#and the thing is i like miquella too

[art-from-within]

Can i be real with you guys? Irdgaf abt that mohg discourse lol

[puppyeared]

my brothers been playing elden ring recently and he let me draw his character ^_^

[littlegoldfinchh]

why are people so upset about the ending of sote??? Like the base game hinted at miquella using his charms to manipulate people nfnd did ya really think that he was pure and innocent??

[orange-coloredsky]

the "3000 year old child" trope has the possibility to be genuinely intriguing and could explore the way children are treated across time no matter their apparent level of intelligence. it could be funny it could be heartbreaking it could be horrific to think about. too bad 90% of it is just an excuse to be a creep. sad!

[katyspersonal]

^ Still love Miquella and don't think he is evil in the slightest, but blocking anyway for absolutely obnoxious attitude 🤦‍♂️ What a repulsive thing to put under a fanart caption.

Honestly, it starts to make sense why I dislike Leda so much, sometimes to the point I feel a pit in my stomach when people express love/lust for her. It is not her being crazy fanatical bitch in the 'bad' way (like.. Alfred, Adella, Lautrec and Queelign fall for the trope as well after all), but the fact that she is like this over Miquella specifically. Because she is like a manifestation of this type of fans, as if developers knew what's going on in the fandom. :/

Like, no other character attracted fans THIS repulsive and obnoxious and intolerant for different interpretations. They were acting like fanatics as though they themselves fell for the Bewitching Branch energy before DLC, they are still doing this now. It falls for the common behaviour "trope" in other fandoms where the nicest characters/niches attract the worst kind of people.

I was ALSO fed up with 'evil Miquella' readings, I am still fed up with 'greep Gehrman' takes etc, but I still disapprove of 'gEt MeDiA LiTeRaCy uwu' behaviour in the fandom!! Anyways this blog is a safe space for people that dislike Miquella or want to shape him into Griffith or whatever you like

[bellepeppertronix]

Elden Ring thoughts re: Mogh and Miquella, and Miquella in general

Why are writers still doing the thing where there's a reveal that an apparent victim of kidnapping and molestation turns out to be the secret mastermind controlling the molestor?

Especially when the apparent victim is shown to look like a child?

What are these (let's be honest) mostly cis-man writers trying to get us to absorb? Who are they trying to make us feel sympathy for? And why?

To point out, after some digging, Mogh already had a compelling backstory before they decided to *checks notes* have perpetually childlike looking younger brother seduce and then mind-wipe him. And then use his body as a shell to put the soul of their half-brother into. So that the childlike older brother could marry the body with the soul of his half brother living in it.

Like Oooo The Tragedy...(and his story up to this point IS a tragedy)

But did we need this "actually the pre-pubescent looking victim of a kidnapping is at least hundreds of years old AND he orchestrated his own kidnapping 😌 and the guy who the whole fandom has been making 'molester' jokes about was innocent all along 😌" ???

Did we need this in this day and age? When so many actual victims are coming forward and pointing out that they couldn't speak out for years because the person who attacked them was socially prominent or wealthy? Like why are these men making DARVO into huge plot points in videogames, presented as a vindication for the apparent aggressor?

[knightofleo]

Can I get an Amen.

[luminaryofblood]

God, every time I see posts arguing about "Stop comparing Miquella to Griffith!" I feel this burning sting because, come the DLC and-- yeah, they kinda did go and turn Miquella into a Griffith.

[dimitrscu]

writing about my elden ring oc has been my comfort thing for the last two years but since this dlc i genuinely can’t bring myself to enjoy it anymore. miquella, the haligtree and even malenia feel so different to me now

[trashingfish]

I do wanna re-think on Malenia's flaw, being that she can't accept defeat. I still think that is her flaw. But with the new information that the DLC brings, I wanna think more on it

[nokstella-old]

there is a lot about the elden ring dlc i am excited for, but the opportunity to learn more and maybe even meet miquella is the biggest thing for me, his story fascinates me so much and i just want to learn more about him

[pillowenvelopchair]

Even MORE doodles. Cant get these brain worms out of my head. Some stuff here is from Still Waters by @un-local go check it out!!!

[katyspersonal]

Regarding previous post about disco horse: I really appreciate that everyone is actually talking for once, but a kind of jab happened on my mental health so I have to step away. It isn't from this post, but the reason is sort of connected

Again, I personally find no problems with the DLC except for how Radahn ship came from nowhere and can justify how that comes. But regardless of how many things anyone else dislikes about the DLC: you are valid to hate it as much as you want, but when you start insulting people who loved/accepted/justified the DLC as "media illiterate fromsoft dickriders who keeps coping even after the honeymoon phase passed" and variation I draw the line. There are many ways where other fans can find reason where you didn't and there is potential in new lore that you won't use. Absurd how some people are still willing to support illusory narrative that Radahn Redditor simps are the "worst" part of the fandom when not even at their most arrogant and annoying they can dream to reach HALF of the toxicity cultish Miquella/Malenia fans have, over the awful crime of having different readings, opinions and priorities.

And yes, I know it is inevitable that Tumblr and Twitter fans WOULD make a moral/intellectual/maturity contest out of how people feel about the DLC (🤡🤡🤡), but it hurts when people I actually don't want to butt heads with who start to approve of this mentality. Like, okay cool. Wallow in your elitist toxic pool of Ledas while we, "pathetic dickriders" go and "cope" somewhere else, hope everyone is more comfortable this way 🤦‍♂️ I am tired of getting hurt through endless passive aggression and I have my limits. It is just always hurtful to finally rip the bandage, even IF it is to the better. I need a hiatus for a longer time, albeit for a different reason now

[sealer-of-wenkamui]

I CAN understand why Mohg's character would make people uncomfortable. I admit to being a bit hesitant on the character myself.

But in the end, the design drew me in. I tried to like the character without acknowledging that particular aspect.

"... You know what, it's a part of his character. If I am to enjoy this character, I'm gonna have to acknowledge the good and the bad. I've done it with Eddie Gluskin, and I've done it with Ramsey Snow."

And it DOES make him an interesting character! Doesn't make it right with what he did.

But the thing that buggers me is that Mohg gets a ton more hatred than Seluvis or Dung Eater -- and those two, imo, are worse...!

I'll give Seluvis credit for having that really fancy Sombrero though.

I don't blame people for being uncomfortable, even if objectively speaking he's not necessarily worse than any of the other demigods (all the murder, torture, grafting, etc.) sexual violence on a whole tends to make people more uncomfortable to talk about, and that's pretty heavily implied to be a part of what he's doing to Miquella (between his one-sided, possessive "love" for him, being inside of his body, the overtly sexual wording of the remembrance, wanting to start a dynasty with him, etc- even if you take a more generous reading of the situation and think there's no actual sexual contact, his violation of Miq is still very much framed as a parallel to sexual assault. Bedchamber is a very specific choice of words and JP even refers to the bedchamber of a married couple, and there's some level of violation of his body going on, even if the specifics of how much are up to interpretation.) People who are fine with depictions of murder and body horror often still find the topic upsetting, and on top of it, its also incest and Miq's initial appearance being childlike definitely doesn't help the situation either.

And I too think his design (and theme!) are some of the best in the game! I don't think anyone that's genuinely upset by these darker aspects of his story should explore them or anything, its most important to take care of yourself after all, I'm more just bothered by people that try to deny them completely or say how dare GRRM "ruin" his character like this! Because it IS part of his canon character and part of what makes him interesting.

It's as you say, if you want to fully appreciate his canon character, its an unavoidable part of it. And it's fiction after all, liking a character that has done truly creepy and atrocious things doesn't make you a bad person, its a place where you can explore these darker topics safely. I find Mohg in particular interesting because of the fact that he's doing everything from his idea of "love", and its likely his own rough childhood that influenced how he behaves now. It's fun to think about how someone could hurt the object of their affection so deeply because of "love". The FM's influence is a gift in his eyes! He is pleasuring his lover! He constantly is by his side, why wouldn't Miq come to appreciate that? It's really twisted, and yes, he's tragic but it doesn't excuse his actions in the least, but it does make for a very complex and interesting character! That's why I hate to see him demonized as PURE EVIL or his atrocities ignored (if we're talking about his canon character)

Oh yeah for sure they're just as bad if not worse, and they even both have the creepy sexual violence implications in their story too, so it can't be people just thinking Mohg worse for that?? Making living people into your own personal puppets and intentionally trying to curse everyone by doing things so unspeakable that a hardened criminal is deeply afraid of what's gonna happen to him you would think would get more hate (and its not just with one person but multiple people they're doing this too) but I dunno! The only thing I can think of is I guess Mohg is a more important character? Or more charismatic and appealing so he gets more attention in the first place?? Or else people are bothered by the incest/underage (though Miq doesn't seem to actually be a child so that's not even true) thing specifically?

[nectarblood]

i AM weary of life

[sadlazzle]

battle of the prosthetics. who wins malenia (blade of miquella) or frankie (stein)