#anti hypocrite ppl

[shiningstars-world]

Sasusaku fans make fun of sns

While forget about this:

Sasukarin fans make fun of sns:

While forget about this:

Naruhina fans make fun of sns:

While they forget about that Naruto ignored hinata's love confession and never brought it up🤭:

Again narusaku fans saying Naruto loved sakura romanticly and that's why he did bring sasuke back for her but they forgot about Naruto's Reasons

I mean

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[pissmoon]

Yes 'elitism' and genre purism in music scenes can be ridiculous at times but the way some people talk about it is like they think it should be illegal to criticize music

[skymagpie]

People who are super pro-ship and post only pro-ship discourse but insist that it's antis who are obsessed with them is so funny, man it's time for introspection I think

[dihalect]

here's a thing about palestine/israel that i can't stop thinking about. supporting an ethnostate, apartheid, and/or genocide seems like just about the most un-jewish thing one could possibly do. i genuinely do not get it.

like. irl, i've been osmosizing jewish culture and scholarship for the past several years. the impression i’ve gotten is of a people who has undergone untold amounts of discrimination and violence over the past couple millennia, and who is proud of their resilience in the face of that oppression. i know that enduring oppression doesn’t necessarily make someone a good person. and obviously, no group is a monolith. but my impression has been that recognizing that harm and defending other downtrodden groups was a common principle of jewish culture. hell, that’s why my alma mater was founded — so i was living in that legacy for the past ~6 years.

even if you think jewish people have the sole right to the land that we call israel, the israeli state's treatment of palestinians flies in the face of all of that. to go "fuck you, i got mine"*, treat another ethnic group as second-class citizens, and concentrate, blockade, and slaughter them seems completely irreconcilable with what i have come to know and appreciate as jewish values. a complete betrayal.

like. am i missing something big here or

*or, more accurately, “i will fuck you over to get mine”

edit: obviously not every jewish person supposed israel/is zionist. but, as we’ve all seen jewish anti-zionists say recently, most jewish ppl in the imperial core are. and this genocidal ethnostate calls itself ~the jewish state~.

[themuseoftheviolets]

protecting my peace (blocked all the h*td tags)

[thesilverlady]

Team black here and i am always amazed at how people cope so hard that Sunfyre and aegon didn't have any bond at all💀 like what do u mean that's a targaryen out there 💀 people love to bring the whole argument of "he wanted to have a new Sunfyre" which means he dgaf about his dragon which is completely untrue , Rhaenyra wanted to have an egg after Syrax's death that doesn't means Rhaenyra never loved Syrax, also another important detail that people often ignore for some reason is that Aegon was disabled, still at war and he only has lord Baratheon on his side which isn't much when you compare it to three armies (vale,riverland,north) so obviously a dragon will help alot in this situation, remember the conqueror? Who was able to conquer a whole content full of big armies only by using his dragon Balerion. Also the scenes of Aegon ii claiming a golden dragon's egg with purple hue and says that he doesn't want silverwing but a new Sunfyre . I've always read it as some desperation and a bit delulu from his part as if sunfyre could have been reborn again from that golden egg. Not to mention mushroom said that Aegon has sat upon that egg for a day and a night hoping it will hatch, so that's Eggon for you. Thank you if you kept reading until now , and this is simply my interpretation of the text nothing more<3

no worries. I completely get it don't worry �� And I mostly agree with you so I don't have anything to add other than both teams tend to be hypocritical as hell.

Few weeks ago for instance, i saw a screenshot of reddit post about the green kids and alicent and what titles could have (for example how rhaenyra was called the Realm's Delight etc). The names they came up with was one worse than the other. I laughed. I won't pretend to be better. But imagine my surprise when I saw everyone was mocking it on Twitter.

And you might ask "Silver, why were you surprised? it's Twitter" You'd be right. But my surprise is the fact that same people have come up with various cringe worthy titles for Baela, Rhaena, Lucerys and Jacaerys but apparently their stuff is somehow more intellectual than the reddit post users.

So see? Hypocrisy

And same goes team green. I've seen plenty of defenses about helaena's mental state, her grief, tragic ending. And same people hard on hating rhaenyra for not being "badass and fight in the battle like aegon" (which BTW can I say how stupid of a strategy that is? Why risk your king/queen? 💀 anyways). So yeah, compassion for the one female passive character but without the same energy for other passive female character during the war.

So yeah, anyways lots of stupid discourse to find, but the ones with anything dragon-related always eat the cake

[perfektblau]

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[muirneach]

i like ireland as much as the next guy and im glad we all like to celebrate their wins but can we stop pretending that just because they had the ira they are the most progressive nation ever?? go read about direct provision and other immigration policy/public sentiment in ireland before saying anything

[folksy]

I can’t submit a pic to your ask box but @feelsnotfeelings

[apocalypselog]

nngh ran into more I/p discourse. Why does everybody make it so hard. I read this stuff and can’t tell fact from fiction. At least until I step back and remember 18000 murdered civilians

[lord-squiggletits]

Ahhhhh I really didn't imagine it, I still dislike Barber's way of writing Orion/Optimus just as much as I did on the first reading and all it took was rereading a few screencaps from one specific scene.

Literally I don't know which part annoys me more: Jetfire existing in the background solely to go "ORION PAX FUCKING SUCKS AND IS A HYPOCRITE", Orion being written like an edgy asshole who hates everyone, or Soundwave talking like an unhinged terrorist and the narrative expecting me to see Orion as the hypocrite for using violence to arrest terrorists.

Soundwave is seriously like "You have no proof we assassinated the Senate, but if we did assassinate the Senate it would've been justified, but also totally trust us bro, just because we could've hypothetically murdered the entire reigning government doesn't mean that we're violent bro come on just bc we assassinated-- I mean could have hypothetically had the means and cause to kill like a hundred people doesn't mean we were gonna kill anyone else, come on bro why are you calling us violent just bc we think some murder is okay" while Jetfire is in the background like "WOW ORION I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU'RE WILLING TO BE VIOLENT IN RESPONSE TO OTHER PEOPLE BEING VIOLENT. YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR OWN SIDE'S FLAWS EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE LITERALLY DOING AN INVESTIGATION TO DECIDE WHETHER ONE OF YOUR COPS COMMITTED AN UNJUSTIFIED KILLING OR NOT. YOU HAVE DONE LITERALLY NOTHING TO TRY AND FIGHT THE CORRUPTION IN SOCIETY." (Jetfire had no way of knowing about OP and crew fighting the Senate's schemes in Shadowplay and Elegant Chaos, but as a reader it's very frustrating seeing Orion getting lambasted as never having done anything to fight society's corruption when he literally did, and by the time he was even working for Zeta Megatron was already evil and had the whole Senate assassinated.)

Like ughhhh oh my god I could have maybe enjoyed this story under a better writer but as it's written it's some "yet you participate in society, curious" levels of political commentary where at least one character seemingly only exists in the scene to shit on OP (something that happens a lot in Barber's works, like with Pyra Magna and Slide) and where OP is framed as a hypocritical asshole for a reaction that's very understandable given the context.

And also it's weird because Barber wants so badly for you to read Orion as some sort of hypocrite for being against terrorist activities but being willing to employ violence himself to arrest terrorists, yet... it turns out the big twist of the story is that the Decepticons WERE smuggling weapons and Soundwave DID lie to Orion (even if it was unintentionally), thus vindicating Orion's entire distrustful attitude? Like, it seems as if it was supposed to be an ACAB story showing how evil the police are for killing people and how Orion (as a cop) is evil for being a cop that uses violence on behalf of the state. Except uh. Then Barber wrote a plot where the Decepticons literally were smuggling weapons all along (and this is alongside lore from Megatron: Origin where we as the readers know for a fact the Decepticons/Starscream killed the Senate) so.... Like, it just seems to me that if Barber wanted to write an ACAB story about how the state monopoly on violence is bad, he probably shouldn't have written the Decepticons as actually being terrorists who literally did lie about smuggling weapons?

I feel like a better way to write an ACAB/anti-state-monopoly-on-violence would've been to like, explore the way that states take advantage of catastrophe/using scapegoat political movements to gather more power to themselves and justify removing citizens' rights with "it's an emergency, we're taking away your freedoms to protect everyone." Like, maybe Zeta passes some law saying that officers can search citizens without a warrant, which he justifies with the fact that Decepticon terrorism is so rampant that officers need immediate permission to conduct raids/searches. Except this is obviously a problem because people have a right to privacy, and probably the cops are super overzealous and end up arresting innocent people without cause (like idk, maybe just being friends with someone who is sympathetic to the Decepticons gets someone landed in jail? Maybe Jetfire gets arrested bc he's critical of the state and has hung out with Decepticon sympathizers before). So then Orion has an actual "are we the baddies?" moment where he wants to stop the bad people, but he realizes that his side are infringing on people's citizens and justifying police brutality for the sake of a nebulous "greater good," and that even though he and his cops were given greater power to supposedly "protect citizens," in practice they're actually doing great harm to citizens by invading their privacy, creating a surveillance state, and imprisoning people without just cause? Basically "we were given this power to stop terrorists from hurting civilians, but now we're hurting civilians too so are we actually doing any good?" Because that way Orion and his cops would ACTUALLY be in the wrong and their state monopoly on violence would be an actually widespread institutional thing where they're clearly being allowed to do bad things just because they're cops. Not just Orion investigating one singular police killing.

But with the story written as "Orion suspected the Decepticons of murdering the Senate (he's correct about this) but still investigated one of his officers to see if he committed a wrongful murder (literally him paying attention to his own side's wrongdoings, Jetfire), and it turns out the Decepticons WERE smuggling weapons and doing terrorism (Orion was correct about this)" it's just.......... like, Orion may not be morally correct, but his hunches/investigations about the suspected criminal activity were literally correct. AND HE WAS WILLING TO DO THIS INVESTIGATION IN THE FIRST PLACE. But for some reason he's still framed as if he's an asshole for this? Even though this is a point in the pre-war lore where Megatron won't back down from violence and has lost his way from his original pure intentions, so it's not like Orion can just go "let's put down our weapons and be friends and mutually trust each other to not stab each other in the back."

It just feels as if Barber's intentions to write an ACAB story where Orion is framed as being too judgmental and quick to be violent don't line up with the actual events of the story. The story is desperately trying to call Orion a hypocrite, but he really just seems as if he's reacting understandably to the events that are happening around him, so there's a real dissonance here where I don't understand why the ACAB story had the cops be right about the Decepticons committing terrorism, and I'm also supposed to see Orion as an asshole for correctly not trusting the Decepticons???

[cryptidapprentice]

genuinely so sad about how careful i have to be when looking at digital art now

like, if i see a piece that looks cool at first glance, i have to do a double check to make sure its not ai art (and like, sooo many times it Is), because obviously, I don't want to support people who are creating these images based on stolen art 😭

[zippers]

spent way too long reading (one of?) the twitter links on that franzeska fandom racism post, and my tumblr app refreshed. if someone happens to see it or reblogged it recently, could you send it my way? thanks!

[swirlingyouintomypoems]

Actually how do y’all manage to read rpf bc I will not even lie to you I have dabbled in it and now every time I come across something ****** related I freak out bc if I see the person I read disgusting smut about I will actually throw up

[throwawayasoiafaccount]

here to throw in my two cents~

i think i’d mostly agree with this post if it existed in a vacuum. cause the problem is that people are 1) not even attempting to be objective in discussions 2) putting hate in the tags 3) acting like their headcanons are what actually happened 4) treating the character as an unambiguous villain and ignoring canon characterization to do so.

i personally think that you should always ‘preach to the choir’ if you’re talking about the culpable parties in a murder. the culprits deserve all the hate and i find it gross to divert blame. and taking issue with the people solely blaming one character for said murders, all while they don’t even mention the true culprits, is not odd and is something that is also worthy of discussion. i like a good shitpost as much as the next person, but if someone is angry about a characters death then shouldn’t it be a ‘water is wet’ ‘i hate their murderers’ situation? i can understand people blaming rhaegar for the war, even if i don’t necessarily agree, but for elia, rhaenys, and aegon’s deaths over the actual murderers? that’s like saying catelyn caused robb’s death—and i would hope nobody thinks that and instead keeps their anger for that tragedy rightfully directed at the freys.

imo, you’re giving a lot of people the benefit of the doubt when saying that people are ‘trying to understand the kind of person rhaegar was.’ cause most people i’ve seen discussing the ‘bad’ portions of rhaegar are treating their unsupported headcanons as canon. rhaegar’s tag and the main tag used to be (may still be idk i’ve blocked a ton of ppl) filled with the ‘bad’—even when it goes against the little known characterization we have.

also, i’ve seen people literally say ‘he deserved death’ or ‘robert baratheons one good deed was killing rhaegar’ or ‘rhaegar should rot in hell he caused elia and his kids deaths.’ this isn’t treating rhaegar like a character—this is treating him as an accessory to his wife and children’s murder. and he’s not only reduced to revolve around this event, he’s also treated as an abomination by some of the most popular headcanons that have very, very little textual support. this isn’t analyzing a character nor does it open a discussion, and when this is repetitively repeated in rhaegar’s tag and the main tag it starts becoming quite annoying. and truthfully, it’s more than a bit annoying when people are shut down when they try to explain that they think a characters characterization has been twisted to an alarming degree.

cause the truth is that we do not know what went down between rhaegar and lyanna, nor do we know how that situation came to be. did he abscond with her on purpose? maybe we’ll never know, but that doesn’t stop people from acting as though they completely understand rhaegar’s motives, actions, etc despite the fact that we simply can not know because we don’t have his POV. also, how do you know what he was thinking? you say: ‘he should have thought more of them.’ what does that mean? how do you know he didn’t try everything in his power to protect them? tbh, you’re making a lot of big assumptions and acting like they’re the ultimate truths about the thought process of a character we don’t get a POV of. like… how do you even know if rhaegar was willing involved in the situation that helped cause a war?

also, rhaegar left his wife and kids on dragonstone. dragonstone is a stronghold and one of the centers of targaryen power. how is that short sighted? rhaegar may have even returned to dragonstone after his trip to the riverlands, and before he went to dorne, to speak to elia. i can speculate on this because we literally do not know where the hell rhaegar went. while we do know that elia and her kids were eventually moved to kings landing, we don’t know why. tho i think it was likely on aerys orders. however, it’s not like kings landing was an unsafe place to be as it was the center of the targaryens power. imo, there was no safer place for the targaryen children than there where they had the loyalty of their people. also, while we know rhaegar eventually returned to kings landing, we don’t know if it was actually possible for him to have moved elia and his kids, nor do we know if elia and their kids were actually at kings landing when rhaegar returned, as they could’ve been moved to kings landing after rhaegar left for the trident—tho i think they were there when he returned. and imo, even if it was possible to move them (it likely wasn’t as aerys was paranoid and probably wanted rhaegar on a tight leash), i still don’t know if i’d consider it smart to move them as the royal cause wasn’t defeated at that point, and moving royalty during a war seems like a precarious endeavor.

i agree that it’s interesting to speculate about elia and rhaegar’s relationship, but the discussion about ‘what he could’ve done to protect her’ is often devoid of logic. people will overinflate rhaegar’s power as crown prince (thinking that he could easily defy aerys who was king), forget that kings landing was a very safe place to be, forget that tywin was a traitor and that this was an unpredictable course of action to many (i think rhaegar def didn’t expect it), forget how dangerous it is to travel during war time, and forget that rhaegar fought at the trident to stop the rebels and died for it—he died trying to protect the royal cause and the royal family, which included elia and his children.

frankly, even after rhaegar’s death there was a chance for elia and their kids to survive, but aerys decided to not send them with rhaella and viserys and kept them hostage. i often see rhaegar blamed for this even though it was a decision made after his death by aerys, who doesn’t get blamed near as much. aerys is treated as a non character and more like a gun that was always going to go off. why is that? tbh idek why. the sentiment is ‘aerys was always going to go off and rhaegar should’ve done something’ instead of ‘aerys was a pos for holding elia and her kids hostage.’ and as i implied above, we don’t know if rhaegar willing left his family in kings landing in the first place. people will claim that rhaegar ‘didn’t do enough to protect them’ as though they’ve gone over every single line of some mystical POV chapter of his that i’ve never seen and formed that conclusion based on cold hard logic.

i like your post and i admire that you try to stay fairly neutral, but you saying ‘rhaegar bares some responsibility for the deaths of elia and their children’ contradicts your previous statement of ‘the readers are often invited to come to our own conclusions about what is wrong or right, evil or righteous.’ i believe you’re trying to present your argument as objective, but is it really? i think i know which way you’re biased, and i’m sure you’ve realized which way i lean, so let’s be real here: don’t come at me for responding since you posted in the main tag :)

in order to pretend to be objective, i want to bring up one of rhaegar’s ‘bad’ traits. it’s implied by barristan that rhaegar was too green. he was good in tourneys, fought honorably and valiantly, but was likely naive because his station did a good job protecting him from more dishonorable methods of attack and because he lacked real battle experience. robert, on the other hand, had already fought in real battles, was tested, and was likely unafraid of being more dishonest in his methods. this is why i think jon and dany will prevail where rhaegar failed as they have learned that there is a time and place for honor and nobility—they’re not afraid to fight dirty when they need to. i wish people would focus more on these kinds of discussions about rhaegar than on the ‘he only wanted lyanna to have a secret prophecy baby and no love ever existed because rhaegar was evil’ nonsense.

“Why is it always Rhaegar that fans talk about when it comes to what happened to Elia and not Tywin or Gregor?”

Because Tywin and Gregor are presented unambiguously as villains in the text. Gregor does not have any depth to him at all. He is cruel, violent, and evil. There is not much more to say about him. He did something absolutely horrific without remorse. Tywin is more interesting but still entirely unsympathetic and unambiguously evil. Even Cersei, who idolizes Tywin, thinks he went to hell. Plus we saw both of them alive on page, so there’s less speculation to be done. Meanwhile Rhaegar never appeared alive on page and we only have information from various characters. He’s more of a mystery to the reader, and he’s not presented as an unambiguous villain. Most characters think about him positively. The only one to really speak ill of him is Robert, who is awful. The kind of person Rhaegar was is more up to the readers to decide. There is simply more room for discussion.

Second, Tywin and Gregor are held accountable by characters in the narrative already for the death of Elia and her children. Their culpability is not something to be discussed. It’s obvious. And characters already find it vile. You could make the case that since we don’t get a lot of animosity towards Rhaegar in the Martell POV chapters, that Oberyn’s anger was directed at Gregor, that they don’t assign any blame to Rhaegar. But two things: 1. Rhaegar is dead and gone, whereas Gregor and Tywin were still living and able to be held accountable. For the readers, all three are fictional. And, now, dead. And 2. The characters not blaming Rhaegar isn’t an indication that he’s blameless. The readers are often invited to come to our own conclusions about what is wrong or right, evil or righteous. Jaehaerys is regarded in universe as a good man and great king. But we the readers know that he slaughtered his teenage daughter’s lover while she watched. We get to decide for ourselves if Jaehaerys was a good man regardless of the opinions of the characters.

Gregor and Tywin are undoubtedly the most culpable for the deaths of Elia and her kids. One ordered it and the other did it. This is known and nobody is going to contest it. It does not erase this fact to say that if Rhaegar had not absconded with Lyanna, leaving his wife and kids in King’s Landing, they may have survived. It was short-sighted of him. He didn’t know he would die. He didn’t know that his wife and kids would suffer—but he knew that what he was doing would cause political unrest, and he knew that his father had no love for his wife and kids. Perhaps Rhaegar truly believed that having a child with Lyanna was the key to saving the realm. Even if this is true, he still bears some responsibility for the deaths of Elia and her children. I’m sure he did not think they would be harmed—but therein lies the problem. He should have thought more of them, even if his intentions were noble, because he knew he was going to incite political unrest and he knew his father didn’t care for Elia and her kids.

Saying that Tywin Lannister, Amory Lorch, and Gregor Clegane are evil and culpable in the deaths of Elia, Aegon, and Rhaenys is just very “water is wet.” It’s preaching to the choir. We can all see this. The characters in the story see this. Trying to understand the kind of person Rhaegar was, including the BAD, since we’re given mostly positive views of him, is something to actually talk about. The only one really speaking ill of Rhaegar in universe is Robert and it’s most certainly NOT because he cared about Elia and the kids. Elia’s end was tragic and it echoes through the story just like Lyanna’s. Speculating about her relationship with her husband (which GRRM himself has said was complex) and what he could have done to protect her is just a matter of investigating a series of events that is still rather shrouded and thus is actually worthy of discussion

[1296-very-good-year]

For ppl who liked Arcane season 2, is the honeymoon over yet?

Can we agree that S1 and S2 are completely different shows?

That none of the themes carried over between them?

That Piltover did nothing to earn Zaun coming to their rescue in the final battle?

That Viktor's "cure all weakness" shit came out of nowhere?

That understanding any of Jayce's actions post-talking to mageViktor requires a PhD in eyebrow twitches and nonsense?

That Viktor saving baby Jayce was an unambiguous retcon?

That Vi was just a cardboard cutout that Jinx and Caitlyn wrestled over?

That Vander lived and died at least 2 times too many?

That Isha was just a cute pet for Jinx to monologue at?

That Jinx turned from unhinged terrorist to a defanged, quirky jokester?

That Caitlyn's blink and you'll miss it dictator arc changed nothing and there were zero repercussions for it?

That Ambessa became a hypocritical moron whose anti-mage sentiment ate shit and died when she teamed up with robot mage Viktor, who didn't even PRETEND he wasnt going to hivemind her along with everyone else?

That Silco being close to Powder and Vi's mom, knowing them since they were born, only serves to weaken his relationship with Jinx?

That Mel went from a morally complex, savvy politician into a heroic battle mage, (in like 5 mins of screentime) while all other kinds of magic + Hextech were evil and corrupting and had to be destroyed?

That Ekko convinces Jinx that he went to an alternate reality and fell in love with her and she shouldnt kill herself and to become a revolutionary hero(?) OFF SCREEN?

IS THE HONEYMOON OVER YET?