#angie mention

[chaosites]

Reasonings!

Jax x Kira : Tied for Most Likely To Complete LAKE'S TURKEY DINNER CHALLENGE

Neil x 🧤 : Tied for Biggest Gamer

HERO x Ky-l13 x Si : Threeway Tied for Best Appointment Attender

Neil x Mimi : Tied for Best Simplyplural Icon

Nastasia x Vixxxx : Nastasia barely lost to it for Best Kink 🔞

Colbie x Marshall : They faced off in the chaosite friendlies and colbie drew them making out. Also this

Trent x Lucifer : Trent became Lucifer's lil errand boy for fag reasons a while back , this

Chara x Marcy : Canon Marcy is their favorite ever, Marcy drew them hugging once, heavily implying it happened in the innerworld

Lazuli x Lonnie : They faced off in the chaosite friendlies and Lonnie drew them getting dykey 🔞

Ky-l13 x Toko : this

Angie x Tobi : this

[art-is-kayos]

Checking up on his commission

[mblue-art]

sans au sexyman polls doooodle

congrats to the kings<3 🫶🫶🫶

[tadc-harlequin-au]

Can we see angy kitty (Gangle) :3?

I gotchu fam (Jax was being his usual self lmfao)

Putting Gangle next to Z makes Z look like they could fit inside the manor, until you realize just how tall Gangle is compared to Pomni, Caine, Ragatha and Jax lmfao

[darlingsart]

Anyone else get really emotional about their OCs? 😭😅

Started working on the next chapter of my fic yesterday and I had to stop to draw Pat and Achilles with Max because I just love the little family I’ve made for them! 🥺

[rubberduckyrye]

I'd like to point to interpretation that Angie isn't portrayal of a native Polynesian islander because almost all the evidence around her character and what she says suggests she's not living in a village that has cult-like practices, but that she is in a straight up cult and is unaware of it. It explains a lot of stuff from the odd monotheism, why her "village" seems to only employ seemingly dark web shipping company, the police apparently bothering her "village" or her having an English name.

Referencing this Ask

I mean. That is one interpretation, sure, but to deny the fact that Angie is heavily coded to be Polynesian/Native Hawaiian is unfortunately ignoring the problem. Which is the problem I am trying to address itself.

Right in her promotional art, you can see that Angie is carving a statue--and it heavily resembles a tiki statue. Specifically this kind of Tiki Statue. Though since it is unfinished, it could be a full body version, but I digress.

She also mentions living on an island.

And the "natural disaster" that made the island smaller--that is probably heavily inspired by how Hawaii was used by US military and bombed frequently--which, naturally, made the islands smaller.

She also greets people in Salmon mode with "Alola," which is a reference to Pokemon Sun and Moon, which has it's main location heavily based off of Hawaii. Alola is a butchered way of saying "Aloha", which is a Hawaiian greeting.

Also, Angie having an English name matches with historical oppression in Hawaii. Where Hawaiians were forced to name their children with Christian White names and their Hawaiian names be their middle names. It was literally a law, at least, according to Wikipedia, for quite some time. (The fact that this is not easily verifiable is the very reason why having this discussion is so important--and why people need to stop trying to avoid the conversation.)

I understand the desire to want to dismiss the fact that she is a racist caricature because it sucks to enjoy a character who is one. I get it. However--trying to deny the fact that she is heavily coded to be Native Hawaiian/Polynesian is just sweeping the racism under the rug, and is a major problem when you have people like me who want to discuss the topic and how one should handle rectifying the canon narrative's bigotry.

The mere fact that she is so heavily coded to be Native Hawaiian/Polynesian makes the whole cult thing part of the racist caricature. Indigenous people (especially Indigenous Polynesian cultures) are subject to extreme racist stereotypes that include human sacrifices and savagery--and while Angie's culture isn't developed in canon enough to know for sure if it was truly as savage as, say, the King Kong Indigenous folk, the cult behaviors are a sort of "cousin" to that savagery. We as a society see human sacrifices as barbaric, as savage, and even when in a cult setting, we still present these topics in that fashion.

I'm sorry, anon--but I'm going to ask you only this one time to not derail the conversation I'm trying to start. I understand that there are interpretations that help explain away the bigotry--and this is one legitimate way to deal with bigotry in canon media, or so I've been told--but what I want is a full blown discussion on the subject. I don't want people trying to tell me "Oh b-b-but she can't be a racist Caricature, because (X)!" Because that is dismissing the problem to begin with.

This is a problem. This is a discussion about racism in V3's narrative. There is no getting around it--no matter how much you explain away the writing with headcanons and theories, these problems are still here.

So please stop trying to sabotage my desire for a discussion.

I'm going to note that I LOVE Angie as a character. I think that, when you remove the racism in her character stories, you have a very interesting and compelling female character of color who's intelligence rivals that of the smartest V3 characters. These aspects of her character I adore--but to ignore the racism, for me, is to just turn away from the problem and, in turn, contribute to the racist way fandom treats these kinds of characters.

So let me speak. Let me find people who will talk to me about it. Let me grow and learn. Please, for the love of god, let me learn.

[demimuu]

val's reconnected with an old business partner and has been having a lot of dinner meetings lately....the guy says he can make them soooooooooo much money though.....🤔 and money buys drugs!

[zuutiomi]

They visit old friend in his house (without his knowing) whoops

[wigglybug]

angie <3 the villain HQ receptionist, she compels whoevers close to tell the truth and jetts really bad at getting around that

[possibly-a-table-or-just-gay]

Everytime I see Hobbit fanart where Thorin has a shrink-wrapped six pack I get a little closer to drawing Thorin shirtless just to prove that NO HE WOULD HAVE FUCKING MEAT ON HIS BONES HE'S A FUCKING DWARF HE'S BUILT LIKE A FUCKING TANK. HE WOULD NOT HAVE A CONCAVE STOMACH AND INHUMAN-LY DEFINED ABS HE WAS BUILT TO SURVIVE WINTERS IN THE MISTY MOUNTAINS. HE'S FUCKING BROAD AND HAIRY AND HE HAS FAT OVER HIS MUSCLE. THERE IS MORE THAN ONE WAY FOR A MAN TO BE ATTRACTIVE GODDAMMIT. this applies to all the dwarves btw

[chaosites]

@cuntiest-chaosite / Angie

[alollinglaughingcat]

it is SO crazy to me to see people shipping Simon and Betty SO HARD and as though they're relationship is flawless and perfect and they were ~tragically~ separated by the curse of the crown

as someone who has only watch Fionna and Cake and then watched the episodes from Adventure Time relating to Simon only, it really seems like their relationship is set up to be flawed and sexist for its time

like. in FaC S1 Ep8 Jerry, there's literally a scene where Fionna is like "and then you went with her on the train???" and Simon goes "Yeah-huh, wha, no? Why would I-" before being cut off, and it is so perfectly set to mirror earlier when Fionna gushes about how romantic it was that Betty just "dropped everything" to go with Simon on his expedition. the implication that Betty would drop everything for a guy she just met but Simon wouldn't for her is so clear.

and in Adventure Time, there's an episode where Betty "changes the past" (not really though) so that she never had the opportunity to go meet Simon, where she instead prioritizes herself over him.

time and time again Betty's actions prove that she is so immediately obsessed with having Simon's approval and attention and that she would do anything for him despite them just having met. she literally sacrifices herself for him just to be un-cursed again.

and Simon barely does anything in return for her. and I'm not Simon-bashing here---Simon is my favorite fuckin' character and he's so sad and soppy and pathetic that I love him. and obviously he keeps trying to bring Betty back through dangerous rituals, but at the same time, he can't even focus properly on those to correctly bring her back, instead bringing Fionna and Cake into his world. i dont doubt that he loves her a lot and i think NOW he's grown as a person and could better reciprocate her very "give everything you have" kind of love but PAST him kind of... seems like a dick. not because he's bad/awkward at feelings, but because he never "gives up" anything for Betty like she gives up her entire life for him

it's so... very clearly sexist, where a woman must give everything to a man, but he doesn't have to give up anything for her or do anything to earn that kind of devotion. and I really really think FaC is going to bring it up too, and mention that their relationship wasn't as beautiful and perfect and equal as Simon thinks it was

and i am so fucking here for it and i feel like im going so incredibly crazy because WHY HASNT ANYONE MENTIONED HOW IMBALANCED THEIR RELATIONSHIP WAS?!

[bestmutt]

All Might kinda......

[mariistyping]

HONESTLY IM SO MAD AT HORIKOSHI

HOW IS HE GOING TO GIVE US THE PERFECT FUNNY, STONER ESQUE, GOOFBALL OF A CHARACTER HANTA SERO

AND THEN GIVE US NO CONTENT AT ALL

Yes this is targeted at the MHA phone game. WHERE TF IS TAPE FACE. WHY DO I HAVE DENKI KIRISHIMA MINA AND BAKUGO BUT NO SERO?!!!

[pineapple-frenzy]

Happy Halloween from hhu because monster is so halloween coded and such a banger!!!

Na na na na na na na na na na na na na na~

[oscargender]

Obsessed with love between diary and devil bc every character seems to think they’re living in a different genre. Xiao Lanhua is convinced she’s in a silly romcom (and she’s right about half the time). To her, Dongfang Qingcang is doing all these things for her because he’s helplessly in love, not because he needs her skill and definitely not because she has any kind of power over him. Lord Changheng is in a palace drama—he’s returned from the war and longs to settle down with the sweet girl who saved him once, but his arranged marriage takes precedence over his true desires. Dongfang Qingcang is in, like, a power fantasy xianxia webnovel, so taking time to care for Xiao Lanhua pisses him off sooooo much. He just wants to skip to the part where he beheads everyone who ever opposed him