#and the palestinian people just want peace

[ultramaga]

NPR is a racist propaganda outlet. "a celebration of a resurging Indigenous language" Name one thing in the bill that somehow suppressed Maori languages. BTW, there was no group called Maori until recently. It was a collection of tribes that colonised Newc Zealand, wiping out all others as they moved out. The colonisers weren't white, however, so that totally doesn't count and is good akshually.

"Just fighting for the rights that our tūpuna, our ancestors, fought for"

Name them. Name them, I dare you. What rights are those? "a long tradition of peaceful marches" The half-white Maori Supremacist that started this threatened to kill the political opponents in the chamber. "people of all ages and races waited with Māori sovereignty flags" We call them "chickens for KFC". They are useful idiots who never examine what they are told. A Maori Supremacist tells them Maoris are being oppressed if they can't have a two-tier state. Something that would be intolerable if some white group had organised it, like was done in South Africa. ""It's different to when I was a child," Bob said. "We're stronger now, our tamariki are stronger now" Yet Maoris keep going to Australia because the New Zealand economy is getting weaker and weaker. How strange that the ethnostate does more poorly than the more egalitarian country adjacent, set up around the same time?

"others read "proud to be Māori"" And yet "proud to be White" is legally classed as Hatespeech. One rule for thee .... "said Ben Ogilvie, who is of Pākehā or New Zealand European descent" And that's typical of the Maori Supremacists - mostly white people who have done nothing with their lives, but who want to feel superior to others, so they claim to be racially superior. "marchers bore Samoan, Tongan, Indigenous Australian, U.S., Palestinian and Israeli flags, too"

So they are just generally activists for the sake of it. They aren't marching FOR anything except idiocy. "We hope that we can unite with our Pākehā friends, Europeans" Says the Maori Supremacist, denying the existence of the shared country, New Zealand.

So here's some homework: 1) Why do Leftists never refer to caucasians as the indigenous people of Europe? Why does "indigenous" only refer to brown-skinned people? Because then the same logic - that indigenous people have a right to ancestral lands - would be used to stop mass migration into Europe, perhaps?

2) When the Maori ancestors killed, raped and ate the people they encountered, did those people have rights? If there are any survivors, can they protest the Maori, and demand reparations, or does that totally only count if the 'coloniser' is white?

Māori rights protests in New Zealand draw tens of thousands : NPR

[queer-geordie-nerd]

I'm struggling to understand why the war in Gaza is a 'genocide' when the government of Gaza together with civilians invaded and attacked Israel and have stated that they want to wipe Israel off the map. About 45,000 Gazans have been killed since Hamas's October 7th 2023 attack.

But the war in Ukraine in which Russia invaded and attacked Ukraine, and in which more than a million people have since been killed.. is 'just a war'. More people have been killed in Ukraine than in Gaza. So why is what Russia doing not a 'genocide'? Why is nobody parading in the streets calling for Russia to be wiped off the map? Where else do Ukrainians live besides Ukraine? Russia is trying to make Ukraine not exist, the identity of Ukrainian not exist, the Ukrainian language not exist. Russia has used a nuclear-capable intercontinental ballistic missile against Ukraine. No country has EVER done that.

But what Israel is doing is somehow worse? Because they are defending themselves and their land against the people who want to evict and/or exterminate them? Israel who send aid to civilians in Gaza? Israel who send evacuation warnings to civilians in Gaza before they drop bombs? Israel whose people (Jews) originated in the land (Israel) thousands of years before Islam even existed? Thousands of years before Arabs invaded and conquered it? Thousands of years before the word 'Palestine' was even invented (by the Romans!)

WHY? Besides ignorance of history and a generalised hatred of Jews, why? Why is the war in Gaza a "genocide" and the war in Ukraine not?

I see people who want to exterminate a group of people and take their land for themselves. Russia wants to delete Ukraine and Ukrainians and Hamas wants to delete Israel and Israelis. Ukrainians and Israelis are trying to stop that from happening.

Russia already has more land than any other country on earth. From Europe all the way to the far east of China. 'Palestinians' (Arabs) already have Jordan and Egypt and Lebanon and Syria and Saudi Arabia most of the rest of the Middle East and North Africa. Their language and religion dominates.

What I see is too former empires, the Russian Empire/Soviet Union and the Ottoman Empire/Muslim caliphate conquerers, who cannot accept that they will not be allowed to conquer the world any more. That minorities fight back and have support. That this is not the 19th century anymore.

And they have managed to twist and abuse the language of social justice to manipulate people into thinking they are the righteous ones when they are in fact the violent aggressors and the hateful fundamentalists.

Hamas and its supporters are the Westboro Baptist Church of Islam. They are sick, hateful, religious fundamentalists who wish death on anyone and everyone who is not like them.

There would be peace if Russia left Ukraine alone. There would be peace if Arabs who hate Israel simply moved 50 miles to Jordan or Egypt or went back to Arabia where their language and religion and culture came from. Their language would be safe, their religion would be safe, their culture would be dominant and entirely their own. If Israel or Ukraine were to give up fighting (defending themselves) their cultures and languages and history would all be destroyed. They would be homeless, stateless. Many if not most would be imprisoned or murdered.

It's antisemitism, that's really what it all boils down to. It's completely disingenuous of anyone to see the absolute double standards the only Jewish state in the world is held to and deny that, IMHO.

[aro-as-in-straight-as-a]

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[fairuzfan]

it's quite a dishonest framing that you say hussein was "regarding you with suspicion" baselessly even though you've publicly state on your blog how you believe zionism is an "intracommunity" discussion.

they at no point even mention that they blame you for "israel's actions". they assumed you were talking about zionism because of previous pointed statements you endorsed where you say zionism should be only discussed by jews. its not imagined, you straight up said this? and you claim that hussein is antisemitic for assuming you're saying the same thing again just with more inclusive language? And it coincided a few days after me posting that tributary post about "defining yourself as zionist or antizionist"? So he assumed that it was in relation to it? sure you might not have meant it about zionism this time, but with previous statements you've made/endorsed you don't exactly have the right to act like you have no idea why they would assume that and misconstrue this as an antisemitic attack where he's conflating zionism with judiasm when you literally agree that zionism should only be discussed by jews, which means you yourself are conflating zionism and judiasm.

but ok, i guess, they were just taking your words out of context because they're "antisemitic". I even saw this ask last month and assumed you were talking about zionism in your recent post because of this statement you published and told him privately thats what i assumed you were talking about. Not because of you being jewish. But because i remembered this statement you agreed with because i was so offended reading it. And yeah it's a really bad statement that I'll remember because of how antipalestinian it is so sorry I don't think you get to claim the moral highground???? You didn't exactly disagree with any part of this person's statements?????

And like I would have left this alone but hussein often gets called antisemitic by people you associate with and reblog from, and it really shows how little compassion you all have for Palestinians (which btw as I say over and over, we have a right to point out harmful rhetoric that impacts us) who have a "knee-jerk reaction" to these things when we quite literally see our communities call for the deaths of our friends and family by starvarion and bombing in the name of zionism and when we call it out irl we get called antisemitic. You could have like sent an ask or publicly clarified your intentions but you just jumped straight to calling him antisemitic. Which the onus of responsibility is on YOU because of your previous statements. Why would we assume you mean something different based on past experiences???

Rhetoric like "zionism is an intracommunity issue" is stuff that has literally led to death of our loved ones so of course we have "kneejerk reactions" when there is literal proof of you saying these things before. We are not doing this because you're Jewish, we are doing this because we see and experience first hand this rhetoric and youre perpetuating it blatantly and you have people who follow you who look to you for perspective on "israel/palestine". It's so disingenuous to claim he's an antisemite when he's literally finding common talking points zionists perpetuate against us and call it out. And saying "I don't support the likud government or Westbank settlers" means nothing to us because our families were expelled from palestine before likud and settlers happened. Trying to separate modern day zionism from its colonial roots from the 1800s is at its core anti-palestinian, no matter what other conversations you want to have.

Again like the only reason this matters is because people follow you and look to you for perspective AND you reblog/interact with people we have pointed out as harmful. I literally would not care enough to make this post if i didnt see your posts spread enough times around here. So it's not because you're jewish and framing it like that is really dishonest when the person pointing this out was a palestinian who lost family due to zionism throughout multiple generations of their lives.

[katebihshop]

there is a world of difference between "this person was fired for supporting palestine" and "this person was fired for being a raging antisemite" and you do in fact need to actually look at what that person said to determine which it is. it sets a dangerous precedent to consider any support of palestine inherently antisemitic but it is just as dangerous to excuse antisemitism under the guise of supporting palestine.

[socialistexan]

If leftists and anti-imperialists inside Israel were so nonexistent (or just small and insignificant) like some of y'all on this website like to pretend they are, then why does the Israeli government and its officials work so hard to counteract them and act like they can singlehandedly bring down the entire government.

Sometimes you have allies on the inside, we have to learn how to have solidarity and not act like every single person in the illegitimate state of Israel is a Likudist ethnonationalist.

[caramellashton]

It was easy to tell who was the predator when the war on Ukraine happened (still going btw) but in this...

Somebody is doing something to someone I guess

Oh we still need to wait for august too...

[enobariasteeth]

I genuinely don't understand how people can see what's going on in Palestine and not side with the Palestinian people. It makes me nauseous everytime I come online, seeing the new atrocities, and then seeing people excusing it/denying it.

[jewishbarbies]

for freedom fighters resisting against an oppressor hamas sure spends a lot of time NOT attacking the oppressor. they just want to live and are doing what they have to do to survive, yet they have time to enjoy raping and mutilating women and young girls while palestinians are dying supposedly by the thousands every day. hm.

[dogsplayingpoker]

someohow even after all this time it feels like people are still managing to come out of the woodwork day and night to reveal that they don't give half a shit about human life, justice, mercy, dignity, equality....kidnlt old men i follow on fucking youtube will unmask themselves as violent racists who want palestinian children dead. my family is either to cowardly and self-absorbed to be informed about anything or they're slobbering for an easy answer so they can go back to tuning things out and pretending everything is or ever was fine. even my mom wants to desperately cling to kamala being Somehow Different. even supposedly/historically left media is just trying to fucking manifest it. we promise she's different guys we promise based on nothing because we want her to be different and in that we're revealing that our best case scenario is for a liberal one step left of center will say genocide is bad and then go back to imperial business as usual and we can all go back to playing american econimic socialist because i guess all of our morals and everything we stood for was just play pretend the entire fucking time.

[chaiaurchaandni]

[captainimprobable]

love when i have to unfollow someone ive followed for like 13 years bc they support Hamas <3 Not sure why you're completely incapable of supporting Palestinians without also supporting a terrorist group that has said out loud multiple times that they exist to murder jews <3 "long live the intifada" okay. okay. do you. do you know what the intafadas are?

[jay0fspad3s]

I want to reblog things that support Palestine but every time I see someone write "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" I think of what people have told me about people using that statement as a call for genocide of Israeli people... and as much as I want Palestinian people to be free, I don't think massacring another group of people, many of which have been in Israel their entire lives, is the answer either

[rinielelrandir]

If you follow me and in any way, shape, or form think the Israeli civilians killed and kidnapped on 07Oct (including children! including old people! including goddamn peace activists working for Palestinian liberation longer than some of us have been alive!) *deserved* what happened by virtue of being Israeli? Do me a favor and unfollow me. This is me showing you the door, please see yourself out, I do not want to have a conversation with you about this. (See tags for caveat.) Because killing of non-combatants is never okay.

It literally does not matter which "side" you are on here. To be clear, I do not agree with being on any "side", this isn't a fucking sports match. These are real people being straight up murdered. Palestinian and Israeli. Both for having the misfortune to be born the wrong country or the wrong religion. That will always be wrong. Hamas is wrong. The Israeli government is wrong. Because killing civilians is always wrong. That's it. That's the takeaway. You don't get to say "Palestinians have a right to self-defense" as a justification for 07Oct. Self-defense does not extend to civilian targets. To non-combatants. To CHILDREN.

And to be quite clear, I will not accept "Israel has a right to self-defense" as a justification for the killing of Palestinian civilians but I'm largely not seeing that from Jewish leftists, including Israelis and including Zionists. I'm largely seeing them call for a ceasefire and for peace and condemn the Israeli government and its actions.

But I *am* seeing fellow western leftists, particularly non-Jews, defend Hamas and the 07Oct attacks in their desire to stand with Palestine. You have to stop doing that. Hamas are not the good guys, you can read their damn charter documents online. You can read analyses of them by experts - Hamas is a religious extremist group intent on imposing jihadist control over the entire region and eliminating all Jews. It's not something they've been secretive about. They routinely kidnap, torture, and kill PALESTINIAN peace activists who they learn have met with Israeli peace activists or in any way worked towards a 2 state solution. They use global aid donated to Gaza for themselves while letting their citizens suffer. Their most prominent leaders don't even live within Gaza, aren't even at severe risk. These are all things you can verify easily and readily just by doing some basic research anywhere that isn't Twitter, tumblr, or Al Jazerra.

So if you want to justify killing civilians? If you want to support a terrorist organization? If you are going to unilaterally condemn all Israelis for the crime of being citizens of a country whose government you disagree with? Please see yourself out. And when you do, please keep in mind that I am a nonzionist telling you to kindly consider availing yourself of the sea. I do not support Israel and I work with actual Palestinian liberation organizations when I can. I've been doing so for the better part of the past 5 years. I attend a synagogue that is actively involved in Palestinian liberation as well as the first nonzionist havurah in the US. I'm not exactly new to this.

But I am also a Jew. I do not support Israel, the government of the nation state, largely because I do not support the concept of nation states as a whole. I find the system inherently violent. But I *do* support, Israel, the people. I am a Jew by Choice. I have chosen to throw my lot in with Israel and her people. They are MY people. If you gleefully call for my people to be slaughtered, I want nothing to do with you.

[bardicious]

Nonnie, if you’re out there. I blocked you. I hope one day you can get off your high horse and see that you don’t have to and aren’t in the position to make judgment calls on which atrocities are worse. If your answer to concerns about anti-semitism (in reference to these protestors or other) is to devalue or downplay a certain group of people’s suffering, then you really need to rethink your morality.

I have no problem understanding how fucked up it is that so many Palestinian citizens are dying. That’s a really fucked up situation that I have no control over. Same, mind you, as the many other atrocities happening around the world, that the current trend activists are ignoring. The reality is I don’t have even enough info to give a sound judgment call on that situation (as many Americans here DON’T and it’s always amazing to me the lack of grey area anywhere in politics these days), however, I HAVE seen the antisemitism increase in my area. That I CAN have an opinion on. And that really REALLY pisses me off. And I find it astounding that these so called activists can claim racism/genocide while condoning and supporting Hama’s actions. It really takes a good lack of self awareness to support Hamas. And use the famously fucked up quote “from the river to the sea” (no, no one cares how you’re trying to reclaim it)

Furthermore, shit like this actively turns people against your cause! I hope you realize that! So you’re not helping Palestinian people either. You’re just making everyone else angrier! 🙃 so, yes, hope you and people like you can understand that one day.

[screw-u-vaanu]

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