#anti Daroline

[nikkiruncks]

Unpopular TVD opinions?

-Caroline is no better than Elena

-Tyler is overhated

-Forwood>>>SC + KC

-The good brother/bad brother thing is bull

-Elena deserved better than the Salvatores

-I don’t ship either but I’d take DE over KC any day of the damn week

-Klaus is not morally superior to Damon like a lot of stans say

-Rebekah is the best Mikaelson

-Katherine is the best villain on TVD

-Steferine=Daroline

-Klaus is a horrible villain

[hyperactivewhore]

Maybe this sounds crazy but I see no difference between people who ship klaroline and people who ship daroline.

[fearlessfairy]

"Damon! Towel!Knock!"

"Caroline, no one cares."

Haha, nice joke that Damon is not interested in Caroline, he probably saw everything....

but writers kind of forgot Caroline was abused by Damon, even sexually assaulted by him. She is not comfortable with him around her in general, especially in private things like this. Luckily Caroline did not have PTSD from previous experience, otherwise it could have been a very dark moment. But let's show once again how funny Damon is.

[doyelikehaggis]

This sounds like a weird question, but do you believe that Damon raped Caroline? I personally think that he did since it seemed consensual until she found out about him being a vampire. After that, she wanted nothing to with him. He bit her, put on lingerie without her consent, repeatedly compelled her, etc. I just wanted to hear your thoughts on this since I didn’t see much about it on your blog.

To be honest, this kind of subject isn't really one I'm that comfortable discussing, hence why there isn't a ton about it on my blog. Short answer: Yeah, I do believe he did. Lack of consent and implied assault is, unfortunately, a very common, very casual thing when it comes to vampires in a lot of media. That's as much as I'm really comfortable saying.

[andreal831]

Do you think what Damon did to Caroline is the same as what Katherine did to Stefan? Cause I think it is and it pisses me off when I see people think daroline is the worst ship to ever exist but then proceed to ship steferine.

I love Damon and like Katherine way more than Stefan and Caroline, I prefer villains and anti-heroes way more than heroes, but I don’t understand how anyone can like either of these two ships.

Trigger Warning: Discussion of r*pe/SA

I agree, there is no difference in what Katherine did to Stefan and what Damon did to Caroline and Andie.

I'm going to start by saying I do not like either Katherine or Damon. Yes, I know it is a show about supernatural creatures and we have to suspend reality, but no matter what world/fandom we're in, there is still a moral code. If there wasn't, we wouldn't have "good" guys and "bad" guys.

I can overlook and move on from a lot of bad things because with most "bad" acts there are mitigating circumstances. I truly believe anyone can be pushed to commit a lot of the terrible acts on the show, like murder, given the right circumstances. Usually it'll take a lot more than what's on the show, but that's where we suspend reality a bit. However, rape and sexual assault, no. There is never mitigating circumstances. No tragic backstory is going to make me overlook this.

I do believe in rehabilitation, but because the writers refused to admit what they did, we never get that with either character. No matter how you see it, both Damon and Katherine compelled people's choose away and proceed to have sex with them. That is the definition of rape. I will not argue with anyone on this point. It doesn't matter what the person intended the second before. The moment Damon/Katherine took their ability to consent away, it was rape.

Personally, Damon is my least favorite character and Katherine is close by it. Yes, I enjoy some of their scenes and they are "iconic" at times, but I could just never get past those scenes. I dislike Damon more because he received no consequences. He got a happy ending while Katherine didn't, so I'm more at peace with that story arc for Katherine.

I want to put a caveat so everyone is clear: I am never going to tell people who they can like or not like or who they should ship. Everyone comes to the fandom with different life experiences and like different ships for different reasons. Fiction allows us to like our toxic ships or like our healthy ships, whatever helps us cope with reality. But I do think it is important to acknowledge the potential harm so that we can recognize it in real life. This blog is just my personal takes on the situations/characters.

If you want to like daroline or steferine, go for it. But, again, it's important to acknowledge the toxicity in both. We all love a good anti-hero and some people enjoy enemies to lovers (not my cup of tea), but be prepared for others to not like it. We could all use a deep breath and take a step back in this fandom when it comes to ships. A lot of them are really toxic and some are less so, but still probably toxic. But at the end of the day, being toxic online to real-life people will always be worse than liking a toxic fictional character. (this is not directed to anon, just a general note for the fandom because I've seen so many people get into such nasty fights over fictional ships)

Thanks for the ask! Sorry I went off on a side tangent there <33

[enobariasdistrict2]

Just curious but do u have a least fave care ship? (Aside from d*roline because that’s the obvious choice)

yeah lol when i saw this in my inbox i was JUST about to start screaming daroline XD but there are some other contenders like

after watching TO and klaus's superior anti hero/villain protagonist characterization and development I was obviously super excited for klaroline especially because of a.... overzealous fandom lol and klayley and klamille were such great successes despite their tragic ends since those dynamics worked SO well, where klaus was actually being held accountable and learning and growing and changing. even those had their problematic elements but klaus ships were the only enemies to lovers villain x protagonist pairing i'd ever actually liked (and the reason i began to like darklina) since IMO klaus was never mis characterized as a tragic good person without genuine change like the salvabros were, but then tvd kinda dropped the ball on what made TO klaus s1 such a great antagonist character that made it so easy to like him and the general woobie narrative abuse got old pretty quick after s4. s3 was in imo just the right amount of fucked up for klaus to be and then s4 went like wayyyy too far. so in a way even though obviously I'm quite a fan of fanon klaroline canon kc isn't a good friend of mine especially because their development came in super random bursts especially at the expense of an already established relationship and a character that had benefitted from that relationship (forwoood + tyler). klaroline is mostly just sad lost potential to me nowadays since klaus's relationship dynamics were always so fascinating to me and he and care have always been somewhat fascinating together.

there's also maroline even though Matt had his genuinely sweet moments. what makes the toxicity of this relationship much better than that of daroline and lbr even kc is that it's just them both being immature, not bringing out a good side in each other, miscommunication, insecurities, and jealousy.... So like more regular teen relationship issues that are natural and kinda a part of growing up as we learn from the mistakes we make as children as opposed to non-con or threats or coercion like d*roline was built on. and clearly CARING about caroline wasn't the problem here since matt was basically an endearing and sweet puppy before the writers just fucked up his arc and life completely, and he genuinely wanted her happiness... but it vexed me so much how he insulted her and belittled her insecurities and even talked about his ex IN FRONT OF HER. he openly preferred elena to caroline which would hurt anyone especially since caroline is super competition driven and the societal misogyny of the 2009 environment was a major part of her thinking process (which is clear in how she was always comparing herself viciously to other female characters). and yet she wasn't entirely innocent either, because her jealousy over amy who he expressed NO romantic interest in (which is different from care being annoyed by him and his feelings toward an ex) was pretty irrational tbh and perpetuating distrust on her part. everyone probably has to has a relationship like maroline at some point as a learning experience for what kind of partner is imperfect and inaccessible to them imo, so it makes sense from the perspective of her general arc, but it got to the point where I was not a fan lol.

anyways forgive me for that long ramble I'm on mobile and can't use a read more oops.

[misskremlintsarina5294]

[nikkiruncks]

I want to say that if D*roline has St*ferine's sl that nobody would be going on about how 'Damon loves Caroline oh so much' or say 'D*roline was so hot' or whatever, but at the same time…

[bakerolivias-archived]

damon: the only stupid shallow thing here is you

matt: "deep isn't really your thing, care"

tyler: you're a genius!!!!!! / you have a big heart /you see the good in people

klaus: i fancy you, is that so hard to believe? you're strong, beautiful, full of light

stefan: because that’s what makes you you

started from the bottom (aka dumb men who don’t deserve caroline), now we’re here

[infinitesubconscious]

I thought I was over this but clearly not.....

So I know Caroline is one of the most popular characters on tvd (even I like her a lot except for the later seasons where I was just like....ok?). And there are an equal number of people who hate her (again not a problem she does become slightly annoying after a while) which is all cool.

But the fact that people still believe that it was Caroline's fault that Damon abused her just because she slept with him right after she met him is really disgusting!

Nobody forced Damon to abuse her, nobody asked him to be the bad guy and him being a vampire is definitely no excuse because vampires drink blood. They don't abuse humans like other humans do.

This is why Stefan worked better as a vampire. He has problems not with his personality, but his vampirism. Now he's still problematic (considering his ripper status) but it makes sense. He feeds on human blood which is what vamps do. Damon had nothing to do with that.

The point here is that

Don't blame Caroline for Damon abusing her. It was completely his fault.

[qvnthesia]

THANK YOU

THANK YOU SO SO MUCH 👏👏

Stefan “They are people, Damon. She’s not a puppet. She doesn’t exist for your amusement for you to feed on whenever you want”

Damon “Sure she does. They all do. They’re whatever i want them to be. They’re mine for the taking. I’ll do with your little cheerleader whatever i want to do”

I don’t know why people fangirl over Damon since “hello brother”

[lovelyandproblematic]

Incorrect Quotes from the TVDU

but is it rly incorrect tho?

[philtatosbuck]

I’m just gonna say it.

Hating Damon Salvatore for what he did to Caroline Forbes -- Valid. Go wild. But then turning around and stanning Katherine or Steferine when she did the same thing ain’t fucking it.

Damon did what? He seduced Caroline first, then compelled her after revealing his vampirism to her because she was scared and wanted to stop. It wasn’t on screen but we’re lead to believe he then fed on her and had sex with her. While he never compelled her to be attracted to him, he compelled her to keep his secret and not be afraid of him.

Katherine did WHAT? She seduced Stefan first, then compelled him after revealing her vampirism to him because he was scared and wanted to STOP, then fed on him and had sex with him (which we saw). While she never compelled him to be attracted to her, she compelled him to keep her secret and not be afraid of her.

Damon willingly embraced Katherine’s vampirism, Stefan DIDN’T. She compelled him. Katherine did the same thing to Stefan, as Damon did to Caroline. Katherine being a woman doesn’t change that what they did was the same thing.

“Soon afterwards, while Stefan and Katherine were having sex, she reveals to him that she is a vampire. He is not accepting of this and appears to be very frightened of her. Katherine, not wanting to lose his love, takes his fear away through compulsion. She also compels him not to tell anyone.“

What her reasoning was doesn’t fucking matter. They did the same damn thing. Stefan was even the same age as Caroline was at the time. It’s a direct parallel. Taking away their fear took away their choice. Period.

There are aspects of Katherine I LOVE and I’m not gonna deny Nina and Paul have chemistry - but I will NEVER fully stan Katherine OR ship her with someone who, essentially, she assaulted.

[damonisbae]

Damon calling Caroline "Vampire Barbie " is just the best thing I've heard all day.

[lilbreck]

What do you thinnk of Daroline? And the fans who ship them?

The ship makes me fucking sick to my stomach. He was her abuser and rapist. While I try not to judge, I have to side-eye anyone who ships them.

[forbaes-a]

how ...  can  anyone  ship  d*roline ?