#and they will never experience misogyny

[sowhatnotcreative]

Having intersectional feminism as a framework to talk about the experiences of indigenous women, immigrant women and women of color would be so useful.

Instead the language has been stolen by the mens rights activists in the trans rights movement and is now about men and their right to opress women.

We will never know what progress could have been made if intersectional feminism was allowed to continue and evolve.

[inkskinned]

okay is she being actually immature or is it just a woman over 30 expressing a human experience you find to be immature.

like yeah. at certain ages... let shit go. im not defending the real immature shit. im not defending the karen you're picturing. i worked in retail i hate those people too. (once somebody got mad at me because she didn't like how our winter window decor was a snowman smoking a pipe. i wish i was joking).

but men at 57 will write books about how 17 year old girls are soooo sexy. they will invent worlds where women have to be naked for "armor reasons." they will write songs that treat women as objects. people rush to defend them. meanwhile a woman at 35 will be like "heartbreak is hard, actually" or "i feel betrayed by a friend" or "i am struggling with something emotionally." immediately people will say stuff like this woman is 35 by the way. by the way this woman is SO OLD to be experiencing this. BY THE WAY.

im 31, almost 32. the other day a poet was blasted online because at her "big age", she had written a poem about feeling unloved. top comment was "this woman is 29 by the way." this woman is too old to still be useful, by the way. she has to behave better . maybe if she was a good wife and mother she could stop existing loudly, and the story could continue on without her. this woman has served her purpose, by the way. she's so cringe, by the way. at 29 - so old! - she still hasn't figured out that her existence should be one of shame.

[uncanny-tranny]

I'm going to preface this by saying that I have really complex feelings about this, and much of it is inspired by my personal experiences and a bit of learning about what other trans people experience. If I come across as messy, it is because of these reasons.

There's this unshakable feeling I have that when allies and even other trans people talk about trans people, transition and motivation for transition, and anything related to such, that there's only certain things that x type of trans person can (and should) experience and talk about.

Like, when people talk about FtMs/trans men/transmasc people, a common idea is that we're motivated to transition to game the system, to manipulate people into treating us better because we're now seen as men. A huge reason I never even bought into that idea is because, since transition (especially medical), I have been treated worse than I ever have been. Since transitioning and being on testosterone, I've been catcalled, had people insist I hand my number over, and I have to emphasize that I've never experienced these things until a couple of years ago (to clarify, this was in my real, corporeal life). I honestly can say that, while transition has saved my life and soul, I am treated worse by others than I ever had been pre-transition. However, because the idea of transmascs is that "they were victims of misogyny and they only want to escape it through transition" is popular even among some trans people, I feel like it's almost... taking something away by acknowledging that. Add to this that I'm white and that TPoC have so many experiences that intertwine with race, and that race absolutely goes into how trans people are treated.

I am not saying that my experience is the only valid or true one. I am very aware that I'm probably an outlier. However, I just notice that, time and time again, people hear what they want to hear about transness, and if people have even slightly different points of view from their experiences, it doesn't matter, or worse, those people are duplicitous and conniving.

[princessefemmelesbian]

Transandrophobia truthers are so damn racist and white oh my fucking god y'all actually piss me the fuck off every time you tokenize Black and brown men for your stupid as fuck "mra but make it trans-inclusive" ideology created by a creepy guy with a corrective rape fetish(something I'll never let up on for as long as I live, btw). If I ever see another one of y'all say "Black and brown men face discrimination because they're seen as overly masculine and that's why masculinity in men is oppressed in this society" I will literally kill myself. Stop using Black and brown men as brownie points for your bullshit arguments about misandry being real when you don't have the slightest idea how racialized oppression works. White boys are so annoying and dumb istfg.

@punkeropercyjackson @punknicodiangelo @pinkpinkstarlet

[altschmerzes]

omgggg shipping is not arophobic in the LEAST but keep making us look like whiners with no real problems by continuing to complain about it I guess

yeah that's definitely what i said in any post ever man great job

average person who has made shipping their entire identity will see a post where someone says 'hey please don't say these specific types of things that are degrading and cruel about nonromantic relationships while enjoying your ships and maybe examine the thought processes and beliefs and prejudices that led to saying them' and be like 'oh so you're a whiner with no real problems who thinks shipping is arophobic?'

telling on yourself there bud

[feminist-bitches-only]

Hey @ trans inclusive radical feminists, how do y’all beat the terf accusations while also talking about sex based oppression as a form of misogyny? I literally highlight my support of trans people in my bio and my pinned post and just got hit with a terf accusation :/

[ihavenomouthandimustmouth]

I see a lot of posts talking about how transmascs can be misogynistic, which is important to talk about, but I rarely see posts talking about how transmascs are affected by misogyny. How the misogyny we experience in our lives can have a lasting effect on our mental health and self-image, even if we transition and pass and become less affected. How much it sucks when you know you’re trans but are still targeted by misogyny, giving you the double punch of the harms of misogyny with bonus dysphoria. How people that see us as women even when they know we’re trans use misogyny as a weapon alongside transphobia to hurt us. And then, how when we talk about the ways misogyny has affected us, we get told that we’re making it up, that we can’t possibly ever be affected by misogyny (even pre transition or knowing we’re trans), that we are only ever the perpetuators of misogyny and never the victims, and that we’re speaking over women when we’re just trying to start our own discussions about our own experiences.

Talking about misogyny within the transmasc community is important and should be encouraged. Still, when I see non-transmascs that only ever talk about transmasculine people in the context of ways we can harm others, and never about the issues we face and the support we need, I have to wonder if they actually care about transmasculine people or just see us as a group of bad people that need to be called out.

[infiniteglitterfall]

pretty please, my fellow progressives

Could we please all keep in mind that the concept of "The Jews In General, or A Specific Type Of Jew, Controls Education, Government, Media, and/or Banking", is a longstanding antisemitic trope?

And most of all, that it is false??

No, a marginalized group does not also control education, the government, the media, and/or banking?

No, Jews do not secretly control these things and just pretend to be marginalized? No, Jews have not secretly been accumulating power since the Holocaust, granted by too-generous gentiles, out of pity?

No, it isn't better if you just mean a specific subgroup or kind of Jews. It's still specifically Jews.

It's like when people who hate trans/queer people are fine with rich white cis gay men. So they think it's not bigoted to blame "people with blue hair and pronouns" for the downfall of society.

We all know this means, "I only see some of you as human like me. You have to speak and act a certain way to count. Everyone in your group has to pass a test to get into the Good group."

Doesn't work.

Sure, it gives them plausible deniability to the people who matter to them. But everyone else can see exactly how they feel.

We've all known for years that it's bad to think of a marginalized group as having some "good ones." Rein it the heck in, please.

Because YES, all of those examples are ones I've seen implied, or stated outright, over and over, within the progressive community. This month alone.

[frogsare-friends]

it's so funny how bi women in relationships with men are considered basically straight but bi women in relationships with women aren't considered basically lesbians. omg it's almost like biphobia and misogyny are connected

[good-to-drive]

I think we should stop saying Paul was basically a woman and start saying Ringo was basically a woman, not because it's any less stupid but because it's exactly as stupid and much much funnier

[cheonminhyuk]

contrary to how i usually see it in fandom, i don't appreciate when goc ROs have quirks between their different gendered counterparts. i don't think it's lazy to just write the same character who happens to have two sprites, or that being goc somehow makes a female li not count when discussing the ratios in a story. i'm not here for some inherent difference between the male and female versions of the same character that is only there because they're a different gender. why can't fem onyx be a loser when it comes to plants? boo. i'm bi and pick the sprite i like more dafaq 💀

[tae-shimura-is-my-wife]

That's it now people are saying that bimisogyny it's actually misdirected lesbophobia...

[uncanny-tranny]

Passing as a trans man is a nuanced and complex topic, but one thing I have been noticing as somebody who is a cis-passing (white) trans man is the way I'm treated when there is conflict.

I've noticed that in conflict, people are almost meek around me, willing for me to try working with them up until a woman is involved. When a woman (or, really, anybody who the other party assumes is one) is part of the conflict, they direct all their anger and rage to them. It's fucking insane the way a woman is treated when there is conflict, even if it isn't her fucking fault. These people are fundamental cowards for seeing my manhood as the only reason they can't be openly hostile to me, but it reveals a lot about how a misogynist thinks on an almost primal level.

I'm watching the women and people around me I care about being torn apart by people, and that's unacceptable. I can't sit around to watch it, and I don't want to do that. I need other people to perhaps read this and remember to not stand by if there is something that you can tangibly do to help, even if it's to lend a listening ear or let the person vent.

[genkishoujo]

Not hating men girl. Trans men in specific. I am a nonbinary lesbian saying this. Stay tf out of trans intercommunity politics

Men being misogynistic is my problem. Misogyny hurts me as much as it hurts my sisters. As someone who has self identified as a nb lesbian anonymously I would expect you to understand that. If my posting hurts your ego that much then block me. Youre wasting valuable inbox space for real victims and people I actually care about (which does include cis and trans men. For the record. But that probably doesnt matter to you as much as coming into my inbox and complaining).

[fefairys]

transandrophobia is worth talking about. the word transandrophobia does not imply the existence of misandry holy fucking shit can we please move past this idea??? i’m so fucking tired. i’m so fucking tired.

[sexy-sapphic-sorcerer]

I'm now halfway through series 2 of Black Sails. my thoughts: (spoilers)

I already felt spoilt just having Max and Eleanor as my queer icons (they're relationship so far has been so heart wrenching but I love the pain)

but I did think 'there's no way that Anne Bonny is the only straight woman' so I'm very glad that she's joined the gay agenda

Max's seduction leading to Anne pulling a knife on her leading to sapphic kissing ❤️‍🔥 that's the shit I live for

I thought maybe we'd get some secondary gay characters in later series but I didn't dare hope that it would be captain James fucking Flint

his whole mission to self-govern Nassau is fulfilling his boyfriend's dream? 🥺 I said it was fascinatingly hypocritical (and it is) but he's also trying to create a queer utopia omfg

I do wish I saw more of Flint and Thomas's relationship (so far), it's like they wanted to do a dramatic plot twist by talking about "they hang men for this" before revealing what it was but it fell flat for me

the lack of intimacy between them also makes the sapphic relationships seem really objectified in comparison

Eleanor is a girlboss in the best way possible. I fuckin love complex female characters

Jack is a slimy rat bastard but the actor is from my home city so unfortunately he's my slimy rat bastard

I kept waiting for Billy Bones to have his Lucius Ourflagmeansdeath moment and I'm so glad to be right!

The themes of queerness, monstrosity, authority and revolution are marinating into a delicious rich sauce. I'm sure I'll be feasting on it soon