#anti puritan culture

[iminaworldofpureimagination]

as someone who's been in fandoms since 2005 I can say that helluva boss was made for the teenagers growing up in the 2000s esp us invader zim ZADR shippers. its obvious how much influence shows like zim maybe billy/mandy as well.. had on hb as well as disney musicals.. just shippers in general.. it feels like it was made for the shipping side of the fandom.. it probably was..

and eyeing the discourse for caitlyn/vi in arcane as well as helluva boss .. . all the hate feels like its from the generation of people who thought that video games cause violence I dunno where this whole judgemental attitude to what people ship/enjoy came from but its a drain on fandoms and i see nothing to gain out of spending all that energy being hateful to things. i have characters i hate shows i dislike and i spend like 2 percent of time on it.. so t his hating for the sake of trying to prove a moral point makes zero sense to me and guilting people /acing like people are bad for enjoying what you deem as toxic in the end is just toxic itself.

I just don't get why people are so hateful these days in fandoms.. fandoms are meant for fun.. not to be a hater. there's a fine line between criticism and hate and man does hb criticism really cross the line to annoying degress

[anaphoraholic]

found this on reddit thought id post it here too 👍

[feralsapientia]

I know there's a lot of people following this account whose kinks come from traumatic events, either when you were young or when you grew up.

I wanted to remind yall that none of us are evil for coping with our trauma in this way. We are not evil for getting turned on by certain situations. As long as everything we do doesn't hurt anyone and it's consensual we do NOT owe anyone anything. You don't have to feel guilty for it.

Doms who have a cnc kink and get off on the thought of raping someone? Not evil. Ageres who enjoy fantasizing about older people taking advantage of them? Not disgusting. Sadomasochists that enjoy causing or receiving harm? Not degenerates.

Hell, even if your kink doesn't come from trauma, unless you harm someone for real without their consent, no one has the right to judge you. Thought crime doesn't exist.

[coockie8]

I saw someone on twitter claim that lolicon/shotacon and other adjacent type tropes only exist because pedophiles know they can't rape children, so they just draw it instead.

And I am not even remotely joking when I ask, if that were 100% factual and not a blatant strawman; how is that a bad thing?

How is someone with a mental illness choosing to cope with their desires through artwork instead of going out and raping a real, living child a bad thing?

Look me in the eyes and explain it like I'm 5 how intentionally going out of your way to avoid hurting a person because you know it would be wrong is bad.

[mistress-of-vos]

I'd make a longer post (and maybe one day I will) but since Lore Olympus, the story that introduced me to webtoons is coming to an end I'd like to say something:

I can't believe it is considered problematic. It has to be one of the sweetest, fluffiest, simplest stories I have read (hence why I still like it, it's a relaxing read before bed) and somehow it got too "kinky" for mainstream. It's laughable.

Everytime I dare to click on their tag or look for the # on Twitter or FB I see people clutching their pearls as if Lore Olympus were brainwashing teenagers into marrying a non existent God of the dead and have babies with him. What the hell?

The fact that people think LO is too dark makes me laugh. A single episode of Rick&Morty, BoJack Horseman or HQS has way more explicit content and dialogue. In fact!!! If it were up to me LO would have gotten genuinely kinky!!! All it does is have some surface spicy tropes that get sugar coated to not make puritans awkward and tbh that's sad. LO and the author get terribly hated anyway for daring to portray the most common female fantasy.

And this all makes me laugh but also mad because you'd think LO at least has some genuine dark themes but no? At most we have Persephone's trauma due to Apollo's abuse and yet that topic is treated as a therapy pamphlet because people couldn't handle an imperfect victim. Hades is a wife guy who shows little to no anger. Hera was re written to be sort of a feminist so that people stopped being annoying about women having emotions.

LO is a sweet, simple story with tiny spicy things here and there that were eventually pushed aside because people couldn't handle it. I wonder how Rachel feels about this, because at the beginning the story was extremely spicy and the only crime was being published in a platform as webtoon, full of people who can't differentiate reality from fiction.

Is LO a masterpiece? Idk! I enjoy the story, it's very self indulgent for me, but I won't go and analyze every detail to see how it should be labeled as it's not meant to be a perfect media. It's meant to be an entertaining, nice story of romance and it does that job very well. This need to demand perfect writing while also crucifying authors over "dark" themes is ridiculous and contradictory.

And I keep wondering, if these people loathe LO so much, why dedicate all that time to the infinte posts they make about how they would have told the story? And all those re tellings are boring! It's always "So Persephone and Hades won't ever kiss here because she's a lesbian. Also he doesn't appear at all. And Demeter isn't an abusive mom! Oh and everyone is ugly because gods shouldn't be beautiful! And Apollo isn't evil he's uwu baby. And no toxic relationships here, Zeus is a good husband!"

Sweet Gaia, you guys wouldn't handle Saint Seiya having Athena in the body of a teenage girl with big tits and who's constantly in the edge of breaking her virginity vows. This attitude screams of jealousy and puritanism and both are disgusting.

TLDR: LO being too problematic for people is both funny and annoying. I wished it actually were as kinky and dark as people insist it is. I'd pay for a toxic romance, but that being said, I LOVE it very much as it is and it's nice to have a re telling that, while not pretending to be loyal to mythology, didn't go for a route of sanitizing all the myths. I hope that once it ends haters will move on and let real fans and the author alone. 🙏

[honey-flustered]

I just saw a post on the x reader tag complaining about smut writers and I just have to go off on a little rant.

That poster complains that if you can only read or write smut then you have a porn addiction which is an absurd and hyperbolic claim to make in itself but the vitriol that people have for those who have actual porn addictions is sad. Porn addiction is addiction. Addiction affects people’s life to the point where it is detrimental to that individual’s life to the point where it’s hardly functional. There are people with actual addictions struggling with that shit. Writing and reading smut on motherfucking tumblr.com isn’t a fucking addiction. No one’s hurting anyone. Not even you annoying fuckers who read posts that clearly aren’t meant for you.

People like this make it hard for writers on tumblr to write anything because purity culture and the morality police wants to dictate what people write as if the smut genre isn’t a whole industry in itself (literal smut novelists out there making money off this shit). Don’t fucking come into a smut tag if you are going to complain about smut, don’t complain about smut when a post boldly specifies smut and has all its warning. It’s so fucking weird to complain about something you do not wish to see only to voluntarily expose yourself to it. It’s giving miserable and i hope you find happiness.

I write what I want and I am a horny ass bitch and I don’t have to be ashamed of it because women can have agency over their own sexuality, on their own terms. Feel free to block me if you can’t handle that.

Rant done.

[whereserpentswalk]

There's something so aggressively American about the fact that batman's penis being shown in a completely nonsexual context, in an adults only issue, was considered extremely controversial, while batman has regularly been allowed to commit extreme acts of violence that basically ruin his characterization to the point where the hyperviolent version of him is now his mainstream character. Like, this is a character people are fixated on making more mature and edgy, but the one time someone drew a penis on him, a body part roughly 49% of humans have, that was too far somehow. Like, I get that it's an old controversy but it's so revealing about our culture, if you're ok with batman branding someone in a mainstream depiction you should be ok with him being depicted with a penis (something we were always lead to assume he had).

[pet-shop-of-horror-fan]

I don't know how to explain this to a lot of you but acting like any and all criticism is dangerous and the same book burning or governmental censorship is not owning the right-wingers, it's acting like one.

Being unable to accept criticism is not "fighting purity culture" or "owning the puriteens." It's right-wing behavior. You are all just acting like the dudebros who think feminists are going to take their games away because they heard some anti-feminism claim it so. Or those who cry about cancel culture while their favorite celebrities get even more attention after their crimes have been brought to light.

And even if you have a point buried somewhere in your crying, acting like some "puritanical" children have the power to oppress you just shows how much of a whiny edge lord you are.

[thevillainsfangirl]

We should stop calling then "Antis." We're all anti-something, we all strongly dislike or hate something, but those people are something else entirely.

Let's stop calling them "Antis" and start calling them what they are: Fandom Puritans. (Maybe "FPs" or "Fanpurs" for short, Idk.)

[tommyssupercoolblog]

Vent about Antis

obvs this convo would never happen they would be blocked already but. aguhgh.

[alvie-pines]

tbh i feel like people who describe themselves as pro-kink and anti-censorship in media & fandom, and even admit that they share the values of the proship label, but get up all on their high horse about how "calling yourself proship is stupid, im not silly enough to think that fandom discourse matters" are just assholes.

like hey, it matters to me--because its a subculture and hobby space ive been heavily involved in most of my life, and i value having a hobby i can enjoy without having to see conservative values espoused constantly. if i see conservative values being espoused in my subculture, i will align myself against those values. and if my subculture has words for the stances in question, i will use them, because this is the language of the subculture and using it within said subculture is a quick way to communicate a set of ideas.

also really bold of these people to assume that my aligning myself with the 'proship' label means im too stupid to see that the ideas im against exist in larger society. like REALLY fucking bold. i dont know if ive posted about it, but i know i talk with my irl friends about how fandom is a microcosm of usamerican society and anti vs proship discourse is thus a microcosm of the encroaching conservative values in our society. im TRANS, how could i not notice the correlations?

it feels like all of this flows directly from the idea that fandom is a silly, daft, unintelligent hobby and to use the language of fandom to describe your ideas, even within fandom spaces, marks you as stupid and silly.

of course, you don't have to use the proship label, especially if you're not involved in fandom--but calling everyone who does stupid is not a good fucking look. implying that those who use it cant possibly understand the greater political forces at play in our lives is even worse. dare i say, kind of misogynist, even. part of the reason modern fandom (starting with trek) is consistently dismissed as stupid and vapid is because its always been, and still is, a heavily female-dominated space, right? thats something we've agreed on for a while, right? so why is it okay to mock fandom terms and people who participate in fandom as soon as this topic comes up?

[deus-sema]

Why is the existence of a 'protagonist' who isn't error free or has their mistakes validated by the narrative and that of an 'antagonist' who has plausible reasons and motivations influencing their behaviour and actions considered that grave a threat within fiction which, in itself, in a boundless world with infinite possibilities that allows all kinds of stories to co exist?

If someone wants to write fallible heroes, let them. If someone wants to glamourize/romanticize/sexualize/whatever-it-isize the bad guys, let them. On one hand, dudebros can't stop whining about the lack of well written media but the moment someone tries to experiment with new concepts, they collectively lose their minds and try to nip it in the bud.

I just think that one's principles and real life moral compass shouldn't be so fragile that it feels threatened by a nonexistent entity on paper or the screen.

[transsexualfiend]

I strongly encourage you to unfollow and even block people who are constantly posting callouts and bewares for every little thing. YES there are shitty people out there. I'm not denying that. But it is also not safe to be around someone who is constantly digging through other people's social medias to find "bad things", especially when their idea of "bad things" is rooted in fear and misunderstanding, rather than an actual experience with said person.

For example I followed this person who would put people's FULL ACCOUNTS on blast and even dox them and say "BLOCK AND REPORT THIS PERSON because they're a CREEP and most likely a PEDOPHILE, R4PIST, ZOOPHILE, and POSSIBLE ABUSER!!!". Now naturally you want to believe someone when they say they are the victim of something. But that isn't what's happening here. This is a case of "Your kinkyness grossed me out and your sexuality is too vulgar for my tastes, so I will be attempting to put your life and privacy at risk". For this specific example, no evidence was provided to summarize why all of these extreme words were used, so out of curiosity I went to the account and... the person was just a trans woman posting furry porn and other nsft ramblings. That is not an offense. That is not abuse or pedophilia or zoophilia. Remind me again how it's "social justice" to keep calling openly sexual trans women predatory?

And I say block these kinds of people (the ones who feel the need to play "neighborhood watch" online) because chances are, eventually they will investigate YOUR business, and you might be found "guilty" of their personal morality crime.

[theshadowsingersraven]

there's something so satisfying about going completely anti purity culture in writing for Azriel & my OC because I think it genuinely benefits him as a character more to have this type of love interest.

No, she's not a sweet, young, innocent creature that's "too good for him." She's kind, yes, but foul-mouthed and stubborn. She's two hundred years old and has taken just as many lives as he has. Loving her helps him realize that the things he hated about himself were just excuses to punish himself. Because she's not a monster when she kills. She's not a monster when she threatens foes, attacks them, or has to wash blood off her hands at the end of the day. So maybe he isn't either. And maybe he needs to stop treating himself like he is.

No, she's not "pure" or still learning to expand her sexual experiences. She's been around for two centuries and was a pirate. She's fucked a lot, actually. And at the end of the day, she'll always want him. Every person she'd been with before falls short of him in her eyes. And I'll be damned if it doesn't feel at least a little good to know that someone after hundreds of years, dozens (potentially hundreds!) of romances, and hook-ups now only wants you. Forever.

No, she's not a gentle bringer of life. She's a lovely-faced reaper sending departed souls, many she's killed, to her Matron's domain. A goddess of death and fate. She is Death, and you should be afraid. But seeing someone who embraces the darkness of death and bindings of fate is a way for Azriel to know that his own darkness wouldn't have to be hidden. Neither have ever feared one another. And he'd know that they both bear the same weight on their souls after hundreds of years of fighting. But she's open, feisty, passionate, and brave. And maybe Azriel could learn how to be a bit more open from her, knowing that she carries similar trauma.

No, she's not in the process of finding her true identity. She's her own woman, well into her years, and confident that she knows who she is, what she wants, and what she stands for. Having someone unafraid, feisty, and independent pushing back against Azriel’s overprotective nature helps keep him in check. There's not a man alive that can tell her what to do, station be damned--including Azriel. She's aggressive, at times downright disrespectful, and absolutely laughed in Cassian’s face when she accidentally broke his nose in a sparring match.

Oh, and bonus points: they're mates!

just a note: this isn't an attack against a character in particular, nor are these character qualities inherently bad. they are just bad for Azriel and I like showing what I think is better with ✨examples.✨

[darkosomatsuconfessions]

No idea why incest is so normalized in this fandom. I understand this is a "ship and let ship" space but it's simply?? No?? You can have a problematic ship to explore how it ruins and makes the psyche, but to fetishise it is deplorable. I don't think y'all understand what's wrong with incest or don't understand how it can change how you perceive the world and others. It's not just a "lol sensitive anti" thing it's more of a "I am normalizing and fetishising a real-world issue that causes lots of mental harm and anguish, and am spreading it all over the internet for all the wrong people to possibly see (ex: minors, mentally ill people, or people who are traumatized)", which kinda reminds of the whole "sending serial killers love letters" or putting flower crowns over images of serial killers' head's thing.

I understand if this is just something a lot of people can't grasp, but gosh it really grinds my gears.

And if you absolutely refuse to put me on your blog SIMPLY because I'm an anti, then gosh golly gee-wizz, that'd be areal bummer but I guess I'll just go throw up elsewhere.

Nobody is supporting actual incest and fiction isn’t reality (the comparaison to sending serial killers love letters is completely irrelevant since the serial killers and their victims are real, the Matsus aren’t)

I’ll publish your ask since there was no hate speech, death/rape threats or other disgusting shit antis do, but you should know that purity culture and pro-censorship sentiments aren’t really welcome here

Anyway if you can’t stand incest that much maybe don’t watch the edgy adult show where Oso and Jyushi almost kiss in season 1 episode 1

[mishastiel]

This hate wave on Sabrina Carpenter is pissing me off so bad. It's a prime example on how people will lose all their respect for someone they once deemed as "innocent", "pure" and "clean" the second that person does anything related to sexuality.

The way I'd rarely see any hateful comment about her but the second she started performing Juno she's a whore and a bitch and a bop and all the names in the book. People view sexuality, especially women's, as something so dirty and degrading that it's worth losing all the regard they once had for that person.