#anti house Greyjoy

[monbebe-monstax]

If u raped someone u deserve castration or in aegons case ur dick being burnt off

Comparing theons sexaul assault to a rapist is a new fucking low for u tg fans

Theon deserved half of the torture Ramsey did to him but the other half he didn't deserve like Ramsey castrating, Theon made up for it by saving sansa fighting for the starks and sacrificing himself to keep bran safe

Aegon deserve everything that came or he has coming to him cause he has ALWAYS been a little shit, this isn't new that man-child his been doing it since he was a kid and haven't grown up hence "MAN-CHILD" I don't feel bad for what happened to him cause he fucking deserved it and I can't wait for more scenes of him looking pathetic and in pain, I can't wait for his "fight" against baela so she can cripple him even more, I can't wait for his poisoning scene so he can finally die

What does that maid deserve for having aegon raping her?, or those children aegon pays to watch?, or all those other maids who had to live in fear of him?

[thirstyvulcan]

Arya Stark: Fanon vs. Canon

Fanon Arya:

Canon Arya:

[helaenathequeenmaker]

I hope someone will take the trouble to warn Dalton Greyjoy to attack only and only the armies of Lannisport. Heaven forbid that innocent women know the fury of iron men LOL

[drakaripykiros130ac]

Green stans chastising Rhaenyra for having Dalton Greyjoy (the Red Kraken) as an ally, but conveniently forget that the greens are the ones who contacted him first and offered him the position of master of ships so he would be on their side.

*sigh*

And then when that didn’t work, the greens/Hightowers allied themselves with the Triarchy, a most dangerous enemy of Westeros. That’s basically treason against the entire Realm. Which just proves that the greens don’t give a damn about the people. They usurped the throne and now would do anything, ally themselves with anyone just to keep themselves in power.

[stannis-the-freaking-mannis]

asoiaf character bracelets ii!!

(i fucked up a few)

[evergreenr0se]

Can show defenders shut the fuck up now plz

[pessimisticpigeonsworld]

Every time I see Theon grouped with the Starks/Stark kids a part of me dies. He's not a Stark, that's literally part of his arc (in the books not the shit show)

[witchofvalyria]

What do you think interactions between Eddard Stark and Theon Greyjoy actually looked like day to day? Do you think Ned felt any responsibility for the person we see Theon had become, or perhaps the person he presented himself as, by the time of A Game of Thrones?

To answer this, I want to make sure that I'm not someone who enjoys Eddard's charachter. (For all of his "honor" he didn't even push for Rhaegar's family to have a proper funeral, and he was rather stupid into acting how he did while his two daughters were at court...)

I don't think Eddard was rude to Theon, nor did he treat him badly, and in Theon's chapters, we can see that he was closest to Robb out of all the Stark family, although he often wondered what Ned would think of his actions.

Though, I feel as if the show did change their relationship a bit, because they wanted Ned to have a good relationship with Ned and his kids. "You are a Stark and a Greyjoy."

He's actually not, he's a greyjoy who was taken from his family, had his father rebelled, he would have lost his head, which was never expressed in the show...

As a book reader, it's very clear that Ned was not the warmest to Theon, and his relationship with Robb was greater. Though most of this we know from pointviews rather than actions.

Theon also muses in ADWD about the possibility of Ned would allow him to marry Sansa to become a part of the family.

In AGOT, he fought with the North. (Wether he had a choice or not is a whole other matter.)

[eddardofthehousestark]

Theon stans acting like Ned and Robert making Theon a hostage after the Greyjoy Rebellion is some horrible thing that even Ser Roderick is disgusted by is honestly pretty funny. And it does reveal how little they understand of the politics of ASOIAF, or even the basics of why Theon is a hostage in the first place. Theon Stans writing metas about how horrible Ned was to Theon when anyone with two working braincells can see that being a hostage of Ned might suck but its still better than being a hostage of 99.99 percent of the rest of the Lords of the Seven Kingdoms. The Greyjoys decided to fuck around and they got their asses kicked. And to make sure they don’t fuck around again Robert and the rest of his vassals did the right thing and took a hostage. Theon ain’t special because of that. Him being made a hostage after the war is the bare minimum action any King would take to make sure House Greyjoy didn’t go full dumbass again.

Want to blame someone for Theon being a hostage. Blame his father first.

[goodqueenaly]

Hello hello! Just a question that appeared in my mind while reading ASOIAF: to what extent do you, generally, think houses from one region marry into one from another region? Not counting personal friendships and alliances made under the veil of war, since these are spontaneous in origin. Just, how common do you think they are?

It’s worth pointing out that in the geopolitical context of Westeros, marriages within realms, or between relatively nearer neighbors, often make sense. These neighbors often share dynastic and socio-political histories, religious beliefs, and cultural values, potentially more easily facilitating marriage alliances between such families. Additionally, marriages between closer neighbors can allow for more immediate geopolitical or dynastic gains - the trading of valuable nearby territory, say, the fealty of a truculent bannerman, or the inheritance of another family’s seat. So I would say as a general rule, most aristocratic marriages in Westeros probably happen between families within the same realm. The point is difficult to quantify, admittedly, without a real sense of the full ancestries of virtually any family save Houde Targaryen; yet I think it’s fair to look at the family trees of the Lannisters and Starks provided in TWOIAF, for example, or the most recent generations of House Tyrell, and say that intraregional marriages are the norm rather than the exception. 

However, none of this is to say marriages between families from separate kingdoms (pre-Conquest) or realms within the Iron Throne’s kingdom (following the Conquest) do not happen, or that there would be no advantages or sense to such marriages. While the Starks, for example, have usually (at least in the last roughly two centuries) married within the North, both Beron Stark and his granddaughter Jocelyn married the Vale-based Royces (the latter perhaps “encouraged” to do so by uncle Artos), while Willam married Melantha Blackwood (to say nothing of the wartime or quasi-wartime exogamous marriages of Cregan Stark and the most recent two Stark lords) - families who boast old First Men credentials (and, for the latter, a devotion to the old gods). Too, while GRRM often avoids multi-realm holdings within the same families, this sort of geopolitical arrangement does happen: see, for example, the marriage of Eleanor Mooton and Dickon Tarly, or (in perhaps a bit of a reversal of this circumstance) the betrothal between Tion Lannister and the Rowan daughter. There can also be instances where a ruling authority, either locally or more nationally, encourages aristocrats to marry outside their realms: Gyldayn notes, for example, that Rhaenys and Visenya “brokered many marriages between noble houses from the far ends of the realm, in hopes that such alliances would help tie the conquered lands together and make the seven kingdoms one”, while I think Quellon Greyjoy may have done the same to promote his anti-Old Way policies (with Quellon himself marrying a Piper and Harras Harlaw’s father marrying a Serrett). These are far from the only reasons cross-continental marriages occur, obviously, only a small sampling of possible explanations. 

Sometimes as well, GRRM introduces cross-realm marriages without much in the way of explanation. We don’t know, for example, why the Westerlander Elinor Costayne was initially married to the Stormlanders Theo Bolling, or why the Riverlands Prentys Tully married the Westerlands Lucinda Broome, or why Ned’s aunt Branda Stark married the Stormlander Benedict Rogers. That doesn’t mean there was no or could not have been any geopolitical analysis behind these marriages, only that the author didn't explain these marriages specifically.

[drakaripykiros130ac]

Gotta love being Team Black 🖤

Not only do they have just cause and great anti-heroes to root for, they also have the coolest allies:

Cregan Stark

Jeyne Arryn

Kermit Tully

Benjicot Blackwood (Bloody Ben)

Roderick Dustin (Roddy the Ruin): “We have come to die for the dragon queen!”

Alysanne Blackwood (Black Aly)

I am even excited to see that bloodthirsty maniac, Dalton Greyjoy, wreak havoc on Lannisport (with how much I despise the Lannisters, I ain’t even sorry. Go Red Kraken! ✊).

Could you repeat what you said, Otto? It was something about how the Realm would not accept Rhaenyra ? To which Realm were you referring to, pray tell? Certainly not the one which holds 53 Houses loyal to a woman.

Stale oaths? Just because the Hightowers and the Lannisters have a reputation of being opportunists and oath-breakers, doesn’t mean other houses are the same.

[spacerockfloater]

LMFAO! For everyone commenting about the Greyjoys, I imagine them summing their kraken the way Davy Jones’s crew did in POTC.

Condal doubling down on that the-sigil-of-each-house-is-sacred bullshit by having the Lannisters bring a lion with them on their campaign made me shed a single, silent, tortured tear.

If the Tullys don’t bring a gigantic ass trout in a fishtank with them, I’m not gonna keep watching the show.

[biwitchenergyz]

I think Blood and Cheese shows how Team Black is not really “Team Women” or “Team Feminism”. Not to say that Team Black does not have a lot of amazing female characters but I think that the male characters of team black (mainly daemon) make choices that are so anti-woman that it overshadows the female power of team black.

HEAR ME OUT😭

(TW: discussions of SA, Blood and Cheese, Murder, and war)

I’ve been re-reading fire and blood while waiting for the new season and I have noticed a few things that I don’t hear about when I see team Green and Team black having debates. Firstly, with Blood and Cheese, Daemon made a very specific decision to send two MEN into the Red Keep with the intent of killing a young boy who would likely be surrounded by his mother or a nanny( aka women). Wether or not he knew how they would do that is unclear but I genuinely think he would have had to help make some kind of plan if he wanted blood and cheese to carry out his order without issue (assuming blood and cheese were not smart enough to devise a plan and get away with it which I think would be the case). So saying that he does know that his assassins plan on trapping Helaena and her kids in Alicents room, then Daemon has allowed these two men (with sketchy backgrounds) to be in a position where they could commit sexual violence against these women ON TOP of killing a child infront of his mother and grandmother.

When discussing Blood and Cheese I’ve noticed nobody really talks about how they STRANGLED Alicents bed maid (aka another woman) and then tied Alicent up so that she would be forced to watch as her daughter was mentally tortured and her grandson is beheaded. At its root I think the blood and cheese event is deeply misogynistic because a majority of the victims end up being women who either lost their lives or are forced to watch the traumatic death of their loved one. Once again, Daemon and Mysaria willingly chose these two brutes to conduct their plan when they could have chosen a female assassin or a less violent death. (Although I do not think they were right to kill a child in any circumstances).

The greens committed war crimes that are unacceptable especially when it comes to the r@pes that occurred after battle but Team black is not exempt from this either. When they wanted to get the loyalty of House Greyjoy, Daemon suggested to Rhaenyra that they allow The Red Kracken to do as he pleases as long as he attacks their enemies and that is what he does. It is said in the books that he took hundreds of salt wives and kidnapped women and girls. Essentially, Daemon encouraged Rhaenyra into allowing this man to raid and r@pe her enemies and she decided to allow this. Not only that, but the greyjoys continued to do this even when king Aegon iii told them to stop.

To sum it up, Daemon (and partially Rhaenyra in some cases) had one woman strangled, two women (and a little girl) watch as their child relative is beheaded after they are threatened with rape, Greyjoy soldiers kidnapping and r@ping women without any consequences or pushback, and behave so creepily to a minor (nettles) that his wife demands the girls head and puts her life at risk.

I don’t think any team that Daemon Targaryen is on can be considered feminist. The only feminist team is team ‘all the women of house of the dragon were victims of the patriarchy and all of their actions were done because they thought it was their only chance at survival’.

Also based off show-canon, Daemon killed his first wife simply because he did not like her and wanted to be free to chase after some other teenage girl.

(This is just my opinion based off of the books and some parts of the show.)

[jedimaesteryoda]

Do you find the Ironborn an interesting part of GRRMs story and/or world building?

The Ironborn are clearly inspired by the Vikings with the revanchist Confederate sympathizers. The tradition of the kingsmoot where they elected kings is a unique development, but only lords and men with enough property (a ship) get a vote. It's a society effectively controlled by pirates. They also have slavery in the form of thralls, and yet refuse to call it slavery with an attitude of "yeah, but it's not like those people" despite it still involving kidnapping people, and forcing them into a life of unpaid, forced labor and sexual violence for women.

As someone who supports anti-colonial movements in real-life, I find them interesting. They are the westernmost kingdom with a history of using their technological advantages in the form of iron when the mainland used bronze, as well as longships, to colonize and plunder the mainland and enslave the greenlanders under a Manifest Destiny doctrine. After they lost those advantages and lost their independence, they kept the Old Way going by appealing to an imagined past. This effectively makes them the most easily despised society in Westeros with a steady mix of the worst impulses: racism, misogyny, hypermasculinity and slavery and liable to turn on each other.

The Old Way is represented by the Greyjoys, a family with systemic abuse, few real relationships with one another other than with Balon, and a lot of infighting living in a literally crumbling castle falling into the sea. Balon launches a rebellion, fails, suffering big personal losses and is then "don't worry, it'll totally work this time." He is an old man clinging to the past, brooding alone in his tower as his house figuratively and literally crumbles around him. Victarion personifies the Old Way as is: an unhappy, hypermasculine dumbass warrior with his imagination constrained by the limits of his ideology, making him a tool easily manipulated. Euron is the Old Way as it appeals to the Ironborn: appealing on the surface but a predatory monster beneath who promises an impossible dream destined for disaster. The Ironborn take it given he is offering them emotion, and Ironborn are deeply unhappy as a people. The Old Way doesn't give them the happiness it promises, but plenty of disaster when their victims inevitably fight back.

The Old Way is riddled with hypocrisy with Victarion saying the Shield Island ships fleeing battle ceased to be men when they retreated when he did the same thing at Fair Isle. Aeron disdains maesters for choosing a life of service when he did as a Drowned Man. They begrudge Robert's forces' invasion and destruction of the Iron Isles when they glorify doing the same to others.

There are however those who support a New Way like The Reader and the three Harmunds before him.

There is clearly a struggle between the Old Way and the New Way within Ironborn society going on for centuries. The three Harmunds encouraged friendly relations with the greenlands and trade as well as literacy with Harmund III trying to outlaw the Old Way. The Shrike led a rebellion against Harmund III and it resulted in an invasion of the Iron Isles and the Famine Winter after that starved, impoverished and depopulated the Iron Isles with the New Way rebuilding the Iron Isles.

Quellon Greyjoy tried similarly until he died and Balon reversed his reforms. The Reader himself is an intellectual in a society that frowns upon literacy and scholarship, yet it's what allows him to effectively challenge Euron by pulling back the curtain on his tricks. He knows the dreams of reviving the Old Way is a pipe dream.

The attempts to revive the Old Way keep ending in disaster, taking more Old Way ideologues with them. And even without that, reaving had been on decline for a while and replaced with trade with men "returning with treasures their forebears had never dreamed of." Rather than driving them forward, the Old Way holds them back and has been slowly dying.

The current generation of Greyjoys just may be the last gasp of the Old Way.

[horizon-verizon]

The Stark succession crisis is set up to be the funniest thing in the world because it just doesn’t exist for its delusional fans.

According to grrm’s affc and adwd outline, Sansa resolves to take the North, which means it’s not just going to be Littlefinger doing it without her input, she’s actively going to want him to mobilize the Vale army. Then you have Jon who’ll have a faction supporting him + Robb’s will legitimizing him and declaring him his heir. Then you have Bran who is the actual heir to Robb, but no one knows he’s alive. Then you have Rickon, whom the Manderlys support. Then you have Arya, who has some of the Northern lords too.

Then you have the Northern lords wanting to use the direwolves to legitimize the identity of each Stark kid. Then you have the North who has always operated under an inheritance system of male-preference cognatic primogeniture. In short, it’s hilarious as fuck because unless each of these kids says “no you have it,” I doubt “Stark unity” will easily resolve it. But hey, since everyone says the Starks are immune to the problems that plague the other houses, I’m sure they’ll all sacrifice their claims to give to their siblings and usher in a communist and anti imperialist utopia! (but without giving back the North to the CotF of course).

And the push back to this is even funnier because it proves that the Starks are probably the worst written “heart” of a narrative in fantasy literature. None of the other families are immune to conflict and angst. The Lannisters and Targaryens may be extreme examples, but the Baratheons, Martells, and Greyjoys have internal conflict as a foregrounding aspect of their arcs too. Sibling rivalry is supposed to be a central theme of asoiaf. The resolution is there too, but none of the other families just get a “well we’re the protagonists and our genes bestow protection against conflict so we’re fine.” The notion that genetics produces a family of ontologically benevolent people who are incapable of moral harm or internal conflict is explicitly fascist, btw.

So, either GRRM is writing a fascist narrative that privileges the Starks based on their bloodline and genetic destiny, against all of these other families and houses that apparently aren’t blessed with Honorable Unity Genes (tm), or he’s showing that no feudal house is immune to the effects of the game of thrones. Moreover, even beyond the reactionary optics of highlighting one specific house as unique among a sea of selfish warmongers, it’s just not good or interesting writing.

In short, it’s hilarious as fuck because unless each of these kids says “no you have it,” I doubt “Stark unity” will easily resolve it. But hey, since everyone says the Starks are immune to the problems that plague the other houses, I’m sure they’ll all sacrifice their claims to give to their siblings and usher in a communist and anti imperialist utopia!

Well, I think many fans whatever conflict that might or inevitably brew between the remaining Stark siblings with what you bring up will have it "quickly" resolved and all of a sudden it'll be bc "Winter is Coming"/the Others' encroachment on their "home".

The notion that genetics produces a family of ontologically benevolent people who are incapable of moral harm or internal conflict is explicitly fascist, btw.

Really love this bit. Bc, yeah.

[esther-dot]

What upsets me the most about the dumbass Sansa vs Arya thing (other than it only existing because antis hate Sansa that much) is that... what does it add to the story? This isn't fandom stuff, this is something antis genuinely want for the story, but what does it ADD? What is the POINT? What value does these 2 siblings fighting against each other would give to the story? To the message and theme? It's even more worthless than the boring Cleganebowl shit.

Sansa and Arya, two siblings from the main family of the series that the story centers on, fighting and hating each other is detrimental to literally EVERYTHING. ASOIAF is LOADED with family dynamics that are actually toxic and destructive to the members. We have the Targaryens, we have the Greyjoys, we have the LANNISTERS. Westeros is so bereft of families that love each other, making the ONE family that genuinely love each other and doing their best to reunite hate each other is so... just spit on GRRM and the effort he put into House Stark, why don't you?

I don't want to sound like a pretentious ass, but these people should not read a series like ASOIAF if they're gonna let their petty feelings and opinions impact the series as a whole. They can hate Sansa, but if they hate her to the point where it impacts their reading of the series, then put it down and go read something simpler. Or just stick to fanfics because their disturbing hate fantasy will never be canon, sorry antis

(about this ask)

I talked about this before and now can’t find the post, but Arya and Jon fans who hate Sansa are holding her responsible for the problems with society that Martin is criticizing. They are missing that society is being criticized from different angles to allow us to see all the ways it’s hurting people. Rather than realizing it isn’t the little girl who caused their pain, with them we are getting two critiques (coming from different directions) of their world. Jon is excluded, Arya is expected to conform.

Jon wants in, Arya wants out.

And of course, Sansa suffers as well. She may fulfill the ideal in a way that Arya cannot, but that doesn’t save her. We have Elia and Lyanna which is another picture of conformity/non-conformity —both of them die. There is a much larger part of the story here that is the driving force of what these characters suffer, it’s a shame to dismiss all of that in order to hate on Sansa.

I have no gatekeeping instinct. I’m happy to read different takes (within reason — absolutely no Sansa hate which is why I don’t do much with anyone beyond our corner), I have read and written Martin critical stuff, I don’t mind people coming away with different interpretations. I enjoy that (within reason), and that’s a part of who I am beyond fandom so that isn’t gonna change. I simply decide, “well, I certainly never want to hear from that blogger/that part of the fandom again,” but as far as I know, they’re an angry 13yo who will reread the series in a year or two and realize, oh, the Sansa and Arya conflict is created by external forces, and actually, they can understand the pressures Sansa struggled with as well. I’m a big fan of leaving room for growth, and literature has a special way of allowing us to see things in new ways and helping us evolve as I individuals. I’d never be in favor of taking it away from anyone no matter how much I think they misunderstand it. You never know what the future holds and if one day, they’ll get it.

Also, I don’t have a perfect grasp on what Martin is doing myself. The endgame of some of the characters strikes me as….uh, less realistic, and more, whimsical, so unless I’m gonna throw out my books, I’m not gonna pretend to be more deserving than any one else. I will filter and block though because when it comes to Sansa haters:

making the ONE family that genuinely love each other and doing their best to reunite hate each other is so... just spit on GRRM and the effort he put into House Stark, why don't you?

So, uh, not to annoy you further, anon, but I didn’t call what I had written “wish-fulfillment” for nothing. 😬 I definitely think expecting the Starks to kill each other is absurd, but as a Jonsa, I’m not sure how Arya would be able to accept that relationship, and I do wonder if it’s Martin’s way of allowing tension and conflict within the Starks even upon their reunion. Maybe I worry for nothing, but Jon is Arya’s person, he made her feel love and accepted, for him to be in love with Sansa…I worry that Arya would feel displaced, and how quickly Martin would find a resolution there.

Many others have previously looked at how Martin seems to have no problem writing brothers / guys having healthy relationships, but likes to have sisters at odds. There’s a dearth of healthy female relationships, so it’s an opportunity for him to break that pattern, and if Arya was accepting of it I suppose it could be a contrast to the Cat/LF/Lysa mess. That may be the goal he’s working towards, and to your point, that adds to the story in sadly lacking area. All the same, while I do think the Starks love and will be loyal to each other, I’m not sure how warm and cozy things will be on the page? I have some concerns about what he’s making room for. But that is the benefit of being in a fandom with so many emotionally mature fic writers who value and prioritize female relationships. I get to read healthy relationships either way!