#anti snape apologists

[timdrakemybeloved]

Snape makes me so fucking mad holy fuck, I’m incapable of thinking of him positively. I don’t even like Draco and I think of him 10x more positively than I think of Snape.

What kind of person gets bullied as a child and then grows up and bullies the child of his bully like that makes him way worse than James (btw I love James and I fully believe he matured and grew up and is a good person who deserved more than for Snape to tell a literal Nazi terrorist to kill him and his infant son but to leave his wife alive). Snape had way more power over the kids he taught than James did over him and what did he do with it?

He made fun of their appearance and scared them to the point that he was Neville’s boggart (which when you think about it is so awful because 1, Neville’s parents got tortured into insanity and I’m pretty sure he was there, and his boggart probably should have been Bellatrix or his uncle even, and 2, he did it because Neville was the other possible prophecy child and Snape was upset that Voldie didn’t pick him to kill when HE GAVE HIM THE PROPHECY IN THE FIRST PLACE).

He said shitty things about Harry’s dead parents and orphan-hood, was glaring at Harry literally right off the bat so don’t say it was because he got into trouble a lot, asked him questions he couldn’t possibly know, told Draco to summon a serpent during duelling club??? How irresponsible is that???

Literally lied to the minister just to get Sirius killed, which atp is ridiculous (I think Sirius was dumb as fuck, careless, possibly malicious, to tell snape where to go to find moony, but snape literally already suspected that Remus was a werewolf so idk what the fuck he thought was gonna happen if he found him during the full moon, and calling it a murder attempt is a stretch), like grow up please this man was in Azkaban for 12 years which is a hugely disproportionate punishment for anything he did do to you, and the reason he was there in the first place was literally fraudulent, which he knew and he lied anyway.

And honestly the Legilimancy lessons were fucking joke, who looks through an abused kids memories and makes fun of both the abuse and the few good memories he has?? And then he’s surprised that Harry tried to equal the playing field between them?? Snape had way more power than Harry did, and obviously it wasn’t the best thing to do to a person but yk what I’m not going to judge Harry’s actions, Snape was abusive and the victim isn’t to blame for their reactions to their abuser.

And he threw Harry across the room for seeing his memories?? Abuse. To be honest even seeing the memory about James being a bully felt like JKR trying to make shit up as fast as possible to make Snape seem more redeemable, which apparently worked for some people who think abusing kids is okay as long as you have a tragic backstory and an abusive parent. And it actually makes me really mad that he thought Harry was treated like a prince so decided to treat him like shit so he wouldn’t get any ideas about having self esteem or confidence, then found out that he was abused and then just did nothing and tbh treated him worse. And the lessons themselves were actually painful to Harry?? They definitely made his mind more vulnerable, he had more nightmares.

And let’s not forget that he joined a Nazi group that wanted to exterminate people like his best friend, called his best friend a slur, viewed Lily as an exception to the other muggleborns, and invented sectumsempura for his enemies IN SCHOOL which means the Maurauders.

And it makes me sick that he looked in a room with a crying baby whose parents just got murdered, his mom right in front of him, and a dead woman who was killed by his Nazi leader like directly because of his actions, and then he ignored the baby and went to hug the woman’s dead body. Like if I was Lily, I wouldn’t want him near either my body or my child, but if he was my only option, then he better be fucking taking care of my living son. Like she rejected him his weird obsession for her freaks me tf out.

And I get that without Snape asking for Lily to be spared, Voldemort wouldn’t have asked Lily to stand aside and the blood protection wouldn’t have been activated, but literally once good thing happening because of a tragedy he caused doesn’t make him a good person.

Anyway. Think I got it out of my system for now. Fuck Snape. :)

Edit: Just to be clear, I actually find his character really compelling, even though I dislike him and his actions. And of course I’m not saying no one can like Snape.

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If James bullied Severus because the latter knew a lot or liked dark magic, then why didn’t he also target the wealthy pure-bloods from important families? Instead, he conveniently chose a poor half-blood boy with no financial resources or family support as the main target of his taunts and abuse.

James hated dark magic, but rather than torment all the future dark wizards who were already showing signs of what they would become, he decided to go after someone who couldn’t defend himself socially or economically. James didn’t go after the boys with money and strong family support because he knew that would have consequences. Bullying someone with present, well-resourced, and influential parents could cause him problems. With Severus, he didn’t have to worry. He was a nobody. Just a poor half-Muggle kid who couldn’t even afford decent clothes. He was the easy prey, and that’s basic bully behavior: you go after the person you perceive as the most vulnerable. The dark magic excuse is just that—an excuse. James targeted Severus because his social and economic position allowed it, while Severus’ situation made it so there were no consequences for James’ actions.

[hootietpants]

"You guys are overreacting! What James did wasn't SA!"

Like James Potter was the king of consent. The guy couldn't take a "no" for an answer. He literally THREATENED Lily to go out with him. But sure Severus was the creep.

[heckin-music-dork]

Snape my beloathed they could never make me not hate you

[khr-guilded-cage]

Blogs that hate awful characteres that most of the fandom love and stan after are always my favorites

And yes, even if I don't agree with them

Still love such a different view

[ummyesisthisjasongrace]

I noticed a disturbing amount of snape lovers liking/reblogging my latest albus dumbledore post and while I appreciate the engagement I just wanna clarify that I hate this man with every fibre of my being and it feels so weird having snape apologists reblog my stuff, even if it's not about him. It's also worrying how many of the albus dumbledore stans are also apparently pro snape? Like can we please find the overlap of dumbledore lovers and snape haters? 😭

[derangedbookworm]

dumbledore and snape were good peo- *LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER*

[findyourtruth]

Marauders fans won't understand this because they most likely were/are bullies themselves. I see no other explanation for this.

It doesn’t matter if the Marauders Matured.

It doesn’t matter. Sure, they could’ve matured and grown up- which they didn’t and go about their lives as if everything was fine. Because they’re the perpetrators; they’re the bullies/abusers. They weren’t affected by the trauma they inflicted on Snape.

Snape can’t just “get over it”. It’s TRAUMATIC. TRAUMA. You don’t just get over trauma. You can’t. There isn’t “getting over it” there’s “getting help to manage the symptoms of what the trauma inflicted upon you and making it a bit easier to live your life like normal” trauma has a lasting effect on people. It takes years to recover and heal. To come to terms with what happened. This is also not done on one’s own. It’s done with support from loved ones, trusted friends and medical/mental professionals like therapists, etc. Which Snape was never able to get because he didn’t have that kind of support system.

So no. It doesn’t matter if the Marauders matured (even though they never did) their actions still had a deep impact on Snape’s life that effect it even years after it happened. It is ingrained in his mind and no matter how hard he tries to hide his emotions and pain it’s still there and it will always still be there. With help it can be easier to manage- but he never is able to get that.

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Marauders fans who try to whitewash the actions of James Potter and Sirius Black or excuse them with the pretext that Snape joined the Death Eaters, I have news for you: you’re a bunch of classist idiots, and you don’t even realize it because you’ve never bothered to open a damn book to read about how capital and power work and how they are connected.

Was Severus Snape a racist? No, because believe it or not, there are many reasons to join an extremist group, and when we talk about vulnerable youths, ideology is often the last motive. Severus joined the Death Eaters because he wanted protection, he wanted to fit in somewhere, he wanted power. That need for protection stemmed from coming from a home filled with violence, but also from being systematically bullied at school without any consequences. In fact, not even the attempt to murder him had consequences. His life meant nothing, while his abusers—those rich, popular, and handsome kids (economic capital, social capital, physical capital)—did whatever they wanted without facing consequences. He was poor, friendless, and ugly, so he had no power, he was nothing. The only way to become something, to gain status and defend himself, was to do what other people with capital told him to do, those people he met at his house who didn’t treat him like an outcast. They promised that if he joined their group, he too could win, he could have power, he could be part of something—and he accepted. And he accepted because people like him only know how to do one thing: survive. A poor kid raised in violence is a survivor, and survivors do whatever it takes to stay alive. And they do ANYTHING to stay alive. Severus learned this from a young age, and that’s what he did as a teenager; that’s why he created spells to defend himself and why he made decisions to survive. Were they the right choices morally and ethically? If we ask ourselves this from the comfort and stability of a structured life, probably not, but that wouldn’t be fair, because his reality was very different.

It’s very easy to make the right choices when you have everything going for you. It’s very easy to surround yourself with the right people when you’ve had nothing but good influences around you. It’s very easy to have the right views when that’s all you have to think about and not whether you’ll have food the next day or survive a beating. James Potter had it incredibly easy in life, and even then, he chose to torture a poorer and more vulnerable kid simply because he could. And he didn’t do it alone; he did it supported by his friends, outnumbering him. Potter didn’t have to survive, he didn’t have to fend for himself, he didn’t have to find safe spaces because he was born surrounded by gold and affection, and still, he chose to be a jerk. And he did it because he had the money and the social position to do it. He did it because he was rich and Snape was poor, because he had loving parents and Snape didn’t, because he was a spoiled, classist brat. And so was Sirius. Sirius was classist and violent, and he enjoyed the suffering of others. He had the usual sadism of the Black family, except he changed the discourse about blood. But Sirius also never had to survive. He left his home with a millionaire inheritance from his uncle and was taken in by other millionaires, the Potters. He never had to fend for himself or survive anything, and he never knew what it was like to truly escape from hell with absolutely nothing. And he chose, like his other rich friend, to take advantage of his privileges.

Defending the abuse of power based on class advantage is classist. Not considering someone’s socio-economic conditions when evaluating their decisions is classist. Comparing the decision-making power of someone rich with that of someone who has nothing is classist. Judging the ethics of a person who had everything with someone who has feared for their life since childhood is classist.

And yes, defending the Marauders is classist as hell, and you should be ashamed of yourselves.

[olderthannetfic]

The weird thing about this website is so many people who get really high and mighty about how they’d never stan fictional villains who commit fictional atrocities are the same ones who end up stanning real atrocity committing dictators like Putin a few years later. Like it’s really funny to see blogs that would performatively get angry at someone for being a Snape fan 2 years ago are often now Stalin fandom tankies.

And honestly I was thinking about this and I’m not sure these things are unconnected. Making yourself resistant to radicalization means recognizing how it works and also that it could work on you. And it crucially means recognizing the difference between someone having a fun and engaging personality vs. them having good political goals and policies.

I think people who can recognize that a fictional character is fun as a character to watch because they’re charismatic, silly, hot, etc. but also recognize that they did horrible things is thus going to be similarly better equipped to do that same calculus with real people.

Whereas a lot of “antis” have this idea that they’re inherently morally superior and even just learning *about* bad things will somehow taint that. And also they don’t have to worry because they’re too moral to ever be tempted anyway.

The easiest way to be a target for this stuff is to decide it’ll just never happen to you, so you refuse to even consider the possibility as it is happening. And there are clearly a lot of people being radicalized now by playing into their perception of themselves as more progressive and virtuous than anyone else.

(But seriously this isn’t just a hypothetical, a whole bunch of the current big Tumblr tankies like h3ritageosts have long histories of being sanctimonious moralists toward fandoms that stan the wrong characters or media or whatever. And now they’re stanning the Kim family and Putin and creating “Zionist blocklists” that are largely *anti*-Zionist/pro-Palestine bloggers who just happen to also be Jewish, and calling them “genocide apologists” while engaging in actual apologia themselves for other genocides.

Like, whatever stanning fictional villains is doing to me, at least it’s not that.)

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[halfblood-princes-crown]

Guys wtf-

Tell me why I just saw a post that said

"Since swm was his worst memory, that leads me to believe James didn't bully him that much"

Omg being waterboarded and stripped in front of a crowd while being taunted, mocked, AND losing your best friend is your worst memory? That's not that bad, your bullying was probably over exaggerated!

It was described as RELENTLESS bullying...

Imagine hypothetically that this was domestic abuse we were talking about. "Being stripped and tortured was your worst memory of the abuse? The abuse couldn't have been that bad then"

WHAAAAAAAATT!?

Imma keep it a buck, Snape haters out themselves as abuse apologists very frequently. Even when they "stand up for the bullied students" it's only to feed their anti Snape narratives, then they ignore the abuse their faves inflicted on others. I'll die on this rock happily.

[findyourtruth]

This! Louder so the people in the back can hear!

It is abhorrent that a large percentage of the HP fandom, for a while it felt like the majority, minimized rich boys waterboarding and sexually abusing a poor kid “because he exists” and “to liven themselves up” as a “rivalry”. That is abuse. That is trauma. That’s not “boys being boys”, that’s not a teenage thing.

Severus is under less than no obligation to “get over” that and he is not petty or spiteful for still being angry about being abused as a child. Period.

[temis-de-leon]

Thoughts on Snape? Are you an apologist or an anti? When you used to play hogwarts mystery, did you see some positive outlook on him and maybe him and mc could maintain a stable bond (or more or less truce)

What a great question ☠️

My opinions on Snape are mostly based on his book character and they're not very positive. The main reasons are:

He's a bullying victim turned bully whose victims are literal children and people who can't help their origins despite him being half-muggle and his best friend/crush being full muggle-born.

While what the marauders did to him was beyond humiliating, it doesn't excuse him sacrificing an innocent man and a baby so he can get the girl.

If he could, Sirius and Remus would've been locked in Azkaban in book three and for the rest of the saga (if not killed first).

Neville absolutely did not deserve the treatment he got. It got to the point where Snape was his greatest fear and that makes much more sense in the books than in the films, where is seen as a joke.

However, you're asking about Hogwarts mystery, which is based on the movies, and not only did they ignore most of the marauders lore in the films, but Alan Rickman also did an incredible job portraying Snape.

In the films and the game, Snape is a man who committed many mistakes and later worked for the good side as a double spy. Those mistakes are somewhat overlooked because we aren't shown his most vile behavior in the flashbacks and instead only let us see the moments when he was a victim and when he regretted his decisions in the name of love.

And Snape's behavior towards the MC is very different from the way he treats Harry.

Harry is a carbon copy of the guy who bullied him and then married his crush and, if that wasn't enough, Snape is forced by Dumbledore to protect him (another stellar idea from our favourite headmaster) while being ordered by Voldemort to hurt him.

MC is just annoying. That's something that irritates Snape, but it isn't a reason to hate them and he knows it.

If I remember correctly, there is a certain camaraderie that develops as years go by in the game and it's very endearing. He even smiles at them sometimes and MC doesn't even have to make fun of another student to get that (because that's what Draco does with the main trio).

I like his relationship with the MC a lot. He's still a bad person, but overall acts like a teacher (an asshole teacher, but you get the idea).

[lunar-skylar]

I don’t think James fans realize how obnoxious they can be, or just are, and I say this as a James Potter stan/lover. Like, I love James very much, but (some of) his fans? Oh boy. 

They claim they want to hate Snape in peace, without Snape fans or apologists trying to defend him or attacking them. Yet they’re the main ones under every positive Snape video going on and on about “stan Bambi” or “anyways, stan James Potter,” they’ll literally even tag their anti-Snape content incorrectly just so his fans will see it, and it’s not only the most embarrassing thing to do or see, but it’s all so childish that you can’t help but roll your eyes at them. 

Personally, I’ve never actually seen any Snape fans under James videos doing what they do, but I won’t deny or disregard it just because I haven’t seen it. Maybe they do it too, but it’s definitely not as much as James fans do it to them (or from what I’ve seen, at least). And I don’t know if they understand, but James is a fairly popular character; he’s a fan favorite in the fandom (Marauders or just HP in general). So when said fans send in hate, it comes in massive waves. You’ll have James fan after James fan swarming the comments, spreading this negativity and hate, completely belittling these people. It makes them uncomfortable, feel less than, and afraid to express themselves (in a fandom that claims to be free to express oneself, to like whichever character(s) you want, to ship and let ship, and not follow canon, mind you), and it’s all just distasteful. That behavior is completely disgusting. 

You have every right to hate Snape (or whatever other character(s) you want) and to express that hatred on your own account. What you do not do, though, is attack his fans unprovoked (especially if you like other Death Eaters, because then you just come off as not so bright…and hypocritical).

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I think the Marauders were bullies but I love them anyway

I prefer Evans sisters angst over Black brothers angst

Ron is my favorite Weasley

I’m a Percy apologist

I think Hermione was done dirty by the later books in the series, and not because she ended up with Ron

I love Harry whump

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[findyourtruth]

True, Remus was as much a bully as the other Marauders, and Severus was their victim.

It's the same thing I hate about Snack, and it hits me when I see the "Severus wasn't blameless either so he shouldn't be angry at Sirius for attempted murder and years of torment" rhetoric in some of the most popular Snack fan fiction,

This makes me shocked and angry, but apparently most people don't mind. Well, I'm not the majority.

I actually hate snupin fanfics that just glide over the bullying severus endured bc remus is "well you did bad things when u grew up and i put that behind me so so should u" and then it's never brought up again for the sake of sev and remus not fighting or whatever. snape should be able to talk abt it. to air out his resentment (as should lupin but I see that he's allowed to do that more). like I don't think a lot of ppl understand how utterly despairing sev situation must've been from like his birth to 16/17 yo. imagine you're bullied relentlessly, SAd, and u don't even have a safe home to return to? not even parents who will hug you and keep you happy? this truly fucks someone's head. like actually and I gen don't think it's simply a schoolboy grudge