#anti korrasami shippers

[atla-confessions]

“What's crazy is when makorra shippers talk about how Korra and Asami are horrible toxic people and Mako is their victim, but also complain that Korra should be with Mako and not Asami. Korrasami quarantines the big bad mean girls that bullied Mako, so now they'll keep each other busy and won't victimize poor Mako anymore! Isn't this a win-win situation?”

I know I’m not on anon btw

The main complaint from makorra shippers is that korrasami shippers hate on mako and make him the sole reason as to why makorra didn’t work out. Korrasami shippers mainly paint mako as the bad guy without acknowledging asami and korra’s role in the love triangle. I don’t know where you korrasami shippers get that info from but I hope that clears that up.

X

[kittenfangirl20]

Kataang is not a healthy relationship, a healthy relationship doesn’t have someone kiss the other person without seeking consent for the kiss twice. One of those times Katara had stated that she didn’t know if she was ready for romance before Aang kissed her without her consent. I am honestly offended that anyone thinks Kataang is anywhere near as good as Korrasami.

[hotgirlkorra]

Why do Korrasami shippers always throw Korra under the bus. Korra is NOT a dumbass.

[sapphic-agent]

"If I was surprised at anything, it may have been that it seemed like people were less willing to let her make mistakes than they were with Aang."

I hate Bryke's guts, but the one thing I will agree with him (Bryan) on is this.

I've gotten heat from Aang stans for saying this, but for me Korra will always be a better written character for me. Not because Aang's childish and optimistic and naive or anything like that. That doesn't matter to me. Hell, it's not even for his actions during DOBS or EIP or Kataang. Sure, those things aren't great, but they aren't the issue with his character.

It's not about Aang's actions, it's about how Aang's actions are treated by the narrative.

This is nothing new obviously, I've said this before. Many times. Aang kissing Katara in EIP is treated as him messing up his chances with her, not because he forced something on her she didn't want. The kiss in DOBS doesn't even come up again in the show (and when it did in the comics, Aang blew up and nearly melted her face off so-). I've spoken enough about his holier-than-thou attitude in TSR too and how his message of forgiveness is perpetuated as the right one.

It's one thing that is 100% better in LOK; Korra is held accountable for her actions, by the narrative, the other characters, and herself. A big part of LOK is Korra acknowledging her actions and making the effort to change and be better.

A great counter to Aang repeatedly crossing boundaries with Katara is in Reunion when she warns Asami about trusting Hiroshi and Asami calls her out on giving unsolicited advice. Korra immediately backs off and tries to apologize when she sees that she upset her.

Now compare this to Aang's behavior in TSR or EIP.

And before anyone says it, I know Korra's older. I also know Asami reconnecting with her father is different than Katara wanting to kill Yon Rha. I get all of that.

But honestly? That doesn't matter to me. Because when you're talking about fictional characters- especially character progression and development for the protagonist- addressing flaws is important. Accountability is important. Especially when it comes to how they treat the people around them (love interests like Asami and Korra probably being the most important).

This is what solidifies Korra's character development as being better than Aang's for me.

However, I do think it's because of this framing (and the fact that she's a woman, but shh) that Korra gets more hate. Her flaws being addressed also means that they're constantly apparent. The audience is always aware of them. Whereas Aang's worse actions tended to be brushed over or excused. Or the context of those mistakes were maneuvered to make the audience feel bad for him instead of the one affected by his actions (EIP EIP EIP EIP).

So yes, Bryan, people were more willing to let Aang make mistakes because you and your bestie failed to actually address them

[makiquas]

Its Butchtober. Bear with me for a second as I rant about children's cartoon ships, butchphobia, the conditional acceptance of butches in sapphic spaces on the basis of desirability, and feeling erased as a butch kid.

It's so funny that I realised early on as a 2000-2010s teen/kid how a lot of so called "sapphics" of social media are really, really anti butch4butch, only by interacting with certain subsets of Catradora and Appledash haters. It may be flippant to connect butchphobia with children's cartoons, but you cannot deny it is there. We finally had two canon butch4butch and masc4masc lesbian animated ships. And the fandoms decided that the best possible reaction to this is to violently hate on the ships for bullshit reasons and write up masterdocs about how the butch character actually looks better with a femme character instead (in both cases–Rarity and Glimmer, who is arguably feminine but not femme, but that's a conversation for another day, how the SPOP fandom waters down gender identities for aesthetics).

This is not just about two cartoon ships; this mindset of seeing two masc lesbians and immediately going "actually they act like bros; but this BUTCHFEMME couple has real chemistry" comes off sounding really, really bad in 2024 when you have no idea how butch identity operates, outside of depicting us as pants-wearing sexually aggressive muscular women. Butches ARE bros, even the ones who kiss each other. Camaraderie and tomboyish swagger *is* a part of their life. It's not our fault you are too fanfic trope-pilled to read these interactions are sexless friendship bantering.

It's also quite concerning, given how there are only a handful of butch4butch books in the market, and almost all of them talk about the stigmatizing of relationships between two butches/studs/masc lesbians. There are many butch lesbians who themselves face internalized butchphobia because of societal standards and expectations of being turned into the "gallant" provider of femmes. Butch and femme are not always inherently complementary, butches can be attracted to other butches, there is no "natural order" model of lesbian/sapphic attraction and your thinly veiled butchphobia is really off-putting, given you guys don't seem to extend that same rhetoric to mascfemme ships like Korrasami or Caitvi, or femme-femme ships like Harlivy.

Here, I must mention relationships like Rei and Kaoru from Oniisama E, or Jess and Lupe from A League of Their Own, who have bucket loads of chemistry but still have some vehement antis only because both the lesbians are masculine. (What's funny is the new wave of lesbian Oniisama E fans are almost all Rei/Kaoru shippers despite the show putting them into two butchfemme pairings.) Something something to be butch4butch is to be failing the tests of palatability and desirability according to conventional models of societal norms. Forever.

Again, one may have valid reasons for disliking these fictional ships (what, I genuinely don't know). But it *is* weird that you guys can watch fifty white fem4fem sapphic shows in a year and read 100+ GL with the same feminine girlish blonde and brunette/pink haired archetype and not bat an eyelid, but conjure a world of made-up "platonic" dynamics just because you read every butch4butch interaction as fundamentally platonic.

A lot of you love to throw around Stone Butch Blues as a catchphrase to educate strangers on the internet about 1950s-70s blue-collar bar culture and USA butch femme history, but how many of you actually know that within the book itself, the lead character acts prejudiced and hates on another butch for being butch4butch? How many of you know that she apologizes to her friend at the end for her hateful remarks? Fun fact: when you ostracize a butch for not fitting into your butch-femme subculture aesthetic, you're no better than lesbiphobic bigots actually.

Anyway, here are some butch4butch resources if you are a baby butch4butch and feel alienated by these kinds of weird rhetoric in online and fandom queer spaces too:

Butch4Butch romance books

My Butch4Butch books masterdoc (**being updated regularly**)

Leo Wilder's Butch4Butch writing (18+)

Butch4Butch photography archive (insta)

Boyish² Butch4Butch yuri anthology (insta)

@milsae Butch4Butch artist (tumblr/insta)

This post is made by a trans masc butch of color. Terfs, racists, biphobes and radfems kindly do not derail or interact.

[olderthannetfic]

https://olderthannetfic.tumblr.com/post/747087104725729280/who-are-all-these-people-getting-harassed-and#notes

Can only speak about what I experienced or my friends, but I remember that during the Legend of Korra there was a lot of this shit. Especially when the KorrAsami ship became more popular. There was also a growing dislike of any M/F shippers, and a lot of anti-bisexuality for Korra and Asami, despite them both having dated a guy, and nothing to imply that they're no bisexual anymore. The fact that they ended up together was apparently enough to bring out the knives to any "bisexual" shippers.

Bubbline, aka Princess Bubblegum and Marceline also got the anti-bi treatment for Marcie, and people getting angry if you did the ship wrong.

And last but not least: STEVEN UNIVERSE! Oh girls, boys and NB'joys. There were a lot of different F/F ships, but during the entire run and especially by the end of SU, if you dared do it wrong there were knives. You couldn't ship Pearl/Garnet because that's abuse. You can't ship Pearl/Rose because it's abuse. Amethyst/Pearl: Abuse. Garnet/Amethyst: Abuse. Lapis/Jasper: Abuse. Peridot/Lapis: Abuse. Garnet/Jasper: Abuse. Pearl/Jasper: Abuse. Amethyst/Jasper: Abuse. Peridot/Amethyst: Not abuse surprisingly but that one's also bad. Diamonds/their Pearls: Abuse. Don't you even fucking dare try doing any M/F ships with the gems, because they're all "lesbian coded" and if you still did it: Knives. Honestly, every ship was somehow bad, and if you got swept up with the wave on antis you'd get attacked for your ship. It was exhausting, especially following fan art. But it was also a real good show of anti hypocrisy because every anti would ship their fave F/F regardless, and would just twist another ship to be the bad one, and they can ship their ship because they're smarter.

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[asura22zoro]

on the but they broke up argument

I made it obvious multiple times how i feel korrasami in the end was just a last minute retcon ( as in they admitted that when the finale was being made to throw in korrasami because they didnt include lgbt rep before and I partly think it was due to the fact lok was running out of publciity stuntand k/a provided that

I am sorry to say but korrasami being the one queer ship thats canon in lok is irrelevant bad writing is bad writing good writing is more important then the genders involved even if it means that as a result there wouldnt be a same sex ship in lok ( its not like they couldnt include same sex ships lgbt stuff in the future of the series. The notion that if you care about/support the lgbt community you should automatically support korrasami just on the basis of korrasami being a same sex ship is idiotic. being against korrasami doesnt equal being against gay people anti korrasami isnt homophobic. shipping isnt activism

we see tons of ship wars between het ships so why shouldnt there be ships wars between a het ship and same sex ship how is opposing the same sex ship automatically homophobic ( they seem to use it as a shield from criticism

why

would everyone automatically support the same sex ship when that doesnt happen when a het ship becomes canon

so they made it happen at the cost of breaking the narrative and making korra ooc.

certain korra and asami are not compatible personality wise for a romantic relationship given their different needs and handling of conflict

and the narrative pointed to makorra eventually getting backtogether

korrasami shippers will try to claim they broke up due to incompatibility or insult mako to raise up their ship when the truth is they broke up due to mutual flaws neither of them were ready for a relationship with anyone.

they both showed that they will always love each other and the way the b2finale happened pointed to them getting back together.

the issue wasnt that they argued ( arguing isnt inherently unhealthy arguing can be healthy have you heard the term arguing like an old married couple ( I even reblogged post by fantastic-nonsense that went into that

by b4 mako and korra overcame those flaws

I always roll my eyes at the but they broke up as if we haven't seen tons of shows where a couple at first breaks up but gets back together later after some development

or times where while two characters love each other its after some development for if they were in relationship at the start it would have been unhealthy

"

seriously hasnt this person heard of the like old married couple trope “Two characters who seem very comfortable with each other to the point that it seems like they have been married for a long time, though obviously it doesn't apply to couples who actually have been together for a long time. Usually it is done through constant arguments with each other, as only people who are so closely bonded can have such open communication between them”

arguing in a relationship doesnt equal unhealthy

the b2 finale was shot in away that makorra shippers believed they would eventually getting backtogether (after they matured and solved their mutual flaws ( korra wouldnt have worked with anyone in b2 )

it had romantic tension

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We have hand holding…

Trouble parting ways…

Forehead touches…

Kissing…

Declarations of eternal love…

there are alot of shows where a couple which broke up got back together later on

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fantastic-nonsense . tumblr . com/post/111785796250/on-book-2makorra-korras-mentality-about

fantastic-nonsense . tumblr . com/post/111620875135/could-you-take-each-of-makorra-book-2-arguments

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[i-am-extremely-mad]

Anyway... bloggers like asura22zoro are still pathetic losers who do nothing but reblogging 8 years old disgusting anti-korrasami posts from mostly the same few super toxic anti-korrasami bloggers like ikkin//thekitsune,fanta//stic-non//sense, bobbityhobbity, firelx//dykatara and taka//shi0. Of course they also reblogging posts against other wlw ships that has become canon in recent years including of course the recent bumbleby. The saddest thing, if not just pathetic, is how anti wlw ships arguments are repeated over and over again, only the names have been changed: 

taka//shi0:

“Bumbleby's canon now, cool, great. That on its own isn't anything to be mad over since they were setting that up all the way back in Volume 2 even before this fandom became a complete cesspit (And I'm pretty sure Monty even approved of it), so yay, actually good WLW representation, good job M&K you did it. 

Except now the Wasps, who already have a long and extremely detailed history of being a nuisance to literally everyone else in the fandom, from directly harassing members of the show staff to butting into the posts of other ships like fucking Kpop idiots telling people to ship BB instead or kill themselves and then crying like they're a victim of """lesbophobia""" when those people tell them to fuck off, will now proceed to become even MORE insufferable like the Korrasami shippers did because they "Won." 

To anyone who ships Black/Sun, Freezer/burn, Mono/chrome, or anything else that involves Blake or Yang: you have my sympathies, and be prepared for a bunch of Sore Winners making your time in the fandom even shittier.”

I swear I've seen similar almost word for word arguments against korrasami (and against other canon wlw ships that came later), including pretending to be victims of toxic shippers and how people will call them homophobes/lesbophobes.

[atla-confessions]

korrasami shippers bringing up mako cheating but act like korra isn’t a homewrecker who got with mako while he was with asami. Korra, the homewrecker violated asami as another woman, then started dating asami at the end is such bad writing. asami is the one who deserved a break, but now she’s dating the woman who ruined her relationship with mako. that’s the main reason I dislike korrasami. asami deserved better than to be with korra. I’m so serious about this. korra is the villain. ☹️

C

[hotgirlkorra]

Back in 2012 I thought Makorra shippers were annoying as hell but then most hardcore Makorra shippers jumped ship and became some of the most annoying Korrasami shippers/biggest anti-Makorra. So I guess its not so much the ship but their shippers.

[dzamie]

okay, so, tl;dr "what if we brought back the Hayes Code for fandom"

Brief fandom history: there's a fandom term, "NOTP," which is a ship you absolutely cannot stand, like, might make you stop reading a fic if it even shows up. It's the shipping version of "my blorbo would not fucking say that"

Someone who is anti-[ship] goes a step or three further, and believes that NOBODY should ship [ship],.This can range from "anti-adrichat because you can't ship someone with himself, idiots!" to "anti-sparity because Spike is a *baby* dragon" to "anti-korrasami because homosexuality is a sin." This usually just leads to angry anons trying to explain why their ship is stupid and bad and they should stop shipping it, but can be much worse. The Undertale needle cookie incident is at least suspected of being done by an anti-frisk/sans person, though I don't know if that's been confirmed or debunked.

An anti-shipper, or "anti" for short, is the general-fandom version of this, with specifically a central moral motivation: any ship between a child and adult, any ship between a lesbian and a man, any ship between a human and a nonhuman, any ship between mortal enemies, etc. A common thought pattern is assuming that a disagreement with the conclusion (toothcup is fine actually) means a disagreement with a specific premise (IRL bestiality is bad). I'll bring this point back later.

A proshipper is someone declaring themselves in opposition to anti-shipping - that is, they think people should be allowed to ship whatever. Korrasami? Wincest? Ashachu? All good as long as it's tagged so they can avoid their NOTPs. A lot of people choose not to use this label, because it kinda identifies you as being obsessed with ship wars.

Now, the reason the people in the op are freaking out is because of that point I mentioned earlier: they believe that being okay with a relationship dynamic existing in fiction necessarily means supporting it IRL. That one person whose mom brought up dubcon and noncon? Now believes their mom thinks IRL rape is good. Someone they know is explicitly a proshipper? Must be fine with real-life bestiality, infidelity, and child rape. Hence their reactions.

I'm starting to find evidence on twitter of antis encouraging each other to shun friends and family for not being one of them and I am deeply concerned. This is some cult shit.

"should I shun my friend for being proship even though they're my only irl friend?"

"Should I shun my mother for being proship?"

The answer to both of these is GET HELP. You are being brainwashed into thinking that your friends and family are dangerous when you know that they wouldn't hurt anyone. See a therapist, take some time off the internet, reevaluate your situation. Fiction does not take precedence over your loved ones.

I'm tagging this with "antis please interact" because I think they need to see this too, and hopefully it helps someone. Your loved ones are not dangerous because of their taste in fiction.

[swordbending]

I changed my mind. makorras have the worst takes in this fandom.

[pidgeonlol]

i think its funny how i like every avatar’s canon pairing except aang’s. like rangshi? god’s gift to this earth. thank you f.c. yee i owe you my life. korrasami? i would perish for both of them. i think of them everyday.

kataang? ...........................

[aroace-mako]

zukka vs. korrasami

definitely korrasami. i honestly don’t ship zukka that much anymore-usually i reblog it just because i like the art

this or that ship ask game

[i-am-extremely-mad]

Bloggers like bla/ke-wudo/nna that are anti-bumbleby literary just recycle the same arguments used against korrasami, just 3 examples:

"I will never understand why bee fans are so adamant about convincing everyone it was planned from the beginning and anyone that doesn't see it is "an idiot"

Even in victory you cannot just celebrate, you have to continue attacking other shippers. How on brand."

"Legitimately, I will NEVER believe bumbleshit was planned from the beginning. BlackSun always had more chemistry and I will die on this hill.

Imagine being baited for so long and then when the show is on the verge of dying only THEN do they make it canon. Lmao couldn't be me.

I hope they break up the moment Bla//ke sees Sun again tbh because how funny would that be"

Also pathetic attempt for meme:

Literally you could insert any wlw canon ship in past 8 years. Haters literally don't have any original argument for that long...

I swear I've seen similar almost word for word arguments against korrasami (and against other canon wlw ships that came later), including pretending to be victims of toxic shippers and how people will call them homophobes/lesbophobes.

[coolman229]

It's hilarious you think Korrasami is pandering when it's literally the most dangerous thing they can do. Ending in Makorra? Expected and pandering to an expectant audience simply for the sake of making them happy. Developing a slowburn relationship into the BEGINNINGS of a romantic one? Natural development. Taking a chance. Giving hope to thousands who never see themselves represented. Please create a groundbreaking show and talk to me. Otherwise continue to wank over creepy ponies

Okay so this is the funniest thing and I’m gonna break down why you’re wrong on everything.

Ending in Makorra is expected. Makorra has been the golden ship from Bryke since Book 1. They trashed Mako in Book 3 to pander to critics because they were desperate, but ending in Makorra is literally the safest option. Anyone who hated it more than likely quit the show long before Book 4. I’ve hated Makorra since Book 1 and I expected the show to end with a Makorra wedding. It also would have been the most consistent option for Bryke to go with considering how much they pushed Makorra. Now personally I would have said that at that point just end it with no romance (which is EXACTLY what Bryan said they’d do but they went back on the “leaving romance alone” thing).

Korrasami was a gamble. Either people would love it or hate it. But it wasn’t even that much of a gamble. It had popularity with the fanbase and they had nothing to offer in terms of writing. So they changed the ending to vaguely imply Korrasami, and when it got positive reactions they immediately wrote out a huge response bashing anyone who didn’t like it or thought it didn’t make sense. They had the social justice movement to bank on when doing it.

And slowburn from the beginning?

You REALLY didn’t watch the show. Korra HATED Asami for most of Book 1 because she was dating Mako. She only barely considered her a friend after Asami proved herself to not just be a girly girl. Yeah that’s great. Asami has to impress Korra to be worthy of Korra not hating her. Then Korra stole Asami’s boyfriend. Twice. They didn’t interact save for ONE SCENE in Book 2 where they traded all of five words. 

Then in Book 3 we have a MASSIVE unexplained change where Asami takes the blame for Korra kissing Mako (because apparently her kissing Mako when he was single negates that Korra kissed Mako when he was dating Asami), she becomes Korra’s handmaiden and completely revolves around serving Korra. All of a sudden she’s Korra’s bff and in 30 seconds they drop all of the crap that Korra did to Asami. Yeah...no. Book 4 didn’t have hardly anything save for a few compliments from Asami (and nothing of Korra being nice to Asami because everything in the show revolves around Korra). We have Korra being confrontational over Asami talking to her dad and Asami getting mad over Korra assuming she knew better in a situation where she abandoned everyone for three years. Yeah so romantic. Much development. It was a literal last minute change.

The only chance they took was if there was enough social justice idiots to take up the cause for the show just because they said “Hey look a forced gay couple”. And it paid off because here you are harassing anyone who doesn’t like it. Why don’t you talk to actually gay and bi people who criticized it? Because I’ve seen them called homophobic over it and it’s the funniest thing. And if you NEED to see yourself represented then that’s honestly really funny. Narratives shouldn’t be bound to representing groups. You should care more about the quality of stories over whether someone in it is similar to you.

And this last part I need to talk about because I almost burst out in laughing.

Please create a groundbreaking show and talk to me. Otherwise continue to wank over creepy ponies 

Okay so first of all, there is literally nothing groundbreaking about LoK. Other shows have had more gay relationships that no one pays attention to. Also by Book 4 the show was relegated to just being online, and combined with the poor ratings of the show not very many people actually watched it. And there is absolutely no merit to the argument of “Why don’t you create something” to try and shut down criticism. Someone does not need to create something equivalent in order to have the right to point out the flaws in something. That kind of logic is absurd and puts creators on an untouchable pedestal. LoK is a bad show and I have given suggestions many times over how the show should have been handled. 

Also you REALLY had to accuse me of wanking to ponies. Really? You couldn’t let that go. You had to throw that in. I haven’t watched MLP in years and I barely interact with the fandom. But sure go ahead and try to act like all Bronies are creepy freaks when you’re so pathetic that you have to send anon hate.