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zettaireido-emotion · 19 days ago
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Camus character analysis: games VS anime
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If you finished the Uta no Prince-sama anime and your opinion of this man is "wow, he's kinda terrible," I don't blame you. in fact I've seen a lot of people say this
In this post, I want to talk about his characterization in the games and give my two cents on what the anime was trying to do with him, especially in his single focus episode Saintly Territory (S3E6).
Disclaimer: I wrote this on a whim because I'm sick and stuck at home so if anyone reads this, sorry I might go all over the place
Spoilers for all of the games!
The "be my slave" thing
Starting with Anime Camus's most egregious crime: treating Haruka like a servant/slave (however you want to translate it)
Basically in his focus episode, Haruka is tasked with writing a song for Camus. She wants to learn more about him in order to write it, but Camus will only let her follow him if she acts as his servant. She accepts without complaining, Cecil is rightfully angry, Haruka continues anyway and the song gets completed.
Now, am I about to say that Game Camus would never do this? No because he literally does lmao.
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The anime doesn't pull this "servant" plotline out of nowhere, here's the context in his route:
Haruka accidentally overhears Camus talking about a plot to assassinate Saotome on the phone. When he notices that she heard everything, he basically tells her that he has to kill her now. But if she served him, he'd be able to keep an eye on her, make sure she doesn't leak anything, so she could escape death.
Okay uh "work under me or DIE" isn't exactly better, nor is it a good start to a love story, but I'm not finished!!
(A side note: I have to add that the anime made him look like an even bigger asshole and borderline dumb when it came to the things he made her do. Like he expected her to know that snapping your fingers means you want coffee without prior explanation. bro
^This might have been for comedic effect but I promise he can be actually funny and endearing.)
What the anime couldn't cover
The Camus episode wraps up with Haruka pulling through and writing a song that makes Camus "sincere," he says it's cool at the very end and that's the episode. I think the problem is that we technically didn't see him being sincere or what that even means to him, besides when he was singing (banger song btw)
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It's a shame because in a 20-minute episode you really can't show the game experience of slowly piecing together what this man's problem is.
First of all, in Debut and AS you'll be quick to notice that he always has homeland and duty on the mind, constantly reminding himself that he's in Shining Agency/Japan for a reason, and it's NOT to have fun or make friends
The truth is, he slowly starts to appreciate the banter with his colleagues, music, and working there in general.
But because of his initial mindset, he has to rationalize & justify every connection he forms, like "it's just for work" or worse: "actually it was ALL A LIE and I NEVER ENJOYED A SECOND OF THE TIME WE SPENT TOGETHER, I'm such a great actor haha"
He uses that to fool himself and to push the other person away so it doesn't happen again. This scene is probably the best example:
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(I'll be using google lens because it's faster but I checked that the tls were okay)
He also does this in the Non-Fiction drama, which may or may not have actually happened, but I think it's still a pretty good reflection of what could happen in reality because he tells Ranmaru their bond was a lie, then mopes around in his guilt thinking about the good times and wondering why he's sad, and THEN later doubles down on the "it was a lie, I don't care about you" because he just can't let himself get attached to anything.
Basically, he's terrified at the thought of forming actual bonds because he genuinely thinks he's nothing if he stops being a cold weapon:
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At one point he does admit he sucks (as a love interest)-
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-which is pretty huge by utapri standards. I love these games, but the amount of times where a male lead does something icky, and everyone, including Haruka, acts like it's normal or like it's Haruka's fault is ehhh but I digress
Upbringing
Of course he's very proud of his homeland and status, but sometimes it's to the point of thinking he can't be anything other than his title. So why is he like this?
We got to hear about his childhood from Camus himself a few times, and it often ended with Haruka thinking "wait? that's kinda messed up?" and Camus insisting it's nothing/it's normal so yeah that's something...
His parents were in an unhappy arranged marriage, and his mother was forced to birth an heir which traumatized her so much that she can't see Camus without falling ill. Overall it's a pretty tragic situation since what happened to her was horrible, though not Camus's fault either. Even now she refuses to see him, and I wouldn't say that makes him sad because he never really met her, but simply knowing of her sacrifice probably adds a lot of pressure. As in, he only exists for this one purpose (inheriting his father's title and serving the country), so if he doesn't play his part correctly, it would have all been for nothing.
He was raised by his father not as a child or son but as the heir, always treated and judged as an adult (even during physical training apparently, make of that what you will)
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When Haruka asks about childhood memories he has a very hard time finding something that doesn't have to do with his duties or the nation. And then admits he didn't truly have a "childhood" since he was never treated like a child
As for the queen, I think his love for her is sincere: she taught him a lot of things growing up, and according to him, she's also a victim trapped by her duties so he wants to ease the burden.
So hypothetically, if he found things or people that made him happy in Japan, he would feel obligated to lock them away because that happiness is incompatible with his life: he'll have to leave when his mission ends, he shouldn't be spending time on things that aren't "useful" as he doesn't have the free will to pursue them
In his mind he's completely tied down by the fact that he was born and raised for a single reason, and the fact that he does want to serve the queen.
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(This is Saotome describing him btw)
Also it might sound ridiculous to bring his self-worth into question because of how pretentious he is, but I've counted a few situations where he seemed to have complete disregard for his own life, only worrying about Haruka and Cecil's safety in scenes when they were present. And he thinks wanting to be loved unconditionally is a childish thought he shouldn't have.
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"Double Face" was a lie. There's like at least 10 layers
On the surface he does have two personas, his perfect polite butler act for the media, and his cold bitchy attitude off camera. But honestly, even when he's not acting as a butler, he's often putting up a front to hide any form of vulnerability (from himself as well)
His main struggle is finding who he is outside of what he's being told to do. Before, he never actually stopped to think about what he WANTS because it just never occurs to him, or if it does he ignores it.
That's why realizing that he has his own desires is essential to his character development, and him staying with Quartet Night (and Haruka in his routes) is so important. It's why Reiji feels the need to reach out and when he does, Camus either freezes up or tears up;
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This all makes him the opposite of Ranmaru (being true to yourself and sincere), and similar to Ai (gradually learning to view the world in a less cold and logical way), but I kind of want to save that for another post lmao
He is especially hard on Cecil because Cecil says & does whatever he wants, and everything still works out for him, which is a way of life that Camus can't imagine for himself at all (despite maybe wanting it?)
That he can realize this and eventually admit out loud, despite all his pride, is also one of my favorite things about him
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Season 2 does hint at something, so that's pretty cool!
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Side note, I really love that his theme in the new Oracle series is "Change," the melting of ice.
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So what was the anime supposed to do??
Of course there's no way to show all this in a single episode or even during the runtime of the anime, and I never expected them to because the story is very surface-level (that goes for all characters).
It's just unfortunate since the anime is the most accessible and well-known utapri media in the western fandom, and the character's main episode is bound to leave the biggest impression.
I understand the choice of being laser-focused on the servant plotline, it's supposed to be funny (?) and waters him down to a trope that's easy to understand at first glance (the step-on-me guy I guess)
Still, I can't help but compare it to Ranmaru's episode, who was also hard to work with in the games but was chill in S3E7 and got to pet cats. Anime onlys will never know how much Camus loves to dote on his dog smh.....
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grandlinedreams · 1 year ago
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[heads up!: cursing, brief mention of implied abuse (not from Zoro)]
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“Just shut up, damn it! Go find someone else to pester instead of bugging me!”
He doesn’t mean it. The moment the words slip from his lips, he knows he’s going to regret it – especially since it’s born out of irritation over something that’s far from your fault. Training had not been going the way he wanted. Most recent injuries still healing, the stubborn, persistent ache of his body had steadily pushed him into a darker and darker mood.
And then you had come up to ask him a question – if he’d wanted something to drink, something to eat – and then the question that’d tipped him over the edge. “Shouldn’t you be resting instead of trying to train? I don’t think it’d be good for you to reopen something…”
And he’d snapped, eye blazing with fury as he jerked his arm out of your reach. 
You freeze, arm dropping back to your side. He expects you to lash out, fire back – you know how to hold your ground, and he’s been a front-row witness to how sharp of a tongue you have when you’re (rightfully) pissed. 
But you don’t. 
Instead, your expression goes blank and you turn, slipping back down from the observation deck. In the absence of words, the hard click of your descent offers a finality that makes a chill slide down his spine.
He knows he should apologize, but pride is a difficult thing to swallow – especially when he knows he’s at fault for this. So he stays put, shoving down guilt in favor of resuming his training and pointedly ignoring the protest of his bandaged wounds. 
By the time he comes down for dinner, Zoro is in a far better mood than he’d started with – he’s finally managed to get where he wants to with training, and his injuries have eased from persistent ache to a dull throb that he can tune out. 
Entering the dining room and spotting you in your usual seat with the standard empty one beside you for him, he moves to take his seat – only to watch as you get to your feet and leave the table entirely. 
“Where are you going? Are you feeling okay?” Nami’s the one to ask, just as confused by your abrupt behavior as Zoro is. 
“I’m fine,” you answer, turning to give the navigator a reassuring smile. “Just remembered I wanted to watch the sunset, that’s all.”
 Zoro watches you go, wondering if he’s forgotten some agreement the two of you’d made beforehand – and turns to find Nami staring at him. He frowns, already on the defensive. “What?”
“What did you do now?” Her tone is accusing, her eyes narrowing as Zoro’s temper flares once more.
“Why are you assuming I did something?” 
Nami folds her arms across her chest, raising an eyebrow. “Because you’re not the most perceptive person around when it comes to anything but fighting,” she points out and he bristles, even though he knows she’s right. “Think, Zoro. I’m sure you should apologize for something.”
“No, I–” He halts. He does have something to apologize for, doesn’t he – how he’d yelled at you, the look you’d given him before turning and leaving. It’s clear that you’re still upset about that, and while he doesn’t blame you, like hell he’s going to admit that he did do something to Nami or anyone else. “Whatever. I’m leaving too.”
He gets to his feet and moves in the direction you’d gone, ignoring the mutter of what sounds suspiciously like “idiot” from behind him in favor of searching for you. True to your word, you’re up towards the bow of the Sunny, arms folded on the railing as you stare out at the ocean. 
Apologize. It's easy, in theory ㅡ to say "I'm sorry" and wait for you to respond if you forgive him or not. And yet he can't quite shape the words, settling for the next best thing.
Pretending nothing happened.
"Dinner's gonna go cold," he says as he approaches, and he doesn't miss the way you stiffen at the sound of his voice, but otherwise ignore him. "Want me to bring it out to you?" You don’t answer, and he can’t help the flare of frustration. Are you really going to ignore him like this? “Not talking to me now?"
Your hands curl against the railing. You've been trying your best not to think about earlier, the unpleasant memories it'd unearthed ㅡ and the fact that Zoro wants you to pretend like nothing happened only furthers the sour taste in your mouth.
'He isn't like that,' you tell yourself firmly. He has a hair-trigger temper that sparks over some of the dumbest things from time to time (especially where Sanji is involved), but it fizzles out quickly. 
But you know the consequences of anger behind closed doors, away from prying eyes and ears ㅡ fingers brush your shoulder and adrenaline floods your veins, ripping you out of your unpleasant reverie as you jerk away, fixing Zoro with wide, frightened eyes. “Don’t touch me!”
Your voice isn’t loud enough to be heard by anyone else, but it still startles Zoro all the same – for the vehemence in your tone and the look that you’re giving him, like you’re afraid of him, that he’s going to – realization hits him harder than any enemy ever could.
Oh. Shit.
Of course you’d reacted the way you had earlier when he yelled at you, jerked so harshly away from you, arm raised as though he – he feels sick. How could he have forgotten? He knows he’d never do that to you, would never dream of it – but it hardly matters when he’d offered a blow of a different kind, just as devastating. 
Apologize. He isn't even sure if that’ll fix the damage done now, but he can’t stand the idea of you being afraid of him. Shrinking at his voice, flinching any time he moves near you – he takes a step towards where you’re crouched now, trying to calm the panicked rhythm of your breathing.
“I’m sorry,” he says, and though he wants to touch you, he resists. “I shouldn’t have yelled at you earlier. It wasn’t anything you did, I was in a bad mood and…that’s no excuse to raise my voice at you.”
You’re shaking. It’s minute, but he can still see the tremble of your limbs and it only drives the knife deeper, knowing he’s the one to blame for this – and then you’re lurching towards him, a choked yelp coming from him as he struggles to steady both of you. “Hey–”
“Idiot,” you whisper, hiding your face against his shoulder. “You’re an absolute moron, Roronoa Zoro.” 
“I know.” Tentatively, he brings a hand up, cups the back of your head. “But I’m your moron, right? Your favorite idiot?” 
Your hands fist into his shirt. “Unfortunately, yeah.” He hums, adjusting to hold you closer as your breathing slows into a steadier cadence. “Zoro. I don’t want you to think this means I’ve forgiven you.” You can feel him still against you, and you lift your face from his shoulder to look at him properly. “The next time you raise your voice at me like that–”
“There won’t be a next time,” he tells you firmly, conviction clear in his tone. “It won’t happen again.” 
“Promise?”
His hand drifts from your hair to cup your cheek, relieved that you lean into his touch now. “I promise.”
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brucewaynehater101 · 7 months ago
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i'm gonna be real idk if your the right person to go for young justice core four headcanons but you give the best replies by far so heres my own idea idea
I was listening to the Roblox Soundfont remix and now the og Gone Angels and now I'm thinking . . .
Tim became Robin to prevent Batman from ceasing to be the symbol of heroism and good he started off as
The symbol that spiraled into destruction of even the self with Jason Todd's death
imagine a world where Red Robin becomes the very thing he swore to destroy with his own death
he dies along with Bart and Kon. Cassie due to this and maybe other factors fucking looses it, Batman post-Jason's death but pre-Tim becoming Robin style
or maybe instead he dies but the rest of the core four lives. either way Cassie still looses it, by herself or with her other teammates
And maybe, just maybe, they get nobody to be the Third Robin to their Batman, no Third Robin to Tim's Second Robin
likely improbably in canon but the idea of Cassie and maybe even Bart and Kon having a villain arc (maybe Black Silence style) is too good of an idea not to share
(Side note; imagine a Gone Angels cover where the survivor(s) sing and for the itallian lyrics in the midway point the deceased sing)
((extra side note: imagine this is what gets Batman and maybe the other Bats to reflect on the time before and after Tim become robin, post Jason's death; seeing their history repeat with Young Justice))
((hell maybe the Justice League realizes as wells))
"you give the best replies by far." Thank you. Sometimes, it takes a bit to reply to asks cause I'm taking a few hours to really answer the prompts/ideas/questions people pose. I also sleep at random times, so apologizes in advance to any asks that take a while!
My image of YJ is a codependent platonic polycule. They are Young Just Us because they didn't receive proper support from their mentors. This is part of why Cassie and Tim fell apart after Kon and Bart died. This is why, in their own weird ways, both of them tried to get a form of Kon back. Tim tried the scientist cloning avenue, and Cassie tried the cult.
If you want Tim's death to inspire Cassie and YJ to go evil, might I suggest Tim sending proof of Bruce being alive in the timestream and then succumbing to his spleen injury (perhaps an infection)? This would create a delicious amount of angst, anger, and mental breakdowns.
Cassie, the only nonretired YJ member alive at the time, didn't believe Tim about Bruce being alive. This was in part due to the cloning stuff but also in part to trusting Nightwing (or Batman at the time). If Tim didn't make it out of that alive, Cassie may be desperate to find anyone to blame but herself for that. She was a kid, she was lost in her own grief, and Tim should have had the support of literally any other hero.
The entire hero community turned against a teenager in his time of need that he resorted to conspiring with the LoA and ended up losing his life. Whether she chooses to be mad about nobody believing him (Tim's possibly a better detective than Bruce and people have revived before, but his evidence at the time was flimsy), she can be very pissed that not a single hero offered to help him. They didn't even need to trust in Tim's decision. They could have just accompanied Tim until the teen gave up or proved himself right. They could have treated it as a grief road trip while Tim found himself.
Anyways, losing the last nonretired YJ member that way may cause her to just snap. The JL was already on thin ice with the YJ for their lack of support to her generation of heroes. Them failing YJ enough that two children died in the field and one died as a direct result of their actions? She would, rightfully, loathe the JL. On top of that, she does already not trust the government for what they did to Secret. If she can't prosecute the JL, she'll become their enemy.
Cassie lost all of her main polycule. She wants revenge.
After Bart and Kon come back, they see how JL left Cassie and what they did to Tim. Cassie is part of their ride or die, and she has been treated so horribly. Tim has died. They obviously join her.
Now, with Bart there to give evil ideas (Bart is the scariest member of YJ and you can't convince me otherwise), YJ is a force to be reckoned with. Maybe some of the other members come out of retirement, maybe not. They would be unstoppable with Tim helping them, but that's the problem. They don't have Tim. Tim isn't there to help them nor hold them back. That's why they became "evil" anyway.
I like to imagine someone, probably Nightwing, screaming at them from across the battlefield. "This isn't what he would have wanted! He became Robin to stop Batman from destroying everything. This is the antithesis of why he became a hero!"
For a split second, YJ would pause. There's merit in those words, after all. Cassie would recover first as she shakes her head. "He became a hero to be the leash to Batman's rage. He's not here now. He's not here to temper our rage, and you did that. You abandoned a child." She plants her feet more firmly and points her sword at Nightwing. "We won't let you do that again."
It's dealers choice on whether YJ win the battle or not. Also, I do believe YJ would be obsessed with trying to bring Tim back. Perhaps some of their evil deeds truly stem from them trying to find ways to bring back Tim. They are incomplete without him just as they were incomplete without Kon or Bart and would be without Cassie.
Now, is Tim actually alive or does he stay dead? Did Ra's revive him using the Pit? Did Ra's lie or misguide the Bats while keeping Tim hostage? Will Tim come back, either after being brainwashed by Ra's or escaping, to find his platonic polycule has officially lost it and turned evil?
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alwayshere195 · 3 months ago
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I wish we got Diego and Five in the timeline subway instead of Lila and Five. The deep desire for us getting the same premise but with a different execution.
Imagine Diego going and asking why Five can't blink only to end up in the subway with him. Five reluctantly, explaining everything he knows. Something Diego isn't fully comprehending but understands.
The silly idea of Diego coming up with the timeline travel and getting stuck in the subway with Five. The possibilities of their interactions.
The idea of Apocalypse Five shooting at them, causing Diego to ask who's that. "Me, of course, who else was in the apocalypses?!" Five responds, heading back down into the subway. Diego follows, "Well, sorrrry! I thought you had better aim than that!" Five shoots him a look.
The idea of when they realized they're trapped, we hear dialog. Diego shouting that this is EXACTLY what Five wanted. Klaus was right! He is a chaos junkie!
Five, throwing his hands up: I don't know why everyone says that! I'm not. This isn't what I wanted.
Diego: You appear in your element!
Five: Of course I do! This is all I know, Diego! I got stuck in an apocalypse at 13! 13! I was trapped for 45 years in it! Besides living in it, need I remind that I witnessed it again and again and again?! But that doesn't mean I want it!
Diego: Then what do you want? Because (mocking) Need I remind, you went off to join the CIA. You barely kept in contact for the past 6 years. You-
Five: I want peace! I want silence! I want to not worry about you idiots! I want... Forget it. Let's keep looking to get out of here.
How it finally pushes these two to talk. Their relationship has been rocky but there's always trust between them. Plus, Five doesn't really open up. So for the day to come where Diego once again pushes Fives buttons but the correct ones this time to get a
Five: I'm tired, ok? I have seen you all die again and again and again. I'm tired. I tried time traveling, I tried talking, I tried murder, I've tried, and it all keeps going to hell. There's only so much before it feels impossible or that I'm the problem. Sure, Viktor caused the first three apocalypse but not those after that. Not all this (refering to the subway). Only I could come here...
Diego, sighing after hearing all this for the first time: Yeah, you are a problem. A problematic piece of shit like the rest of us. And for holding all this in like a secret to take to the grave. But you're not to blame for everything. If anyone's to blame, it's Dad.
How they grow closer and Diego realizes just how tired Five is. He's exhausted and barely holding on. It doesn't help that no one in the family ever truly thanked him. So he does. Gives Five a genuine "Thanks by the way. For spending 45 years and some figuring out how to save us. I appreciate it. I like being alive." And how Five gets quiet as thats all he ever truly wanted. A thank you.
How Diego opens up about his relationship issues and how his rants turn into frustration about it all. Him voicing how he'd LOVE "bookclub" because FUCK MAN he needs a "bookclub" too! He'd be in full support! And he wished she was more vocal about things like he is instead of playing the guessing game. And how it turns into all the things he wants to do when he sees her again. Tell her everything. Open up. Hold her. Kiss her. Be in the same love he always really had for her. Fives there supporting him.
Five finds the journal and ponders it. Keeps the information hidden from Diego for a day or two before he's caught reading it. Diego's rightfully upset but Five brings up points.
Five: I was reading it. Making sure I understood what to do before we had a talk.
Diego: A talk? What is there to talk about?
Five: What if it went to shit out there and everyone's died? What if-
Diego: No, Five. There is no ifs here. We're going back and we're going to see how things are. Worst case scenario, we go back in time and save their lousy asses. Together. Best case scenario, we see our family again. I get to see Lila and my kids again.
Five: Right...
They go back and they find out that Luther and Lila ended up going to the CIA because "My husband always talks about this place, and my brother-in-law works here. So maybe there's information." And it makes Diego's hesrt flutter.
Just... what we could have had.
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saltywinteradult · 8 months ago
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“Why are Alicent's choices only Feminist and Radical when they benefit Rhaenyra?” because that’s the point of the show! It’s about a woman taking back what’s rightfully her’s, Rhaenyra wasn’t “forced” to turn on Alicent, no one forced her to seize her throne. Alicent on the other hand was forced and manipulated into everything she does that goes against Rhaenyra:
Otto scared her into thinking Rhaenyra would kill her siblings, nothing has ever suggested she would. We know deep down Alicent knows Nyra won’t kill them because in 1x08 she tells her she’ll make a good Queen, you don’t say that if you seriously think your kids and grandkids will be put to death.
She misheard Viserys, if it wasn’t for this misunderstanding Alicent would be Team Rhaenyra.
Alicent may be shown as Rhaenyra’s adversary in the posters but the reality is Otto’s the de facto leader of Team Green. He’s the one who planned the coup with the rest of the men, leaving Alicent in the dark because he knows where her heart truly lies.
I can believe Rhaenyra would have children with Harwin no matter who she’s married to, what I can’t believe is that Alicent would have children if she had a genuine say in the matter. That’s why it’s feminist and radical for Alicent to choose love over duty, because she’s finally putting herself first!
This post explains this perfectly: tumblr(.)com/rhaenicentdaily/746232908284559360/i-actually-agree-with-the-confession-of
(In reference to this post)
Oh, honey, no. This is not a story about a woman taking what's "rightfully hers". Did Rhaenyra have the legal right to the throne? Arguably, but it doesn't matter because the entire system of feudal hereditary monarchy, which Rhaenyra has every intention of upholding, is bad and should not exist, and that's largely the point of the Dance. Having a woman sit on the Iron Throne is not going to make a damn bit of difference for the thousands of people who died in the war to put her there.
If Rhaenyra intended to make any systemic changes, she would advocate for absolute primogeniture, like for Baela to inherit Driftmark - but she doesn't. She advocates for her son, who is a bastard and has no inheritance rights, to inherit it because all Rhaenyra is doing is fighting to put herself and her children in power. She's being every bit as selfish and power hungry as the Greens, and from a storytelling perspective there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. As far as I'm concerned that makes her a far more interesting character than flattening her into a cookie-cutter heroine does, so I don't know why her stans insist on doing just that. Rhaenyra is a war criminal, same as her husband and, yes, her brothers. The fact that she says Aemond should be "sharply questioned", which is just a nicer way of saying "tortured", for simply speaking the truth is all the proof Alicent needs to know that Rhaenyra is absolutely willing to hurt her siblings if it benefits her. Like it or not, Otto is completely right about that. Rhaenyra's not the Feminist Girlboss Hero you think she is, so it's no more feminist for Alicent to choose her than to choose the children she loves just as much.
And for the record, you can't use what-ifs to justify misunderstanding Alicent's canon character and actions. It doesn't matter whether or not Alicent would've chosen to have her kids. They exist and she loves them despite not having chosen to have them, and she is fighting tooth and nail to keep them safe because she loves them. It doesn't matter if she misheard Viserys - she already has very good reasons to advocate for Aegon over Rhaenyra. Otto may be a scheming, power-hungry asshole and the main orchestrator of the events that lead to the Dance (though the largest blame falls on Viserys) but Alicent is the figurehead of the Greens and as I've already explained, in my opinion that's the right choice for this story.
Since you're clearly not considering any of the arguments I've laid out to support my opinion, nonny dearest, I request that you stop sending me these asks. I'm not going to be reading or answering any more of them.
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thesunfyre4446 · 7 months ago
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Yo. New to the HoTD discourse. I hope you don't mind me rant dumping on your blog. I'm a bit scatterbrained so I hope I lay out my feelings about these things clearly. I have finally watched HoTD and ....
Listen, I could have liked Rhaenyra well enough, in fact I didn't really mind her in the beginning. But it really all changed once I saw what the audience were saying. How the majority seems to have no sympathy for Allicent at all.
I thought we all understood that no character in Westeros is really all that great?? So I really cant understand the vile hatred spewed towards her? It feels like they even hate her more than anyone ever hated Joffrey or Cersei. People were rightfully angry with the show runners decision to have Jaime r*** her in that one scene. People were capable of feeling empathy for Cersei despite how despicable she is. But there's SOOO much victim blaming for Alicent. It drives me fucking nuts. And to show sympathy for her would have people dogging on you.
I really cannot believe my eyes when I see people thinking she willingly seduced that rotten walking corpse.
I was so naive to think people would understand where her character is coming from. She is utterly powerless. She doesn't have a king for a father to pardon every mistake she makes. She's suffocating and it makes sense for her to hate Rhaenyra who has more privilege than any woman who ever lived in that world, and yet still step over every single rule while expecting everyone else to just live with the consequences of her actions. We're supposed to like her??
I GET that the point of it all is that monarchy is just a shitty way to run a kingdom. I GET that Rhaenyra being a terrible ruler is the point. Man or woman it never mattered.
What I don't get is people thinking she's some feminist figurehead?? She behaves as a man does in that universe, entitled and unfit for what they feel entitled to. I get that that's the point, but that doesn't mean she's for the women at all. Like any man, she's out for herself. Why would I like her if she behaves as any corrupt man in that world would, when the only difference is she doesn't have a dick? And I wouldn't necessarily mind that? I don't watch HoTD or GoT for perfect characters. But if only the audience didn't treat her like some sort of hero and Alicent the pure villain.
I never felt frustrated with GoT discourse. Why the fuck does it seem like HoTD has bred this extremely toxic environment? You can't seem to have a different opinion unless your mouths dick sucking on Team Black.
Dany, just as entitled as she was, she was still able to do as duty demanded. Rhaenyra is a just a spoiled child all the way through. The hatred for Alicent and the inability for people to see Rhaenyra for what she is, has me thinking people have really missed the fucking point about what feminism actually is. And once again, I didnt watch HoTD for feminism. But the audience seems to think Rhaenyra is a beacon for it. Wether intentional or not, ideas take on a life of its own and you cannot divorce these fan-imposed ideas from the show anymore. That's really the part of all this that pisses me off.
I'm TG now not because I condone everything they've ever done. Literally everyone fucking sucks. I'm TG because I understand everyone fucking sucks. And I dislike being tube fed by the biased writers on what to think and feel.
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anon, not a single lie was told.
people hate on alicent for displaying human emotions. it's insane. it's always "rhaenyra will turn westeros into barbieland" until someone brings out the fact that she has no intention of helping any other woman other then herself and then it's all "well, we shouldn't judge her from a modern day pov"..
"I'm TG because I understand everyone fucking sucks" this!! also, they have better characters lol
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balkanradfem · 1 month ago
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To the other anon, I want to add that yes, you balkanradfem interpreted correct, I did not mean that no one should date bi women at all! And I do not mean to blime all of them either. I was trying to express that though for me as a woman, it was more painful when the man was chosen over me. When another woman is chosen over me, it feels different. Because you can't help but compare how is that other person better, if you still have a crush on the choosing party. And comparing myself with men is something I do not want to be doing. Also there are some things I can't compare with men at all, living in patriarchal society. I mean, hell, in my case women are banned from certain jobs and from studying certain things, men are treated completely different, like little princes. For sure I would be salty when my crush digs out another dude, whom she plans to dress up, clean up, teach manners and conversation skills (it sounds like i mock, but many women , most women in my area indeed re-parent men , it's how they see it, and do everything their mother did before, to a point where for 25 men his mom is washing and folding his socks and underwear and gf takes over it later), and work on building his career, so that she can push him to apply for work visa in wealthy western country, and go after as wife. I am quite understanding, that in such case, the woman indeed might chose this path over just marrying a girl. Even if I had chance in that same career as picked up husband, there are few women in that field, to get yourself promoted is very hard, and on top of it - two women can't marry where I live, and even if it's possible if you apply to western country court, provide major proof that you were really dating for long time and it's a visa scam, with photo and testimonies etc - even in that case, not all country where you might want to relocate will accept your partner being same sex. So with that in mind, as I am quite material person and I understand that women and men count such things first and foremost (or maybe it's simply my culture that material things are accounted in, because some 30 years ago you needed to try hard not to starve) -- with all that in mind, I understand, that woman need to have a very strong conviction to stay with me! In homophobic country, always hiding, not sure if relatives accept it, not sure if there are more laws disallowing you even speak about yourself etc, - in all honestly why would a woman choose it? When the path to be with man is so open and beneficial to her, and the system is specifically made that way? It's not that I blame women, maybe if I could tolerate men, I would make same choice. But I also think that many women here on tumblr, while rightfully being upset someone says bad words about bi women, also do not have an idea in mind how it is in places where het relationship gets you a lot of rights, and lesbian relationship makes you punished and in danger. You really need to have really strong mind and strong conviction of WHY exactly you are doing that, otherwise you just would not be able to withstand the stress, the social isolation, the pressure, etc. By my culture I also think people are malluable (both genders) and can be guided to certain things if want to avoid stress and suffering, it's not their fault.
Oh anon this was painful to read, not only are you forced to compare yourself to m*n but also you look from the womens point of view and try and understand why she made that choice! It's devastating for you to be exposed to that, even when all of the stuff you can't provide or do is just due to misogyny and oppression, none of your fault, nothing you can quickly change or even influence. And for that to be the reason for you to not be chosen by a woman! I'm crying for you. Nobody should be forced to feel like this.
I can also understand that when survival and possibility of starving is at stake, we humans turn off morality, we suppress our emotions and just do whatever to get to safety, security, food. We need to be comfortable in our survival before we can folllow morals and desires. But then also for me as a lesbian life with a male feels like worse than dying, and I don't know if other lesbians relate, but I can guess that for women with attraction to males, this would feel different, and on top of that societal pressure would play a role too, and make us look like a worse option. But is it then on us to prove that we're not?? No. If others cannot fathom our value in joint life may they live in ignorance.
I remember as a much younger lesbian I struggled with that comparison; I would look at a woman and think 'but what can I give her that would make me comparable' and give up instantly, feeling unworthy and unlovable in comparison to males. That was before I discovered radical feminism and the facts that they're statistically the biggest danger to have in your home, that they engage in manipulation, labour extraction, and covert rape consistently and don't view women as human, I felt superior since. But again, if you are a woman who is not as informed, traumatized by starvation, and just looking for material safety, swayed by societal pressure, I understand that the world is a bad place for you and you just go for lesser evil you can tolerate. But does this mean you have to hurt a lesbian in the process??? No.
I do feel like a certain amount of dishonesty and ignorance of lesbian experiences is necessary in order to cause such pain and make lesbians compare themselves and feel inferior. If everyone was honest, we would not indulge with women we know to value male benefits better. We can offer equality, emotional fulfillment, intimacy, pleasure, share everything equally instead of extracting labour, bonding over same life experience and oppression, understanding of their bodies and their feelings of them, and we often work twice as hard to keep our beloved safe and sound, and not because we think she's our property. We're twice as intelligent, logical, resourceful, thoughtful, careful, considerate and kind, we are complex, sharp and quick to follow her mind, we're social, inclined to think of future for everyone and not just us. We don't ask to be parented. We have everything males could not ever hope to grasp and yet because they have violence, they get to hoard icome and resources and laws to their benefit to lure women into becoming domestic servants.
It's insulting to us! We could be incredible and magical and they can hold a threat of starvation over womens heads and suddenly we're not worth choosing. It's a lie, a scam, trickery, injustice, pyramid scheme, conspiration, deceit, psychological violence.
Anon you are worth choosing every time and don't let them fool you into thinking their systems are normal. And you are right to speak out, everyone should know how devastating this is, and to not do it to us. I had experiences where I felt this and was too scared to speak out, to not make anyone feel bad. But we feel bad and we should say it!! And it is fair for us too, to want to avoid stress and suffering, and choose only those who understand where we're coming from and value us first, like we value them first as well.
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amtrak12 · 4 months ago
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Sooooooo much fucking drama in women's artistic gymnastics right now.
I don't know why everyone is yelling at Nadia Comaneci like she's personally responsible for every nasty, racist thing being shouted at Jordan. She (rightfully) pointed out the floor judging was a bit fucked all the way around and that one of the Romanian gymnasts should've gotten Bronze. She never once said anything about Jordan afaik?
I DEFINITELY don't know why Will Graves of AP news is vague tweeting about Nadia and blaming her. Like WTF dude, aren't you a professional journalist????
This appeals court decision to STRIP Jordan of her bronze medal WHEN LITERALLY NOT EVEN ROMANIA WAS ARGUING FOR THAT is so fucked OMG
If it's so easy to prove Jordan's score inquiry was made 4 seconds too late THEN WHY THE FUCK DID THE JUDGES EVER ACCEPT IT IN THE FIRST PLACE?
I cannot fucking believe Voinea's coaches didn't inquire about the neutral deduction at the time. Did they really think she went OOB too or did they not realize you can inquire NDs? (Which if true is :S Literally half your job is to know the current code and rules???)
(Though by all accounts Voinea has been racist af online since EF so I'm not mad that her complaint was completely dismissed.)
Ana Barbosu has publicly handled this heartbreaking mess with grace and sportsmanship (and her routine is my favorite of the three in question), so I'm very happy if FIG does indeed award her a Bronze medal -- BUT THAT'S A SHARED BRONZE MEDAL, RIGHT FIG? Because I can't handle stripping Jordan of her medal, that seems so fucked by this point and afaik there is no precedent for such a thing, so it would be weird to set one now.
No seriously it would be a VERY VERY weird precedent to allow other competitors to challenge successful inquiries. Is that really going to be the new norm now? Or was it already happening and I just wasn't aware of it? (easy to happen, I'm not a 4 year fan but I also don't know enough to be a true gymnerd)
Who the fuck is running World Champions Centre official Twitter account because they need to log off NOW (and maybe get banned from ever touching official social media accounts again.)
Actually everyone involved in gymnastics needs massive media training pronto :S
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bubbleteasing · 1 month ago
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I don't *think* anyone has asked this yet (i skimmed through your answered asks): what would have happened if sans did not ask frisk to reset in acaat?
You're right, I don't think anyone's asked that before, nor have I really stopped to think about it...
Oof. Ok, answer under the cut!
Well, starting where we left off, they have that unexpected encounter when Sans and gets attacked by her (rightfully so), then later on he visits again and tells her about him being able to turn time. She pretends to believe him and tells him to go ahead, only for him to discover that he can't go back with a reset (likely because Frisk just saved or something like that).
So what then?
Reader just keeps living her life. She keeps donating baby stuff, keeps going to work, visits the cemetery... and of course, indulges into those newly discovered self destructive habits, such as having sex with strangers, drinking, and smoking cigarettes.
No one sees anything coming, since she keeps her facade pretty well; she's a good boss, a great friend, she's always smiling and being 'herself', but once she gets home it's a different story.
Sans knows this. He watches her from afar, noticing all the little details the rest of the people don't.
She's hoping something bad will happen. That maybe smoking will worsen her health to the point of dying. That maybe one day one of her hook-ups will be a serial killer.
One day, Sans tries to reason with her. She laughs, reminding him about going back in time to fix it, but she already knew he couldn't do it.
He's always been full of shit.
Sans steps back and convinces Papyrus to try to talk her into an intervention, but she quickly shuts it down. It pains her to block Papyrus out of her life once again after him visiting her at the hospital, but if that means keeping Sans away, she'll break his heart. She might even enjoy that punishing Papyrus hurts Sans too.
And eventually, what actually ends up killing her, is falling asleep in her bed while smoking.
Sans wasn't there, so no one saves her. She's the only victim. No one learns that she was actively looking for a way to die. Everyone just thinks she died by accident, and they mourn her as such.
Sans blames himself for it. This might've made her happy.
A pretty underwhelming ending if you ask me. Angsty? Yes, but I like my angst with a bit of substance.
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springcatalyst · 1 month ago
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2, 10, 18, 25 for the relationship asks with Diana and who ever you think would be most interesting for these questions!!!!
yesss thank you beloved im feelin like the pepe silvia scene from it's always sunny but im just pointing to a picture of diana. im in love with her
most of these will probably be her and julian because that's the one thats. how u say. complicated.
2: How long have these two characters known each other?
Diana and Julian have known each other long enough that it doesn't matter. Since childhood. Sure there must have been a time before they were friends, but it's like the period before your sibling is born- can you really say there was ever a point you 'met'? They lived in the same town, they gravitated towards each other in the way that queer people do even (especially) when nobody involved knows what queerness even means. It would be false to say they're both outsiders, because Diana is very good at Doing What She's Supposed To, but they share a sort of alienation and ill fit and dread (ha) that ties them to each other. It grows with time, but at the same time it's almost unsteady, because it's built on more negative than positive. Who would they be if they weren't just huddling together beneath the jaw of something, you know?
10: What is one major difference between them?
They are structured fundamentally different, even as it's spurred by very very similar circumstances. Diana keeps herself safe with compliant passivity- she is polite and pretty and knows what to say and when to say it. She is actually rather well liked through the town because of this. Of course, they don't really like her, rather a smoothed-out version of her that has buried most of the genuine personality, but it grants her the grace to float through her life causing as little stir as possible. 'Causing little stir' is her 'safe'.
Julian, on the other hand, even when he's younger and not nearly as problem-causing as later on, is never as easy as Diana. He's stubborn like all his family, he gets frustrated easily and when he is he gets snippy and rude- which means he is often snippy and rude. He doesn't compromise. He doesn't like being told what to do. Diana has learned to live with everything that pisses Julian off, because the consequences for her are more immediate, while the consequences for him are more long-term. They are both trying to avoid the same thing, but Diana is punished for acting out and so spends much more time trying to avoid that, while Julian is largely left to his own devices for everything but that long-term result, which means he does anything and everything to obviate it, causing as much of a fuss as he can.
I hesitate to call Diana passive, though, because it's only half true. She is not unfamiliar with anger, she's just unable to express it. That, and she has a messier, closer relationship with her family, and so simultaneously wants to do right by them, and rightfully feels wronged when she is mistreated. She is very close to her father, and he protects her as she simultaneously tries to protect him. Her siblings care very much for her, but are first and foremost getting their own lives in order. They implore her to do the same, not understanding the kink in that system. She feels an obligation to her mother independent of what their actual relationship looks like. Where Julian's family is more distant and so he can place blame on anyone he wants without guilt, Diana has some semblance of a functional, meaningful relationship with hers (positive and negative), and so can't just get angry. It drives more of a futile non-action in her, because she doesn't think of anything as being anyone's fault.
18: Do they view their relationship as temporary or permanent?
They would have both figured it permanent right up until it ended. Even then, ended is a strong word, because what really happened is someone just disappeared. It had been just them for so long, and then Julian disappeared and that word is not an exaggeration- nobody even knew if he was alive or dead. Some were firm in their belief of one or the other. Diana fluctuated between the two. Thinking he was alive was better, obviously, but if he was then that means that he left without her. Without even telling her. She would have gone with him, if he'd asked.
Suddenly, she was alone in a way that she hadn't really thought would ever happen, even as bad as anything would get, she'd always thought it'd be the two of them going through it together. And then it just wasn't.
And this isn't about Julian but even for him- he didn't plan it like that. He didn't plan at all, actually. The decision to leave was impulsive and sudden and he followed through with very little forethought because he knew it he didn't do it now then consequences and promises would catch up to him. He didn't even think about taking Diana with him. It didn't even cross his mind. I don't know if that makes it better or worse.
25: If a stranger saw them together, how would they describe their relationship?
Well it depends because crazy enough they do actually cross paths again, years and years later when lots has changed. When they're young, though, back in Ereform, they kind of just go together. They're a matched set, where one goes chances are you'll see the other. Not always, because they both have their own responsibilities to their houses, but often. People who didn't know them well kind of thought Diana was being nice to him? Like- I said already Diana is very likeable because she is just what people want or expect her to be. Julian is not- he's kind of jagged around the edges and offputting and just kind of odd. So people looking in can safely assume that kind, sweet Diana has befriended the weird Kil girl and put up with her bullshit to give her a friend. But if you know either of them much more it's obvious that it's not nearly that one-sided. They do both care very much about each other and Diana would be just as lost without him as he would without her.
Later on though. Aha. Well. They meet by chance or luck (good or bad depends on how you look at it) or perhaps fate, once again, in the harbor closest to Ereform. It is very messy. Then when Julian (and Liliana but she's not a part of this get your nose OUT of their business girl!!) end up stuck in Acrofin, and when Diana turns out to be a method to get where they're going (or more accurately, to get where they're going to come to them) it gets! Messier! But there is still an odd sort of friendship that happens under really weird circumstances that I can't really get into because it would not only be spoilers (as if i've ever cared about that before) but also just really long. But safe to say they make an even odder pair than before. Julian is all his brash, cruel, loud sharpness that he's ever had x100, and Diana is still much of the sweet, kind, quiet woman she always was, because funny enough that's really hard to leave behind, even if everything else goes. I'm gonna end on a funny note, because if I have to be so for real with you, people assume they're fucking. Because why the hell else would she be hanging around him?
OC Pair Ask Game! i will do more of these for any two please please please please
#ask#ocs#THANKS BELOVED I AM THINKING OF HER AND THINKING OF HER AND THINKING OF HER AND THINKING OF HER#ive also been doodling her nonstop and spent most of today painting a her that i will probably upload once it's done#and maybe ill scan/digitize some of my doodles but needless to say. i am thinking of her crazy style#worlds most beautiful woman who is walking through a world that shapes itself like grief around her#help girl! she can only play the hand she's dealt but the hand she's dealt consistently sucks major ass!#everybody places their own expectations or meanings on her and what is left is something thats not her at all!#she doesn't even know how to be angry because she can't fathom that cruelty is anything but the function of the world!#she can't even bring herself to blame anyone!#girl who cares very much for everyone in her life and thus lets them do whatever they will with her because she wants nothing but the best-#-for them. girl who even as she recognizes mistreatment will not stop it because the only thing worse than things as they are is losing-#-the people who mean the most to her. and she doesn't know how to make them not mutually exclusive.#i am. IN love with her#ALSOOOOOO if anyone wanna send me more oc ask game (PLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASE) do any 2#even if they aren't in the same story i like Comparing characters. but the ones that ARE in the same stories are UHM#julian/diana/liliana/heiti/nadia (naomi/ciara/kane/warren/singh/bakome are more minor characters)#and then like. milo/reiji/sumaya/suna/yarosh(that's a name u haven't heard b4)#and then brooke/dante/deya/devonte. who i am very bad at coming up with plot for god help me#anywhooooooo. look at my ocs boy
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dumbblondesposts · 2 months ago
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I'm sorry, but if you genuinely still can't understand the reasons for why people hated Elena so much, after all these years, then I'm afraid you're a lost cause. All the hate, backlash, and criticism Elena received was 100% justified and deserved. She's by far the worst and most boring, bland, vapid, weakest, useless, and worthless excuse of a main protagonist I've ever seen in any movie, show, book, and media. Nothing remotely interesting or compelling about her in the slightest. She has no personality or agency, and she contributed nothing whatsoever to the show. Her only personality and the only thing she contributed was going back and forth between two brothers, constantly whining and crying and playing the victim, and being a selfish, self-centered, and self-absorbed little twat that makes everything about her and thinks the world revolves around her. 
And before you use trauma as an excuse to defend her, I've seen plenty of other female characters from other shows and movies that have been through similar or worse things than Elena did, and they were a million times better and more likable than Elena could ever be. Stop using trauma and abuse as a weapon and to guilt people into changing their opinions about Elena. Don't pretend to give a shit about victims of abuse and trauma, when I don't see any of you extending that same grace to people like Caroline, Bonnie, Katherine, Rebekah, and Vicki, who have all been through shit too, and were far more interesting and better characters than Elena were. And you hate them for the exact same reasons, just like how a lot of you hate female characters in general for trauma and abuse they've been dealt. 
So, don't act so innocent when a lot of you villainize the hell out of Caroline for being the only character on the show that actually acted like an actual teenage girl, had believable flaws and imperfections, and was actually a lot more relatable than Elena was. And when you also villainize and victim blame/shame and slut shame her for the rape and abuse she suffered at the hands of Damon. You hate Caroline for rightfully hating her rapist and abuser, and not wanting Elena to be with him. But you don't hate Elena, who's supposed to be the best friend, and clearly has no shame sleeping with a rapist, knowing exactly what he did. Makes perfect sense. 
And I will most definitely always hate Elena for her decision to kill Kol, along with thousands and thousands of other vampires in his sireline. I don't care what Kol did, she will always be a straight piece of shit and a fucking cunt for that. And the audacity she had to be mad at Stefan for sleeping with Katherine and Rebekah, when she was flaunting the fact that she was sleeping with his abusive, rapist brother? Yeah, 100% FUCK HER! She has no say in who Stefan can and can't see. 
How Elena even has fans or people defending her is beyond me. If she wasn't such a bland bitch and had an actual personality and something to offer to the story and was just a decent person in general, then people would've actually liked her and rooted for her. But she was never leading lady material. That should've gone to Caroline or Katherine, mostly Katherine. But I'd do fine with Caroline too, she doesn't need a family legacy or nothing like that to lead the show. LITERALLY ANYTHING IS BETTER THAN ELENA!
Jesus you hate her THIS MUCH 😭??
writing a whole article that only showcases you contradicting yourself is funny, Elena was not in fact any more of a morally corrupt character than the rest of them including bonnie and Rebekah whom you used as an example here who also befriended rapists/murderers so what's your point
Also how are you talking about the unnecessary hate female characters get for being rightfully traumatized after going through so much and then turn around to say Elena's trauma isn't justified
"she was whiny and self centered" so was every male character in that show
And what has Caroline done that's so much more impactful to deserve being the "leading lady" over Elena exactly?
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kierreras · 1 year ago
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I'm going to defend Jere. He has literally been fighting his deep and very real feelings for Belly since season 1. She broke his heart like worse than most people even realize. They were not on speaking terms that's how bad it was. She's with him and then accidentally kisses Conrad. She goes to tell Jere about it and he's rightfully got the mindset (You're supposed to be my best friend) what the ?! Why are you messing with my heart and feelings? That's why he told her to get out. She continuously tries to get Jere to talk to her after the breakup and then Conrad has the audacity when Jere's dealing with medical bills to ask for his blessing. Why? Because that's how he figured he could possibly try to get over her. Being near Belly when he feels the way he does is too much. Conrad not taking Jere seriously. Rip Susannah but she really fucked them all up good intentioned or not. The mindset of oh it will always be Conrad. Your mom just assuming that was hurtful. The passion mistaken for "lust" bffr no it's on a deeper emotional and intimate level because their foundation is built in friendship. Belly royally fucked up and I get that she's young but damn. So unlikable. The fact that NO ONE thought to think to ask Jere how he felt is fucking insane like he was supposed to be okay with that. Yes, he knew about the crush and feelings but Conrad hadn't actually acted on them. Jere's literally in love with her. He's been feeling tortured from end of season 1 into season 2. Not to mention some people clearly have never been in love with two people at the same time. It's complicated. Belly is truly beyond messy. Everything is disastrous but what happened between her and Jere at the end of the episode was all her. She's been all over him. You can't expect him to not kiss the girl he's actually in love with and his best friend. Now, should it have taken place where it did? Oh hell no. With what she's wearing? No. That blatantly disrespected Conrad. She's the problem. Jere caved but he's not to blame for this. She is. She loves them both but she's not actually in love with Conrad anymore and is guarding her heart from him. She tried to tell him the night before that she's been having intense feelings for Jere, thankfully he fell asleep. I feel for Conrad I do, it's just too little too late. Maybe this reality check will be good for him? Him seeing literal fireworks between those too. He should want that for her because I recall a convo about neither of them not being able to be with someone if there wasn't fireworks. My heart hurts for him but there's no denying she's in love with Jere seemingly too at this point. He did everything he possibly could to resist her. He tried so hard. I'm sorry this is like a novel. Honestly Team Fisher's happiness at this point because What the fuck!
oh, please don't be sorry, it's all okay, i love reading someone's thoughts about those things. and thank you for sending me this! honestly, i wanted to apologise if in some of my previous replies it looked like i'm blaming jeremiah for everything that happened. i actually don't, because all three of them made this situation such a mess. and a little warning, i'm not a jere hater, but i'm not a big fan as well, so i'm somewhere in the middle. i do agree with what you said, jere really tried to fight his feelings for belly and move on, but i don't think that conrad and belly were in the wrongs here too. from their point of view, jeremiah was a golden retriever, a person who has meaningless flings and someone who's just always happy. the biggest issue with all three of them is their lack of communication. we, as viewers, realise that their summer fling with belly meant a lot for jeremiah, but belly doesn't realise it, conrad wasn't even aware of it before him and belly kissed on the beach. they are sixteen and in love, the whole world literally disappears when you're in love, so i think it's understandable that both belly and conrad were not aware how serious everything was for jeremiah. conrad asking jeremiah for blessing was a pretty understandable thing for me. jeremiah didn't tell him how serious he felt towards belly, conrad doesn't know about his feelings. they don't communicate well (if not like at all), so they are dealing with an aftermath of zero communication between them. what i don't like about jeremiah in general is him using guilt-tripping tactic to make his point. with belly he pulled "my mom has cancer" card when she came to talk about conrad. again, don't hate him cause it's his way of dealing with things. with conrad he said that conrad wasn't present for his mother when conrad was literally in college (and personally, i have studied abroad, so when my little sister pulled "you're not even here with us" card at me once i got a depression episode). so his tactics are pretty questionable to me. and i do feel bad for jeremiah cause adam and partly susannah fucked up with him by starting this competition between him and conrad. i feel sorry for him because he thinks that he's not worthy when things come to conrad. however, i feel sorry for him up until the moment he blames conrad for this cause it's not conrad's fault that his parents had made jere feel that way. i'm not trying to say that conrad and belly are saints, they are not. actually, all three of them are dealing with grief and all three of them haven't really processed the loss of susannah, but meanwhile jeremiah needs people around, conrad needs to take a step back from everyone. and belly, on the other hand, is afraid that things will change, she's trying to get this part of susannah that she lost. and who is a copy of susannah with her optimism, shiny eyes and bright smile? jeremiah. belly is deflecting from her grief by trying to hold to her childhood where everything was not so complicated. she loves both of the boys, of course, and that's why she's acting so messy. no excuses because right now belly doesn't even realise consequences of everything that she's doing to them, but also i don't think that we have to expect a lot of maturity from sixteen years old girl too. absolutely agree that conrad needed a reality check, they both need to mature on their own to find each other later. for me belly and conrad in this season proved that they are right person wrong time trope, so when they both will have their individual growth, they could find a road to each other again. the same thing with jeremiah, he needs to grow and deal with his issues too. and yeah team fishers' happiness all the way! i can write a whole essay about how fisher brothers need to put each other first, but it's for another rant. if you've read to this part thank you so much! and i'm so sorry if this reply is huge, i really liked the conversation you started and it was great reading your thoughts!
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lightlycareless · 1 year ago
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hi! i hope ure doing a little bit better. take all the time u need! here's an hc i have
https://youtu.be/wOEKdWrtz6U
THIS but satoru and hinata when they were 2nd years, they just did this for fun. since canonically satoru can do everything he puts his mind into, wouldn't be surprised if it was the same for hinata
UGH i can't help but think it's THEM
+ adding to the yt link post w virtuemoir, you might think it's unlikely since they didn't really love each other like genuinely genuinely, but still i like to believe the attraction was there
Heya anon!
Thank you so much for your lovely ask and checking in on me 🥺❤️I'm doing much better now, now that the small depressive episode is done and I'm back to writing :>
I apologize for taking a while to respond, but do not be fooled... this never left my mind (I also combined the two asks so they wouldn't be separate :>)—more so because the second season of jujutsu made me wonder just how involved Hinata would've been when everything went down!!
But going back to this video—yes!! I think Hinata and Satoru would've done, even with their differences, everything together at one point, and excel at it too.
Knowing how everything comes easy to him Hinata would've made it work, mostly because out of spite haha. She couldn't allow Satoru to be that good, she had to be in his level or near him (She wanted to save herself the incessant teasing from his part) while Satoru would come up with the craziest ideas to find a "weakness" for him to exploit/humiliate, only for him to be rightfully contested when she wouldn't relent.
However, the more they spent time together, the more they realized they genuinely liked being with one another, at one point Satoru offered to teach her whatever she needed—with Hinata willingly accepting to be his student.
I do feel they were attracted to one another, if not started to be attracted, during this time. I mean, they were teenagers, very hormonal, and have been in each other's life since forever 😂 it just started to happen, so... why not?
Hinata would be the first to find the other attractive, however, Satoru would be the first one to conclude that "maybe spending the rest of my life with her isn't as bad"
Of course these sentiments were nothing but a step they needed to take in order to know themselves and what they wanted in life, (like their first time together lol idk if writing it would be morbid but let's be real after all the shit I've done.... do I have any excuse? 😂) eventually coming to the realization that what they wanted the most out of the other was friendship—The reassurance that no matter what happened they would still be there for one another.
Presumably around the time where Satoru met Suguru. They just had a whole new level of chemistry, and Hinata was all in for it.
After Hinata called off the engagement I could totally see Satoru telling her something like:
"If we're still single at 30 we could marry each other and have some kids or something" to which she would only roll her eyes and dismiss as him being his usual silly self—at least outwardly, because Hinata wouldn't deny that the idea of settling down with someone she already knows is nice.
I mean, let's not forget how her dating endeavors had been going—she hates it lol. And I can't blame her, the dating scene is... oof. So why waste her time meeting people that just don't get her, seemingly don't have any ambitions, don't share her work ethics and whatnot, when she could could just rely on Satoru?
And if the pressure from the elders towards Satoru grows too "annoying" for him to keep ignoring, or who knows, maybe he finally decides he do wants to settle down, he could rely on her as well.
It sounds awful when put that way lol, but I think these things serve to show just how intertwined Satoru and Hinata were, something that only people who have known each other for a very long time, and learned to trust one another completely, could do.
Satoru cherishes Ren, Hinata, and Y/N a lot, and so do they. There's nothing they wouldn't do for one another, and that's something I intend to show deeper into the story :>
Once again, thank you so much for sending in this ask! Now I want to write in what Hinata's, Ren's and Y'N's reaction would've been to the whole thing that went down on season 2 😭 (who am I kidding, that's totally gonna happen)
If there's anything else you'd like to know about their relationship, or just share with me, my ask box is always open 🤭❤️
Thank you so much, I hope you have a wonderful weekend, and see you around!!
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therecordconnection · 1 year ago
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Colleen Ballinger's "Toxic Gossip Train" song is gonna be this generation's version of O.J. Simpson's If I Did It, a piece of work where the author more or less completely admits to their wrongdoing but deflects by pointing the gun at other people and blaming others instead of actually taking an introspective look at themselves (or in Simpson's case, admitting to a crime by framing it as a "hypothetical" and saying that he would never do that, but could have). Like, good lord, woman! Did you actually read this before singing it on camera!?
Many years ago, I used to message my fans Uh, but not in a creepy way like a lot of you are trying to suggest It was more of a loser kind of way Where I was just trying to be besties with everybody It was kinda like, uh, when you go to like a family gathering, you know? And there's a weird aunt there who keeps coming up to you and going like, "Hey, girl, what's the tea?" And you're like, "Eh" Um, that was me, but in group chats with my fans, it was weird
Just because you admit it was weird doesn't make it any less wrong. You still did it!! It's also not "gossip" anymore if you admit you were doing weird stuff! Plus, her PR team must be losing their fucking minds right now because she even says in the song that they advised her to keep her mouth shut! I wouldn't want to be them right now.
Um, even though my team has strongly advised me to not say what I want to say I recently realized that they never said that I couldn't sing what I wanna say, so...
Absolutely bonkers. It's like she listened to Akon's "Sorry, Blame It On Me," heard the lyrics "Because I love my fans, I'll take that blame / Even though the blame's on you" and wrote a whole song around that. Her framing device of "people just like to watch you fall :(" doesn't work when there's evidence about what you've been accused of AND you admit that the "gossip" is true!
And she fucking put it on streaming platforms and put it up for sale on Apple Music!! Make no mistake, she did that purely to cash in on the meme and the controversy for one last cash flow before it all inevitably ends. You've seen Youtubers in hot water plenty of times in the past, but this isn't a Gabbie Hanna sort of deal where she's clearly dealing with some kind of mental illness and at worst just isn't a good person who treats people well, this is much much worse.
Understand that what she has been accused of (and what there is concrete evidence for) is beyond fucked up and she deserves whatever ill-fortune might come her way. I'm certain there are fans who agreed with her song and want to defend her, but that's a road they will be walking alone if they do. If what I've been reading about her is true (because I didn't even know who she was until this whole song fiasco happened), it's not just the grooming allegations that people are rightfully angry about. It's also been sexual harassment, racism, enabling toxic work culture, sharing someone else's nudes with minors without consent, mailing minors lingerie, being in a group chat with underage fans, and more ick than you would really want to think about.
You've seen plenty of shitty Youtuber "apologies" where they're clearly lying and only saying things in front of a camera to try and save face. You've seen ones where people are clearly monetizing it and making it long enough so that it can be monetized. This one is a new breed though and it deserves to be looked at, mocked/memed, and studied. I can't think of anyone else off the top of my head who turned their "apology" video into a song like this. It's completely delusional and detached from any reality you and I co-exist in.
Colleen Ballinger is a shitty, awful, evil person who is not only deserving of your scorn and vitriol, but is also someone who should have to pay for what she has done. If it isn't jailtime (which it should be!) then we can at least try to take comfort in hopefully never having to hear from or see her ever again.
Stay safe out there, friends. There's a lot of nasty people in the world.
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randomclam24 · 5 months ago
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While it's true and is essentially the enlightenment of our age to realize that the male orgasm is fundamenatally of our time limited to "I don't want to end up like those tech company lifestyle people
The mere act of advocation for salvation from the shit world we live in makes you one of these, and my mistake is thinking it's by default through the action. I just come off like this - oh wait that was a mistake. I don't know what this is.
And then they look at this attitude like oh, he's just walking off from the race. He has to do this.
I don't know what comes next.
It's a sequence.
Somebody has to fly down and tell us what to do. I don't know. I can't say we're too held up, because that thought failed out into the aether
I don't know. Lou's video titlecard that was at the time reacting to me "a plane is a boat" makes simple sense if you know spaceship with airlock symbology, but how through "enlightenment" by simple observation we're preeminently *on it* I don't recognize - it goes I *should* - we seen this before
updateNow remember, it's not the way it's said, but the expression context in which it's said, where the mistake I'm making repeatedly is saying that it's going to come *through*, but in either case yes, this is a [bitch] of asphyxiation, you're not doing it completely, and where you abandon the cause this causes panic osmotic[the -ally gets cut off[so it sounds like you'll hit the wall at 30]]
It's supposed to smother the part of you that isn't with this. We're already on board , that's the foc
A talk show gamer host could say sucking a *ballsack* is *not* the Way to go, but according to famous actresses for the past years , it is
That's what they say. If a bimbo born of the replaceability can't smother your cock because of disinterest malfeasance, you'll never enter probably World War Three at this point because there are too many [redactions] talking
I could post the fact that there in fact was a [sic] error that happened at this moment, but it's true with the actresses - all people will react that do to this will rebrand it instantaneously as the subconscious decision, the actual, at the back of their mind to make it hit-the-wall-hard cringy subtly plausible fagging
Knowing that absolute construct represents something, I don't know what that represents, and I can't stop the typos until and unless I detach *off [which - OFF - is a game
I guess what I don't know is are we detaching the game off then or detaching it on - I had typos with the converse
In real life, the way things go is staple memetics make the passage of life feel ["like" gets cut short] a "spell" is being cast, thus Thomas the Suicidal Tank Engine by default unless you're - not even a fag; i don't know
Teenage life which limits the first world experience even in japan is filled with too much cringe[this gets woefully rightfully cut off "short", and then they say] they're trying to get me to say it's cast by witches (Wake Up Call's video on witches doing the sexual revelation as a sexual call(to arms?)) as a means of owning up to my work day productivity
but I know that will just blame the goyim [eem]
update-Most of our media just says, we fucked up, we either need to redeem ourselves through this dichotomy or de-admit|we were witches[pose in The Nutshack
Update|What I'm trying to imply here is not a very good argument[a good argument at *all*, is what we were trying to say]Most people believe sans a kind of evidenc
And then they [osmotically] say "Alright *good*. We're trying to cast a spell. Now we will just have to operate in that silence [cause ['cause - I got attacked by a fly]I'm all about that got] - quit - I'm trying to be funky and gay [cringe] - "no, you're lying to an American
6/21 after the above update I had a minor tussle with my mom not violent
She forced her design, and it only finds out talking to her that the registers the things I'm saying are referencing are, cuts off, she's not
And this is where they've said, trans people are not your object
On the long end you could already feel the walls collapsing. Is that what you want with your "revolution" because it shows, and the air vent is in synchronicity, I think - for sure, this is where in conversation they disavow record-awarely
Update
I'm pretty much realizing that the only thing my assertion did was transfer the perception (and therefore, power) of God to generic [ ] who are - to say overwhelmed, it's in their minds, they don't want to listen to the fact that I'm (?), perceive it's there is: not listening
They're not kidding when they say that Satanists, who are just posing as Christians in the agape sense at all as the "gatekeepers", as we've construed, are born "behind the starting line" - I think that was someone who was there by birth, implying not by faith but anything to that extension - the concept of extension, is cut
I hate having to backtrace just to [talk] - but revising that cut it short and said, what's that? *something's* there-and I don't *care*
update A neocon is masturbating "just to *talk*" - He didn't ask:
What is he doing
Update Just for the sake of illustration, the immigrant side of my family is more or less my mom.
If a nation that goes under immigrants' favor destitutalizes, which, meaning the Migrant Crisis: I'm With Her slapping, slaps over the label
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starrprincesss · 6 months ago
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May 20th 2024
Tonight, on my drive back to my parent's house, I cried out that, 'I would like to return home, I want to go home'. But even in my desperation, I questioned myself, 'What is home? Where is this home you talk about?'. I can't go back to anything, I can't go back to the house I grew up in, I can't go back. But I do know that I can't be here, no matter what, I can't stay here. For so long, I dreamt for my parents, I wished for the fantasy life for them, now that it's here, I get to dream for me now. Now it's my turn, my story, what do I want? Where do I want to go, where does my soul desire to live, what shall I do? Everything has become intention now, or rather, I have realised the importance of it, the importance of having all intention come from the heart. From purity and love, and only that. I have reached a very odd point in my awakening, what I once used to deny and proclaim proudly that I didn't want it or need it ever in my life, is now the little voice that doesn't want to leave me. It lingers, day and night, a constant reminder. Connection, that is what I yearn for, but not just any connection, it is a specific one. In my solitude and escape from society, I have met someone. I know it is not the best of circumstances, and even saying it out loud makes me sound crazy, but I cannot deny my feelings, I know what I felt, I know what I experienced. I recognise that I am love, I am a child of Mother Gaia, I am an earth angel, I was sent here to experience humanity, to grow in love. I have love all around me, I am lucky enough to have the most wonderful best friends, gifts I call them, my sisters. We love each other profoundly, we check up on one another, we listen in, we hold each other fondly in our hearts, we love each other unconditionally, this I know is true. Without words, I feel their love, even countries apart, I feel their presence, their memories, their laughter. I am not looking for love to complete me, I wasn't even looking for love, or any connections for that matter. This just found me, he found me.
In my aching despair and agony, my other self had ripped itself away from any form of light and hope, and in that progression, it was forcibly urging me to take my life. That part of me, the very angry (and rightfully so) girl had taken over, overrun by grief and pain, all the betrayal, the back stabbing, the fake friends full of animosity and envy, the hurt, the injustice, the physical pain brought on by the hands of another, the deep deep frustration that ate away at my heart, the injustice of it all, but most of all, the deep sadness that plagued me. That was her, she was full of it, anger was what she could express, because to sit down and pour out her true feelings, it would be too much, she was too full of pain. In my minds eye, I saw her, but it felt that I was looking at a shadow, because she was completely black, no face, no details, just human form, covered in darkness. That part of my self was the girl who stopped eating for 7 months, the girl who forced herself to go to the gym even when she could see fuzzy stars ahead of her and the pounding in her head wouldn't stop, that was the girl that couldn't even stand to look at herself in the mirror. Which is why I never recognised how much weight I was losing, how much weight I had lost. She was the girl that was so angry at herself and all the past decisions, but most of all, she was the girl that blamed herself for the abuse she endured from all of those individuals in Paris. She was tough girl Elizabeth, where nothing would slide, no excuses, you must do better, you must be better, feel the hunger, feel the pain, let it be your driving force, let anger be at the forefront of your life, let that be the reason why, fantasise about being better than all of them, fantasise, fantasise always. But anger doesn't last forever, thankfully. That was my motivation, them? Those low life losers, they mean nothing, how can I have them as my motivation, they do not deserve that, they don't exist anymore, they don't matter in my reality, they never did and they never will. But more than anything, I was starting to recognise that I was never at fault for what I experienced, how could I? How could I, the girl that endured the abuse, be the abuser? Be the one to blame? Instead of holding compassion for myself, I turned into those vile creatures, I attacked myself, I criticised myself, I looked down at myself for allowing it all to happen, for choosing to hang out with those people, choosing to befriend them, especially those two awful ones, and every awful person that came before.
Yes, I understand we must accept and take accountability, but we must be smart enough in deciphering when and what was really our fault. You are telling me that a girl, that was 20 years old and alone, flew to another country for the first time, where she did not speak the language, had never been to that city, had no prior friends or connections or knew anyone there for that matter, that she, she was at fault? That she knew what the intentions were of a 26 year old creep, and every other terrible insecure fake friend, no way. Absolutely no way, and I will never ever blame her, I will never blame or attack the 20 year old girl I was, I was barely even an adult, I knew nothing. With a heart of gold, and only good intentions and awareness, I never thought others could be so cruel, I never thought it to be true, that's how I was unable to see what was being done, what was being orchestrated, because I would never do those things, because I couldn't even imagine how people could do those things. And that is exactly how they got me, that is exactly how I fell into his trap. I was young, and I believed in the goodness of everyone, I was too pure for the people I was surrounding myself with, and I was in a pool of insecurity and vulnerability, not of my doing, but on what M had put onto me, he stripped himself clean of all his insecurities and ugly scars, and forced me to wear it, believing it to be mine. In that storm, I was knocked off course, I was in uncharted territories, I was the prey, hurt and alone, surrounded by predators, feigning to be saviours. The worst of their kind, can you imagine opening up to these people, showing your wounds so openly, flesh still covered in blood, truth in all its vulnerability, eyes full of pain discarding tear drops with every breathe, only for them to use all of that against you? Well, how can I blame them really, they were doing and being exactly themselves, after all, they were pretending to be my friends, they were pretending to care, all for their sick twisted pleasure and amusement. Again, because they were wolves disguised as sheep. I have no idea how I survived them all, by the grace of the divine I suppose. But also, by my strength, and by the smallest amount of love I still had, in the depths of my heart, tucked away so well not even I could know it was there. That love, that is what kept me going, that is what helped me survive, that was my strength.
I no longer blame myself, and especially do not attack myself, I hold myself like the child I am, and I whisper, repeatedly, "I am sorry Elizabeth, I am so sorry, I am sorry that I was cruel to you for so long, when you never deserved it. I will never treat you with cruelty, I will never hurt you again. I am so sorry my sweet child, I'm sorry for it all."
I take back my love, and I give it to myself. All of it, completely all of it. I will never abandon you ever again, my entire being is love, I will never experience that again, that will never be me, that reality has ceased, it no longer exists, and the memory is slowly starting to fade. How sweet life is on the other side, thank you for climbing, and most of all, thank you for never giving up.
I love you,
Yours Forever, Elizabeth Sainz.
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