#anti shipper culture

[kaeyaswifefromsnezhnaya]

this is what's been irritating me so much lately

[multifandomhellhole]

I rarely say my takes unprompted but I genuinely can't stand modern fandom and need to scream into the void over it to thug it out.

it genuinely feels like fandom is in its gen alpha age of regression. I've noticed this heavily with other fandoms, for me I've seen it most in resident evil but now I'm seeing it in arcane too of ship wars being taken WAAAAY to seriously and just everything in general being surrounded by weird purity culture. Not to mention someone always trying to find some deep controversial reason into why you don't like a popular character or treating it like it's a direct attack. That weird portion can be left in 2020 with kinnies and IRL character shit.

What really pisses me off is that people especially on twitter, scream for fandom culture to be back, but the slightest mary sue, terrible animatic, out of character x reader, large age gap, weird fanfic, horrible but fun take, insensitive joke about a well loved character, and/or rare pair art gets crucified there. And y'all wonder why fandom is dead. Genuinely who wants to provide any material for an ungrateful bible thumping community and a hostile one at that? Or one that's so obsessed with canon.

Fandom etiquette is absolutely dead on any other website minus this one and even then I'm seeing some popular tweets that erase the fun of it here on Tumblr for some reason. Since I'm focused on arcane right now I'll be using that as an example. So what if people want to think jinx and Jayce would be friends? That doesn't mean they didn't understand the show or are less superior watchers to you. That means they don't have a stick up their ass. Who cares If someone makes a Viktor coughing joke? He does in fact cough a lot and it's placement can be funny. You are not morally ascended cause you didn't laugh at pixels fictional lung cancer. In fact you are morally shity for telling someone to kill themselves for joking about it.

Who cares if someone ships cait and Maddie over vi or vi with maddie. Or cait with ambessa or Viktor with sky or Viktor with silco. Literally the world kept spinning. Genuinely who gives a fuck it's an animated show about league not a real time war documentary 💀 Creepypasta literally turned a bunch of murders into a found family let's not forget how being delusional makes fandom more fun.

Like I said, Unfortunately since Im in an arcane place of focus this post will be using arcane examples but this does apply to every fandom.

[goawaypleasenowareyoukiddingme]

Venting Into the Void

Tw: Mention of rape, abuse, and Vivziepop.

Vivziepop claims to care about SA survivors but has a soft core rape porn playlist on her Zoophobia account. She defends fetishizing rape with a passion and talks over SA survivor voices. There are many times where consent is not taken seriously in her shows. Verosika raped Moxxie, Stella raped Stolas, Stolas sexually harasses Blitzo, Angel Dust sexually harasses Husk, all for laughs.

Vivziepop doesn't care about rape at all, and yet so many people want to pretend she does. It's sad. Her shows are so popular and you can't escape them. If you go to a convention, fanart of her works are everywhere and cosplayers too. Granted you don't have to like Viv to like her works but honestly, her shows aren't that great to begin with. The writing is inconsistent. It treats the audience like they're toddlers by telling and not showing.

And yet despite being capable of bashing a topic like "Charlie has Daddy issues" non stop with other characters saying it rather than showing it. There will scenes that require much more information, nuance, and care like the Loser Baby song. A song that fails to convey the message she tries to portray. It also sucks that Joel Perez sees no issue with people romanticizing the relationship between Angel and Valentino.

He will tell people critical of this to go watch Bluey rather than actually using empathy and critical thinking skills. On the plus side it seems Alex can understand valid critique of the show, as he was alright signing a critical video with Limus. Good on him. I'm glad despite Vivziepop clearly being an abusive person, that Alex will do as he pleases.

It's sad when people like Salem, Michael, and other employees get abused by her, and in Michael's case silenced. I hope that Vivziepop's victims get to live good lives. I just really wish more people could open their eyes and see that Vivziepop isn't a good person, that she doesn't deserve support. She's a privileged ritch woman that gets everything handed to her.

She doesn't need to be coddled, she already has enough yes men surrounding her. She'll never grow as a person for this exact reason. She throws away anyone who's even slightly criticizes her and keeps people who blindly agree with her. Also people still call her work independent but it's not anymore. Hazbin is a part of A24 and Amazon Prime. And Helluva has animation outsourced.

Independent animation has lee way for lower pay because it comes out of the creator's pockets typically. But Vivziepop doesn't have an excuse. She can pay her employees much more. She's seen on Instagram constantly taking vacations and splurging her money at restaurants. She actively chooses to not pay more. I can't escape Vivziepop related stuff in real life in convention situations and I can't escape it on the internet either.

Many artists that I genuinely like draw fan art of her shows. And I can't just unfollow every artist that makes that content as some of them are my friends and it seems like almost every single artist is doing it anyhow. I'd be following significantly less people if I were to stop following people who make Vivziepop work fan art.

I wish I could stop seeing related works to her on my timeline, it drives me crazy. Also Sam wrote that Valentino could be redeemed in season 2 so that only furthers the fact that Vivziepop truly doesn't give a fuck about representing rape in a caring way. Given that Vivziepop has drawn pedo, zoo, and other gross artworks, I wouldn't be surprised if she had committed some kind of crime herself.

It doesn't help her case when she promotes real animal abuse in Japan and is a pro-shipper. I saw someone say she's just a quirky millennial and harmless but she's anything but that. She hurts real people with her actions, she's kind of a monster.

Danm this was long but I just needed to anonymously get this off my chest. Sorry if there's any spelling or grammatical errors in this, it's just a vent not a professional article.

[mikewheelersfanfic]

things i think people should know BEFORE entering or engaging in fandom:

old lingo and definitions: ship and let ship, don't like don't read, block and move on, your kink is not my kink and that's okay, you curate your own experience

the dead dove tag alone isn't enough

ao3 is made to house ANY fanfiction no matter how gross

know what is vent art/fic and how can fiction be cathartic

the basic beginning of fandom: thank the star trek housewives that created us (/hj but seriously, remember where we started and how far we've come)

fandom is considered cringe and embarrassing irl in a LOT of places and context matters, keep that in mind

know homophobic, puritan, conservative, fascist rhetoric (censorship and hatred is fandom's greatest enemy, and while knowing this won't prevent propaganda from working on you entirely, it can reduce your risk of indoctrination and make fandom spaces a hell of a lot more enjoyable)

paraphillias do not equal predators just as disorders like npd don't make you abusers. in fact, there's study that says childhood abuse can increase the chance of having a paraphillia and a study saying not all CSA offenders have pedophillia (this is mostly a current issue thing but still relevant) plus, P-OCD is a real subset of OCD, just as Moral OCD is, which censorship mindset can definitely exacerbate due to the nature of them.

FICTION IS NOT ONE TO ONE WITH REALITY. DO NOT CONFUSE YOUR UNCOMFORTABLENESS OR BEING UPSET WITH GENUINE HARM.

it is heavily encouraged to explore in fiction! make stuff bad, get constructive crit, work on your skills, put in the work to get good and leave! comments! everywhere! think you're annoying? NO! KEEP COMMENTING! CREATIVES LOVE KNOWING THE THOUGHTS OF THEIR AUDIENCE! can't think of anything? a smiley face or a heart is just as good! take ao3's "kudos"!

related; share, spread, talk about, make fan content of fan content, feed the fandom ecosystem!! this isn't a store, don't practice consumerism! anything is good enough! "oh but i can only make memes" amazing! "i can only make stick figures" that's great! "i'm not good at writing" that's okay! you can ask around for help! no man is an island and fandom should be a community that thrives on supporting creators and sharing the love for a media or anything else!

we should not be built on hate, there's too much of that in the world already. be kind, be nice, and if you can't say something nice, then don't say anything at all.

[remusawoooo]

came across a very lame and obviously unoriginal anti-w0lfstar post that was written to uplift pr0ngsf0ot claiming canon plausibility as the reason. (honestly, pr0ngsf0ot is compelling by itself idk this new surge of remus/w0lfstar hate but wtv- they are fictional so you do you ig)

*censoring cause i dont want this post to clog up shipper space, its not for that.

this is a rant post so feel free to skip but know that none of this is ever directed to my lovely mutuals. i am usually the type to block and move if you genuinely annoy me (which you all dont <3)

so, a hot take: Sirius is really not as obsessed with James as you all make it out to be, in canon.

is that his best friend? absolutely

did he love him very much? duh

was he devoted or wanted to dedicate his life to James? that's where you lose me icl

if anything James was more interested in entertaining sirius, in the one prominent memory we see of them. there is enough context clues and testimonies to conclude that they were very close. and this is what interested me to ship and explore their dynamic (not a post to say you can only ship with canon hints. im just talking within the topic of my rant lol). there is only one person sirius shows utmost devotion to and that's Harry. that's his godSON, his heir and honestly his everything post Halloween.

it is entirely surprising to me how definitive sirius // james shippers sound when they claim it would be more or most canon. both r/s and j/s operate on the same level of delusion and are informed by canon. yes, I think there is a great possibility in canon that sirius was into james- i love the appeal of pining and even heartbreak if not reciprocated. (I also accept this pining and heartbreak in remus//james if anyone is into that wink wink) similarly, I think that remus and sirius could be romantic starting anywhere in the timeline. a boyish sweet love or secret longing and heartbreak or coming together in their tragedy as adults. endless possibilities, it seems, for all of them.

Anyway, back to the point of this post. its insane to me when w0lfstar in particular gets pushback with emphasis on canon like there isn't chemistry and history between them right on the pages. its not a magnified reading. its there. in their dialogue, their physicality and its Harry clocking all of this. these are two alive and kicking characters in the books that shippers read. idek how many times this has to be said. people genuinely believed this relationship would lead to queer representation in the book, explicit or implied. people did not have hindsight, believed jkr to be a better person lmao. you don't have to accept this reading but you also cannot be so narrow that you refuse to see this reading as a valid experience for other people.

once again, you don't have to ship w0lfstar. at all. maybe the popularity and general hype is the annoying part. there are many reasons to not engage with new age w0lfstar shippers btw. but god this "stanning fictional characters" or hating one immensely for the benefit of another, unironically, is so corny. giving stan twt like what imaginary competition is happening?

another thing that ticks me off is the notion that w0lfstar are not close at all. yeah, i do complex magic to help out people i don't really like for the hell of it as well. ik there will be some justification to those who want to prove their point by any means. "sirius is smart so he wanted to do advanced magic" "he actually did it for james" or wtv else comes up. idk how to tell you that marauders are friends first of all. yes, james and sirius are closer but there is no hierarchy with remus. he is not as close obviously, but he is also on the edges by all of their character designs. sirius, in his recounts, never talks of remus as someone below him or largely excluded, just as someone who was conforming, compliant and the "good boy". it is also quite clear in their communication that they were good friends. james first befriended the quiet kid cause he liked him, supported him financially because that is his good friend. he did not act out of pity. that is a great disservice to his character as well.

this is my personal take/opinion. sirius would obviously mention his relationship with james to harry and not remus' and his friendship. i don't think remus and sirius were secretly closer btw, but it is a bit odd that w0lfstar shippers are expected to write james as the #1 priority for sirius when they are not the focus?(this is a very small group of people btw, miniscule in fact. i'm just ranting to rant, not a larger problem) ig my first hot take comes down to this too. you can interpreted the text as you want and that is okay. you can read sirius as obsessed with james but it is not canon. so to dunk on other shippers when they don't share the sentiment is?? mind you, i am well aware of w0lfstar shippers sidelining or flanderizing james in their interpretations and have ranted about that too many times not that that's relevant here. just pointed out in case anyone misinterprets lol

ship anything man idc but saying w0lfstar has no canon support or to insinuate that w0lfstar shippers are shipper pilled (this made me laugh, what are you doing at the coven meeting friend?) is a bit ?? my point, if there is any, hypocrites piss me off or maybe its the lack of self-awareness? how to interpret the dynamics, character reactions in au, canon divergence, fiction is really all up to you. you can honestly remove remus and replace him with gilderoy lockhart in the marauders for all i care, its fictional. but you can't bring up canon and say something blatantly false to rag on shippers of a ship you don't like. that's just silly now. extremely condescending as well.

[thevillainsfangirl]

I just saw someone hating on Jarley and saying "DNI if you ship abuse," and one of their favorite ships is Har1vy. And that is just SO funny because...

[sacred-pro-fiction]

Ppl on twitter be like:

💗 Hiii, so, first thing to know about me: I hate kinksters and degenerate queers 😊 I also hate ppl having fun or sex and i hate blasphemers and heretics and anti-censorship and weirdos or ppl with different interests and basically I just hate all kinds of people-!! <3 💗

💝💗💕💟 I hope we can be mooties 😊👐🏻 💗💕💟💞

[thenonbinarydetective]

Understanding shipping actually means you can call a ship dogshit if it's filled with ableism and character assassination

EDIT: and also including pedophilia/grooming because Jason was a child while Roy was an adult

[theejael]

something something ah shit here we go again

[autistic-katara]

oh my god can ppl find a reason to ship/not ship something that’s in the middle of a ship war w/o trying to make out the other character to be the worst person in existence? honest to god it’s not that hard to say “this ship doesn’t work for me bcz of xyz” u rlly do not need to go “uhhh actually no it’s not character a that’s a horribly racist asshole who thinks SA is cool (that’s so stupid wtf, they barely did anything), its character b. did u not see how they [smallest thing possible]??? can’t believe the hypocrisy u have going on here…” like seriously PLEASE u do not have to justify urself to this level it just makes everything 10x more annoying

[wormchamp72]

APOLOGY 2 THE BAKUDEKU FANDOM.

I am sorry for the rift I have caused in the already tumultuous fandom environment of Bakudeku discourse. I see now the error of my ways. I will not be so quick 2 judge in the future.

I see now that Bakudekus (supporters of Bakudeku) are the underdogs. They are beaten down time and time again by the other "shippers" of the BNHA (Boko no Hero Academia) fandom. Though I myself am more inclined 2 Tododeku, I have decided 2 push that all aside in favor of supporting the downtrodden.

I do not understand. But I will try.

We must learn 2 accept and embrace what is different than ourselves (as long as it is not hurting anyone, like how Brayden or Maximus P. do. Or Todobakus)

I am here 2 unite the two sides of the BNHA fandom. Proshippers and antishippers must come together 2 see the Bakudeku light. Once and for all, the social bigwigs will cower as we march ever steadily on towards enlightenment.

Bakudeku is not just a ship...it's a social movement.

Pros...antis...aren't we all just human?

[vonclosen]

vent. sorry i’m honesty hangry and upset

actually i’m still annoyed. has anyone in this damn fandom heard of filtering tags. for shit. they don’t like

also like not to be ‘what about’ but seriously if your biggest problems are fucking shipping wars on tumblr dot com i envy you. truly.

[connoisseur-of-love]

types of shippers:

the VERY specific high mantience elderly dog: like they can only enjoy a ship under certain conditions, its very hard for them to activtivly ship things.

or

they only enjoy a specifc kind of ship (like they can ONLY ship old man for example, or ONLY enemies to lovers)

drunken pirate who leads the ship: likes any and all types of ships. you think they might have a type, but then suddenly features a ship totally different than the status quo you thought they had.

they also, steal and scrap up any sort of ship material. regardless of how rare it is or how it makes no sense to the storyling

but also, they can feel extremley strongly to certain ships (aka-hate)

Multishipper angel: they have no hatrid, they love all ships. notably ones of there favourite characters

frequents poly shipping and is just living and enjoying life.

Antishipper: either a massive bitch, hypocrite or conservative belif puritan!

I feel like theres more, but these are the ones that I have thought of at the moment

add more and describe them if chosen

(yes i am aware that angel and pirate can be considered the same-leave me alone)

[shadelorde]

Kataang shippers point out the actual misogyny and colonialism in popular Zutara shipping without saying they’re “delusional” for their ship not being canon challenge (failed)

[ct-hardcase]

that viral 'hardest job in the world' video but it's shipping osha and qimir in the context of the characters that they are on the screen

[kaeyaswifefromsnezhnaya]

Why did they even come up with the idea that children characters shouldn't be drawn as adults at all, as if they'll never grow up, yeah... Is it like because we saw them as children, and now it's problematic to watch them as adults? Lol

It's like they're chained to their childhood, they're not allowed to grow up, drink, smoke, fuck, swear, although it would be better if they did it as children? It's become such a taboo topic that children aren't drawn as adults even just like that, without any reference to the ship, just like, well, old Klee with beer, Klee is a student, Klee is doing something somewhere, isn't that interesting, why not think about her future? After all, people like to look at adult characters as children, it reveals them from a different side, because age is one of the aggregate states, and accordingly, focusing only on a character who is not growing is somehow... one-sided (and most importantly, there are a lot of arts with small characters, they love to shrink them, and sometimes it even looks kind of strange, when, for example, in a pairing one suddenly starts caring about the child version of the other, but lol, isn't this problematic in their rhetoric? Why is this even allowed?)

Age has become a sentence on the vibe. Although this is just an aggregate state, the point is only in what moment we look at the character's story and his conflict - at the beginning, if it is a child, in the middle (in full swing), if it is a young person or at the climax/after the end, when it is an adult. If the same Kaeya was made playable in his childhood period, before betrayals and everything else, would everyone not care? Would he cease to be human? Some adults have long since passed the conflict and are now swimming in its consequences, like Diluc, but since he is an adult, it does not bother anyone, although all the flavor is left behind and we were not witnesses to it? What is the problem with children, I do not get it.

And in fact, on the contrary, it is fresh, that all this is in its infancy, that Klee is still small, that everything is presented this way, that everything is ambiguous, I might not have wanted an adult Klee from the beginning, isn't she special in this? There are far fewer children in genshin than adults, it's just interesting...

All adults were children, and all children will grow up, and stop being so afraid of this, it is not scary to turn on your own imagination

Yes, it's not like there's such a social concept as "don't draw children as adults", but it often goes so far as to actually try to ban lol, although the main thing is that no one cares about children. Absolutely no one cares, yes, you heard right. Children are used only as cute elements of cute situations, as children of some pairings, as insignificant details, children are often not even depicted realistically, the way real children would behave, so that they would be at least a little interesting to watch, they are just cute little pictures and... that's it. Who cares who they are? Who will they grow up to be? That even now, at their small level, they already have their own experiences and problems? Of course, there is interesting content with them, but how much have fandoms become massively indifferent to children. They used to be more involved, I remember, lol

Although you know, fighters against pedophilia, if there was more content with adult versions of children, it would cover lolicon, it would at least help not to stumble upon it only, when you type in the name of a child character in the search, with whom there is only this, because he is only interesting to perverts, isn't it sad, huh? If adults were not called children, if they did not say "you drew this character as an adult because you want to sexualize him!!", fine. Then go to the pedophiles who sexualize still small children. Just drawing someone as an adult is not yet sexualization. Often this is written under sfw art and I just "???" .. Moreover, adults have sex, and you can't do anything about it. Coming to content where adult characters are drawn doing adult things and and babbling something about children is absolutely absurd.

This post turned out pretty long, but I just decided to write everything I thought about on this topic. I'm tired of chronically online kids mixing all the concepts together and erasing their original meaning because they want attention. I wish things were called by their proper names again and perverts were real perverts and not those who fall under the hot hand of a bored irl child

(And also, how could I forget that showing emotions, crying, playing with toys, eating candy and fooling around is a privilege only for children! All adults are stern silent daddies and mommies, thinking only about sex and taxes. This understanding of life is not fetishization at all, no, these are weighty reasonable arguments, yeah.) (lmfao I can't)