#anti korrasami shippers

[coye]

Bro, Korrasami shippers who hate Mako are weird as hell. Korra played a role too as to why Makorra was toxic and unbearable. Why do they love to clear Korra of her accountability and pretend she was innocent? Mako isn’t a misogynistic pig. He’s not the villain. 😫

[atla-confessions]

“What's crazy is when makorra shippers talk about how Korra and Asami are horrible toxic people and Mako is their victim, but also complain that Korra should be with Mako and not Asami. Korrasami quarantines the big bad mean girls that bullied Mako, so now they'll keep each other busy and won't victimize poor Mako anymore! Isn't this a win-win situation?”

I know I’m not on anon btw

The main complaint from makorra shippers is that korrasami shippers hate on mako and make him the sole reason as to why makorra didn’t work out. Korrasami shippers mainly paint mako as the bad guy without acknowledging asami and korra’s role in the love triangle. I don’t know where you korrasami shippers get that info from but I hope that clears that up.

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[kittenfangirl20]

Kataang is not a healthy relationship, a healthy relationship doesn’t have someone kiss the other person without seeking consent for the kiss twice. One of those times Katara had stated that she didn’t know if she was ready for romance before Aang kissed her without her consent. I am honestly offended that anyone thinks Kataang is anywhere near as good as Korrasami.

[hotgirlkorra]

Why do Korrasami shippers always throw Korra under the bus. Korra is NOT a dumbass.

[sapphic-agent]

"If I was surprised at anything, it may have been that it seemed like people were less willing to let her make mistakes than they were with Aang."

I hate Bryke's guts, but the one thing I will agree with him (Bryan) on is this.

I've gotten heat from Aang stans for saying this, but for me Korra will always be a better written character for me. Not because Aang's childish and optimistic and naive or anything like that. That doesn't matter to me. Hell, it's not even for his actions during DOBS or EIP or Kataang. Sure, those things aren't great, but they aren't the issue with his character.

It's not about Aang's actions, it's about how Aang's actions are treated by the narrative.

This is nothing new obviously, I've said this before. Many times. Aang kissing Katara in EIP is treated as him messing up his chances with her, not because he forced something on her she didn't want. The kiss in DOBS doesn't even come up again in the show (and when it did in the comics, Aang blew up and nearly melted her face off so-). I've spoken enough about his holier-than-thou attitude in TSR too and how his message of forgiveness is perpetuated as the right one.

It's one thing that is 100% better in LOK; Korra is held accountable for her actions, by the narrative, the other characters, and herself. A big part of LOK is Korra acknowledging her actions and making the effort to change and be better.

A great counter to Aang repeatedly crossing boundaries with Katara is in Reunion when she warns Asami about trusting Hiroshi and Asami calls her out on giving unsolicited advice. Korra immediately backs off and tries to apologize when she sees that she upset her.

Now compare this to Aang's behavior in TSR or EIP.

And before anyone says it, I know Korra's older. I also know Asami reconnecting with her father is different than Katara wanting to kill Yon Rha. I get all of that.

But honestly? That doesn't matter to me. Because when you're talking about fictional characters- especially character progression and development for the protagonist- addressing flaws is important. Accountability is important. Especially when it comes to how they treat the people around them (love interests like Asami and Korra probably being the most important).

This is what solidifies Korra's character development as being better than Aang's for me.

However, I do think it's because of this framing (and the fact that she's a woman, but shh) that Korra gets more hate. Her flaws being addressed also means that they're constantly apparent. The audience is always aware of them. Whereas Aang's worse actions tended to be brushed over or excused. Or the context of those mistakes were maneuvered to make the audience feel bad for him instead of the one affected by his actions (EIP EIP EIP EIP).

So yes, Bryan, people were more willing to let Aang make mistakes because you and your bestie failed to actually address them

[makiquas]

Its Butchtober. Bear with me for a second as I rant about children's cartoon ships, butchphobia, the conditional acceptance of butches in sapphic spaces on the basis of desirability, and feeling erased as a butch kid.

It's so funny that I realised early on as a 2000-2010s teen/kid how a lot of so called "sapphics" of social media are really, really anti butch4butch, only by interacting with certain subsets of Catradora and Appledash haters. It may be flippant to connect butchphobia with children's cartoons, but you cannot deny it is there. We finally had two canon butch4butch and masc4masc lesbian animated ships. And the fandoms decided that the best possible reaction to this is to violently hate on the ships for bullshit reasons and write up masterdocs about how the butch character actually looks better with a femme character instead (in both cases–Rarity and Glimmer, who is arguably feminine but not femme, but that's a conversation for another day, how the SPOP fandom waters down gender identities for aesthetics).

This is not just about two cartoon ships; this mindset of seeing two masc lesbians and immediately going "actually they act like bros; but this BUTCHFEMME couple has real chemistry" comes off sounding really, really bad in 2024 when you have no idea how butch identity operates, outside of depicting us as pants-wearing sexually aggressive muscular women. Butches ARE bros, even the ones who kiss each other. Camaraderie and tomboyish swagger *is* a part of their life. It's not our fault you are too fanfic trope-pilled to read these interactions are sexless friendship bantering.

It's also quite concerning, given how there are only a handful of butch4butch books in the market, and almost all of them talk about the stigmatizing of relationships between two butches/studs/masc lesbians. There are many butch lesbians who themselves face internalized butchphobia because of societal standards and expectations of being turned into the "gallant" provider of femmes. Butch and femme are not always inherently complementary, butches can be attracted to other butches, there is no "natural order" model of lesbian/sapphic attraction and your thinly veiled butchphobia is really off-putting, given you guys don't seem to extend that same rhetoric to mascfemme ships like Korrasami or Caitvi, or femme-femme ships like Harlivy.

Here, I must mention relationships like Rei and Kaoru from Oniisama E, or Jess and Lupe from A League of Their Own, who have bucket loads of chemistry but still have some vehement antis only because both the lesbians are masculine. (What's funny is the new wave of lesbian Oniisama E fans are almost all Rei/Kaoru shippers despite the show putting them into two butchfemme pairings.) Something something to be butch4butch is to be failing the tests of palatability and desirability according to conventional models of societal norms. Forever.

Again, one may have valid reasons for disliking these fictional ships (what, I genuinely don't know). But it *is* weird that you guys can watch fifty white fem4fem sapphic shows in a year and read 100+ GL with the same feminine girlish blonde and brunette/pink haired archetype and not bat an eyelid, but conjure a world of made-up "platonic" dynamics just because you read every butch4butch interaction as fundamentally platonic.

A lot of you love to throw around Stone Butch Blues as a catchphrase to educate strangers on the internet about 1950s-70s blue-collar bar culture and USA butch femme history, but how many of you actually know that within the book itself, the lead character acts prejudiced and hates on another butch for being butch4butch? How many of you know that she apologizes to her friend at the end for her hateful remarks? Fun fact: when you ostracize a butch for not fitting into your butch-femme subculture aesthetic, you're no better than lesbiphobic bigots actually.

Anyway, here are some butch4butch resources if you are a baby butch4butch and feel alienated by these kinds of weird rhetoric in online and fandom queer spaces too:

Butch4Butch romance books

My Butch4Butch books masterdoc (**being updated regularly**)

Leo Wilder's Butch4Butch writing (18+)

Butch4Butch photography archive (insta)

Boyish² Butch4Butch yuri anthology (insta)

@milsae Butch4Butch artist (tumblr/insta)

This post is made by a trans masc butch of color. Terfs, racists, biphobes and radfems kindly do not derail or interact.

[olderthannetfic]

https://olderthannetfic.tumblr.com/post/747087104725729280/who-are-all-these-people-getting-harassed-and#notes

Can only speak about what I experienced or my friends, but I remember that during the Legend of Korra there was a lot of this shit. Especially when the KorrAsami ship became more popular. There was also a growing dislike of any M/F shippers, and a lot of anti-bisexuality for Korra and Asami, despite them both having dated a guy, and nothing to imply that they're no bisexual anymore. The fact that they ended up together was apparently enough to bring out the knives to any "bisexual" shippers.

Bubbline, aka Princess Bubblegum and Marceline also got the anti-bi treatment for Marcie, and people getting angry if you did the ship wrong.

And last but not least: STEVEN UNIVERSE! Oh girls, boys and NB'joys. There were a lot of different F/F ships, but during the entire run and especially by the end of SU, if you dared do it wrong there were knives. You couldn't ship Pearl/Garnet because that's abuse. You can't ship Pearl/Rose because it's abuse. Amethyst/Pearl: Abuse. Garnet/Amethyst: Abuse. Lapis/Jasper: Abuse. Peridot/Lapis: Abuse. Garnet/Jasper: Abuse. Pearl/Jasper: Abuse. Amethyst/Jasper: Abuse. Peridot/Amethyst: Not abuse surprisingly but that one's also bad. Diamonds/their Pearls: Abuse. Don't you even fucking dare try doing any M/F ships with the gems, because they're all "lesbian coded" and if you still did it: Knives. Honestly, every ship was somehow bad, and if you got swept up with the wave on antis you'd get attacked for your ship. It was exhausting, especially following fan art. But it was also a real good show of anti hypocrisy because every anti would ship their fave F/F regardless, and would just twist another ship to be the bad one, and they can ship their ship because they're smarter.

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[punkeropercyjackson]

Every Kataang vs Zutara argument since the start has been only 2 things

A Zutara shipper attacks a Kataang shipper,often on a properly tagged post

A Zutara says something extremely bigoted and a Kataang shipper calls them gross for it and the Z/K shipper whines 'it's only fiction'

That's literally all this is.That's all it's ever been.All Kataang shippers have done is exist and have a moral backbone and all Zutara shippers have ever done is ignore and shit on Atla's radicalization messages and positive representation because they were so focused on their crush on Zuko they refused to absorb any of it and same goes for his redemption arc that was about him unlearning propaganda,giving reperations and breaking the cycle of abuse by becoming a pseudo-dad to Aang so he could heal his inner child,help out traumatized kids like he used to be and grow up to be his abuser's opposite to twist it into liberal 'Privileged people can never be abusers because it's just the way they were raised and shouldn't be blamed' bullshit and never have to self-reflect even though that was the whole thing that started the famous 'Zuko style redemption arc' phrase and show they asses as poser comrades since they think anarchism and activism is 'violence good' and nothing else

Zutara shippers do not have a right to start fights with Kataang shippers for posting anti Zutara or pro Kataang if the posts are tagged properly and i've noticed a certain few specific users on here who deliberately seek out those posts to 'debunk' and condesend the ops when nobody asked,nobody cares and nobody likes them and this is exactly what i mean with Z/K stans' extremist bigotry.Aang may not be real but the buddhists and tibetans and traumatized children you're insulting with your words of him are.Zuko may not be real but the asian men and mentally ill parental abuse victims and physically disabled people you're fetishizing with your potrayals of him are.Katara may not be real but the native women and punk women and adultitified girls you're degrading by erasing her radicalism are.Atla is not just a fictional cartoon,it's a mirror into our world's minorities told as a story and if it just a fictional cartoon,why don't Zutara shippers let it go?Zutara was never even offered to them and Zukka is not only not 'just Zutara but gay' since the dynamics are super different and Sokka is Katara's opposite but also a point in Zukka's favor seeing as Z/S shippers always ship Kataang,Korrasami and pretty much any combo of the TLA era girls and sometimes even perfer them to Zukka so it's plenty obvious they don't hate women and literally half of them ARE women with a fair amount of trans women specifically so they're's way more feminist Zukkas than they're are feminist Zutaras,who mind you are one thee definers for gender essentialist and ciscentric ships and shippers groups

Zutara shippers are not a minority.Nobody hates Zutara out of internalized misogyny because wanting Katara to date Zuko is not rooted in feminism and neither is having a crush on Zuko yourself on it's own and i say this as a Zuko selfshipper that made an Atlasona to be with him after reading the comics.New Atla kids don't deserve to have their experiences ruined by oldies who think ageism and gatekeeping is a term only for adults and when people tell you not to be bigots and roast you for it because bigotry is a very,very,VERY real thing in every context and you don't get to get away with it because you're saying to someone online or about depictions of real minorities.If somebody insults you for being a Zutara shipper,then you definitely used Zutara as an excuse to do something to earn it first.Zutara is not activism and Aang was and still is more revolutionary than your palpable ship could ever be and you hated him for it because you're jealous of him just like you are irl anarchists,activists and poc like him because we prioritize being good people over being normal and you were taught that's bad and that it means we must be 'on the wrong side' for it because you want him to be since once again,wished to date Zuko too much to learn from him instead or to let Katara be anything at all.Kataang shippers aren't to blame for that-You are.It's time to grow up

[asura22zoro]

on the but they broke up argument

I made it obvious multiple times how i feel korrasami in the end was just a last minute retcon ( as in they admitted that when the finale was being made to throw in korrasami because they didnt include lgbt rep before and I partly think it was due to the fact lok was running out of publciity stuntand k/a provided that

I am sorry to say but korrasami being the one queer ship thats canon in lok is irrelevant bad writing is bad writing good writing is more important then the genders involved even if it means that as a result there wouldnt be a same sex ship in lok ( its not like they couldnt include same sex ships lgbt stuff in the future of the series. The notion that if you care about/support the lgbt community you should automatically support korrasami just on the basis of korrasami being a same sex ship is idiotic. being against korrasami doesnt equal being against gay people anti korrasami isnt homophobic. shipping isnt activism

we see tons of ship wars between het ships so why shouldnt there be ships wars between a het ship and same sex ship how is opposing the same sex ship automatically homophobic ( they seem to use it as a shield from criticism

why

would everyone automatically support the same sex ship when that doesnt happen when a het ship becomes canon

so they made it happen at the cost of breaking the narrative and making korra ooc.

certain korra and asami are not compatible personality wise for a romantic relationship given their different needs and handling of conflict

and the narrative pointed to makorra eventually getting backtogether

korrasami shippers will try to claim they broke up due to incompatibility or insult mako to raise up their ship when the truth is they broke up due to mutual flaws neither of them were ready for a relationship with anyone.

they both showed that they will always love each other and the way the b2finale happened pointed to them getting back together.

the issue wasnt that they argued ( arguing isnt inherently unhealthy arguing can be healthy have you heard the term arguing like an old married couple ( I even reblogged post by fantastic-nonsense that went into that

by b4 mako and korra overcame those flaws

I always roll my eyes at the but they broke up as if we haven't seen tons of shows where a couple at first breaks up but gets back together later after some development

or times where while two characters love each other its after some development for if they were in relationship at the start it would have been unhealthy

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seriously hasnt this person heard of the like old married couple trope “Two characters who seem very comfortable with each other to the point that it seems like they have been married for a long time, though obviously it doesn't apply to couples who actually have been together for a long time. Usually it is done through constant arguments with each other, as only people who are so closely bonded can have such open communication between them”

arguing in a relationship doesnt equal unhealthy

the b2 finale was shot in away that makorra shippers believed they would eventually getting backtogether (after they matured and solved their mutual flaws ( korra wouldnt have worked with anyone in b2 )

it had romantic tension

kirbyspits . tumblr . com/post/639871356603908096/

We have hand holding…

Trouble parting ways…

Forehead touches…

Kissing…

Declarations of eternal love…

there are alot of shows where a couple which broke up got back together later on

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fantastic-nonsense . tumblr . com/post/111785796250/on-book-2makorra-korras-mentality-about

fantastic-nonsense . tumblr . com/post/111620875135/could-you-take-each-of-makorra-book-2-arguments

2. fantastic-nonsense . tumblr . com/post/108192845975/what-made-makorra-fail-in-book-2-and-what-might

asura22zoro . tumblr . com/658908110062223360/fantastic-nonsense-that-video-is-quite-literally?source=share

[i-am-extremely-mad]

Anyway... bloggers like asura22zoro are still pathetic losers who do nothing but reblogging 8 years old disgusting anti-korrasami posts from mostly the same few super toxic anti-korrasami bloggers like ikkin//thekitsune,fanta//stic-non//sense, bobbityhobbity, firelx//dykatara and taka//shi0. Of course they also reblogging posts against other wlw ships that has become canon in recent years including of course the recent bumbleby. The saddest thing, if not just pathetic, is how anti wlw ships arguments are repeated over and over again, only the names have been changed: 

taka//shi0:

“Bumbleby's canon now, cool, great. That on its own isn't anything to be mad over since they were setting that up all the way back in Volume 2 even before this fandom became a complete cesspit (And I'm pretty sure Monty even approved of it), so yay, actually good WLW representation, good job M&K you did it. 

Except now the Wasps, who already have a long and extremely detailed history of being a nuisance to literally everyone else in the fandom, from directly harassing members of the show staff to butting into the posts of other ships like fucking Kpop idiots telling people to ship BB instead or kill themselves and then crying like they're a victim of """lesbophobia""" when those people tell them to fuck off, will now proceed to become even MORE insufferable like the Korrasami shippers did because they "Won." 

To anyone who ships Black/Sun, Freezer/burn, Mono/chrome, or anything else that involves Blake or Yang: you have my sympathies, and be prepared for a bunch of Sore Winners making your time in the fandom even shittier.”

I swear I've seen similar almost word for word arguments against korrasami (and against other canon wlw ships that came later), including pretending to be victims of toxic shippers and how people will call them homophobes/lesbophobes.

[coye]

People saying @avatarskorra handled the hate well are seriously misguided. She should never have been attacked by a hateful group over her post. It's crazy how some people seem okay with harassment as long as it's aimed at a ship they dislike. Praising her for putting up with such hate is wrong; she doesn’t deserve it, and enduring that kind of treatment is not something to celebrate. Many claim to be against harassment, but their actions show otherwise. It seems like their anti-harassment stance only applies to ships they like. They say they hate toxic fandom culture, but when it suits them, suddenly harassment is acceptable. It’s disturbing to congratulate someone for suffering abuse, and it’s clear that this treatment is not okay just because it targets someone they disagree with. I’ve seen antis attack people for shipping completely harmless pairs too, so I never bought their idea that they only go after problematic content.

[atla-confessions]

korrasami shippers bringing up mako cheating but act like korra isn’t a homewrecker who got with mako while he was with asami. Korra, the homewrecker violated asami as another woman, then started dating asami at the end is such bad writing. asami is the one who deserved a break, but now she’s dating the woman who ruined her relationship with mako. that’s the main reason I dislike korrasami. asami deserved better than to be with korra. I’m so serious about this. korra is the villain. ☹️

C

[swordbending]

I changed my mind. makorras have the worst takes in this fandom.

[hotgirlkorra]

Back in 2012 I thought Makorra shippers were annoying as hell but then most hardcore Makorra shippers jumped ship and became some of the most annoying Korrasami shippers/biggest anti-Makorra. So I guess its not so much the ship but their shippers.

[pidgeonlol]

i think its funny how i like every avatar’s canon pairing except aang’s. like rangshi? god’s gift to this earth. thank you f.c. yee i owe you my life. korrasami? i would perish for both of them. i think of them everyday.

kataang? ...........................

[aroace-mako]

zukka vs. korrasami

definitely korrasami. i honestly don’t ship zukka that much anymore-usually i reblog it just because i like the art

this or that ship ask game