#anti Daroline

[piperslovebot]

2x02 AU - Caroline confronts Damon after what he put her through

Redo of this edit

[hyperactivewhore]

Maybe this sounds crazy but I see no difference between people who ship klaroline and people who ship daroline.

[fearlessfairy]

"Damon! Towel!Knock!"

"Caroline, no one cares."

Haha, nice joke that Damon is not interested in Caroline, he probably saw everything....

but writers kind of forgot Caroline was abused by Damon, even sexually assaulted by him. She is not comfortable with him around her in general, especially in private things like this. Luckily Caroline did not have PTSD from previous experience, otherwise it could have been a very dark moment. But let's show once again how funny Damon is.

[andreal831]

Do you think what Damon did to Caroline is the same as what Katherine did to Stefan? Cause I think it is and it pisses me off when I see people think daroline is the worst ship to ever exist but then proceed to ship steferine.

I love Damon and like Katherine way more than Stefan and Caroline, I prefer villains and anti-heroes way more than heroes, but I don’t understand how anyone can like either of these two ships.

Trigger Warning: Discussion of r*pe/SA

I agree, there is no difference in what Katherine did to Stefan and what Damon did to Caroline and Andie.

I'm going to start by saying I do not like either Katherine or Damon. Yes, I know it is a show about supernatural creatures and we have to suspend reality, but no matter what world/fandom we're in, there is still a moral code. If there wasn't, we wouldn't have "good" guys and "bad" guys.

I can overlook and move on from a lot of bad things because with most "bad" acts there are mitigating circumstances. I truly believe anyone can be pushed to commit a lot of the terrible acts on the show, like murder, given the right circumstances. Usually it'll take a lot more than what's on the show, but that's where we suspend reality a bit. However, rape and sexual assault, no. There is never mitigating circumstances. No tragic backstory is going to make me overlook this.

I do believe in rehabilitation, but because the writers refused to admit what they did, we never get that with either character. No matter how you see it, both Damon and Katherine compelled people's choose away and proceed to have sex with them. That is the definition of rape. I will not argue with anyone on this point. It doesn't matter what the person intended the second before. The moment Damon/Katherine took their ability to consent away, it was rape.

Personally, Damon is my least favorite character and Katherine is close by it. Yes, I enjoy some of their scenes and they are "iconic" at times, but I could just never get past those scenes. I dislike Damon more because he received no consequences. He got a happy ending while Katherine didn't, so I'm more at peace with that story arc for Katherine.

I want to put a caveat so everyone is clear: I am never going to tell people who they can like or not like or who they should ship. Everyone comes to the fandom with different life experiences and like different ships for different reasons. Fiction allows us to like our toxic ships or like our healthy ships, whatever helps us cope with reality. But I do think it is important to acknowledge the potential harm so that we can recognize it in real life. This blog is just my personal takes on the situations/characters.

If you want to like daroline or steferine, go for it. But, again, it's important to acknowledge the toxicity in both. We all love a good anti-hero and some people enjoy enemies to lovers (not my cup of tea), but be prepared for others to not like it. We could all use a deep breath and take a step back in this fandom when it comes to ships. A lot of them are really toxic and some are less so, but still probably toxic. But at the end of the day, being toxic online to real-life people will always be worse than liking a toxic fictional character. (this is not directed to anon, just a general note for the fandom because I've seen so many people get into such nasty fights over fictional ships)

Thanks for the ask! Sorry I went off on a side tangent there <33

[blackpilledkremlintsarina5294]

[doyelikehaggis]

This sounds like a weird question, but do you believe that Damon raped Caroline? I personally think that he did since it seemed consensual until she found out about him being a vampire. After that, she wanted nothing to with him. He bit her, put on lingerie without her consent, repeatedly compelled her, etc. I just wanted to hear your thoughts on this since I didn’t see much about it on your blog.

To be honest, this kind of subject isn't really one I'm that comfortable discussing, hence why there isn't a ton about it on my blog. Short answer: Yeah, I do believe he did. Lack of consent and implied assault is, unfortunately, a very common, very casual thing when it comes to vampires in a lot of media. That's as much as I'm really comfortable saying.

[infinitesubconscious]

I thought I was over this but clearly not.....

So I know Caroline is one of the most popular characters on tvd (even I like her a lot except for the later seasons where I was just like....ok?). And there are an equal number of people who hate her (again not a problem she does become slightly annoying after a while) which is all cool.

But the fact that people still believe that it was Caroline's fault that Damon abused her just because she slept with him right after she met him is really disgusting!

Nobody forced Damon to abuse her, nobody asked him to be the bad guy and him being a vampire is definitely no excuse because vampires drink blood. They don't abuse humans like other humans do.

This is why Stefan worked better as a vampire. He has problems not with his personality, but his vampirism. Now he's still problematic (considering his ripper status) but it makes sense. He feeds on human blood which is what vamps do. Damon had nothing to do with that.

The point here is that

Don't blame Caroline for Damon abusing her. It was completely his fault.

[piperslovebot]

Unpopular TVD opinions?

-Caroline is no better than Elena

-Tyler is overhated

-Forwood>>>SC + KC

-The good brother/bad brother thing is bull

-Elena deserved better than the Salvatores

-I don’t ship either but I’d take DE over KC any day of the damn week

-Klaus is not morally superior to Damon like a lot of stans say

-Rebekah is the best Mikaelson

-Katherine is the best villain on TVD

-Steferine=Daroline

-Klaus is a horrible villain

[philtatosbuck]

I’m just gonna say it.

Hating Damon Salvatore for what he did to Caroline Forbes -- Valid. Go wild. But then turning around and stanning Katherine or Steferine when she did the same thing ain’t fucking it.

Damon did what? He seduced Caroline first, then compelled her after revealing his vampirism to her because she was scared and wanted to stop. It wasn’t on screen but we’re lead to believe he then fed on her and had sex with her. While he never compelled her to be attracted to him, he compelled her to keep his secret and not be afraid of him.

Katherine did WHAT? She seduced Stefan first, then compelled him after revealing her vampirism to him because he was scared and wanted to STOP, then fed on him and had sex with him (which we saw). While she never compelled him to be attracted to her, she compelled him to keep her secret and not be afraid of her.

Damon willingly embraced Katherine’s vampirism, Stefan DIDN’T. She compelled him. Katherine did the same thing to Stefan, as Damon did to Caroline. Katherine being a woman doesn’t change that what they did was the same thing.

“Soon afterwards, while Stefan and Katherine were having sex, she reveals to him that she is a vampire. He is not accepting of this and appears to be very frightened of her. Katherine, not wanting to lose his love, takes his fear away through compulsion. She also compels him not to tell anyone.“

What her reasoning was doesn’t fucking matter. They did the same damn thing. Stefan was even the same age as Caroline was at the time. It’s a direct parallel. Taking away their fear took away their choice. Period.

There are aspects of Katherine I LOVE and I’m not gonna deny Nina and Paul have chemistry - but I will NEVER fully stan Katherine OR ship her with someone who, essentially, she assaulted.

[qvnthesia]

THANK YOU

THANK YOU SO SO MUCH 👏👏

Stefan “They are people, Damon. She’s not a puppet. She doesn’t exist for your amusement for you to feed on whenever you want”

Damon “Sure she does. They all do. They’re whatever i want them to be. They’re mine for the taking. I’ll do with your little cheerleader whatever i want to do”

I don’t know why people fangirl over Damon since “hello brother”

[damonisbae]

Damon calling Caroline "Vampire Barbie " is just the best thing I've heard all day.

[lilbreck]

What do you thinnk of Daroline? And the fans who ship them?

The ship makes me fucking sick to my stomach. He was her abuser and rapist. While I try not to judge, I have to side-eye anyone who ships them.

[forbaes-a]

how ...  can  anyone  ship  d*roline ?  

[thetourguidebarbie]

What is your opinion some people say Damon never raped Caroline. I hear people say there is no proof.

x

[maevelin]

OK. Fine. Damon raped caroline. But why don't you ever address the fact that klaus during the premier of season 4 used Tyler's body to make out with his unsuspecting girlfriend. And dont give me the excuse that caroline came onto him. She didn't know it wasn't Tyler but klaus. And klaus could've easily pushed her away and explained things, but i suppose his hands were too busy feeling her up. And playing tonsil hockey.

You meanthe “wrong time, wrong place, wrong equipment” scene where he was pushing heraway and gave her all the clues to see she was him and they stopped before itwent any further? In the show where Klaus was always treated for the piece ofshit he was and never formed a relationship with Caroline?

If you hadbeen following me down the years you would know that I am the first one toadmit that Klaroline is a toxic ship with abusive scenes that I alwaysacknowledged for what they are.

But “couldhave, would have” is not the same as actually raping with the intent to rape.

Klaus ismany things. A killer, an abuser, a misogynist, a manipulator, a “add more the list goes on” …but hewasn’t a rapist. He could have forced and compelled Caroline to have sex withhim at any time and be his ‘girlfriend’ but never did. It was not one of hisabhorrent character traits. He had many others but not that one.

DamonSalvatore was a rapist and a sexual predator. End of story. There is not “fineokay” line for me here. He abused and raped Caroline for weeks repeatedly. Hedid the same with Andie. And since you like the ‘could have would have logic’he tried to pull the same shit with Elena “You wanna kiss me” (1x03) but Stefan hadgiven Elena the vervain necklace so instead Elena slapped him and there was noopening for Damon to repeat his usual patterns with her because Stefan was inthe picture and protected her where he let Caroline be his chew toy and sexslave at first because it was convenient and would keep the town and more soElena safe.

We can goback and forth with this but in the end people get triggered by differentthings and are allowed to form an opinion on characters. Just because I happento like one villain doesn’t mean I have to like every other villain or excuseand justify vile actions and not criticize them. One does not negate the other.More so since I prefer to acknowledge every fucked up thing even in thecharacters I do like. But then again TVD (never watched The Originals) alwaystreated Klaus as the villain and never excused his shit in comparison withDamon where they took a rapist, glorified him into ‘heroism’ and never calledrape for what it was because it would somehow taint the image of the rapist thatin the end was integrated into the life of his victim in many ways in a showthat victim-blamed the girl he raped and never gave her any kind of validationor retribution for what has happened to her.

So yeah Iguess fine okay Damon raped Caroline indeed. Which I originally simply answeredto your question as to why I don’t like Daroline but somehow that wasn’t enoughfor you because if I like a ship it means that somehow it is mandatory to likea rapist or turn a blind eye to rape?

I am prettysure there are other people that don’t share the same beliefs with me and likeDamon. I also pretty sure you can have more fruitful discussions with thembecause we obviously have no common ground here.

[malia-salvatate-blog]

Word of advice for future writers

If you plan to have a redemption arch for your villain

DO

NOT

MAKE

HIM

A

RAPIST