, and the Bucky in his own world disappeared too. When the SHIELD director who looked like Bucky contacted Steve, in a moment of confusion, he agreed and returned to the present.

The "no, you move" words was a climatic scene for Steve in the comics, but was taken from Steve and given to Peggy (via Sharon). As we've discussed elsewhere, this never worked because we have not, demonstrably, ever seen Peggy plant herself in the face of overwhelming pressure and refuse to compromise on something.

I really like this next bit, so I'm going to translate it word for word:

You think it's a tragic love, but it was stolen from Cap and Bucky's relationship. That is Captain's "right partner", that's his insurmountable love from WW2, his 65 years of pining, the existence that he can neither let go nor speak about, he's the quiet grief in his dark nights, he's the exhilaration of their reunion, he's the heartbreak in his every almost-found but repeated disappointments, he's his exhausting search. And someone stole everything from the original, except the suffering.

And I think that's my biggest issue with this character, because she's been written as a Mary-Sue of sorts, with a whole bunch of retroactively added privilege -- which, I dunno, maybe made her feel more appealing to some of the audience, but widened the gap between her and Steve. Steve, who has not lived amongst privilege, and whose whole being is around not letting privileged folks take advantage of others -- against her, a highly privileged woman, who used that privilege to gain more privileges, who then used it to take advantage of others. They are so diametrically opposed in their motivations that I just can't see them working out without either of them breaking character.

Apparently in House of M, she and Steve married, but she could not fathom why Steve continued to oppose unfair policies from the government. Steve lamented only Bucky understood him, but Bucky died during a mission, and Steve stepped down from Cap and divorced Peggy. At the end, an aged Steve walks beneath the streetlights, mourning the words Bucky once said to him. This is a much more likely outcome for their relationship if both remained in character, than whatever EG was.

[shozmonthefairy]

I want an epic comeback from me, well I can make it. There was ton of changes since my last post so yes... I need to explain a lot I guess.. Actually I moved to telegram that's why you didn't see me posting for soo long time.. My mistake I didn't warn you but that's the whole me.

Actually here's some most recent artworks I made with BTF AU, so have fun.

First, Anti-Juandissimo is now Daffodil cause of Russian joke with his name, so yeah also look at his new tattoos, macho in his nature beauty.

Here's refs of Anti-Fairy gang I made cause they have a big role in the storyline, and they did some really bad things also, but which ones I'll tell you soon.

Sandie is an Anti-Fairy queen cause they did a really dirty murder to finish with Anti-Cosmos monarchy and made a new Royal Family instead. That's the biggest change about them I made.

BTF poster because you shouldn't forget who's actually made all the stuff that happens. Shozmon didn't change at all, cause he's a simple design character, he doesn't need to be somehow changed, at least some character moments, but it's a formality. Also Juniper is here, he got one small change its a deadly wenom that elfs base in their teeth now, yes I really love look at biology while making this headcanons.

Nitro North still a bastard, just with some small changes in design and maybe his abilities. He still edgy, but every foot story need an edgy Mary Sue villain.

Actually guess who's my favorite character in BTF... Hard right?

Welp Daffodil went so good so I just can't stop drawing only him from his weird side cause this man deserved so, really.

If you want subscribe, if there will be more than 20 people this blog will live like it was before.

[coulsonlives]

This is why antis having Hannibal stuff all over their blogs will never not be funny to me.

Do antis know that Brian Fuller, the maker of their fave show about abusive characters, is against censorship? Do they choose to ignore that, dropping their fabricated 'outrage' only when it's convenient for them because they care more about watching a show than, contrary to what they say, 'helping abuse victims', or 'standing up to fiction that romanticizes abuse''? Which Hannibal clearly does?

Maybe some of them will say, 'well, I can separate the creator from the show!!' to justify their hypocrisy. But if that's the case, why the fuck can't they also separate indie creators/writers/artists from their creations?

It's hypocrisy all the way up.

[lean-mean-demon-genevieve]

Hello, I've recently started reading your blog and am enjoying it so far. I'm curious on your thoughts about a few things. What is your overall opinion on Jared? I've been noticing lately that Jared has been looking more miserable lately and looks a good bit thinner than he did a couple years ago. I also noticed his hair doesn't look as soft and shiny as it used to.

I watched the Mens Health video of an interview with him on what he eats and his workout routine. I noticed there was relatively little protein outside of him mentioning chicken, cheese and sometimes eggs and bacon. I also recall him mentioning he doesn't really eat carbs either. Do you think Gen is perhaps trying to control his diet and that it's possibly impacting his health mentally and physically? I know of people who do keto right and are healthy but I'm wondering if Jared is really doing that right, especially with what I've noticed and also tends to get sick a lot. I'm also wondering why he had to use a hyperbaric chamber to get more oxygen to his brain at one point.

Also, I saw a post of yours where you mentioned your first disdain of Gen is much stronger than it is towards Danneel. Would you be kind enough to tell me why you hate Gen a lot more than Danneel?

Thank you for your time in reading and hopefully answering this all.

Oh man, I’ve been super busy for the past several weeks, then sick, and haven’t gotten around to responding to asks in any particular order. But I’ve also been hesitant to touch this one because anyone that comes anywhere close to Jared critical content is immediately chased with pitchforks around here. It is so divided and therefore people are defending their faves to the death. Especially since Prequelgate, Jared, and thus Gen, are the current Prom King and Queen in the areas of fandom I most often see. And let me be clear that I’m not a Heller nor am I anti-Jared but I’m just also not a stan…of anyone. Honestly, I’m an “eat the rich” leftist at heart who believes anyone’s choices can be looked at with a critical eye.

(Long post under the cut)

To answer the easy stuff first, I don’t feel as strongly about Danneel because, except for a few appearances here and there, she keeps to herself lately and doesn’t give me a reason to really analyze her behaviors. I wasn’t deep into fandom during the early days of her and Jensen getting married and all of her territorial behaviors, so I don’t bring all of that with me to the present day. I do hate the way Danneel panders to Hellers and I did pick up on some irritating comments in her most recent OTH podcast appearance. The response from a fan question at HonCon about how Jensen can never impress her makes me roll my eyes and is part of their schtick that feels very tired. I don’t think we would be friends, but Danneel doesn’t get under my skin quite the same way Gen does. I think in some ways, Danneel has been more openly who she is (even if it was bitchy and unlikeable) whereas Gen has hidden behind a Mary Sue persona of golly-gee-whiz perfection…and I just respect that authenticity more.

Describing why I am anti Gen is…honestly difficult to summarize. I will link some of my other posts to help. Right away, it’s not because I’m jealous and she gets to be married to Jared. Overall, it lies in all the inconsistencies and hypocrisies which, honestly, I wouldn’t even be aware of if she wasn’t so set on proving her worth to herself by building a platform to manipulate her fans with sales pitches. She preaches sustainability while also jet-setting constantly. And she’s more of a flip-flopper than a preacher, so understanding what she even stands for is difficult. She wants to sell you 6 different supplements for the almighty gut health while also being seen drinking alcohol regularly. And when she laments about being stressed I lose my entire mind because most of us could only dream of having her version of stress. In one of her most recent IG story ads she complained that 2 trips out of the country (and away from her children) were just SO HARD to deal with! To me, instead of the relatable vibe she’s going for, she regularly comes off as entirely ungrateful and unaware of all of her privileges.

When I look at Gen, don’t see the same “goofy, light-hearted mom who is altruistically trying gosh darn hard to save the world with recycling and kindness” that her fans see. I see an uptight yet insecure grifter who skates by in this fandom by doing the bare minimum while being praised like a saint. And I think that it is her connection to Jared that affords her all the fandom grace. When people still refer to this grown man as one of their “boys” and liken him to “literal sunshine,” puppies, and sunflowers…well, imagine the positive assumptions we make about a partner that person chooses.

(I hate referring to either J as a boy, don’t come for me…and I’ve seen Jensen receiving the same stanning that also makes me gag lol)

While I hope Jared is not struggling with any other underlying health issue, his frame has appeared to change in recent years. But I’m definitely not here to say that this is due to Gen “controlling” him in any way. I do think Gen has/has had her own issues with eating (she admitted to having history of an eating disorder in a podcast once) and excessive exercise, but Jared is a grown man who makes his own decisions. Jared himself has alluded to insecurities in his body image over the years, praised what I would call disordered eating practices like fasting, and his bulked up frame as Soulless Sam was suspected of having anabolic help at the time. I do think he dabbles in manipulating diet and exercise in different ways like every one else in The Biz and I think he has a naturally lanky frame. So if he doesn’t want to work out constantly in order to stay swole, then I fully respect that. There is also the issue of his knee that no doubt impacts his capabilities as well.

As for the hyperbaric chamber (mentioned during Jared’s appearance on the Inside of You podcast on 5/24/22): he didn’t need it and the evidence that it even fixes anything just isn’t there. That doctor is a known quack, and he sucked Jared right in. At these clinics they take specialized (and not widely accepted in the field of actual neuroscience) scans of your brain and present you with scary results in order to sell these expensive chambers and their own supplements. It’s a racket. Now, how did he find his way to an Amen Clinic in Costa Mesa, CA? I really couldn’t tell you, but it does sound like the shifty, woo woo alternative medicine that Gen has also been pursuing for her “brain fog.” But then again, his supposed buddy and co-star Keegan Allen is also a health and wellness wackadoo, and we’ve seen Jared get sucked in by the likes of that young lady with the boutique IV drip clinic too. Jared has also shouted out Joe Rogan multiple times. He’s got multiple influences.

If Gen and/or Jared is concerned about their cognitive functioning, as a person with connection to the world of eating disorders, my opinion is that they invest in less oxygen chambers and instead at least consider more carbohydrates and overall calories. You’d be amazed at how much less foggy your brain feels when it’s properly nourished. And no, I’m not diagnosing anyone here, but I am saying that people with access to these expensive specialists are sometimes overlooking an answer that is right in front of their faces simply because eating a wider variety of nutrients would betray their brand. And sometimes people are scared to eat more when they can no longer workout like they use to and have an image to maintain.

[disastercit]

me when i started an oc blog in 2019: i dont wanna tag my oc posts as camp camp thats so embarrassing :( what if they get annoyed or think im cringe for having an oc :((( if i give my oc too complicated of a backstory it's a mary sue/main character syndrome/insert anti-fun buzzword here :(((

me now: *posts a six paragraph essay about my oc that explains basically everything about him to the main fandom tag and leaves*

[hislittleraincloud]

"rpf is honestly no different than just thinking about someone in a scenario. me thinking about going on dates with a friend and being close with them is no different than writing about those same things. the only difference is that one is in visible words"

It's a HUGE and ESSENTIAL fucking difference.

It is one thing to think about a celebrity, or even write your fantasies in your own private blog (like we all did back in the day when we had paper diaries). It's a whole different story when we live in an age of social media and connectivity where said celebrity, their friends, and their family can see/read/access it.

But people like you, @buni-gutz , don't care about that because you're simply and purely objectifying the celebrity. They don't exist as a human with agency or their own desires and actions in the world to you. They exist as an ideal — your ideal, patched together by their artistic works and media presence — that you wanna fuck ten times through Sunday AND you have this weird exhibitionist desire that compels you to take the massive chance that said celebrity will see/read your fantasies about them. What you would hope to accomplish by that is something beyond anyone's comprehension, but that is the absolute risk you take when you publish RPF or self-insert/Mary Sue RPF, etc. The y/n-ers are guilty of the same, perpetuating a genre that spoonfeeds storyline instead of stimulating the imagination of the reader to be able to empathize with characters better, but that's another post altogether.

So, I agree with 🍒☕556. RPF is probably the only thing you can consider me ✨anti✨, but I'm not going to say that you can't write it. I just don't think it should be shared where it's accessible to these peoples' friends/siblings/parents/etc. That's a problem in our age of connectivity. I really cannot imagine the kind of horrible razzing/teasing that Jenna Ortega could be getting from anyone in her life about the Pacific Ocean's worth of fluids spilt on her fics alone.

And yes, not supporting RPF being published could be construed as a form of censorship, and me being anti-censorship could be construed as hypocritical (though as also stated, I do support political RPF, since politicians are there for us to create wicked and wild satire about...it's been done for centuries). Howeverrrrrrr...even under our great liberties here in the U.S. with our First Amendment right to free speech, we're not entirely free to say just anything, especially about a person or entity. You can't make shit up about them. You can't present a photo of them and say it's something it's not (the photo manipulated candid shots of Ortega 'holding hands' with Emma Myers at Chappell Roan is an example of this; the Photoshopped "that is a homosexual" Instagram exchange between 'Jenna' and 'Emma' is another). You can be sued for defamation, because defamatory speech isn't protected by 1A; neither is presenting someone in a false light. If she had the will to do so, Ortega could pick out one or a handful of writers to send Cease & Desist letters to (under the threat of lawsuit); we know she more than likely won't, but it is an option for her OR any other celebrity to do so, here in the U.S.

And because it is an option clearly tells you which side of the law you're treading on.

It's not the same with fiction about the fictional characters. Fictional characters can't sue you. Their family members can't tease or judge them because they too are fictional characters. They don't exist. Everything they do doesn't exist. They're impressions (fan fic/art) of impressions (actors'/writers' works). They are true stories of the imagination, and sometimes they're just stories, some meant to elicit thought, shock, or visceral reaction, not meant to hold a standard or moral lesson. That's the difference that the current fresh-facers in fandom need to understand.

That includes the people like Smokey above who have the gall to even write the phrase "stories that are harmful across the board". The only stories that are potentially harmful and disruptive to real people are RPFs for the reasons I just stated, but generally we should not be striving to dictate to authors that their fictional pairings (and what they do with each other) are morally objectionable. In most cases, the authors already know that. "Harm" is entirely subjective when it comes to fiction.

The only ones who have complained about this in the past have been conservatives...but newbs to fandom culture are proving horseshoe theory correct.

no but how much audacity and sheer entitlement do you have to have to tell people they need to stop posting their darkfic and porn fic and any other fic you don’t like to ao3 so you can have a safe space when ao3 was literally created as a safe space for writers to post their content without fear of it being randomly wiped out by pro-censorship assholes with an agenda like what has happened to plenty of other fic archives before?

“but a lot of us see ao3 as a safe space to get away from that kind of nasty content” - lol you can see the middle of a busy interstate as a safe space all you want too but that doesn’t mean that you get to walk into the road and scream at all the cars going by that they’re the ones infringing on your safe space either

ao3 is not, has never been, and will never be a site meant for nothing but children’s stories. you can “see it” like that as much as you want but there’s a difference between fiction and reality and that view of what ao3 is like is as fictional as the stories posted on it.

[rolinoli]

i haven’t been super active on this blog, but i’ve seen a few people expressing concern & anxiety over this & a LOT of people giving inaccurate answers, so:

are you a “pro-shipper” if you self ship?

short answer: not unless you WANT to be one. i’ll explain.

(if you’re worried that i am a pro-shipper answering this: where am i coming from? i dislike both of these labels and do not use either. i am personally averse to ships of a certain nature (i am grossed out by incest and underage shipping, for example) and always scroll if i see that type of content. but generally i do not come across that content in the first place because i do not look for it. i think that people should properly tag content they post so that people who do not want to see it can block tags and avoid it.)

long answer: the act alone of shipping a particular pairing, whether that be canon x canon or canon x oc or canon x self can not inherently be pro-ship. being “pro-ship” is not a label that can be attached to any ship in particular—it is a label that is attached to the way people choose to interact in fandom and shipping spaces.

pro-shipping is NOT:

problematic shipping (pro does not stand for anything)

a lack of distaste/disgust/dislike/avoidance of taboo/unethical content in shipping

pro-shipping is:

not engaging in harassment over shipping

anti-shipping is NOT:

being personally disgusted/disinterested/hostile towards certain ships

anti-shipping is:

actively engaging in harassment regarding ships. this INCLUDES harassment about ships you just don’t like regardless of whether or not they contain unethical dynamics.

NOTE: plenty of people label themselves “pro-ship” and engage in harassment. plenty of people label themselves “anti” and do not engage in harassment. this is largely due to the misinterpretation as the term “pro-ship” as meaning “problematic shipping” and the term “anti” meaning “anti-problematic shipping”

not every person that is disgusted by unethical ships is considered an anti—they may prefer to block, not interact with, or talk about that content at all.

someone who ships things like incest or underage pairings is not necessarily a pro-shipper; they may still engage in harrassment over ships they don’t like even if they favor unethical pairings.

why do people say self shipping is “pro-ship”?

FACT CHECK:

self-shipping has existed for a very long time and did not originate in the pro-ship community. it also did not originate in the anti community. it was created a long time before either of these labels ever popped into existence.

while some pro-shippers say this as rage-bait, to claim credit for self shipping, or to guilt people, not all do, and there is MINOR credit to this claim.

ANSWER:

people say self-shipping is “pro-ship” largely because of the hatred and harassment directed towards self-shippers. that “mary sue” “self inserts are bad” “self-shipping is cringe” wave of fandom and shipping drama is where this belief comes from. self-shipping is one of the more frowned upon forms of shipping, primarily because people think it’s weird or embarrassing. the majority of people who DO actively self-ship are the against harassment of self-shippers.

for people who think “pro-ship” means problematic-ship, and are personally averse to unethical/taboo ships, the claim that self-shipping is pro-ship may seem alarming.

for people who know pro-ship technically means “anti harassment over shipping,” this just means that they associate the act of self shipping, a type of shipping which has historically faced a lot of harassment and negativity, as pro-ship. technically, you could say it is.

SO: are you a pro-shipper if you self ship?

ANSWER: not really, unless you feel like using that label.

“pro-ship” and “anti-ship” are relatively new labels within fandom spaces. self shipping far, far predates either of these terms. pro-shipping, as it originated and as most people who consider themselves pro-ship accept, simply means you do not believe in harassment over shipping. you can be personally disgusted by, absolutely hate, and avoid at all costs dynamics typically associated with pro-shipping (eg. incest, underage, abuse) and still be technically considered “pro-ship” if you navigate this in any way that isn’t actively harassing people.

[sleeping-shifter]

Intro Post (for now)

Hello hi I'm "Sleeping Shifter". Sleeping cause I'm tired so I eep 💤

I am an adult and use they/he/she pronouns. I also honestly really suck with social media and online communication in general (introvert+anxiety that is honestly worse online will do that unfortunately). 99% sure I have autism+adhd as well.

This blog is a sideblog made with the intent to just reblog shifting-related posts I like and to yap about my own DRs when I want to. Activity on here will vary so don't be surprised if nothing happens here for weeks on end. Gonna do my best not to stress out and overthink things here too so if things look messy or worded weirdly I apologize;;;

I'm gonna be blunt on this for the purposes of boundaries both for myself and other people. For some of my DR's, I age myself down to around 15-16. This is for multiple reasons, including things like fitting into the story/plot/setting and personal inner healing for me due to personal issues. I'm also someone who generally doesn't mind the idea of it, as I believe that when you shift to a DR with a different age, your maturity and mindset change to the current reality's age as well.

Overall, I honestly don't care to police what others do in their DRs. In the end, shifting and what can be done with it is limitless. If the fact that I age myself down, or the general idea of being able to shift to be a different age bothers you, then I prefer if you didn't interact.

Basic DNI also applies here as well. Do not interact with me if you're a bigot, an anti-shifter, trump supporter, etc.

I plan on keeping this blog SFW but I will say that one of my more focused DR's that I plan to probably talk about at one point is for an 18+ game. That doesn't mean posts for that DR are gonna be explicit, if anything I'll work extra hard to make it as chill as possible, but I'll still mark them in case people want to avoid discussion related to it. Overall, I'll probably make a list of all my DR's eventually, but I will say that I am someone who mostly shifts to DR's that are from animes/video games.

Final note is that you may notice that sometimes if not a lot I will talk like I've already shifted. It helps my mindset and is comfortable for me. Also, I will also talk about these DR's with no shame no matter how "mary sue" they are/seem (cause yes I scripted a lot like that). I am cringe but free and happy.

Anyways, here are some actual fun notes about me related to shifting.

Learned about shifting during 2020 like most but not through tiktok cause I actually don't have an account lmao. Instead it was because I was getting youtube videos reccomending me "anime shifting subliminals" and seeing people in the comments be like "I'm gonna shift guys!" got me wondering what it was so I did research. One thing led me to another and now 4+ years later here we are.

Chronic script unfinisher. I have 20+ DRs and have only completed one (1) script all the way (as in, writing down absolutely everything I wanted to).

Out of all my DR's, the main ones I tend to focus on include:

- MHA DR - TWST DR (Siren Edition) - Genshin DR (Cryo Dragon Edition) - Vtuber DR (Niji Xsoleil Edition) - Pokemon DR (Uva Academy Edition) - NU:Carnival DR (Raven Yokai Edition) (This is the 18+ game DR)

[twentyyearstoolate]

This feels like a good time to bring up the fact that in 2022, jkr published an installment of her Comoran Strike crime thriller series under the pen name Robert Galbraith. The Ink Black Heart clocks in at over a thousand pages, and the first victim just so happens to be a cartoonist who catches flak from critics for some of her work seemingly being phobic and hateful. Per the New Statesman:

I’d hate to conflate the art and the artist, so here is a neutrally presented list of facts about the book. It is simply a fact that the novel contains a character who goes by the name “Pen of Justice”, writes long blog posts about how one of the cartoon’s characters is transphobic, and blogged on the day of the 2015 general election that to “even consider voting for a party other than Labour meant you were lacking in all basic humanity”. (I’ll leave it up to you to speculate whether this character is ultimately revealed to be a good guy or a bad guy.) It is simply a fact that another character – who is chronically ill, refers to herself as a “spoonie” and is shown to have been reading an article called “10 Tell-tale Signs You Aren’t (Entirely) Cis” – accuses Ledwell of being “violently racist and ableist” for her cartoon. It is simply a fact that some of the most extreme toxicity within the fictional fandom turns out to be associated with actual fascists. And it is simply a fact that Ledwell is accused by one of the book’s villains of creating an anti-Semitic caricature, just as Rowling has been accused of the same with regards to Harry Potter’s goblin bankers.

I wish I could purely read this book on its own terms – but Rowling has made it difficult to, filling her novel with so many details that read as nods to different online factions caught up in the backlash against her. You can’t help but suspect that Rowling was so invested in these references that she forgot to make the book good.

So, not only is she (at the very least) a nazi/white supremacist sympathizer, a racist, and a transphobe, she's also a fucking hack who Mary Sues herself.

"controversial" take but I absolutely get angry and uncomfortable every time I see something HP related. it's not the series itself it's just the fact it's literally inseparable from jkr who herself is a massive fucking transphobe/transmisognist and made herself the head of that movement. I get wanting to "reclaim it" but is it worth hurting our trans sisters over a generic wizard series.