#and people love Roman Roy so

[alexjcrowley]

You know when you really want to talk about a character but you find very little content about them and sometimes it's because it's a small fandom, sometimes because they're not very popular, but sometimes you distinctively realise people don't talk about them because they're not hot enough? Hate when it happens

[eriochromatic]

Maybe the poison drips through

Succession 4x10 “With Open Eyes”

[akajustmerry]

Variety: I interviewed Kieran Culkin, and he said that the boardroom fight was scripted to become physical, and that he and Jeremy Strong never want to rehearse, but because of your pregnancy they wanted to for safety reasons. What was your experience of that? Sarah Snook: Originally, it was meant to be more between Shiv and Kendall who are fighting — potentially pulling a phone out, and throwing it at Kendall, and having it escalate like that. We had a choreography rehearsal between Jeremy and I. And then on the day, I felt good about being able to advocate for myself, going, “Let’s just remember this is a fight scene that we haven’t really properly rehearsed that we’re sort of feeling out with a pregnant woman.” I feel safe, but Jeremy doesn’t like to rehearse, and I���m going to respect that to a point — but I’m not going to keep my mouth shut when I’m pregnant and we’re going into a fight scene. But what ended up happening, which was far more honest and realistic to the scene, is that when Shiv goes to leave, Jeremy grabs my hand. Up until that point we’d rehearsed — but the instinct from Kieran as Kieran as much as it was from Roman is like, “Get your fucking hands off her. She’s pregnant!” And then leaps on him. And so it really made sense, so much more sense, that she would just be like, “Whoa — it is just boys, like wrestling boys. This is again, childhood.” So it ended up being fine in terms of my safety, and much better in terms of the scene.

Sarah Snook (Finally!) Talks About Filming the ‘Devastating’ End of ‘Succession,’ the Scene Cut From the Finale and What She Stole From Set by Kate Aurthur

[bitchthefuck1]

Rewatching succession it really is wild to see Kendall and Shiv convince themselves over and over again that they can "fix ATN/Waystar from the inside" only to completely abandon their morals the minute it gives them a strategic advantage.

When they're on the outside it's an endless diatribe about how evil and rotten the company is to its core, but the second they get the slightest whiff of power they suddenly decide the problems are actually really manageable and that with the right leadership it could be a force for good, and like...the saddest part is that they genuinely seem to believe that.

[siobhanory]

this is not to discount anybody's preferences for succession but i do think shiv being the youngest (as opposed to roman) is an important piece to her character and the misogyny she faces. (ignoring obvious ties like connor calling her baby or shiv giving "puppy eyes" to manipulate big brother ken.) being constantly infantilised throughout the show does tie into her gender but there is definitely a correlation with her actually being a step behind them in the race. she is a / young / woman --- (and because of these two things) --- with no experience /. all of these things stacking on top of her make it seem IMPOSSIBLE for her to reach the top. i think a lot of people stating that because she's more responsible and terse than her brothers, she has "eldest daughter syndrome" but i think seeing these traits in her actually reflects the way she, as the youngest, is overcompensating for how she's underestimated, having always felt a need to live up to her older brothers. she's overshadowed her whole life! which forces her to grow up quicker than her brothers, especially when being pit against them. shiv being a more masculine character, constantly vying to be the big brother, in turn, ALLOWS roman to play baby brother. and roman easily slides into this role because shiv is so beyond discounted from this race.

[shivroy]

also in relation to the hearts post you should read this too. holy fuck this shivfic

[usercelestial]

can't stop thinking about characters who are dogs. like characters who bark and growl. who bite the hands that feed them and that get mean when they're nervous like bad dogs, who can't help gnawing at a good thing until it bleeds. characters who are loyal and possessive and protective but reckless and feral and rabid. characters who wanna sit at the feet of their owners and characters that can't stop losing. characters who are kicked like strays and put in cages. characters who are muzzled and loud and obedient and mean. characters who are just foaming at the mouth for love and attention, characters who are hungry and savage. characters who are just. dogs.

[toastytrusty]

you ever think about when shiv said i hate you to lukas he said "you can't hate me you don't know me well enough" but when roman said i hate you to lukas he just took it. yeah

[sockich]

Mencken: *doing badly in the polls* Roman: Hello, hello! Look at you! Losing it, like a massive fucking loser. * Roman: *has a sobbing breakdown at his father's funeral* Mencken: Hey, hey, hey. It’s the grim weeper. Tiny tears! * Me: Wow. That's some soulmate shit right there. Meant for each other for real!

[schmweed]

Succession | S02E02

[grinchwrapsupreme]

it really does do something to my brain that Roman was the only one who was physically abused as a kid like to the point where his siblings Noticed, to the point where it's had lasting effects on how he approaches relationships, like it wasn't enough that he was the Second Second son, Logan had to punish him for being "weaker" by virtue of being younger than Kendall, and then when that punishment has an impact Logan has to punish him for the impact too, like "Dad thinks there's something wrong with you" fuckin cycle within the cycle

[roman-roy-apologist]

smth y’all need to realize is just because a character was abused it doesn’t mean that they don’t also perpetuate abuse and it doesn’t just give them a free pass to do anything

[zevranunderstander]

i hate when people (especially men) say shiv made the choice at the end for her baby. like i hate that. she made the choice for a lot of reasons, like. she was mad at kendall winning and didn't want to just hand him the crown just because he's the man between the two of them when she fought so hard for it for so long. she maybe did it because she saw kendall turn into logan. she did it because she probably genuinely knew he wouldnt be good at it. some of that was rational and some of that was probably irrational and driven by a lot of emotion.

like. chosing between kendall and the man who she put on the throne just so he would betray her in the last second is such a brutal choice, and she chose the two men who betrayed her, because of kendall. like this always comes down to the siblings and she would rather be the CEOs wife and become her own mother than kendall become CEO and pretend to be his father. like. she does not care about tom enough to be hurt by his betrayal, nor does she care which of these choices is better for him

but she sure as fuck didn't do it for her baby. she does not care about that baby. neither does tom, really, but when people in the show say she would be a bad mother that is... kind of true? she doesn't really seem to want to be a mother and does it like a lot of "woman stuff" she does - she didnt care at all about her wedding, she doesn't care for the place her and tom moved into, and she doesn't really care about having a baby and being a mother. like, yeah, of course she's hurt when people say shed be a bad mother, but she probably still isnt all that interested in being a mother? like. there is no way in hell shiv thought about that baby in that board meeting, like she sat down calmly before the meeting and then made a pro and con list about making kendall CEO and then came to the level-headed conclusion that tom would be overall the lesser evil and better option for her baby. that woman? shiv roy? for her baby?

it's just so out of character for her that i can only blame sexism and not understanding the character because how do you look at shioban roy saying 'i dont think youd be good at it' and 'i love you but i cannot stomach you' after having lost so close at the finish line and using all the power she has so that her brother doesn't get a victory he doesnt deserve, even if the alternative is literally the worst 2 people it could be for her personally. just the idea that this was a purely rational choice made by her so that her baby has a better life is so funny to me like hello

[autistic-britta-perry]

like Shiv's mean sometimes and emotionally stunted and that's basically it She's a cheater but he was fine with possibly cheating and it was only when he thought she'd do it too that he was like no so like sorry I don't really feel bad about that part. And then there's the 'I don't love you' thing and that's it! she didn't send him to prison!!! he got himself into trouble, he could've exposed it and he did not and then he offered himself and she was like strategically that'd be good and then he was hurt that she didn't save him He keeps saying he loves her and that he cares throughout the first seasons and people just buy that fully and think Shiv doesn't when she's the one who shows it through actions! and like I get up until beginning of s4 Tom not knowing that but whenever I read people who watch the show saying she doesn't love her or that it was only Shiv hurting him until the betrayal I get so mad

[memecatwings]

i wouldnt say roman is in love with gerri i think he saw her as a confidant and friend because he was able to show a side of himself to her that he was incapable of showing to anyone else and he deeply regrets what he did to her and he's ashamed he did it but i wouldnt say he's in love with her. roman is, ultimately, alone moreso than any of his siblings because he coats himself in all of this bravado and confidence so he doesnt get treated like the "weak dog". his sexual preference for being degraded and dominated is something he kept very very close to himself - he hid it the way one may hide being queer but he showed it to gerri he let gerri in. but he sabatoged that relationship to try to emulate his father and then regretted it. i believe what roman feels for gerri at this point is regret more than anything else