#anti chalastor

[sapphicstoria]

This is going to be a long rant, but I feel more comfortable venting here than on twitter so.

I’m sorry, but I can’t stand a lot of Ch*rlastor fans. I seen one of them try to say it wouldn’t make sense for Chaggie to be endgame, because Charlie is bi and because she and Vaggie have been together for a long time. It made me so confused because how are either of those two things reasons why Charlie shouldn’t end the series with Vaggie? Her long term girlfriend that she’s in love with? And saying because she’s bi, it’d be weird for her to end dating a girl is so ????

It’s been established that Charlie is bisexual, that she’s attracted to men, and may even have had a boyfriend before dating Vaggie. They don’t have to show her dating a man, in the present, for her to be bisexual. And being bisexual doesn’t mean she has to be with a man, if she doesn’t want to. She loves Vaggie. She has never, and will never, be attracted to Alastor.

I’m tired of people constantly putting Chaggie down to praise their ship, when they could praise them without even bringing up chaggie or Vaggie. Saying she is a horrible girlfriend, that she’s not supportive enough, that she doesn’t care about Charlie. People even give Alastor Vaggie’s traits and say he “encourages” Charlie and cares about her dreams when he… does none of that. He uses her and only wants her for her powers. He doesn’t care about the hotel, and only helps because he wants to see it fail. He manipulates her and does not care about her like Vaggie does. It’s fine for fanon, but in canon he does nothing like that.

Vaggie cares so deeply for Charlie, because she is probably the first person who has ever shown Vaggie true kindness and love. They spent awhile being friends, but eventually dated and have such a strong relationship. They’re business partners, and best friends, along with being a couple. That’s one of the best types of relationships. Where you’re not just each other’s partner, but also best friend. Sure, they don’t have many too overly romantic scenes, but that’s just how their relationship is. They’ve been dating each other for years, and are adults. They probably went through their honeymoon phase, but now they’re so close that they don’t need to be overly romantic to show that they’re dating. Their scenes are perfect to show a close relationship.

But when they do have their big romantic scenes, they’re always the most beautifully animated. Like the scene of them first meeting. How Charlie didn’t even hesitate to help her, and when Vaggie finally seen there’s someone out there who does care. It was a touching moment for them.

I’ll never get over how beautiful their duet is. Not only the song, or context, but how it was animated. Their smiles, the way Vaggie was the one to sing first, when she is isn’t really a fan of singing but she knows how much Charlie loves it. The KISS. It was a perfect song, to show just how deep their feelings are for each other. And it made me bawl, when I realized it was a reprise of more than anything. Showing that Lucifer and Vaggie are the people Charlie loves more than anything.

I don’t see why people are judging them so quickly, when we’ve only seen eight episodes that were filled more with action and story than anything romantic. We’re getting more of their story in season two, even a look into their ~sexy lives~, and probably even more individual scenes of Charlie and Vaggie for their character. You don’t have to like them, but it really annoys me when I see people putting them down just to praise a mlw ship. :/ again, you can praise your ship, without having to attack Chaggie. And if you’re not able to do that, and can only bring up the positives of Ch*rlastor by picking apart chaggie as a couple, then maybe your ship just isn’t that great. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[magpie-allosaurus]

[deranged-fandom-quotes-archive]

Today we have another fandom anti who is opposed to Chalastor because it's 'pedophilic'. This is what happens when words are properly used, they no longer have any real meaning. These two characters are consenting adults, there is nothing of the sort in their relationship. The song in question is quite literally Alastor taking jabs at Lucifer; nothing more. Antis out here going out of their way to hurt real victims of CSEM. They have no idea how hurtful and dangerous this stuff is, making a laughing stock out of victims because of an object on a screen that doesn't exist is so damaging. The post in question. Their Quote Retweet.

[annafq]

i do not like vivziepop or what’s she’s done to the cast, but i do like the cast from other people specifically @murmurmurena take on chalastor that’s all the examples i have for the time

[asettledsky]

I think my brain has just decided that RadioApple (Alastor/Lucifer) is just the correct fanon.

Don't get me wrong, I do not mean canon (I would not want that ever, specifically because Alastor is AroAce but also for other reasons). And I do not mean that I do not like reading other Alastor ships if it's a good story.

But Alastor/Lucifer is just the most correct one.

Like, just as soon as Hell's Greatest Dad dropped and Alastor started in on the 'Just like a daughter I spawned' thing and every single Chalastor anti was like "SEE, IT'S GROSS! SHE'S LIKE HIS DAUGHTER!" I was immediately like.... That is obviously not at all what he meant. He was doing it to be a petty and annoying lil bitch towards Lucifer.

And then suddenly every fiber of my being was like annoying little shit? Charlie sees him as a surrogate father figure? Lucifer absolutely hates him? This is the best thing ever and I must consume 10000 fics about them immediately.

It really just fits in a way I cannot explain.

[ch3ri-ch3ri-lady]

how it feels to watch dad beat dad after being a hardcore chalastor anti since middle school

[spacedreamon]

Blacklist

General:

Factkin (EXCLUDING fictionalized versions of real people, Sanders Sides, DSMP, Hamilton etc.)

W-nd-g- kin [e,i,o] Unless you’re Native American

Media:

Hannible/Silence Of The Lambs

D H M I S

Sweeny Todd

Riverdale

House MD

Fresh (2022)

Delicious In Dungeon

Beastars

Characters:

Kinger (TADC)

Mike or any or his alters (Total Drama)

Wilbur/Ghostbur (DSMP)

Ships: (💛 = QPR allowed)

Radiodust

Chalastor

Radiohusk

Radiorose 💛

Lapidot 💛

Mutual Radiostatic (I would fucking die for onesided though)

Amedot

Minor x Adult

Incest

Songs/Artists:

Chapple Roan

The Dismemberment Song

Amanda Palmer/Dresden Dolls/Evelyn Evelyn

The Orion Experence

Doja Cat

Cardi B

Boyinaband

Wilbur Soot/Lovejoy

Marilyn Manson

Lizzo

J Cole

Hayley Kiyoko

Chris Brown

Kanye

(if you want to know why just ask)

Themes

NSFW stuff (excluding sources)

Meat/Fleshcore

Cannibalism

Hospital imagery especially mental hospitals

Yami Kawaii

Bulimia and Anorexia, other eating disorders are fine

Liminal Spaces

Claustrophobia

Poolcore

Miscellaneous

Userboxes about syscourse

Userboxes about being an anti or a proshipper

[fanby-fckry]

Requests:

Requests are currently open for mutuals only. I’m trying to limit requests at the moment, but will make an exception for mutuals if I think I can swing it.

Will Write:

Angst with a happy ending

Hurt/comfort

Fluff

Familial relationships

Found family trope

X reader

OCs

Canon x OC

Any relationship style: platonic, queer platonic, romantic, sexual, D/s dynamics

Most kinks

Explicit kink

Non-explicit sexual content

Might Write:

Hurt/no comfort

Crossovers

OOC

Non-canon disabilities and mental illness *1

Alastor as a Voodoo practitioner*2

Explicit sexual content *3

*1 If I’m going to represent a marginalized group, I’m going to do my best to do so respectfully, even in fanfiction. If I’m not confident in my ability to do that, then I may choose not to.

That being said, I’m down to research and I have lived experience with chronic pain and a few mental illnesses. I am extremely confident in my ability to project my own experiences onto my blorbos, and do so quite frequently.

*2 This is mainly for the same reason I won’t write non-canon disabilities. Voodoo is highly misrepresented and I don’t want to contribute to that.

I may write him as a past practitioner depending on the circumstances and as long as his current magic is not Voodoo-based. I don’t have the knowledge or the lived experience to be able to untangle Alastor’s current magic from Voodoo stereotypes, and I’ll leave that up to people who do.

My personal headcanon is that he grew up practicing Voodoo and ancestral magic, but burned bridges in the pursuit of power and lost support because being a cannibalistic serial killer is generally frowned upon. I usually write his current magic as non-specific, demonic, or Eldritch in nature.

*3 My ability to write explicit sexual content varies, so I’ll be taking this on a case by case basis.

Won’t Write – This Fandom-Specific Content:

Note: These are due to personal preference, deeply ingrained headcanons, and nunn’yuh (none ya business). I am not judging or condemning any of these ships/headcanons/etc. or people who make fanworks involving them; it’s just a comfort thing.

Hazbin Hotel:

Rosie in an NSFW context

Chalastor

Alastor x Niffty

Angel Dust shipped romantically with women

Vaggie shipped with men

The Witcher:

Yennefer bashing

Ciri (including adult!Ciri) shipped with any Wolf School Witcher

Ciri (including adult!Ciri) shipped with Jaskier/Dandelion

Won’t Write – This General Content:

Note: I’m not here to take sides in anti-/pro-ship discourse, kink discourse, or police other people’s writing; this is, again, about my own comfort level with writing certain topics. That’s it.

Scat/watersports/emeto kink

Adult x minor ships

Underage NSFW/smut/explicit, including any underage kink

Incest, including adoptive/step family

Detailed or romanticized non-con *1

Detailed or romanticized dub-con *1

Detailed or romanticized suicide *2

Detailed or romanticized self harm *2

*1 I can write aftermath of non-con/dub-con or attempted non-con/dub-con, but will not go into detail or portray it as in any way positive. I won’t write the reader or a canon characters as the perpetrator, unless it’s already in canon – AKA: The Valentino Exception. This does not include negotiated CNC, which I would consider writing under specific circumstances.

*2 Any time I write content involving suicide or suicidal ideation, I write with the National Recommendations for Depicting Suicide in mind.

The way suicide is portrayed in fiction can have real world consequences:

“Studies have shown that both news reports and fictional accounts of suicide in movies and television can lead to increases in suicide. In contrast, when depictions are done responsibly, the media can help to encourage help seeking, dispel myths, and reinforce hope – and ultimately save lives.”

(Source: Alliance for Suicide Prevention)

I am a suicide survivor and have lost loved ones to suicide as well, so this is deeply personal to me. If you’re struggling with self harm or suicidal thoughts, please hold on, and don’t be afraid to ask for help:

International Suicide Hotlines

Australia Lifeline: 13 11 14

Canada Suicide Crisis Helpline: 988

UK Samaritans: 116 123

USA Suicide and Crisis Lifeline: 988

[twelve-nights]

for the ask game:

What does fandom get right and/or wrong? (Such as gender or pronoun headcanons, or portrayals in fanfiction and fanart!)

oh boy. a lot of my ids are mischaracterized so this'll be fun LMAO

for kohaku: i am not transfem or fem at all. i didn't have much of a relationship with gender at all, but i was on the masc side if someone asked. i was also aroace and everyone ships me with my best friend (aira) for some reason i have yet to understand

for rinne: oh my god. yes i'm from a swap timeline but everything fandom thinks about c!me is so wrong too. i was not horny, i was not a fuckboy, i did not smoke, i did not say slurs, and whatever else fanon me does.

tldr: the enstars fandom is so wrong about everything and it makes me want to cry /hj

for sev: the anti-snape side of the fandom gets nearly everything wrong, i was not an incel, i did not like lily that way. the only times i've seen actually correct depictions of me are some fics and stuffs from severitus (surprisingly)

for alastor: i don't have much to say other than chalastor shippers depict me more accurately to my canon than anyone else and i don't know why. please don't kill me SOBS i know that ship is controversial

for senku: legitimately the kin that is depicted most correctly out of all of them but i guess smaller fandom do generally stick closer to canon n stuff. i find how people draw/write me and gen's interactions pretty accurate, even when there's shipping. i don't know why people ship me with kohaku though... we mutually Did Not like each other that way.

[sapphicstoria]

Vaggie being a good girlfriend, because im tired of people claiming she’s not:

[hatingfictionalcharactersisfun]

I'm annoyed with cheating plots like it's only ever justified by the OG partner is the bad guy so therefore the side partner is better. No. Just no. It's an irritating & stupid plot device, you can't just find any other way to make us root for a ship outside of affairs & cheating?

[arachnidlesbianism]

Whenever I see someone who makes Chalastor content I immediately assume they're cis/het no exceptions.

[sleepingmxxn]

Chalastor isn’t a bad ship

I have seen this ship getting so many hate so i decided to defend it so let’s start!

1. “ALASTOR IS ASEXUAL THOUGH!1!!”

Yes he is but he isn’t aromantic. People that are asexual could be in a relationship

Asexual means that a person who isn’t interested in a sexual relationship

Aromantic means that a person who isn’t interested in a romantic relationship

They aren’t the same thing. Don’t believe me? Here is proof

2. “CHARLIE IS A LESBIAN AND IS DATING VAGGIE!!1!”

Yes, I am aware that Charlie and Vaggie are canon but there are some people that like both or probably don’t like the pairing. I do like Charlie and Vaggie being together but i love Charlie and Alastor together as well and before you start accusing us of being homophobic all because people ship Chalastor instead of Chaggie is stupid since there are some people that respect it or ship both

3. “THAT PAIRING WILL NEVER HAPPEN YOU KNOW!11!”

*Sighs* Yes, we are aware that it will never happen. We are not begging the creator to make it canon

4. “ALASTOR BELONGS TO ANGEL THOUGH WHILE CHARLIE IS DATING VAGGIE SO CHALASTOR ISN’T CANON AND IT WILL NEVER BE!1!!”

Alastor doesn’t belong to anyone, he belongs to the creator. Alastor and Angel will never be canon as well but let people ship what they want. I don’t get why you antis get so toxic about this pairing when you need to respect them. They have done nothing wrong to you also the creator said this on Twitter

There is no such thing as a better pairing. If you dislike Chalastor then that’s fine but being an asshole towards someone that ships it isn’t okay. This is what ruins the fandom and that is shipping wars but other than that...

Chalastor is a valid ship and it should be respected as well as the other ships in this fandom

Edit : There were some people trying to point out that it’s pedophillia, it really isn’t because they are both adults. Alastor is in his 30s while Charlie is 146+ years old, trying to point out and saying that it’s pedophillia is stupid

Edit : So apparently I don’t really trust the stuff on the Wikipedia page. Viv said that some stuff in that Wikipedia isn’t really true so i decided to edit out that part. Anyways continue to ship what you want!

[chriscdcase95]

How not to debate Ships and Shipping

I am writing this from personal experience, and from noticing bad cases of Ship Policing going on in the Hazbin Hotel and Star Wars fandom as of late. I figured a bunch of kids got too much computer time from their parents and are in need of education, because this is a more extreme throwback to the shipping wars that occurred in the Twilight and iCarly fanbase from way back when. 

Since 2010, I have found myself a little immersed into the practice of shipping. At the start of this decade, I was Team Edward/Team Jacob levels of ship crazy, and here I am now with a new perspective on things. 

I've even devolved into multi shipping, but I apply that when it comes to compartmentalizing fanfiction and canon. I have my share of OTP's and NOTP's (although Jemma of Every Witch Way is personally my top NOTP for multiple reasons).

Anyways, welcome to my TedTalk where I will educate you ten to fifteen year old's about how not to debate ships. Take it from an old geezer with ten years of experience, I was there in the middle of ship wars at the start of the decade.

I said in previous posts that ships are a funny thing. They should be small in the grand scheme of things, and fans put them on this great and grand pedestals. Some to the extent where people become downright psychotic bullies about the ships they like or don't like, going as far as to police ships to other fans, and sometimes creators. I think we can agree Ship Policing should be seen as toxic behaviour, right ? Well, no. I'll admit that is a complex issue, even for a multi shipper like me. I brought this up in two Facebook groups I'm in, and the basic consensus is that Ship Policing is toxic behaviour -  except when they romanticize domestic violence, rape, pedophilia, etc.

But what is Ship Policing ?  Simply put, telling people who they are or are not allowed to ship; bullying and shaming others over their ships; and in the biggest extreme, sending death threats and rape threats to other fans over these pairings. The Jemma fans of Every Witch Way for example, are probably the biggest example of Ship Policing, seeing as they literally got the showrunners to rewrite the show to fit their ships fanfiction AU image. But that's neither here nor there, but the point is, AU's are best left to fanfiction or It's A Wonderful Life plots.

Similarly, the Hazbin Hotel fandom had this (hopefully/mercifully one) really bad apple coming the Chalastor fandom, who went on homophobic speeches and demanding that the showrunners make Chalastor canon over Chaggie because and RadioDust- in their own words - "Gays are gross" and went as far as to send death threats to the creators. Because that will certainly make your ship canon, and not make you and yours look like the Jemma fandom.

A less malicious and more hilariously petty example comes from The Loud House fandom, where Luanny fans tend to get butthurt over fans, fics and art of the Luaggie ship, despite the Luanny already being canon and Luaggie only ever existing in fanworks. It was such a one sided non-issue, that it was the Spec Ops the Line of ship wars.

Also within the Loud House fandom there is an artist who made OC's based off of his ships AU. I'm not into the ship or AU, but I saw him getting death threats not just to himself, but his OC's as well. I may not be fully aware of the situation (like I just said, I don't follow the ship or AU), but even I can call this a toxic and illogical way of thinking.

To make a primary and personal example for this lecture, I am going to bring up the most outlandish ship discussion I was part of the past year. Some time ago, I ended up in a debate regarding Kim Possible ships in a Facebook group I posted on. In it I said I wasn't into non canon but popular ship called Kigo. When I re-watched the series, the Drakgo and Kim x Ron (the latter of which I just realized didn't have a ship name) just kind of grew on, and I felt that there were some problems with Kigo as a romantic relationship.

Now I want to make sure to point out that if you like Kigo, that is 100% okay, it is just in my opinion that it would be problematic. It's my personal opinion that if you apply their canon characterization, you'll run into the same problems Anti Reylos have with Rey and Ben. Anyways, when I said my peace, most of the Kigo's didn't make a big deal about it; they took it in stride; calmly disagreed with me and stated their stance. This is what a proper ship discussion should be. It would have been one of the most stable, non toxic discussions I was a part of. Nothing memorable was supposed to happen.

Then she came along.

Since she isn't internet famous on this site or others as far as I know, I am not going to use real names because I don't want this person to be doxxed, stalked or cyberbullied, but I will us LP as a substitute. She will be our example of what a toxic anti will look like, and our example of how not to debate or discuss a ship. Simply put, if she had the fame, she would be the TrueLoveHeart94 of the Kigo fandom (look up Dumbsville's videos on him YouTube, and you'll get a good idea of what I'm talking about).

One of the first things to use is a simple explanation for your stance. When I was explaining my stance, I explained how I came to my conclusions simply by watching the show, putting some thought into it, and making my own opinion based on what I observed. Like I said these were my opinions, observations, and at no point do I claim it to be some objective fact. At no point to attack Kigo's, at no point did I call them toxic. The most I did was explain why I find it problematic. Like I said, if you like Kigo that is 100% fine and dandy, you'll get not hate or bullying from me.

LP on the other hand, well she just couldn't accept that someone didn't like Kigo. How dare I prefer two canonically heterosexual characters in a canon het ship. How dare I commit the crime of having an unpopular, differing opinion. Even worse how dare I try to explain my reasoning. 

It was one of those fan discussions. Now when I thought this was going to be a civil discussion, I asked her just why I was wrong not to ship Kigo. Why is Kim x Ron or Drakgo so toxic ? She didn't really give me a real answer; the closest she got to a coherent response was a borderline Darwinist rant about how "strong women shouldn't date weakling men".

That was what should have made me think "is this discussion worth having ?" (For the record, some of my favourite ship dynamics is with a tough or strong woman with a meek, even nerdish man so the whole "the strong shouldn't be paired up with weaklings" is a non argument to me).

Pretty soon she began breaking the following steps one should take in a debate

. Don't use double standards or Non Sequiturs - First thing you should be aware of in any debate is to actually listen too and answer you're opponents points. The talking points of dodging questions, or ignoring answers - a well as using those same answer to support your points - is an inherently dishonest tactic. If you have a point or counterpoint, it'll do you good not to use dishonest tactics to try to "win" your debates.

One of the things I had issues with regarding Kigo was one of the same points (if not the main) LP raised for the ship. As I said above one of my problems was some of the same talking points Anti-Reylo's raise. I pointed out how Kim and Shego have tried to kill each other a few times in the series, something LP both acknowledges and ignores in the exact same sentence. LP's own talking points for their relationship was their romantic/sexual chemistry could be seen in their fight scenes. This is an example of a Double Standard.

When I pointed out the abusive implications of this thought process, rather than directly answer this, LP went on to equate my point as accusing professional wrestlers of being abusive to their wives. This is an example of a Non Sequitur. She doesn't answer or address my points, and my points don't count unless they support her argument.

Double standards and Non Sequiturs in general should be avoided in any kind of debate. If a talking point is raised against you, it has to be addressed. Not doing so is a less dignified admission that you don't really have an answer.

Another example of this can be seen in the Team Edward vs Team Jacob noise; a Team Jacob fan could say that Edward was a stalker towards Bella, ignoring and dodging a counter argument of Jacob's "Nice Guy" attitude towards Bella and how he forcibly kissed her (also there's Charlie's non reaction to this, but that's beside the point). The same goes vice versa; both are problematic.

Use canon evidence to make your point - Admittedly this one can only really apply if you are making a case for a non canon ship, or pointing out problems with a canon one.

Now the reason LP was so impassioned about her arguments was her insistence that Kigo had to be canon. As she said, it wasn't enough that it was popular enough as a fanfic ship; it wasn't enough that I had to ship it; but she was trying to make the case that Kigo had to be the canon ship of the show, and she was trying to make the case for it.

TrueLoveHeart94 thought process aside, if  you want to make a canon case for your ship, it'll do you good in ship debates is use canon evidence. What I am saying is there are some ships that work in canon, others in fanfiction. If you were to make a point to prove your ship would work in canon, use canon examples.

For example, I mentioned above someone in the Hazbin Hotel fandom tried to make the canon case for Chalastor....by citing their personal homophobia and making death threats towards Ashley and Vivziepop.

In the debate, I used the show to explain why I wasn't into Kigo (as well as my above mentioned reasons) and I mentioned how I didn't see much in canon to see a romantic relationship. Now I want to be clear, I saw Kigo as a fanfic based ship and I am aware that Drakken and Shego seemingly reform at the end of the series, but with canon at best I see Kim and Shego as having a sisterly relationship. I also want to be clear I am not a canon purist. There are many non canon couples I like, I am a multi-shipper after all and I can compartmentalize fanfic couples with my canon OTP's. And I am a supporter of AU's. Hell, there's even Hero x Villain ships I am into...it's just Kigo isn't one of them. I am not an anti; I don't hate the Kigo relationship or it's fan; I just wasn't into it and the canon ships just grew on me when I revisited the series.

When I asked for canon examples that Kigo could work as a romantic pairing, LP's response was to cite fanfiction and fan art as proof.

Let me repeat; I asked for canon examples to prove her point, and why my stance was wrong....and she used fanworks.

I don't think I need to explain the problem here.

To my knowledge, not even TrueLoveHeart94 uses fanfiction/art to make a canon case for Sonamy. This is the kind of straw grasping I can see Chris Weston Chandler making. I don't even know what else to say about this. I still get slacked thinking about it.

Anyway, when I said the fanfiction isn't considered canon, LP responded thusly...

Avoid Ad Hominems and slander

Okay, this one should be a no brainer; when you are in a debate of any kind, there is one thing you can do that means you immediately loose your debate. Your points no longer become valid, you surrender any argument you may have, and you prove that you are not worth debating.

Ad Hominems, personal insults, death/rape threats, racist/homophobic ranting, slander, etc.

Let's just say the nicer things LP said was calling me retarded. I am not sure if that was a coincidence since I mentioned that I was autistic earlier in the discussion.

Keep in mind, all I did throughout the discussion was answer LP's questions, and explain my stance. I even said that it was just my opinion and at no point did I claim it to be objective fact.  At no point did I accuse LP of being racist; a nazi; biphobe; rape/abuse apologist; self-misogynist or misandrist; I never called her abelist (despite some of what she said above).

As for what she said to me ? Like I said, being called a retard was one of the more tame things she said of me. She kept sending me notifications that included angry, barely coherent rants, TrIgGeReD tExT, the whole nine yards.

See, this isn't how you win debates, this is how you rage quit these debates. To give you an idea of the way she was saying, I refer you to Dumbsville's videos on TrueLoveHeart94; the resemblance between LP and TrueLoveHearts comments are rather uncanny. Now for context, the discussion started approx. 6:00 to 7:00 PM...these notifications have been ongoing well into 1:30 AM.

And all this because I said I wasn't into a ship she liked.

That is when I put a stop to the discussion. I blocked LP and deleted the discussion just to be safe.

Conclusion

So as we start the new decade, I look back at how much I've seen making mountains out of molehills (shipping wars). I have seen, heard, even been part of these ship wars and discussions since  2010. My disastrous "debate" with LP is a recent example.

I do believe there is nothing wrong with discussing ships, but it has ben ten years and ship wars are just as bad as they were when Twilight hit the scene. I have heard stories of people getting threats of rape, doxing, threats to people families; people pushing others to self harm for liking "the wrong ship".

I wrote this to educate the young and impressionable in the 2020's not to repeat the same mistakes both I and others made in 2010. The fact the LP incidents is from 2019 and the incident with the Hazbin Hotel fandom are from December 2019 alone, shows that you good folks need some learning to do. Something that should be considered fun shouldn't be something worth hurting yourself or others over.

If you ever find yourself in such a debate, always remember to actually address points raised against you; don't dodge questions; if asked to provide canon reasons for why something should be a canonical OTP or NOTP, please remember that fanfiction are not considered canon examples; if you ever find yourself throwing nasty accusations, insults or threats to people's safety in a debate, then that means you lost the debate.

Hopefully you can follow this advise, and help make shipping fun again, and not something to start World War III over.

This had been my Ted Talk.

[sapphicstoria]

Is it bad that Charlastor stans have ruined my love for Alastor? 😭 constantly putting Vaggie down, to praise Alastor. It’s so annoying. Please, keep Vaggie and Chaggie, out of your mouth and just post about your character and ship.

Im talking about the twitter side of the fandom btw, not everybody.

[sapphicstoria]

I wanna be petty so badly, because Chaggie haters are the most annoying people to ever exist, but i also don’t want to cause drama.