#anglicanism

[apenitentialprayer]

My mom is getting hip replacement surgery in less than seven hours. Prayers would be appreciated.

[lambswool-cardigan]

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Please like/reblog if you are a Christian blog. I have no Christian friends irl and would like some mutuals ♡ God bless

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[yak-leather-whips]

My sincerest apologies to the single person who had been using the quanglicanism tag to refer to the intersectional faith of quaker anglicans for flooding your tag with conspiracy theories about a time quangle from a DND show about fantasy high schoolers

[useless-englandfacts]

was just reading (celebrating) the news about archbishop welby resigning and look at this wikipedia entry:

the 'known for' section...

[openaltar]

See the issue is that I agree with most things the Orthodox believe theologically, but I love a good Catholic saint and Advent celebration. I guess that makes me a modern Anglican.

[byzantine-nectarine]

From an ancient homily for Holy Saturday:

The Lord's Descent Into The Underworld (attributed to Saint Epiphanius of Salamis) Something strange is happening - there is a great silence on earth today, a great silence and stillness. The whole earth keeps silence because the King is asleep. The earth trembled and is still because God has fallen asleep in the flesh and He has raised up all who have slept ever since the world began. God has died in the flesh and Hell trembles with fear. He has gone to search for our first parent, as for a lost sheep. Greatly desiring to visit those who live in darkness and in the shadow of death, He has gone to free from sorrow the captives Adam and Eve, He who is both God and the Son of Eve. The Lord approached them bearing the Cross, the weapon that had won Him the victory. At the sight of Him Adam, the first man He had created, struck his breast in terror and cried out to everyone, “My Lord be with you all.” Christ answered him, “And with your spirit.” He took him by the hand and raised him up, saying, “Awake, O sleeper, and rise from the dead, and Christ will give you light. “I am your God, who for your sake have become your son. Out of love for you and for your descendants I now by My own authority command all who are held in bondage to come forth, all who are in darkness to be enlightened, all who are sleeping to arise. I order you, O sleeper, to awake. I did not create you to be held a prisoner in Hell. Rise from the dead, for I am the Life of the dead. Rise up, work of My hands, you who were created in My image. Rise, let us leave this place, for you are in Me and I am in you; together we form only one person and we cannot be separated. “For your sake I, your God, became your son; I, the Lord, took the form of a slave; I, whose home is above the heavens, descended to the earth and beneath the earth. For your sake, for the sake of man, I became like a man without help, free among the dead. For the sake of you, who left a garden, I was betrayed to the Jews in a garden, and I was crucified in a garden. “See on my face the spittle I received in order to restore to you the life I once breathed into you. See there the marks of the blows I received in order to refashion your warped nature in My image. On My back see the marks of the scourging I endured to remove the burden of sin that weighs upon your back. See My hands, nailed firmly to a tree, for you who once wickedly stretched out your hand to a tree. “I slept on the Cross and a sword pierced My side for you who slept in Paradise and brought forth Eve from your side. My side has healed the pain in yours. My sleep will rouse you from your sleep in Hell. The sword that pierced Me has sheathed the sword that was turned against you. “Rise, let us leave this place. The enemy led you out of the earthly Paradise. I will not restore you to that Paradise, but I will enthrone you in Heaven. I forbade you the tree that was only a symbol of life, but see, I who am Life itself am now one with you. I appointed cherubim to guard you as slaves are guarded, but now I make them worship you as God. The throne formed by cherubim awaits you, its bearers swift and eager. The Bridal Chamber is adorned, the banquet is ready, the eternal dwelling places are prepared, the treasure houses of all good things lie open. The Kingdom of Heaven has been prepared for you from all eternity."

[orthodoxadventure]

Our reasoning brain is weak, and our tongue is weaker still. It is easier to measure the entire sea with a tiny cup than to grasp God's ineffable greatness with the human mind.

-- Saint Basil the Great

[mermaidcommunion]

hello! does anyone have any advice/resources for a catholic person looking into anglicanism/episcopalianism? feeling really out of touch/out of place as a queer catholic, and wanting to change...

[thatscarletflycatcher]

"What Pusey's case suggests is that the re-establishment of confession provoked as much gender trouble as it did anti-Catholic anxiety, an idea voiced by Charles James Blomfield, Bishop of London, in his declaration that confession was 'the source of unspeakable abominations'. These 'abominations' were thought to have the potential to damage two dominant nineteenth-century institutions: first, the Church of England, threatened by the spread of Catholic ideology; and secondly, the Victorian family unit, inexcusably invaded by the questioning priest. Confessing one's sins to God through the medium of a human agent in the space of a confessional box threatened Victorian sensibility because it forced one to broadcast sin outside of the family space to a priest portrayed as perversely eager to listen. The seeping of Rome into Britain's domestic corners was considered more threatening still to women, the narrator of Charles Maurice Davies's Tractarian love story, Philip Paternoster (1858), claiming: 'It would be a fatal day for England if ever England's wives and daughters were led to deem the confessional a more sacred place than the home.' The notion of male confessors cajoling female penitents to betray their sins and sexual secrets induced far-fetched anti-Catholic propaganda, verifying the fear that priests might usurp the control husbands and fathers held over the female members of their household. This paranoia was further excited by anecdotes such as that narrated by Sir William Harcourt in a letter to The Times, in which he quoted the Catholic confessor of the King of Spain bragging to his penitent: 'I hold your God in my hand, and I have your wife at my feet.' As Miss Cusack attests in recounting her liaisons with Pusey, 'few men went to Confession' with the 'Doctor', and Walsh's chapter, 'Ritualistic Sisterhoods', implicates Pusey as an insidious meddler intent on diffusing Catholicism through Britain by way of kidnapping women for his conventual establishments."

-- Mark Knight and Emma Mason, Nineteenth-Century Religion and Literature: An Introduction, Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2006.

[beloved-of-john]

This book arrived today!

And thus begins my journey to learn more about the saints! Thank you to @kingreyroi for recommending it to me :)

[apenitentialprayer]

why do anglicans still exist like their entire church is built on the fact that some guy wanted a male heir. or do anglicans believe that this isn't rly why their church came about

Okay, I do love clowning on my Anglican friends, but there are a few angles (da dum tss) that we can look at in terms of why the Anglican Church is a distinctive tradition.

Theologically, the Anglican Church might have started off as "Catholic without the Pope," so to speak; the Anglican Church was essentially Gallican in nature, meaning that the head of the church wasn't the seniormost bishop, but the head of the state. But even if it started off simply being in schism with the Roman Church, it didn't take very long before Reformed theology started entering the Church through the efforts of Anne Bolelyn, Thomas Cromwell, and especially Edward VI. There were preceding documents, but the Thirty-Nine articles passed by Queen Elizabeth I in 1571 helped to solidify a distinctively Anglican identity.

But it's a little more than that, too, because in addition to this Protestantization of the Anglican Church, there have also been movements within to.... "Latinize" might be the wrong word, but to bring back some traditional Catholic elements. We see this, for example, in the Oxford movement of the 1830s; many of its members would end up converting to Catholicism or Eastern Orthodoxy, but those who remained behind started the Anglo-Catholic movement which still has a strong presence. (My girlfriend goes to an Anglo-Catholic parish, and our city has at least three other ones).

This kind of dual accommodation of Reformed and Catholic theological ideas has created a unique situation for the Anglican Church; Bishop J. Neil Alexander tries to articulate this by distinguishing the Anglican Church as a "pragmatic church," in contradistinction with "confessional churches" (Catholic & Lutheran, which focus on creeds and councils) and "experiential churches" (Baptist and other groups whose memberships require a born-again moment):

What, then, does it mean to be pragmatic? It means that within the generous capacity of the Episcopal [American Anglican] Church, we do not always agree on matters of biblical interpretation or theological definition. It means that we have all gotten here by way of hundreds of different and often unique experiences of God's presence in our lives. It means that those things which other churches depend to hold themselves together will never be a central feature of our common life. We find our life together driven by our willingness to stand together at the table of God's gracious hospitality. […] That, I believe, is the pragmatism at the heart of what it means to be an Episcopalian. We are a variegated tapestry of theology and experience, and we are all the richer for it. But no level of theological agreement or experiential commonality will ever be the basis on which Episcopalians will live together well. What is possible is that we will be pragmatic —we will keep our differences in perspective— and we will recognize that ultimately nothing will divide those who are willing to stand together before God's altar to sing, to pray, and to receive the gift of God's eternity.

Now, this is a very fascinating situation, because it means that the Anglican Church has a lot of diversity in religious thought and doctrinal opinion. On an official level, that means you will have bishops aligning with different theological orientations working side by side — and, in theory, the office of Archbishop of Canterbury is supposed to alternate between Anglo-Catholic and Evangelical holders. On a more personal level, I have found that the Episcopal clergy who I interact with have varying spiritualities and theologies; one priest I know has Catholic sympathies that are so strong that he was referred to as "the Papist" in seminary, while another clergymember I know doesn't think Confession is necessary and is ambivalent about her parish's practice of Eucharistic Adoration. And they work at the same church.

Liturgically, they are also distinctive. The current bedrock of Anglican prayer is the 1662 Book of Common Prayer, which is clearly inspired by Benedictine spirituality, but with continuing liturgical revision and innovation that kind of fits with the 'pragmatic church' mindset explained above. Some Anglican parishes even preserve pre-Tridentine traditions (remember, they split before the Council of Trent), like the Sarum Use.

The Anglican Church has had a developing liturgical patrimony for the past five centuries; one of the reasons why the Catholic Church created the Anglican Ordinariate was because it recognized that fact, and wanted former members of the Anglican Church to be able to preserve their traditions even after re-entering communion with Rome.

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So, like, the Anglican Church may have started off as a more-or-less Catholic particular church that was in schism with Rome, a schism orchestrated by a king who wanted fuller control over the Church in his country, but the Anglican Church has had five centuries of development. And, as much as I like to clown on my Anglican friends, I can definitely see why the Anglican communion has a deep appeal.

[stormsbreadth]

booty shorts with 'the bishop of rome hath no jurisdiction in this realm' written on the arse

[eternal-echoes]

[useless-englandfacts]

a man (nigel farage) who openly supports a rapist (donald trump) is happy that the archbishop resigned for failing to address physical and sexual abuse claims in the church

the same man (nigel farage) then hopes that the new archbishop will embody ‘christian values’ — presumably things like loving your neighbour, the beatitudes, humility, compassion, etc.

[horizon-verizon]

I might be wrong, but I think that the Faith of the Seven seems to be a catholic form with protestant doctrine. Externally Catholic in terms of its rituals, clergy, and hierarchical structure. Internally Protestant in terms of its focus on personal faith, moral simplicity, and individual accountability.

Not gonna lie, I know next to nothing about "moral simplicity" when it comes to Protestantism like I have a better idea of with the rest. Still, I looked stuff up. Skip to the part abt the Faith of the Seven's way of worship if you want, but I wouldn't recommend it.

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Protestanism vs Catholicsm vs Anglicanism

Protestant doctrine (yes, most of the sects under it) consist of the beliefs that:

The Bible is the ultimate religious truth and authority. The only one you need.

All can act as "priests" for themselves, as in interpret & access the Bible to communicate directly with God.

Only or mostly by believing in Christ as the Messiah and God, can you "saved" from eternal damnation in hell. It's only through faith itself that you really need to receive that salvation, not paying people (though with some sects say that you have already been saved or damned from before you were born....Calvinism).

*[Martin Luther and other 16th century people]* Jesus' death saved all of us already (the sign of God's grace towards us), and thus you don't have to "earn" your salvation but just stay believing Jesus died for you

Catholic doctrine says [Brittanica]:

it's a combination of good works and faith in Christ's death for sins/God (living a virtuous life, seeking forgiveness for sins, indulgences)

the original sin (Adam and Eve and the snake), is a hereditary and universal moral defect of human beings that makes them incapable of achieving their destiny and "even incapable of basic decency", or forever in danger of moral failure, needing God's grace (which is in the form of Jesus' sacrifice)...thus a strict adherence to authority

And maybe you'd then be describing something closer to the English Anglican church...but without the head of such being the monarch in Westeros, since the Head of the High Septon. Anglicanism is a current "attempt" at both versions of Christianity:

[Wiki] "The Book of Common Prayer (BCP) is the name given to a number of related prayer books used in the Anglican Communion."

[Brittanica] "In form they deal briefly with the doctrines accepted by Roman Catholics and Protestants alike and more fully with points of controversy. The articles on the sacraments reflect a Calvinist tone, while other parts intimate Lutheran or Catholic positions. They are often studiously ambiguous, however, because the Elizabethan government wished to make the national church as inclusive of different viewpoints as possible."

[Brittanica, post 1888] "Anglicans attempt to balance the clerical point of view with forms of authority that include the laity. Even bishops are rarely able to function without the advice and consent of other clergy and laity"

[Brittanica, post 1888] "It [The Anglican Communion] respects the authority of the state but does not submit to it, and it equally respects the freedom of the individual. The Anglican Communion does not seek to evade the challenges of the world or to live a life separate from it. Basing its doctrines on the Bible, the Anglican Communion allows a remarkable latitude of interpretation by both clergy and laity."

[Anglican Communion, post 1888] "An important caveat is about this question is that if you ask three Anglicans about doctrine you’ll get five different answers! Anglicanism’s greatest strength - its willingness to tolerate a wide variety in Anglican faith and lifestyle - is also the thing that provokes the most debate among its practitioners."

[Anglican Communion, post 1888 ] "The Apostles’ Creed and the Nicene Creed are used very regularly in Anglican worship, the Athanasian Creed is used in worship less often, but is considered to set out the classic understanding of key Christian doctrines about the nature of God and the person of Jesus Christ."

The Catholic Church and many Protestant denominations accept both the Apostle and Nicene Creeds; the latter, just not the indulgence part. IDK abt Anglican indulgences, if that's a thing, but I'd assume not. It matter s because apparently, recitations of the Apostles' Creed requires monetary or "plenary" indulgences 7 the recitation of what the Nicene Creed/hail Mary/Sunday prayers gives requires one to attend mass in church or go to an oratory where you give to the indulgence.

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Faith of the Seven Worship

[AWoIaF.Westeros]

The Faith has a number of holy books. The most important one is The Seven-Pointed Star, which contains the Maiden’s Book. The Seven-Pointed Star tells, among others, about the history of the Faith. Septons who cannot read or write memorize prayers, rituals, and ceremonies, and are able to recite long passages from The Seven-Pointed Star.

But there's really no deep lore on their faith and what defines faith in the same way as Christianity bc there is no "Messiah", or savior figure who specifically dies for humanity's egregious sins in its mythology or cosmology.

All you seem to do is go the the Sept to pray, listen to recitations of the book, listen or join in singing hymns, and believe in the Seven. But neither does it have that "flexibility" or toleration of a variety of its own faith or respecting an individual's or a clergyman's freedom of "interpretation", which Anglicanism really strives for, not doctrinally.

If you're thinking of show!Catelyn, she's a Seven worshipper in a old-gods based lands and had to conform or adapt herself to the people's customs and ways of thinking while also holding to her own faith in some way, finding compromises...she's not really a rule we could go by for the actual doctrine of the Seven and if she's doing "personal faith", that's again bec she's more or less alone there.

Even still, sufficient worship of the Seven, as I mentioned but didn't emphasize, MUST take place in the sept like how worship MUST take place in Catholic churches. But then again, I have never heard of worshippers having to pay indulgences or something like that in order to receive blessings or be able to stand/sit and hear any sort of "creed" or prayer. And then again, there's a heavy implication of one needing faith validated by going to church and respecting authority and being tested in one's faithfulness through mortal/corporal means or denial that really edges it out towards Catholiscm...so...

[mary-maud]

Sheffield Cathedral