#anti Zukka Stan’s

[broadwaybalogna]

honestly i typed out a whole essay about how much i hate zukka shippers (not the zukka ship. it’s a valid and cute ship. the shippers are just really obnoxious and i hate how they act like they’re better than zutarians/kataangers when it’s like. you’re a clown too. we’re all part of this circus. accept it. and like 75% of zukka fans also ship kataang anyways) but i deleted it. Putting my hater days behind me 👍

(fuck no i’m not also why do kataangers/zukka fans always say that zutara is a ‘ship for straight people’?? like as a nonbinary pan person. it’s just not??? like sure straight people can like it too but it’s such a fucking bisexual ship. my opinion is fact btw i am actually the CEO of Big Gay. saying a ship is ‘for the straights’ is just so fucking ridiculous like what. also it’s a baited but non-canon ship thats really popular in the fandom. that’s so queercoded tbh /hj)

Before I indulge in this ask I need to be honest, which one of my posts inspired you to write this in my asks? Like, genuinely. I don’t think I’ve ever talked about Zukka before so I’d love to know what sparked this.

I’ve personally never really understood Zukka. I kinda always saw it as the Gay Ship™️ (the ship straight girls make so they have something gay to drool over). While idk if it’s true, it’s a trend that can easily be seen in other tv shows.

Now, what I have seen with Zukka shippers, is that Zukka has a tendency to be shipped along with a more “mainstream ship” (such as kat@ang or Zutara). For instance, a Zukka shipper might ship both Zukka and Zutara. So they tend to overlap with many multishippers.

The multishipper mindset in the A:tLA fandom is a lot different than in other fandoms because of the holier than thou mindset many multishippers have. I’ve seen so many takes from multishippers that talk about how “omg we need to stop fighting just ship both it’s superior to just shipping one!” Now, I’m not saying all multishippers in this fandom act like this, I know many multishippers that are great at respecting the ship wars and how their mindset can’t change other peoples, what I’m saying is that I’ve seen a certain trend, and it wouldn’t surprise me if many of these people were Zukka shippers.

As for the “Zutara is a ship for straight people”

…

Since fucking when?

So many queer people ship Zutara it’s actually crazy like finding a straight Zutara shipper is like looking for a needle in a haystack because even if they are straight, they sure as hell don’t act like it. Like, so many Zutara shippers are comfortable with their sexuality that girls are not afraid to say: “omg timeskip Katara is the most attractive woman ever I wanna kiss her so bad” or vice versa with Zuko.

So yeah, that’s my opinion on Zukka. I couldn’t really care less about the ship, though. It just exists to me.

[katerina-q]

So you are not Zuko and Dallas fan unless you ship ztr and dislike kataang (a CANON ship) and Zukka?

This is a different level of deranged 😭

[dragonfoxandfound]

That's the weakest reason I've ever seen for thinking those two would work.

I'm just looking for a logical reason for why you think that ship would work.

Babes, you don't ever owe anyone a reason or an explanation for why you like a ship. You don't need to prove to anyone how or why it would work to justify your enjoyment of it.

These Shaprioesque Aang/Kataang stans have no interest in actually learning about why you support a ship. Their only goal is to make you feel stupid for liking it.

The irrational hatred driven by the weaknesses of thier imagination are not your problem to solve. Shipping has never required sound logic and you don't need to start providing it now.

[ecoterrorist-katara]

love love love ur parentification analysis on sokka and katara especially katara’s section! it puzzles me so when KA’s say ZK’s do not understand the show nor katara when to me it’s so obvious we do 😭

thank you so much anon! I’m so happy that my post resonated with you!

A while back I saw a Tumblr survey about favourite characters and ships. It basically showed that for people whose favourite character is Katara, Zutara is the most popular ship. Obviously the Venn diagram between Zutara shippers and Katara fans isn’t a circle, but I think the overlap contributes to why so many ZKs are passionate about Katara. Also, ZKs who are Katara fans tend to be pretty flexible with Katara ships: many people like Harutara / Jiangtara / Yuetara / Sukitara / Azutara (though most shippers of Azutara tend to be Azula stans first and Katara stans second). What’s really funny and a little sad to me is that non-ZK Katara fans who dislike her canon arc get accused of being ZKs by antis (this happens weirdly often to @sapphic-agent). It’s like some antis can’t comprehend the idea that people might just love Katara without the ship war.

I generally like reading POVs from Katara fans of all ships, but I recently discovered that I tend to disagree with POVs from Zukka shippers. They often try to defend Katara’s “childhood” by pointing out that Katara sometimes goofs off and Sokka also takes responsibility, so she’s not just the “mom friend.” To be clear I’m not disagreeing with those points, but I don’t think downplaying her parentification trauma is defending her childhood, especially since goofing off & being impulsive make her parentification more realistic, not less. It feels kind of disingenuous to accuse the fandom of being the ones to parentify her when The Runaway exists, especially since they downplay Katara’s parentification in order to play up Sokka’s parentification. There’s nothing feminist about ignoring the invisible labour performed by a woman in a cartoon, not when brave women IRL have been agitating to recognize care work for literal decades. I wrote my undergrad thesis on invisible labour performed by women, especially women of colour, in radical activist spaces…so I feel really strongly about this.

I think it’s interesting that a lot of ATLA fans claim Katara shouldn’t be with Zuko on the grounds of her colonial trauma, but refuse to entertain the notion that maybe she shouldn’t be with Aang (a kid who evades responsibility) because of her parentification trauma. The murder of her mother stems from imperialist violence, but her subsequent parentification stems from patriarchal gender norms around divisions of labour and assignations of responsibility. The patriarchy is a thing in ATLA, and it’s canonically something that Katara hates almost as much as the Fire Nation (incidentally, reason 27363729 why the fic Southern Lights is so special to me is how it deftly explores both anger at a colonial apparatus & anger at your own people for their patriarchal oppression).

[fixtheaxel]

Zukka is not misogynistic

I'm getting increasingly frustrated by the number of people (particularly zutarians) who are claiming that Zukka was made as some kind of fix to Zutara.

A claim I've seen going around is that it's a 'watered down' version of Zutara. Or that Zukka shippers are just trying to take the woman out of the equation which.... what?

Like i'm sorry, but if you see a gay ship and you call it misogynistic because there's no woman you may want to re-evaluate your politics. Usually you've gone so far left you've looped back to right.

You are viewing straight as the default, and gay as the 'subversion' of that. Thats something you have to analyse.

This is how dumb y'all sound to me:

'how dare the gay ship not have a woman!? 😡 You don't like women?! If you want gayness leave it out of the main characters!!!'

Like, shut up. Relax. And maybe consider analysing your biases.

[atla-confessions]

Fandom especially Zuko stans love to coddle zuko and minimize every other characters trauma to elivate his. And as much as I love the Zukka ship they are a major culprit of this. because I am tired of where Sokka is played as furthering Zuko's trauma with his callousness and can't he see that Zuko is fragile. Alot of fans take one of the greatest things about Zuko his fire and his rage In the pursuit of making him the perfect whumpy victim and it's just sooo sad. like I know of the gang Sokka and Toph have the least talked about trauma but they are still traumatized.

Also Zuko is not unconfrontational with the exception of Katara he is probably the most confrontational people in the series.

X

[saltyaboutfictionalcharacters]

Will never understand why people feel the need to come on to a post about zutara just to say how much they hate it and how they only ship zukka, then in the next sentence say "tho of course I don't hate it because of zukka" but fail to provide any other reason. Zukka is literally the same premise as zutara without the parallels, interactions, narrative weight, or screen time. The only reason these people hate it so much is because it has a female character in it. And god forbid a feminine brown girl get shipped with the most popular character in the show, let's just push him at the nearest teenage boy he has maybe 5 collective minutes of direct interaction with.

No one asked. These people seem incapable of making their own posts.

[fanfic-lover-girl]

Bad faith Zukka and Kataang stans need to stop slandering my boy Zuko! The hypocrisy especially from Zukka stans is disgusting. All of Zuko's "wrongs" seem to magically vanish if he's homo.

Kat@ang / Zvkka shippers love hurling the "colonizer x colonized" accusation at Zutara (thoroughly ignoring that this "criticism" would by their logic also apply to the Zvkka ship, since Sokka is Katara's brother), but if ANY Zuko ships are "colonizer x colonized" it's Jetko and Jinko.

The Earth Kingdom was the only country being colonized by the Fire Nation. That never happened to the Southern Water Tribe, despite what Zutara antis love to claim.

And funnily enough, this “Zuko is a colonizer!!” argument only seems to be applied to Katara. Not the two Earth Kingdom teenagers (Jet and Jin) Zuko is also commonly shipped with, one of whom he went on a date with in canon.

Also strange that the people who cry “Zuko is a colonizer! You can’t ship him with Katara! He’s her oppressor!”

A. Turn right around and ship Zuko with Sokka, Katara’s brother

B. Completely ignore both Zuko’s redemption arc and the fact that he himself was a banished prince disowned by the royal family + was a refugee in hiding from his own nation with a bounty on his head by Book 2

Zuko is not actually a colonizer (that's not a personal descriptor anyway) in the first place. It's not like he spent the majority of two books exiled and then on the run from the Fire Nation, spent the last book considered a traitor by his home country (for joining Team Avatar) until he was crowned Fire Lord, and then spent his whole reign post-A:TLA decolonizing the Earth Kingdom, or anything.

So hmmm, methinks the whole "Zutara is colonizer x colonized" argument is bullshit and Zutara antis know it.

[longing-for-rain]

I don’t even understand the character Sokka stans are stanning. It’s not even Sokka. It is like they are taking the big strong tough guy Sokka thinks he is and acting like that is his actual character when it isn’t. I know not all of them are z*kkas but it does seem like atla renaissance and z*kka popularity added to this trend of taking Katara traits and giving them to Sokka instead

Me neither? I honestly don’t dislike Sokka as a character. I never particularly related to him like I do with other characters, but what frustrates me is how the fandom treats him in relation to other characters, especially Katara.

I definitely agree with you that there was a noticeable shift with the ATLA renaissance in 2020. I was in the fandom long before then and the biggest shift I saw was character bashing taking a faux-progressive spin. For example, Mai bashing used to involve calling her ugly and abusive, but shifted into shoving her into sapphic side ships for the aesthetic instead (while still making jabs at her appearance and demeanor, of course, because people can’t be normal about lesbians). As for Katara, it’s even worse. I’ll get into that.

I remember that historically, Katara has been one of the most bashed and hated on characters in the fandom. People would call her bossy and self important, say she was too emotional, that she was too rude, that she didn’t care about other people’s problems, etc. It was blatant back then, but I honestly see the same trends now, just more covertly. People acting like Katara is not as mature as Sokka, not “mom friend,” or otherwise downplaying the responsibilities she had to take on, fundamentally, are operating on the same logic. They do it in a very jokey way a lot of the time or even act like they’re “letting her be a kid” but really it’s just erasing the nuance of her character in the same way overtly misogynistic fans once did.

Because here’s the thing. We can all recognize Katara was forced into a parental role at an early age and that wasn’t fair to her. But acting like that was something that randomly happened on its own is not addressing the problem. But these fans refuse to address the problem by answering the question of why Katara constantly has to take this role…because that would require them to hold Sokka and Aang accountable for their actions and these people will not do that.

I really do think this is tied in with zukka too. I will say that I’m not a zukka anti. I actually really enjoy some zukka content because it can give a refreshing perspective. But I do see a lot of characterizations that are deeply annoying because they really seem like they’re trying to replace Katara. They want the Zutara dynamic but want slash. And I know these characterizations are no longer unique to zukka, but I would agree they were popularized by it.

Just off the top of my head:

The character who is the first of the group to trust Zuko? That was Katara. Sokka was the one in favor of leaving him to die whereas Katara trusted him twice during Book 2.

The character who emotionally connects with Zuko? That’s Katara.

The character who Zuko feels safest letting his guard down around? That’s Katara.

The character who helps Zuko heal from his trauma? That’s Katara.

The character known for showing the most compassion to others? That’s Katara.

The character who primarily bears the burden of having to step up into a parental role? That’s Katara.

The character who represses their emotions to be strong for others? That’s Katara.

And yet, for some reason, there is this new wave of fans who take all of these traits central to Katara and give them to Sokka instead. It’s just frustrating. Sokka is his own character. He’s different. I really just think this is a new brand of misogyny where we take traits like these for granted in female characters but overemphasize them in male characters.

[corpsedisturbed]

im well aware there is a problem of racism within the zutara shipp community, i won't pretend to be dumb and say i don't notice how a lot of fanworks have katara abandon her culture in order to become fire lady or how zuko protects her from "the evil misogynist men from the water tribes" and how the fire nation is sm cooler than the southern water tribe, the whitewashing, etc. those are real things, it's disgusting and as a POC, it makes me feel insecure in the fandom. there is a problem w nsfw fanarts and fanfics of zutara as minors too

but all of this isn't limited to the zutara shippers and this isn't a defense but a plea for all of you to look closely with what and who u interact w. literally this week we saw a kataang shipper be exposed as a racist and a harasser. I'm on twitter again and her interactions w other kataang shippers are many but the warnings coming from other people come a long way too and i barely saw any ka addressing the situation. there was a exposed of a zk group chat some months ago who were actually proshippers and the exposed was created by a zutara shipper who was even harasseed by zk shippers (the ones in the gc and others too)

avatarfandompolice is another racist user who receives a lot of attention too. zvtara-was-never-canon is managed by a zucest shipper. hell there is a literal zionist lurking around both the zk and ka fandoms (starlight-bread-blog)

a lot of the anti zutara discourse i see the majority of time doesnt actually focus on the racism the fans have towards katara but go on to call it a toxic shipp and a colonizer/colonized shipp. funny thing is, these people praise zuko's arc and his friendship w the gaang. if u actually think zuko is a colonizer and he shouldnt be w katara romantically, he shouldnt have a friendship w any of the gaang either. they all suffered under the FN's imperialism but this discourse only appears when romance is brought up and specifically w zutara. as i said before, there is a problem of racism within the zk shippers but it isn't inherent to the shipp. a lot of times this anti discourse comes from a need to have moral high ground. but honestly, do u think u have moral high ground while stanning kuvira, a grown ass woman who put waterbenders and firebenders in concentration camps? do u think u have moral high ground when u insist zutara is ass but ship zukaang, a boy who is 12 and the other who is 16? do u think u have moral high ground when u ship azula and zuko, the siblings? do u think u have moral high ground while u shipp zukka and doesnt think it is colonized/colonizer bc "sokka doesnt care ab his culture"?

and it goes both ways btw. zk shippers, do u think u have moral high ground when u interact w racists fanworks and refuses to aknowledge their existence but at the same time say kataang is inherently misogynist and their shippers too? do u think u have moral high ground when u attack zukka by being homophobic? do u think u have moral high ground ignoring that by having a redemption's arc, zuko needs to have smth to redeem about and that something is his horrible fucking choices a lot of yall try to woobify? do u think u have moral high ground when u try to justify zuko being a bad and possessive boyfriend just bc u don't like mai?

there is a problem of racism, misogyny and homophobia in the fandom and im tired of everyone pretending their little bubble is perfect and never a part of the problem. i love avatar but anyone w half a brain knows the show is racist and stereotyping at times, just like the creators. yk, the two white men who appropriated a lot of things.

it was a long rant and i don't expect people to read it but I just needed to rant ab it anyway

[prying-pandora666]

I can see why you voice Azula. Your manipulative and a liar just like her.

You say you have nothing against Zutara but you defend Aang anytime we have valid criticisms of his sexism and racism.

You are highly critical of Maiko and yet you claim to love both Zuko and Mai. If you loved them so much you’d want them to be happy together.

You reblog any Zuko ship that isn’t Maiko. Casually scrolling your blog I have seen you support Zukka, Jinko, Toko, and Zutara but that last one is obviously fake because you also criticize the pirate scene.

Meanwhile you hypocritically support Azula ships like Sokkla, TyZula, and Mailee. You don’t call out Zucest either just like your TERF icon Grey.

Your obvi a Kataang shipper in disguise. Zutarians have been fighting this battle since the beginning. We won’t fall for your Trojan horse.

Azula always lies.

I can see your entire post history behind your eyes. You were born with nothing. And you’ve had to troll, and plagiarize, and drama-post your way to the top.

But true power? The divine right to multi-ship? Is something you’re born with.

Your followers (if indeed you have any) may not know how this is going to turn out.

But I know.

And you know.

Those allegations against Grey Delisle were false. Katy Perry stans made them up because Grey called Katy out on voting for anti-gay politicians.

Whoops. Guess you’re not as informed as you thought.

Don’t flatter yourself.

You were never even a shitposter.

[dragonfoxandfound]

Kataang fan: Sokka/Katara would never want to rule the nation that killed thier mother. They would never want to be with Zuko because the Fire Nation killed their people.

Also Kataang fans: Zuko and Aang are best friends, they're practically soul mates!

Apparently Katara's forgiveness of Zuko and Sokka's trust in Zuko means jack all to Kataang stans whenever convenient.

[the-badger-mole]

So I’m a Zukka shipper not a Zutara shipper and I’m not as anti-Aang as you are but I love following you because you aren’t afraid to engage with the flaws in Aang and the source material. Like it’s an amazing show but it’s not as perfect as people make it out too be and several of those flaws come from how Aang’s flaws are never truly addressed

Like people claim that Aang overcomes his running away impulse to defeat Ozai and I’m like - did we watch the same show? This boy left his friends scrambling to come up with a brand new plan on the fly with mere hours to go before the genocide of the earth kingdom because he had to run away and try and come up with a solution that didn’t compromise his 12-year-old understanding of his cultural values.

Anyway - thanks for your thoughts, I don’t agree with all of them but they are always refreshing

Thank you! Glad to have you on board, differences and all.

Honestly, most of my outright hatred for Aang came in the post series when he didn't change or grow in the comics and Bryke and all the Aang stans were out not only excusing his flaws, but treating them like he was right all along! I have literally had someone come to my page and tell me that Aang didn't have to grow because he was supposed to have a flat arc, and then also defend his worst moments because he was a child who didn't know better. Which is it? Is he wise beyond his years and the only voice in the show we should trust? Or is he not responsible for his actions because he's...12 (and still should know better)?

I'm going to blow your mind a little and say him disappearing the night before his fight with Ozai wasn't completely his fault. Then I'm going to fix it by saying, it was the fault of the writers because they knew they didn't want Aang to kill Ozai, but chose not to address it until they'd literally painted themselves into a corner where killing Ozai was the only choice that made sense. Because of their refusal to make Aang grow and learn and be an active participant in ending the war, Aang looked selfish, short-sighted, and criminally, dangerously naive, and the only way to get out of it was TWO dei ex machina. Why would they not show their hero contemplating his duty and wrestling with it before the second to last episode? No idea. But it is Bryke's fault that I hate their pet character so much

[survivalove]

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[atla-confessions]

In fact nearly 80% of the zukka posts that mention zutara come from this blog and it's usually someone going on about how zukka is better than zutara.

I'm not the fact checker anon but I did check this fact and it is categorically wrong.

I went throufgh the entire Zukka and anti Zukka/anti zukka shipper tags neither tag had much content so either there are just nit a lot of confessions about them (which honestly makes sense) or they previously weren't properly tagged (no shade to mod ). there was one ask that referenced another ask but I could not find it so either it was deleted or tumblr search if fucked and both are possible so just keep in mind that there might be more.

But from what I found most pro-zukka posts weren't even about zukka, zukka was just one ship listed among other rare pair/lgbtq ships or alternative fire sibling water sibling ships

there were maybe 3 posts that explicitly was about Zukka saying that Zutara/ the shipping war was ridiculous and people should hope sides.

the rest were headcannons or responses to previous takes on Zukka.

Now for the anti zukka shippers/ anti zukka tags

if something was anti zukka it was also tagged anti zukka shippers except for one ask that was about the characterization of zukka within the ship but had no problem with the ship itself.

One person admitted they just didn't like zukka no reason given

Majority of the posts were about how Zukka stans are all fujoshis who only like the ship because it's gay/yaoi (a lot of pro zukka posts are in response to this)

Atleast 40% of the posts were people complaining about Zukka shippers attitudes towards Zutara (very little evidence of that attitude on this blog but then again this is a vent blog I'm sure it's probably happening fandom tends to bring out the worst in people) but yeah within that about half of it was people saying that calling Zutara a colonizer x colonized but shipping zukka is hypocritical (which true)and that their reasons for why it's not are flimsy. And the other half is saying that Zukka became famous of the back of Zutara or they got popular by purposely antagonizing zutara and saying they are the true solution to the ship war which no (if anything it would be zukaang because Katara's interest is the polarizing topic or some version fo zuko/aang/katara but realistically none of these ships would stop the ship war because that is not what the ship wars is about)

The rest of it is calling Zukka repurposed klance and comparing about the toxicity thepandemic boom brought to the fandom.

so yeah do with this information as you will. Remember that this is only for this specific confessions blog.

Actual Fact checker anon please feel free to run your own diagnostics and see if you find something different because I would not want to misrepresent either side (sincere)

thank you

X

[saltyaboutfictionalcharacters]

Just saw a zukka au where he's the moon spirit. What is it with those shippers and stealing entire storylines from female characters lmao