#anti jedi stan

[mademoiselle-cookie]

Still a mystery this is

[short-wooloo]

I really hate that "eventually one of you is going to snap" bit, because it's obviously referring to Anakin while completely misunderstanding the point of Anakin

Anakin did not snap because he was forced to control his emotions (I mean you could say he snapped with the tuskens, but that's him snapping because he stopped trying to control himself), he chose the dark side, that's how it works, the dark side is not some thing you do subconsciously and have no control of and is therefore "not reeeeeaaaaally evil" (as headland so obviously believes), it's a choice, it's evil, it's giving up on being in control and indulging in your baser desires

Really Anakin only snapped AFTER he turned to the dark side, when he lost his shit and started strangling Padme, when he had already betrayed the Jedi/Republic, murdered children, and destroyed democracy

The idea that he snapped just seems like more of that "he wasn't really in control of himself therefore he's not culpable for his actions" crap

[underwaterspiderbird]

you know it, i know it, your pet rock knows it, your kyber crystal knows it, we all know it.

[autistic-ben-tennyson]

Letting Go: How Shinkai Succeeds where Lucas Fails

After reading that essay on how Kung Fu Panda did the “letting go of attachments” story way better than Lucas did, I was inspired to write this. The problem with SW is that it tries to apply what is spiritual advice to a hero’s narrative when it’s not about heroism. It’s about coming to terms with grief, preparing for death or letting your child grow up. I want to talk a bit about two of Makoto Shinkai’s films that are both favorites of mine, Weathering With You and Suzume as both delve into this topic. The latter has its title character come to terms with her grief and trauma while the former is a rejection of the utilitarian view of letting one person die for the “greater good”.

Suzume succeeds with its “letting go” message because it focuses on the journey and shows the importance of a true support system and that it takes time to come to terms with grief. Expecting people to just let go immediately isn’t fair and unrealistic. Suzume’s whole journey is about exploring new places, meeting new people and learning joy can still come from grief.

Shinkai based this movie off the 2011 earthquake which was a real source of trauma for Japan. Suzume is a survivor who lost her mother and her home. She has to learn to not dwell on her past hurt but at no point is she shamed for missing her mother or told to just let Souta rot as the keystone for “the greater good”. She’s allowed to mourn. She and her aunt, Tamaki grow as people and as parent and child through emotional experiences, both in the movie during their argument and reconciliation as well as in the booklet that revealed a bit about their past. Tamaki had the responsibilities of being a parent thrust on her and resented it at times but communication was what helped their relationship become healthier and she never shamed her niece for having negative emotions. I’ve written an essay about this too.

The reason this movie succeeds at its message is that it treats its characters and audience with sensitivity. Suzume heals by remembering the happy moments with her mother and Tamaki was willing to adapt to her needs, unlike the Jedi Council. I think @abla-soso’s written about this but George doesn’t have the healthiest view of human psychology and trauma or of relationships nor is he a good writer. He’s sympathetic to Anakin, sure, but he and much of the fandom treat him as just greedy for holding onto his attachments when he doesn’t have a support system that validates his emotions and won’t help him heal except for telling him to meditate. A child healing by remembering their mother while going on a road trip to come out of their shell is not the same as being forced to go and help slavers that caused you so much pain. How can one heal from that?

The other movie in question, Weathering With You, is sort of a response to the ultra collectivism in Japan. Hina is expected to die so the rainfall will stop but what about the people who know her and have to deal with her loss? The little people are always forgotten about in these greater good arguments. Kind of like Trace and Rafa in TCW. Hodaka may have been selfish, yes, but Hina was the one person who treated him with kindness and affection as opposed to how his parents and the kids from his hometown did. Not to mention she still had a brother to take care of with their mother dying a year before the film was set. To just die would be abandoning those who needed her. Hodaka’s trauma and anger is treated with respect by Shinkai as opposed to just being written off as evil like Lucas or Jedi stans would.

Some have interpreted the movie as a climate change denial story with the rains and flooding being treated as natural. But it’s really more of a response those who put all the blame and pressure on one person to fix the problem, especially the young being forced to do so by the older generations. It’s not fair for the older generations to create these problems then put all the burden of solving it on the youth. The Jedi council was plenty guilty of that with how they treated their padawans. And it’s okay to live your life to the fullest, even if the world is falling apart.

I’m sure the Jedi apologists will probably respond by saying “Jedi aren’t against love or emotion, just possessiveness” but that’s not what the movies show even if Lucas didn’t intend for it to come off that way. Maybe these movies treat the subject with more sensitivity and nuance because they’re written by someone who understands Shinto philosophy unlike a 70s hippie who blends stoicism with eastern beliefs. Yes, SW was intended to be black and white, but that’s not how real life works. What may not affect one person will affect another and it’s not wrong to need time and unconditional love to heal. You can’t just slap labels like selfish attachment or greed on someone when you don’t know or refuse to understand their circumstances and motivations and it’s not fair to judge or write them off.

[darklinaforever]

I hate anti-tag on many levels. Particularly because for the most part, it is just so as not to disturb fans who idealize a character and his actions. Yes, it helps when you particularly hate a character. But why have to put the anti tag when you're talking about the canonical actions of a character or their simple nature ? Literally, it's like the anti-Greens tag, it's just there so as not to offend those who stubbornly refuse to see them as bad guys, when that's just what they are, not to mention the fact of not disrupt the headcanons they believe are canon that they invented for these characters. Same for Star Wars. Why do I have to put the anti tag on the Jedi because I say that they are not perfect, nuanced or even corrupt for some and that the institution has problematic values? That's just the reality of the Jedi, but no, should I put critical or anti in the tag for that? Or when we talk about the character of Mal Oretsev from Grisha ? Its bad writing problematic at this point it's just a plain fact of the text. Why do I have to put anti when it's just the reality of this fictional character? Basically the tag dedicated to Mal only has people idealizing her? I find that there is a huge paradox in this tag. Same when I talk about Dramione and Romione, but I specify that I don't hate Romione (even like her a little) nor hate Ron. I still have to put anti romione or anti ron, or altogether not put them in the tags, even if I actually talked about them. This is all ridiculous. Normally, the anti tag is for when you talk about characters you ardently hate, often implying a biased judgment, or even going so far as to invent crimes for them for certain anti... Because they ironically tend to invent other bad actions for these characters they hate, as if what had been done basicly was not enough, proving that they are generally in exaggeration.

[kittenfangirl20]

To start with, this is not an anti Reva post and more being critical of some pro Jedi people. I think the reason why I think that some pro Jedi people who like Reva to the point that the Tumblr blog called Anti Anakin has youngling Reva as their avatar is because they use her as proof that Anakin was an irredeemable monster who doesn’t deserve to be redeemed. It doesn’t matter that Reva probably killed Force Sensitive children like Anakin did and even nearly killed Luke because of who his father was, she had a tragic backstory that involved Anakin storming the Jedi Temple so they use her to prop up their Anakin hate. If she didn’t have that part of her backstory I don’t think that pro Jedi people would like her as much as they do.

[asocial-skye]

tumblr needs to stop recommending me blogs that are anti anakin fans.

[awesomestarfighter]

#^^^this! #Jango went after Mace when he was unarmed even #which was a smart move #taking every advantage you get fits with him being a legendary bounty hunter #but Mace retaliating and removing one of the greater threats his side was facing# had nothing to do with heartlessness and everything to do with the situation Jango had just entered and contributed to #he was defending himself and every other Jedi down in that arena #Jango having brought his son to an execution doesn't remove Mace's right to defend himself

Ran into another “Mace Windu was heartless for killing Jango” thing and just. Jango was running directly at him while shooting?

[mademoiselle-cookie]

People complaining about the Jedi "forbidding Anakin from being controlled by his emotions" like it's not a good thing

[salad-juice-enjoyer]

Baruch HaShem I'm not a Star Wars fan.

[short-wooloo]

Even if all the lies and deliberated twisted misrepresentations of Mace Windu and the Jedi for the purpose of blaming them for Anakin were remotely accurate (THEY AREN'T, END OF DISCUSSION), Anakin's turn to the dark side and all his atrocities are still HIS FAULT, no one else's (and yes, that even includes Palpatine) , regardless of what they did

It was his choice

Anakin chose to turn to the dark side

Anakin chose to betray the Jedi and Republic

Anakin chose to overthrow democracy

Anakin chose to support fascism

Anakin chose to murder children en mass

Anakin chose to join a space nazi death cult

Anakin chose to murder Padme

No one made him do anything, no one could, nothing that anyone did(n't do) forced him to be a monster, it was all his choice, because no matter what a person supposedly suffers, they are the one who chooses what they do

And Anakin chose to be evil

[awesomestarfighter]

#The Disaster Lineage literally exists #and people think ANAKIN breathed life back into the order #Are you people out of your mINDS #I hate this take lmfao #Anakin is a walking dumpster fire of trauma and miscommunication #so he fit RIGHT in #(Up until he didn't lmao) #but no way in HELL was he some breath of fresh air in this bitch #Obi-Wan and his gremlin friends GREW UP THERE HA

Sometimes I see takes or implications that Anakin “brought life back into the Order” or something along those lines by being a chaotic child and I don’t buy that for a second. You cannot convince me that the Order didn’t already have its own Ferris Buellers. Please, we’ve met Quinlan Vos.

[underwaterspiderbird]

fuck the jedi, theyre not the good guys they think they are. at least a sith is upfront & transparent about any of their grizzline even when they finesse you. a jedi’lll violate your whole agency & personhood while claiming theyre helping & doing it for your own good, theyll tell you that your loved ones & your very feelings are unholy & wrong, then theyll throw a whole temper tantrum and try to dismember or mindfuck you when you question their goodness, challenge their holiness in any way, and then when you finally build up the strength to face them, to stand up to them, they hide behind a halo & try to insist that youre the one in the wrong. fuck the jedi. red kybers are liberated kybers.

[jaydude1992]

Currently recalling someone who claimed that part of the backlash for The Acolyte came from Jedi stans angry that the Jedi weren't depicted as being flawless and perfect. I don't know the extent to which I can speak for anyone else, but I like to think we probably wouldn't be complaining as much if;

Headland didn't act like she was writing the show in accordance with Lucas's original intentions, only to make up flaws for the Jedi that never existed in the stuff he was involved with (seriously, the Jedi of Lucas's works are perfectly allowed to have emotions and feelings, and they DEFINITELY don't persecute other groups of Force-users just for existing).

We hadn't already endured decades of "jedi-critical"/"anti jedi" works by people whose criticisms of the Jedi come largely from them misinterpreting and/or deviating from Lucas's narrative.

The Sequel Trilogy hadn't denied us a Jedi Order rebuilt by Luke for the apparent sake of trying to replicate New Hope.

Personally, I say that by all means, give us Jedi that have flaws and aren't perfect. No-one enters the Jedi Order with the experience and wisdom necessary to be a Jedi Master, after all. But if you're going to claim your work to be a natural extension of Lucas's stuff - as opposed to a deviation from it - those flaws and imperfections have to be consistent with what we see in the latter.

[jessequinnfirstofhername]

What is the story behind Codywan? I don't know anything about this ship that's dominating the poll!

I don’t think I’m the right person to ask. I’m not anti-Codywan or anything, I just know nothing about the ship.

However @creativside did a really good explainer in the replies of Round Nine. I’ll copy + paste it here:

Caveat: I don't ship it, but I don't ship-shame and I get the appeal. So imagine there are these two people, thrown together in a really awful war. They fight side by side, both responsible for leading others into dangerous and sometimes certain death situations. Everyday is very frightening, every day coukd be their last. One of them has magic powers, he's basically a superhero, constantly putting himself at risk to protect (more coming )

2/ the other and his men, though they were all told they're expendable. He always, *always* uses their chosen names. In spite of all this power, the magic one is constantly dropping his magic sword, and so the field officer is always keeping an eye of out for it. They often brush hands when he passes it back. They often share cramped sleeping quarters where they don't sleep much, kept awake by war. They keep each other alive, (one more)

3/ remind each other to eat, and are always looking for ways to show the other they care, since every day could be there last. Of course, it's a love that can never be. Good soldiers follow non-fraternization orders, good Jedi follow the Code of non-attachment.

If any Codywan stans want to add their two cents, I’d love to hear from you!

[autistic-ben-tennyson]

People say you can’t hate the Jedi because they’re based off Buddhism and not Christianity. Lucas based them off eastern beliefs but incorporated Christian ideas in as well about good vs evil and a prophesied messiah. They’re made by a white man in a Christian culture and were a religious group in cohorts with a corrupt warmongering government, sounds a lot like evangelicals to me.

Jedi give me such Evangelical Christian vibes and that is Not a good thing.