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Evbo from PVP Civilization is..fascinating in terms of morality and how he weighs the value of sentient life. This young man has, a frankly shocking amount of kindness and respect for those he deems to be worthy of it, especially for PVP Civilization. But will casually kill off side characters, regardless if they have threatened him or not. Sure, you could say that these deaths were necessary and a thing he just had to do to survive and get to the next layer.. But he is seemingly unbothered by the idea of taking lives. He is himself, scared of dying for the first part of the series, but then starts throwing himself into danger and having others kill him, not himself, but other people. For the first episode of the series, he is on the edge of death, scared of the marketplace and something must've happened that stuck with him in particular. Then that fear is gone, and with it, the pacifism he originally had in the series. He never killed someone until Tabi came along. Evbo cares a whole lot for his companions, going so far as to let them kill him without mercy, but cannot show the same level of empathy for people he just..runs into for the sole purpose of slaughter. Even when they actively flee from him, even when they pose zero threat to him as an immortal being, he still kills. This sole fact is why I personally don't think that Evbo is entirely innocent nor can be written off as being a complete victim, nobody is in this series. You have to kill to survive, descending down, down, further down into your own depravity. Relinquishing any morals that may be tying you down. He's almost there, but not quite enough to be on the same level as say, Tabi. This poses a new question. How low can he sink before he hits rock bottom?
#pvp civilization#pvp civ spoilers#very implied though#i do think Evbo is more complicated than just. precious little kid that alot of folks see him as#this dude whether you like it or not has actual blood on his hands#and some of them were innocent!#some of them were in their homes when he killed them!#and i think the fact that is a thing to consider makes him probably one of the more unpredictable swords in the series#he is the dog folks are scared of#one that doesn't give warning signs when its about to bite#tw existentialism#just incase
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I’ve discovered my favorite genre of Bagginshield art is where Thorin is a lovesick idiot who is Losing It and Bilbo is unbothered or oblivious to Thorin’s suffering LMAO
#thorin oakenshield#bilbo baggins#bagginshield#if anyone has more please send it to me I have like four rn#I know I made a post a while back talking about how I wish there were more posts that focused on each of their lives outside of each other#and I still stand by that but I also can’t deny the fun in a Important Dwarf like Thorin turning into an idiot around Bilbo#tbh this works even platonically. this guy has friends bc he’s lucky not bc he’s actually friendly#so I can imagine becoming friends with Bilbo is like ‘fuck now I have to be nice bc he WILL actually leave. uh. oh god’#love men who are grouchy and offputting <3#and Bilbo is oblivious not as a flaw but bc he’s just not wired that way and he’s just accepting that Thorin is weird#bc he has no basis of which to assume he isn’t just Like That sometimes same way the dwarves don’t know shit abt hobbits#and it’s not as like. Bilbo being extremely innocent either he’s just not thinking about it LMAO#and Bilbo Also doesn’t have a ton of friends (different reasons but he IS also grouchy and petty) and he’s just ‘?? ok’#they’re both fucking stupid and everyone around them is dying and in anguish#I particularly enjoy when a character who is emotionally constipated and stoic and whatever just starts losing it#not even necessarily in a sappy or angsty way just. those emotions gotta come out eventually#so for a guy like Thorin who takes himself seriously and is very closed off emotionally it’s fun to just imagine that facade cracking#meanwhile Bilbo is just like ‘you ok??’#Bilbo himself has some emotional issues so it’s double the entertainment
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I love imagining the most tragically evil characters with features that remind you they were once innocent.
Garmadon with dimples, and wrinkles around his eyes from how much he smiles.
Morro with wide innocent eyes and a resting face that looks like a clueless child.
Harumi with rosy pink cheeks and laugh lines.
Arin with bushy brows that furrowed when he was concentrated and glittering eyes every time he’s excited.
And Oni Lloyd with soft green eyes as the rest of him is morphed into a monster no one can recognise.
And its sad to think that during the phase of their life where they were at their worst, when hope was no longer an option and they had to hold their fate and morph it with their own hands, that you could only ever see the shadow of those features.
Yet, when they are given a hand to reach for and a chance to grow and a chance to be the person they really want to be, everyone ends up blinded by the glimmers of a fleeting past they no longer remember. So much stronger, as if the dust was being removed and masks were being broken.
#lego ninjago#ninjago#i love thinking about traguc villains#who were once so innocent#so kind and hopeful#and the world had no mercy on them#changing them and warping them into a sick image that they themselves hold onti#no because imagine thise closest to them seeing thise features from when they were innocent#but now on a face so different#harumi ninjago#garmadon ninjago#arin ninjago#morro ninjago#morro wu#garmadon#harumi jade#ninjago arin#when are we gonna gibe arin and sora last names#sora probably unclaimed hers though tbf#and wyldfyre definitely doesnt have one#but arin needs something bro#when are the creators gonna drop us with some weird arin lore we can use ti make a last name#ninjago lloyd#lloyd garmadon#i forgot his tags 😭#oni form#oni lloyd
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The victim is... the same as yesterday?
Since Danny managed to master the power of duplication he noticed a couple of things: duplicates didn't always disappear when he wanted them to, it was possible to make many at once and he could change shapes when he used it. The duplicates also disappeared in ecto when destroyed.
So, when the halfa moved to a new location he decided it made the most sense to release "Human Danny's" over Gotham and stay as Phantom to look at his new home from the sky. He needed to investigate his new surroundings and probably find a better place to live.
This made the bats desperate, they had multiple alerts of "Multiple black-haired, blue-eyed boys wandering into dangerous territories" and "A meta flying around Gotham", Bruce doubted it was a coincidence, maybe the meta was a new villain.
In some cases they couldn't get there in time and the blue-eyed boy died mysteriously, since they didn't communicate with each other, they didn't know it was the same victim over and over again. Danny wasn't surprised when he felt one of his duplicates return to him. Of course, the halfa had no idea he was giving Red Robin traumas about a boy "vanishing on acid".
The batfamily, who remained without communication, thought that some villain was chasing down black-haired, blue-eyed people and killing them. Jason was the first to realize that it was the same boy and he frowned not understanding the situation. He found the meta and he was almost harmless, which didn't have sense.
#dpxdc#Danny wanted to explore his new home#so he created like two or three duplicates daily to explore while he search for a new home as Phantom#since the duplicates are still Danny they found trouble easy#some of them were attacked by villains#and decided to “die” to keep their human status#Danny didn't know the bats were seeing him dying#dp x dc#dc x dp#Poor Tim is traumatized#he tough the Joker killed the boy with acid#but no#it was just the duplicate melting and becoming ectoplasm#The Batfamily doesn't communicate#they are confused#since the victims “disappear” and for some reason they can't take a photo#the photos are always corrupted#the bats tough they were different victims#Bruce thinks there is someone pointing at the Waynes and catching innocent people#he's just theorizing at this point
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Literally Bruce in Robin Lives! and other comics: Nobody blames me more for what became of my kids than myself. Taking them in was a selfish decision. I fucked them up, I'm leading them nowhere than pain and death. I should isolate myself and stop interacting with anyone else to stop hurting people, to stop hurting them. (Is often shown that he is wrong and his kids don't blame him, EVEN JASON)
Some genius on Tumblr: Bruce thinks he saved his kids for taking them in, but everyone else can see he is the one who fucked up some perfectly healthy kid!
#batman#bruce wayne#jason todd#robin#batfam#dc comics#my ramblings#This is primarily about Jason that's why he is the only one tagged#media literacy? what's that? some cheese?#Bruce spend all Robin Lives! hating himself and blaming himself where does he paint himself as innocent??? where do y'all see that bs???#also none of the kids were perfectly healthy before Bruce took them in#Jason was heavily traumatized malnourished abused#Bro Jason was fucked up by Gotham and Joker being adopted and living with Bruce being Robin was one of the BEST moment of his life
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Ulysses obsession with the Courier is a special type of sad to me cause the Courier’s part was so important but so unwitting. They had no idea what was in the package they delivered and neither did he. Neither had an idea of what it could’ve done and the Courier was only caring out their job (mind you the Courier could be killed via notes in the express contract if they don’t). To them it was just another regular delivery to the divide and one that they likely thought would help, just like all the ones before.
It’s so tragic for Ulysses to hold so much ire to the Courier when it really was the case of it could’ve been anyone. Anyone could have delivered that package but they did and so he focused the blame on them and it destroys what he is trying to instill in the courier on a fundamental level.
#like yeah the courier delivered the package but in the end that’s a job#any random courier could’ve delivered it especially since we know in the past the factions were farther apart and this travel was a smidge#safer but courier six got it and this Ulysses blamed them#like I don’t care much for Ulysses because I think lonesome road embodies don’t shoot the messenger at it core#and what people focus on doesn’t focus on the fact that in the bigger picture#everything went wrong because two factions were at war and at some point the codes would have been delivered#and the divide destroyed cause with how close it is to NCR territory it would of been found#like there is an inevitable and too many people treat Ulysses as if he knows more or is more aware of the idiosyncrasies of conflict#when he’s like fundamentally flawed just at the standard of being a legion apologist STILL and just how focused he is on one persons#involvement cause yeah choices matter even the small one but I think Veronica’s quest says it best with a line from the courier#you can’t control what they do#like the courier couldn’t and can’t control what they deliver and yet it’s got them in hot water multiple times#like do you think they enjoy being shot or knowing they are indirectly responsible for activating the annihilation of a community#to me it’s hypocrisy to be willing to end the world or one world to prove a point and whatever argument made that only military factions#suffer forget there are innocent civilians suffering that had no part and Ulysses is no better than the Courier#I don’t like devils advocate and a lot of the dlc just feels like that but idk I know people love it but the depth is just not there for mr#ulysses fnv#fallout#fallout new vegas#courier six#the courier#lonesome road#the courier has very little personality outside what we give them but some lines and delivery paint a picture#like uhhhh undertale deltarune rules ig
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peaceful is when u punch jews, yell slurs, set things on fire and wave around signs with mein kampf quotes on it
#not sure if stuff was set on fire but i saw a video where stuff was burning so im assuming#either way what’s even the point of calling those protests peaceful other than just to seem like innocent victims#idk making this post bcz of the amount of times ive seen people reblogging stuff about them#“starving out and calling the police on peaceful protesters”#when most of the protestors were violently calling for the deaths of not just israelis but all jews#like free palestine but don’t act like pro-terrorism and violent antisemitism are peaceful or helping anyone#idk#antisemitism#jumblr#<- bcz i don’t feel like being called slurs today#mutuals please read some of you’ve been getting too comfortable#ryan shut the fuck up
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mdzs tumblr post au but it’s just “what were you doing at the devil’s sacrament” (nightless city)
#i’ve gotten there in my reread and while wwx def didn’t have good intentions *going* there#(he did want to vent his anger; ‘they finally attacked first!’ etc)#frankly i don’t see it as any different from a battle they’d initiated#(and also the actual thing WAS actually a battle they iniated even if wwx was waiting for that to happen but ignoring that)#it was a pledge against him and one with intention of attack#jgs literally said ‘and tomorrow we’ll scatter the ashes of the rest of the wen dogs and the yiling patriarch wei ying’#whether he meant it literally or not doesn’t matter bc at some point they *were going to attack*#and everyone there came to sign up for that right? everyone was prepared to face wwx in battle already right?#and if they WEREN’T prepared to do that and were just there for reputation points THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE#THAT’S ON THEM#so no they weren’t planning to be attacked BY wwx but they WERE planning to attack wwx which should be the same thing#the only difference is who has the advantage of surprise… which they were planning to use to their advantage#so regardless of wwx’s intentions (and their impacts on his morality if you care about that)#i do NOT think it’s fair to say he killed x thousand innocents/unprepared people/sth along those lines#that battle and those casualities were going to happen anyway the only difference was when#(and the only reason it IS painted as such an evil act rather than some heroic battle is because by all metrics wwx won)#so yeah 3000 cultivators… *what were YOU doing at the devil’s sacrament*#mdzs misc#mdzs
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The thing is...
Wen Ning probably would not even have considered telling Jiang Cheng the truth if he wasn't acting like an asshole towards Wei Ying. It wasn't even the anger that pissed him off because he validates Jin Ling's own anger towards himself for Jin Zixuan's death and is willing and ready to accept consequences, even though he was being controlled at the time.
I think it was the character assassination that Jiang Cheng had created in his head about Wei Ying. I think it was Jiang Cheng telling Jin Ling half truths about how his parents died. I think it was Jiang Cheng insulting and blaming Wei Ying and Lan Zhan for things that were never their fault like the fall of Lotus Pier because:-
repeat after me, the blame for the genocide of any group lies solely on the people doing the genocide.
I've said this before, but blaming some kid for being insolent in order to incite conflict is Dictatorship 101. It was never about Wei Ying or Lan Zhan or any other thing Wen Chao and Wang Lingjiao wanted to blame. They were just excuses. Blaming Wei Ying would be like blaming a muslim child for the ethnic cleansing of the Uyghur people just because the child did something 'disrespectful'.
And I don't think him saying that Jiang Cheng would never surpass Wei Ying was uncalled for either because I don't think he was talking in terms of power. I think he meant it in terms of integrity, morality, kindness. Because at the end of the day, Wei Ying sacrificed everything to save the Remnants even without a core, all while Jiang Cheng told him to abandon them. Everyone keeps saying that Jiang Cheng was thinking about the politics of the situation, but once you use politics to justify leaving an innocent group of people to die, then you need to have your own morals checked.
#wen ning#jiang cheng#wei ying#mdzs#mo dao zu shi#mxtx#because what the fuck???#what the absolute fuck?????#why would anyone even think that politics wpuld justify what jiang cheng did???#or in this case did not do#i will never understand people who keep using that excuse#the worst part is jiang cheng KNEW#he knew the wen remnants were harmless#some of them even innocent#he knew that wei ying wasnt the only one responsible for jin zixuans death#he knew what the other clans were saying about wei ying were wrong#he knew and still did nothing#love whatever character you want to love#just stop bending over backwards to blame other people for the shit your fav did#mine
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Okay, but what if the entire Cang Qiong mountain turns into silent hill post-PIDW.
Decades after Shen jiu died and the burning of the sect, Luo Binghe, Ning Yingying, Liu Mingyan, and perhaps even Qiu Haitang, visit the burnt husk of what was once Cang Qiong. Only to find themselves trapped in a hell of their own making. Forced to confront their guilt and feelings about the downfall of both the sect and the world they all had a hand in ruining.
Forced to face hard truths about both themselves, and that perhaps everything they thought they knew wasn't entirely true.
#idea dump#ramblings of a sleep deprived girl#mxtx svsss#svsss#scum villian self saving system#silent hill#Cang Qiong becomes Silent Hill Post-PIDW#Luo Binghe and his wives get trapped and experience psychological horrors of their own making#you can't tell me Ning Yingying. Liu Mingyan. or even Qiu Haitang don't have regrets or guilt about ruining the world#that after years of watching their husband commit atrocities and collecting women. some in a rather horrific manner#that it wouldn't eat away at them or their conscience#as for Luo Binghe is him confronting the monster his become#him confronting the people his hurt and all the suffering his caused innocent people#as well as his true feelings for Shen Jiu and what it was he really wanted from him#they all also get hit in the face about the truth of all the accusations against Shen Jiu#LMY getting confronted by her brother's ghost and the truth about his death#NYY by her martial siblings and her memories of how her shizun really treated her (as a daughter)#QHT by memories of her family and realizing that they weren't the people she thought they were#as well as realizing that Shen Jiu was the real victim all along#LBH is not happy and is miserable and is tortured by the SVSSS verse again#essentially everyone suffers forced character development via psychological horrors
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since i spiraled back down stucky again i was so caught up in a post-winter soldier/post-civil war universe that i completely forgot that endgame existed.
#captain america#bucky barnes#stucky#steve x bucky#marvel#ca:tws#ca:cw#avengers endgame#like i've been deepdiving some fics#and coming across infinity war / endgame fics (fix its) and i'm like WAIT WHAT?????????#and then i'm like 'oh yeah THAT shit storm'#it's just so funny to me that i'm just like completely erasing everything kind of post infinity war#(also: i have forgotten how much i always hated the whole 'everyone lives in avengers tower' universe people were in for so long)#('and they all watched disney movies' WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THEY WOULD NOT DO THAT)#(clint maybe. and probably tony. but no one else.)#(i mean it was such an innocent sweet chaotic time but still hate that whole trope ahahahaha)#anyway it's been fun and i miss them so much
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i love how unfatherly crowley and aziraphale both are when it comes down to it. sure aziraphale is more than willing to give the young people in his life help and advice and be their friend but he and crowley spent six years (eleven in the book) practically raising a kid (you just know his parents weren't around that often) and by the end they didn't even like him. crowley even suggested they just fucking kill him. he turned three kids into lizards for annoying him right after he destroyed their house. like it was that or kill them obviously but he did NOT hesitate with the newts. that's so funny to me. they're just inherently disinclined to parenthood. we need more characters like them actually
#good omens#i think if aziraphale HAD to take care of a baby no choice he would give them some cocoa#and play mozart for them and just kind of let them do their thing in the bookshop. away from the books of course.#like he would make sure they were safe and sheltered and he would be kind to them#but it would really show that he was just imitating fathers he had seen in books#crowley was not meant to raise children. he's a wine aunt plain and simple. he'd love to be called 'auntie crowley'#but he has no friends with kids so he has to be content with his brief stint as nanny.#the demon put a basket with a baby in it in the backseat of his car untethered and let it slide around#from side to side while he drove dangerously. canonically that is something he did#it's also my headcanon that he has some complicated feelings about parenthood and family roles#yknow. when you're technically one of 'god's children' but she cast you and so many of your siblings down to hell for asking questions#when the closest thing you have to a mother made you murder innocent children for a bet.#it can make you hesitant about that sort of thing!
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The fact that people were so willing to completely dismiss what happened in After Pain and Harrow after they saw It's Not My Fault and Deep Cover paint Mu and Kotoko in a worse light really shows that some people don't have literary comprehension 😭
#it's almost as if nuance is a thing and that their pain isn't mutually exclusive from their actions lmao#the fact that some people actually thought Mu was lying about what she went through??? 😭 no tf she didn't the whole point#is that she is both a perpetrator and a victim and her inno verdict in t1 validated her thinking#which is why in t2 she doesn't shy away from not acting completely innocent because she fully believes she didn't do anything wrong#that's why I also didn't understand why people were so quick to dismiss Kotoko's vigilantism and say it was a complete lie#because Harrow shows us that it never really was a lie but rather something that became more and more distorted over time#as well as something Kotoko uses to validate herself because of her self hatred which again Harrow already hinted at lmao#it only got worse in Milgram but the whole point is that Kotoko's ideals which were born out of strong feelings against the evils#of the world became distorted and more selfish over time#idk people just like to reduce them to completely bad people and it annoys tf out of me#deep cover spoilers#milgram#mu kusunoki#kotoko yuzuriha#my posts
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i don't understand all the stuff i've seen recently about women being "terrified" that if they were giving birth their husband would say to save the baby and not them. is that not what you want????? are parents not supposed to want their children to live?????? if you won't die for your own children what the fuck is there to die for
#reminds me of the one weird kid at school who was like If my mom had to choose between saving me or my dad in some situation she'd ALWAYS#pick my dad without hesitation because they're married and you're supposed to love your#spouse more than your children!!!!#and we were like ok our parents love us so they wouldn't do that#i don't get people who insist you're supposed to love your spouse more than your children and show it in some significant way like going ou#on dates instead of saving for children's christmas gifts (real thing i saw) like firstly can't you love your children DIFFERENT? and not#more???? and second your children didn't ask to be born to you so punishing them for that when you voluntarily chose your spouse is kind of#fucked. and thirdly a lot of the time when i see this it's with people who are married to people who are not the bio parent of their kids#so that's even worse and evil to bring an unfamiliar person into your children's lives and then be like lol i love him more that's the#natural order sowey#obviously the idea of a husband you don't fully trust having the ability to make medical decisions for you is kind of bad but also#in an ideal world both mother and father would be on the same page about like..not wanting to sacrifice the life of an innocent child#eg Saint Gianna
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OG Choi Han they could never make me hate you cause if some random rich boy was yelling at me and telling me my family deserved to die like a day after it happened and all I wanted was to know how I could get help I’d beat him up too
This plus the added fact that the Harris Village people were the first people to take Choi Han in and take care of him after years and years in the dark forest. Like he’s obviously not going to be mentally stable after all that, and he was so young when everything happened to him like I cannot blame him at all. I don’t think I can ever hate OG Choi Han like ever, he’s flawed, he has problems, but I love him dearly. He deserves the world. This kid who had to fight for his life, was taken away from his family, and in the process had to give up parts of his own humanity to survive, and like went to war two years later, they could never make me hate u OG Choi Han…
Like yeah violence is bad I guess but OG Cale had it coming(saying this as an OG Cale fan, I love him, but he was mean as hell when he was younger!)
If I’m honest, I think they were both in the wrong to an extent. Like OG Cale shouldn’t have said all that no matter the circumstances, and OG Choi Han shouldn’t have beaten him up so much. But u say mean shit and you get hit, that is how it will work when you’re talking to the guy who just saw his entire village get murdered like idkkkk man
I understand where OG Cale was coming from, but he had many issues and while he wasn’t an awful person, he was capable of doing bad things because of his own internalized pain and emotions that he never got to properly process because of his emotionally distant childhood and relationship with his father who should have been there for him more when he was younger.
Okay speaking of his childhood, Deruth isn’t the WORST father in the world but there are a lot of things he could have done better. I think a lot of Deruth’s flaws come from his fear of failure and messing up. He’s scared of doing the wrong thing, and so he sticks to doing what he knows and using what he knows best. That’s why he uses his money, that’s why gift giving is his way of showing affection, he knows that it is one thing he cannot mess up.
The problem is that money and gifts is NOT what OG Cale needed. I think what that guy needed the most was a parent who wasn’t afraid to talk to him, to ask him questions. Not to say that Deruth gave up on OG Cale, but I think in a way he gave up on OG Cale by giving up on himself. Deruth didn’t trust himself to have the capabilities to talk to OG Cale, which is why he never did. It’s because that Deruth was scared, and didn’t trust himself, that he could never face OG Cale
If Deruth was able to trust himself a little more, and pull himself together, I don’t think OG Cale would have turned out the way he did. As a kid, he probably thought the only way he could help his family without relying on anyone(no doubt this whole ‘I have to do it myself’ thing came from the fact that he couldn’t rely on his father when his mom died, and instead was acting as a pillar of support for his father when it should have been the other way around) was to sabotage himself, the only heir. If he was shown to be unfit to be heir, then everyone else would have no choice but to direct their hatred towards him instead of his family.
If Deruth had talked to his son at least ONCE when he was a kid, asking him why he was upset or why he did the things he did, I think OG Cale would have told him. Why? Because he’s a kid!! A kid will obviously want to rely on his father, if he just had one sign telling him that he didn’t have to do it alone I’m 90% sure OG Cale would have said something.
Basically, while Deruth isn’t the worst father, he’s not really a great father either. I think he does do his best, but he has issues with communication lol
OG Cale and OG Choi Han are both complex characters and had their own reasons to behave the way they did. The thing is with people is that they’re complicated and have layers, so the situation with them would have layers behind it as well with multiple co-existing truths and stuff
#guys I’m a big fan of Choi Han#and I get sad when people bring up this scene and all the blame is on him#like okay he was wrong but if YOU saw your entire family dead and some random rich boy started yelling abt how their lives were worthless#you’d be mad too no?#like his feelinsg were totally justified cause OG Cale was REALLY mean in that scene#‘their lives are worth less than the bottle in my hand’ OHHHHH OKAY OG CALE THATS ENOUGH THATS ENOUGHHHH#I love OG Cale but u have to admit he wasn’t very nice when he was younger#like the statements ‘he had his reasons’ ‘being trash was an act’ ‘he wasn’t a bad person’ ‘but he did say bad things’ can co exist#yes being trash was an act but he is ALSO capable of saying mean things and things that are wrong#LIKE TELLING THE GUY WHO JUST GOT HIS FAMILY MURDERED THAT THEIR LIVES WERE WORTHLESS#HE WAS NOT INNOCENT FOR THAT#Younger OG Cale is not a black and white character#and neither is older OG Cale but this post isn’t abt him#okay I’m gonna bring up someone who isn’t from TCF#but take Eunyung Baek from no home as an example okay#eunyung did bad things and was a bad person because of his childhood right#the reasons to being a bad person do not take away the bad things he did#but just cause he did bad things and was capable of them did not mean he could not change#I love OG Cale a LOT and I just think that his character has a lot behind it#Older OG Cale is obviously very different from his younger self#years and years of war and tragedy have matured him and like he’s not the same person he was anymore#okay back to Choi Han I love that guy I will defend him with my life#beating up people is wrong yeah but with the circumstances I’d say OG Cale had it coming#like okay it would be different if it was unprovoked but it was very much provoked#I swear I love OG Cale I just think he was very wrong for that#not to say he can’t change or isn’t capable of change he definitely is#idk I guess my point is that OG Cale was wrong but he changed as a person#and OG Choi Han was wrong for beating him up so much but it wasn’t unjustifiable#tcf#lcf
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More elaboration on ep6, from this post
So I do think imma split ep6 into 2 parts. Jsut because I do want to go more into detail about heaven and sera
Cause it's clear Sera doesn't LIKE doing the extermination, but thinks it's necessary. I also wanna add some stuff into the trial
Lute asks why angle didn't get here in heaven, and charlie says that 'because he DID committed sins. I'm not denying that- but he's TRYING he's getting better- he's not perfect, but he's trying the best he can, and he deserves a second shot."
I wanna add in them challenging chalries pov more, cause I do think there are flaws in it, like. Not ever sinner should be redeemed. Not every sinner wants to be redeemed. And there are vile souls down in hell
Like, I'm sure not all are evil, and some are down there for small sins or, like, killing someone in self-defense. But there are absolutely vile people like Valentino down there that shouldn't be redeemed
And I also kidna wanna make that part of charlies character arc, realizing not everybody SHOULD be redeemed. Not everybody deserves a second chance.
And I wanna like, explore that more in the trial, it want it to focus on back and forths. And then when Sera is starting to seriously consider that 'hey, maybe this could work, we could try and examine souls again' Lute and Adam try to rig it in their favor
Exposing Vaggie, but at the same time what they did, helping Charlies point. And then exposing EMILY when that fails
And oh boy, is that a shit show! I think Sera would be too in shock to really do anything in the moment, and I do think Adam would kinda take advantage of that, like 'those people corrupted your sister and made her fall can we kill them? Pleaseeeee'
And I think he'd spat out a 'fine' just so he leaves her a lone to process it all. She 100% regrets giving him an okay later once she's processed it all, but it's too late by that point
Side note; a theory I have is that she was fed false information, maybe by Adam maybe by lillith, that Hell was planning an uprising. We'll, I have to see
#hazbin hotel#hazbin hotel au#hazbin hotel emily#hazbin hotel charlie#hazbin hotel vaggie#hazbin hotel adam#hazbin hotel lute#hazbin hotel sera#hazbins fallen au#i love sera as an older sister#i do love the angst potential betwen her and Emily and sometimes like to make her the 'bad guy' in aus caus eof it#but in all hoenstly seras just an older sister trying to run heaven and keeps its people. including her little sister. safe#it is CLEAR she doesnt like doing the exterminations from what we've seen of her. but allows them out of her duty to protect heaven/its peo#i also dont really blame her for doing it i mean. if sinners were supposedly uprising and tyring to destroy heaven wouldnt you do the same?#i mean. most people in hell are probably rapists. abusers. people who did things to KIDS#im sure there are some innocent people. people who killed in self-defense or stole to feed themselves and their families in hell#But I understand where shes coming from. Cause even if there are good people who did bad things in hell#the bad people who did horrible things still outweigh them
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