#anti Jace herondale

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I’ve seen book stans shitting on the show (and also CC) but I’m just saying, it could have been a lot worse. I’m not here to say it was perfect except for malec which was wonderfully done. but imagine if it followed the books. if it followed the incest, Simon cheating, Alec being biphobic, magnus not communicating very well and also basically going after 17 year old Alec, and all the other unnecessary shit and problematic writing

so yes, I’m glad they changed the show. I’m glad they upped their ages and didn’t make it all about clace, and actually did Malec well. it’s always so funny to me “tHeY dIdN’t FoLlOw ThE bOoKs” ok so what’s the problem lmao IM FUCKING HAPPY THEY DIDNT

it is a shit show but watch it just for malec and watch Alecs development, these two lovely men falling in love with each other, it’s a fucking treat. so I’m going to doing my millionth (probably) rewatch. I will ignore clace, have no interest in jace and clary (because I hate them and they’re shitty characters as we know them to be.) and get excited about Malec. I don’t care what anyone says but Matt and harry seriously gave their characters their fucking all. they created (I think) these parallels for them and deepened their characters, and added some neat tidbits. stuff that wasn’t included in the books because CC didn’t give a fuck about them until it made her money (just my opinion.) lmao

to me, they’re so underrated because harry and Matt seriously made you endure fucking clace just to watch the show for malec. that’s some fantastic acting 🥲 so I’ll be bitch posting while I’m enduring this show for my favs: Alec, magnus, and Izzy 🥰

[apples-and-heartbreak]

I feel like when I’m reading or watching something, for me to like a hero, they have to

1) have ambition about anything

2) not be annoying

3) not excuse their shitty behaviour with their shitty childhood

4) not be so self-righteous they don’t see their own flaws

For these reasons I hate with a burning passion Jace Herondale, Clary Fairchild, Eli Ever, Tiberius “Cal” Calore VIII, Dean Winchester, and Legend/Dante Santos

Jace is constantly doing something shitty in every book and people don’t care and they just put up with it for some reason. In CoG he belittles Clary because he wants to push her away but keeps coming back to her. He also keeps coming onto Clary when he thought she was his sister and said that cursed sentence in CoG that I need to bleach from my brain. I know if he said that shit to me I would’ve punched him in his stupid face cuz who does he think he is? He mocks the werewolves after they lost a child in their pack, he’s just awful to Alec at times, he doesn’t seem to understand there are consequences to his actions and just does shit because he wants to. He had the emotional maturity of a dried up pinecone.

Clary also does so much shit and people don’t call her out because she’s the protagonist and she just lets Jace do whatever to her because he’s hot. Girl please get a grip. She slut shames Izzy because apparently women aren’t allowed to have a sex life or wear revealing clothing 😒 girl you kissed someone you thought was YOUR BROTHER!! She dated Simon to get over Jace and then kissed Jace in the Seelie Court, and repeatedly thought about Jace in a romantic sense WHILE she thought they were SIBLINGS! I can’t.

Eli is so self-righteous, annoying and hypocritical. He uses God and religion as an excuse to kill innocent people which is just disgusting. Like I get that he thinks being an EO changed a person because Victor became different but he is an EO himself and he just takes it on himself to murder innocent people for simply existing.

Cal has no desire to do anything, at least up to the beginning of King’s Cage he doesn’t (where I currently am). He knows how poorly the Reds are being treated and he doesn’t want to change anything because (and I’m paraphrasing) there would be outrage among the Silvers and a war would break out. Bitch you are already at war! He’s the reason why so many innocent young Reds have lost their lives fighting in a war they have no say in. He sees the Scarlet Guard killing Silvers and he doesn’t try to stop them. He sulks and whines but doesn’t take any real action, which he could if he actually wanted to. He stalks around the camp like Mare’s dog and thinks he’s better than everyone.

Dean Winchester is an abusive asshole. He locked Sam in the cellar when he was addicted to demon blood when he knew the withdrawal could kill him. He shit on Sam for being manipulated. He’s made horrible perverted jokes about women, might I remind y’all of the high school episode (he was at least 26 at the time). He guilted Sam for leaving him in Hell and Purgatory when he did THE EXACT SAME THING when Same went to the cage. He threatened Kaia, a teenager at gun point for his own selfish purposes. He abused Jack til the very end, yelling that he wasn’t family when Jack had sacrificed his soul and life for the Winchesters, and made Jack hate himself for being born. He was shitty to Cas in so many seasons and didn’t care that Cas just went through seeing his son die and wasn’t able to save him. He violated Sam’s body by tricking him into letting Gadreel in which led to the death of Kevin and had the audacity to think he was wronged.

Dante is shit. Julian, his brother, lived with him for centuries, followed him wherever he went and loved him unconditionally. All Julian asked was for Dante to love him back, which he never did. When Julian finally found someone who loved him, Dante made fun of him. And then in the next book he gives up his immortality for Tella, a girl he has known for literal months at most. He didn’t love his brother, who has been with him since the beginning, enough to give up his immortality but he loved this random girl he has known for a couple months at most to give it all up?? Tella should’ve left him in the dust just like she did Jacks and went off on adventures by herself and met someone that wasn’t a twat.

[a-random-insomniac]

Unpopular opinions about TSC

This isn’t particularly unpopular but I don’t like Jace. Sorry to Jace fans. I was mainly neutral about him my first time reading TMI but I recently came across anti Jace posts and then reread TMI and started not liking him. I guess it makes sense that he started out as Draco Malfoy (in a fan fiction). TDA Jace was superior tho, but that's probably just because he's not the main character.

Lucie Herondale deserved better. Like, she is such an interesting character and her powers (to me) were more interesting than James. Also, she was Cordelia’s parabatai sos he deserved more time in the book.

The main couples were pretty boring (this might just be me because I get that with basically everything). Sorry but I already know that they are going to end up together and I’ve already seen so much of them, I just want to see the other characters.

The sibling relationships are so unrelatable. The ones that remind me of my siblings the most are Ty and Mark at the start of TDA (I too would throw a wooden dagger at my brother) and Thomas, Barbara (RIP Queen 👑) and Eugenia (Saying this as a middle child with an older sister and a younger brother).

This isn’t actually an opinion but after reading TMI I was pronouncing parabatai as ‘Paba-ra-ti’ and I could not understand parabatai jokes for ages 😭

I don't like the Shadowhunter show. I don't actually feel as strongly about this as I do in other opinions because it feels so different from the books. It has it's good moments but it all feels weird because Raphael is aroace in the books and he's such special character to me.

I did not care about Christopher's death. I feel so bad about it but I just think he is a poorly written character with a poorly written death. The protagonists did not care about him (by protagonists I mean James and Matthew) and everyone's reactions were so underwhelming. It just felt more like CC wanted a heart-breaking death than an interesting character and there was no point in him dying.

[couragehopelovefaith]

Ship-wise, Climon isn't the best Clary-endgame in my books (that title will always belong to Clizzy) and I love Saia, but I can't deny that their chemistry, connection and scenes in general have always felt much more deeper and natural to me than Cl*ce's.

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okay quick jace wayland yap but for me also i think even though he’s an obviously shitty person in the show we still see him through clary’s biased lens, and i think she also interprets him as in love with her long before he actually is. so in episode two (s1) when she’s told that the city of bones might kill her by jace she’s a lot more willing to go in then if for example alec had said it, because she interprets jace as in love with her therefore extra concerned about her safety. him telling her that there is possible death waiting for her reads to her more like that list of possible side effects that never actually effect anyone on a bottle of medication rather then the actual, “there is a 50/50 chance you will die” warning that it is.

jace is both better and more evil from clary’s perspective, because he isn’t actually in love with her until later in the show and treats her as such, but she is seeing all of this come from someone she believes loves her. jace is also just really careless with her safety which results in this fascinating situation where clary believes he is backing her up and supporting her right to shadowhunt without training because he is in love with her. but in reality jace is just reckless and careless about the rules and laws because he’s never been effected by them, he doesn’t change for clary this is just the natural order of things.

[thechangeling]

1, 2, 20, 22 for the tsc ask game

(Although I’m already pretty sure 20 is Ty for you)

1. Fave tsc series: Definitely tda. I love kitty and kierarktina. I like Emma a lot in LM (less so in the others,) I like Julian in places. I think the plot of the first two books is cool. I've found a new appreciation for Livvy. I like Dru. I really love the Blackthirn family dynamic. Honestly I could go on.

2. Least favorite series: tmi definitely. There's just so much yikes about those books and I really am not the biggest fan of Jace. Granted the plot was actually pretty solid, but tmi just annoys me.

20: Character you relate to the most: Honestly a year ago I would have said Ty without a doubt. But now idk. I definitely still relate to him, but I also find myself really relating to Matthew, even though I dislike a lot of the way CC chose to write his character. As an alcoholic and as someone who struggles so deeply with emotional and personal relationships, I see a lot of myself in him. I also know a lot of ppl who have bpd in the fandom have brought up him potentially having it, and to me that makes sense. I'm also someone who has a lot of those traits even though I've never been formally diagnosed.

I also heavily relate to Kieran, my fellow enneagram four.

22. Popular character you dislike: *gets up on my dyke soapbox* I don't like Jace Herondale. Yes I am aware he is traumatizedTM and probably has cptsd. As someone who is also vv traumatized and has terrible coping mechanisms, I get it. I can sympathize. But I still don't like him. I really don't love the way so many people obsess over a character who, if he was a woman, would be getting so much hate and vitriol. And this shit is gendered, I'm sorry. The way society responds to disability and mental illness is very gendered and you can't ignore that.

Anyways, I have compassion and sympathy for men like Jace. But my compassion can only go so far when I need to be worrying about myself and other people of marginalized genders first. Not to mention how men like Jace (white, straight, cis) rarely seem have compassion and sympathy for me.

Also not to mention a lot of my problems with Jace aren't even disability related. Sometimes he's just a dick. And yeah I get it, growth and evolution, character development blah blah blah. I don't care, I still find him annoying. Not to mention how I have IssuesTM with the way that's handled as well as the trauma of other characters but thats a whole other thing.

[im-out-of-it]

I will die on this hill: THE MOVIE IS ATROCIOUS AND THR CASTING FOR ALEC IZZY AND MAGNUS IS TOP TIER IN THE SHOW. you cannot convince me that the show casting was even as remotely bad as the movie. I did waste two hours of my life once watching this shit show of a movie and it was terrible.

people want to shit on the show but I’m glad they changed almost everything. THATS WHY ITS A SUCCESS. because all the movie wanted to do was what the books did. feature CLACE and leave everyone else behind. because nobody else matters but clary’s journey and jace being a dick, right?

I can’t imagine anyone else playing Alec or Magnus. I can’t imagine anyone else changing the story and actually making it watchable and probably collecting millions (I don’t know) of watchers who only tuned in to the show for Malec. y’all can say what you want about the show but the casting for Magnus, Alec, and Izzy was perfect. it’s hard to speak of the casting for the movie because Alec Izzy Magnus are only there for barely five minutes. because in CC world, they don’t matter.

Okay I’m going to say my upmost unpopular opinion that I will get jumped for is that I genuinely don’t think the TMI movie casting for Isabelle and Alec was that bad.

Like idk, I think they both resemble their book counterparts. I feel like so much of the hate they get is that there characters are a bit awkwardly placed in the film- which fair. But idk, I don’t there that bad!!

And I see Alec always getting the most hate in the cast, and I honestly think his only problem was that he definitely looked alot older than the rest of the chase. But other that I genuinely don’t think he was that bad 😭😭 I’m always surprised by the amount of hate I see these two get in particular!!

And I’ll say my other unpopular opinion is that I don’t think the show cast was any better but that’s another opinion to grace the surface for another day

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honestly the only thing appealing about shadowhunters show is

1. our fav sassy gay, leader, husband, father, friend, brother, activist (I mean??????) icon

2. MAGNUS MOTHERFUCKING LIGHTWOOD BANE OUR FAV BI LEADER COMICAL FASHIONABLE KIND HONEST WONDERFUL KING (I ran out of adjectives)

3. IZZY RAPHAEL SIMON MAIA (I’m sorry I got tired of describing but I love them all so much, they’re dear to me, truly but IM TIRED)

(personally I’m a fan of the glasses)

(girl deserved better but I’m so glad she got made a leader)

AND MY STUPID BISEXUAL ASS LOVES IT

not the clary and jace shit BUT SO MANY GORGEOUS WOMEN AND MEN AND MOST IMPORTANTLY

come on y’all knew where this was going

I’m enduring for show malec 😭

[couragehopelovefaith]

"You have to trust me, Clary." She does, Jace, even if you don't deserve it for one bit. And that's the reason everyone around you is put in shitty situations time and time again. (Damn, the time these two were apart must have been relatively peaceful.)

[moonysmoothies]

the shadowhunters show is so wild to me for so many reasons but ones of them is that i am so baffled by how they manage to hit most of the major story beats of the books and yet mess them up SO BADLY?

here's every major fuck up i can remember in chronological order because i feel like ranting

they go to the silent city but instead of finding out about magnus's block on her memory, they find out that valentine is clary's father through a conversation that she overheard between luke and her mother

simon is kidnapped by the vampires on purpose instead of accidentally because they want the mortal cup from clary since it can control demons, which is the stupidest thing ever because raziel gave jonathan shadowhunter the cup so that he could make more shadowhunters with the objective to kill demons, not control them

oh and they're not allowed to use the cup to make more shadowhunters, so mundanes can't ascend (do none of them have the sight?) and the cup has no purpose other than to sit there and look pretty

all of them were in on rescuing simon, not just jace and clary and the wolves are not there at all, but for some reason camille is and has a weirdly sexual relationship with simon

they go see magnus to get clary's memories back and they end up having to give up their memories like they did with azazel except it's to this random demon who magnus gave clary's memories to for the plot but then clary kills the demon so she never gets her memories back

instead of getting the cup from madame dorothea, they sneak into a police station to get it while luke is being questioned for MURDER

simon is turned into a vampire except it turns into this whole uprising where everyone turns against camille and it's this whole moral dilemma for clary

they still find out clary and jace are related while at renwick's except the scene is just very different and valentine had been glamoured to look like michael wayland this whole time because there's a shapeshifting rune now!

jace goes with valentine at the end of season one

they wake up jocelyn at the end of season one and she fully believes that jace is her child and tries to kill him

also jace finds out that he "has demon blood" at the very beginning of season two while on valentine's ship from valentine himself

he is imprisoned in the silent city and the attack on the silent brothers happens while he is there, but he is also put on trial and for some reason it is more about his feelings for clary than about his actual "crimes" (which was just being basically forced onto a ship with valentine in order to save his friends from being murdered)

instead of imogen herondale distrusting jace it's a weird british dude, also maryse just straight up equates jace to a cancer that they need to kill and didn't just tell him to leave the institute in an attempt to protect him from the inquisitor like she did in the books

the weird british dude gives izzy yin fen, except its made from vampire venom and not demon poison in what is the worst storyline to ever exist and is basically just shadow world heroin (not a tmi major plot point but i literally cannot not mention how much i fucking hate this storyline)

izzy and clary visit the iron sisters to find out why valentine wanted the mortal sword where they find out that if an angelic being and a bolt of lightning touch it then it will be able to emit a heavenly light that can kill anyone with demon blood (raziel really had no faith in these guys)

they actually imprison valentine and are just using a rune to torture him (idk why they had a rune to torture people considering that all of their runes were given to them by raziel and i don't know if he wanted them torturing each other? also i looked up the rune on the shadowhunter books wiki and it was the super powerful healing rune that clary used on jace in cohf - kind of the opposite of torture)

clary and jace find out they're not related halfway through season two (not entirely objecting to this but it did mean a full climon relationship)

they still go to the seelie court, except it's just simon, jace, and clary and the seelie queen makes jace and clary kiss in order to show simon that shadowhunters always choose "their own kind" over anyone else because she's obsessed with him and his daylighterness

sebastian still attacks max because max tracked him with a single hair from the bottom of the baby jc box except max survives (not really objecting to this either because max was so sweet but like what was the reason for changing this!!)

ok, time to go into the jace + sebastian fight - instead of jace goading sebastian into a fight by making him realize that valentine will find out that sebastian just killed him in cold blood and didn't give him a fair fight and then hate him for it, not by just making him really angry - jace literally passes out several times on the way to where they fight and sebastian just keeps dragging him along. this is just a little change that irks me so much because it shows a lot about their character imo. here, they have a fight on a random bridge where we get the line "care to find out who's the best jc once and for all" which should be considered a crime against humanity. izzy does intervene but she does not get to cut off sebastian's hand and then jace stabs sebastian in the special spot on the back and kicks him into the river, sebastian somehow survives long enough to float all the way to a beach and summon lilith

jace does get possessed by lilith except he's turning into a weird looking demon who possesses mundanes to kill their loved ones and serve lilith and not whatever the fuck was going on with him in cofa that was definitely not turning into a demon and possessing other people

jem is american

instead of maureen being maureen she's another person their age named heidi who forces simon to drink his sister's blood which leads to his mom throwing him out like she does in the books, and then heidi proceeds to try to take over the entire downworld until maia kills her in the same way she kills maureen in the books

clary gets the twinning rune instead of jace and instead of it being an instant thing clary is just slowly becoming more like sebastian except she's not and she still has free will which jace didn't really have in cols - they're more like equals instead of one having power over the other like in the books

instead of raziel giving them glorious because simon was like "if you don't i'll just use my mark of cain to annoy you for all of eternity" izzy has a woman in stem moment and remakes the sword herself with particles of glorious that she extracted from a serum that the weird british dude was using to turn downworlder prisoners into mundanes again in an illegal project

instead of having the two family swords made by wayland the smith, they have one sword that has the ability to open rifts into hell and release demons and getting that sword is sebastians goal for the season instead of making the endarkened

sebastian does have a relationship with the seelie queen but then he kills her

izzy gets the heavenly fire instead of jace even though clary was the one who was stabbed with glorious because izzy gets hit by shrapnel from the sword exploding

they still go to edom but it's to save magnus from lilith because she wants to start a war with him so she can go to earth and he's there because he's holding closed the rift the sebastian opened with the family sword

clary loses her memories instead of simon because making her own runes went against the will of the angels - especially the one that tied shadowhunters to downworlders even though that was literally what won the mortal war in the books

magnus and alec still temporarily break up except it's not because alec was trying to remove magnus's immortality (although they did have issues with that earlier in the season) it's so asmodeus will give magnus his magic back after taking it in exchange for giving magnus the power to free jace from lilith's possession

anyways that's everything i can remember - there's probably more

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LITERALLY GABRIEL WAS WRITTEN AS THIS “VILLAIN” WHEN WILL WAS GOING AROUND BEING A DICK OVER A FAKE CURSE AND I WILL ALWAYS BE SO MAD ABOUT THIS.

she writes the lightwoods as being terrible and evil but the herondales are equally as bad, maybe more so. they walk around, talking down to people, acting as if they’re the angels gifts or whatever. CC is so obsessed with jace and all the other herondales. Will treats Gabriel’s sister like shit and then turns around and breaks his arm but yeah, Gabriel is the bad guy here apparently lmao

and it’s so funny how Gideon was originally wrote as “he’s worse than Gabriel” and he turns out to be sweetest and softest man ever!!!!!!! girl your hate is so strong and obvious on the pages

I’m sorry but the only Lightwood that really sucked was Benedict and a little of Robert but most are national treasures who helped save the day but don’t ever get credit. CC chose to write them as being beneath her precious golden eyed “angels” lol

Alec gets treated badly by jace but if he calls jace out, it’s “he’s been through sooooooo much” and #7288282 reason why I hate book Alec is because his every thought is consumed by jace just like all the other characters around. like everytime a herondale is around, everyone’s inner thoughts are focused all on them. CC creates good characters but she’s fucking terrible at follow through. most of the characters don’t have free will and honestly her writing hasn’t changed 20 some years later which is very sad lmao

Lmao Cassie’s favorite baby boy treated a teenage girl like crap so she made her a villain, how revolutionary! I wonder, who’s next, Evangeline?

Pleaseee lol

Was Will ever helf accountable for that by anyone but Gabriel? Because I'm pretty sure Gabriel was written as an asshole who hated Will for no reason and deserved to get his arm broken, so huh.

[silmarillaure]

Normalize hating the parents of your favorite characters even if they weren’t bad parents.

FUCK Finwe! FUCK Indis! FUCK Dior Eluchil! FUCK Katsuya Honda! FUCK Celine Montclaire! FUCK Daemon Targaryen! FUCK Harwin Strong! FUCK Catelyn Tully!

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part 9, season 2, episode 12 IM JUST SAD FOR MALEC “you are not your own” continued

123. Sebastian put it together in 3 seconds and clary spent hours and days not knowing why she couldn’t use runes lmao

124. enjoy these moments before Raphael is filled with rage. and I do think if Simon wasn’t a daylighter, raphael could do some damage to Simon

Alec has every reason to be paranoid. I think he was born paranoid. every outsider that comes in is usually dangerous. look at all the shit clary did and Alec had every reason not to trust her

125. ah truth bomb

126. yes it does Simon and clary didn’t tell ya

127. that means bye bye bye Simon

128. shit Raphael is here

129. what did Izzy expect to happen? for Raphael to leave Simon alone regardless? she played with fire when she went after Raphael’s sister and took that photo. but in a way, it was similar to what Raphael did with simons mom when he needed Camille reported. but Izzy did it to intentionally harm Raphael and that’s the difference

130. well that wasn’t as heated as it made it out to be

131. Simon, all you’re going to do is get more enemies

132. of course they denied the request but you’ll still do what you want. she is jaces grandmother

133. Alec: FUCK FUCK FUCK I can’t let my boyfriend if that is my boyfriend be murdered in my watch

the clave denied the request but she is filled with revenge and is going to have “Valentine” executed anyway

134. even the way “Magnus” speaks is different by the way Magnus usually speaks. but it’s not until jace is handcuffed that he thinks oh Alec was right. MAYBE YOU SHOULDNT ASSUME SHIT

YOU KNOW THAT MAGNUS LOVES TO DRINK HE WOULD BE SMILING AND MENTIONING ALCOHOL FIRST

stopping at 135 and I’ll do another part later today ✨

[rhiannons-bird]

The men’s haircuts in the tmi adaptations actually fill me with rage btw. Like it’s unnatural how angry they make me.

[muiltifandomnerd]

At this point she got inspired by George Martin with all the incest shit.

Incest in the Shadowhunter books

1. Jace and clary

-Jace gets angry when clary says she does not want to continue a secret relationship with him -whenever Jace is angry with her clary thinks that it is her fault -not healthy

2. Sebastian and clary

-yet another incestual plot line, by now it’s obvious the author has an obsession with incest -Sebastian is depicted in a romantic way, even described as good looking -also not healthy

3. Simon and clary

-not related, but they grew up together and have a very sibling like relationship -slept in beds together (platonically) -LIKE BROTHER AND SISTER

4. Jace and Alec

-adopted brothers -maryse thinks of Jace as her son and Isabelle thinks of Jace as her brother

5. Cristina and Diego

-I don’t care if they are or used to be in love they’re still cousins -the author had the choice of making them related or not but she chose the former

6. Emma and Julian.

-raised together from birth, very sibling like relationship -she becomes adopted into his family after the death of her parents -thinks of his siblings as her siblings, they think of her as a sister -she’s basically like a sister to him

[helenofblackthorns]

hmm since Clary also has the scar from having contact with an angel, do you think all of Clace's kids will inherit it? like will it stop being the "one of our ancestors fucked in a cave" scar & start being the "our ancestors were child experiments" scar?