#and literally use it to hurt trans people

[eva-does-its-best]

Damn, I regret reading all of this. You really believe masculinity is constructed around the hatred of women??? You're really disconected from masculinity then.

You know what hurt me the most when I was a trans woman? People like you! Your ideas made me hate my body, your ideas made me afraid of what I was capable of, your ideas made me allow myself to be abused by women.

You know how many trans women I've had to see struggling with that too? Not because of dysphoria but because of the whole discourse around anything masculine. And now I don't just need to defend them against terfs and transphobes, I need to defend them from other trans women who seek so desperately to validate their fucking womanhood by adopting the most barebones surface level oppositional sexist feminism. Like what you are spewing right here.

You know what is constructed around the hatred of women? Patriarchal masculinity and Patriarchal femininity. The alt-right men, the radical feminist women, all of those imbeciles, specific types of each side.

Man-hating doesn't end at men no, it always leads to hatred of anything with masculine traits, be it men from minorities, masculine women, butches, trans women, some non-binary people, some intersex people, etc.

It's the literal terf and radfem rethoric or men bad and dangerous women good and pure that leads to the hatred against trans women in the first place. It's what causes so many trans men and transmascs to have trouble with their transition because they are constantly being told how all masculine traits are undesireable and worse than feminine traits.

And you really out here like women are not also perpetuators of the patriarchy, in my whole life most of the sexism, misoginy and transphobia I've recieved came from cis women.

If you wanna perpetuate the ideas behind transphobia don't coat them in trans colors, just go mask off and save us some time. If you actually wanna help trans people and trans women in specific stop with this bullshit, reflect on what you are actually saying and the effects it has, and grow and learn to be better.

You won't ever convince me with your arguments because your theories fail to match the reality of our world, so you can either argument for your fans, rage at me, try to learn from your mistake or shut your mouth and stop spewing stealth hate. Bye.

So when women say they hate men we can agree that most of them arent saying "testosterone bad" right? It's pure projection to read it like that. It also shouldnt be read as "men are fundamentally evil by their spiritual male nature". Thats also projection. Im insecure af too but like come on now.

If trans men have such amazing insight into patriarchy then we can probably read between the lines that what is being said is "the overwhelming and endless cycle of patriarchal conditioning affects trans men too. Because masculinity is currently construed around hatred of all things woman, trans men are going to internalize at least some of these thought patterns pre- and post transitioning, and thus are not fundamentally different from other types of men when it comes to violence against women. Some of this violence is unintentional callousness, carelessness or performative cruelty and thus creates a hostile environment for women who are afraid of these behaviors".

Patriarchy isnt just big strong white hetero men who beat up the men they deem unfit, or scrutinize the behavior of other men until everyone conforms. It's also the nerdy men who project their insecurity onto women and repeat the cycle, thus elbowing their way into acceptable masculinity through emotional and verbal violence instead of fists. And so much of trans man masculinity is just this pattern in a smaller scale.

Also just going to trans women's posts to harass them and crying about misandry and eyeing every feminist statement with suspicion truly is just misogyny 101 and has to stop

[canideformed]

Can perisex trans bootlickers stop claiming that “sex is real, it’s gender that’s fake” or saying that trans people can’t change our sexes “but we’re still our genders” or arguing that your AGAB is inherently anything beyond a singular event in your past, or whatever?

These beliefs harm all sex variant people. I know some trans people may be comfortable not altering their physical sex, but that doesn’t mean the ones who do aren’t literally changing their sex.

Gender affirming surgeries and care were called “sex change” procedures for a reason. This novel re-definition of “sex” as being strictly chromosomes is a transphobic and intersexist response to the increased visibility of trans people. The line of thought was “well, I don’t want them to be able to change their sex! So I’m going to re-define sex as something we can’t (yet) change,” as well as, “well, I want to enforce the sex binary on intersex people, so I’m going to create a system to be able to force them into binary boxes based on whether or not they have a Y chromosome.”

Stop enforcing the sex binary. It is a bigoted concept and it hurts people. Stand by your intersex and transsexual siblings and don’t let us be erased.

[genderqueerdykes]

i meant “Trans/Rad/Fem” by Talia Bhatt (amazon(.)com/Trans-Rad-Essays-Transfeminism-Book-ebook/dp/B0CSWXHHD7), which got mentioned by a reblog on your post about how hating men isn’t progressive. I read a lot of indie books and sci fi fantasy, and there is a popular group of transfemme authors, including Bhatt, who identify as transfeminist rad fems (or “ironically” as baeddels) but are constantly lauded for their writing in the spaces where I look for trans speculative fiction.

that's actually the most pathetic shit i've ever heard in my life

man hating won't make women safer. man hating hurts trans women. it hurts the tgirls who don't, can't, or don't wanna pass. it hurts the butch trans women. it hurts fat, muscular, tall and otherwise large transfems. it hurts hairy trans women. it hurts trans women of color. it hurts intersex trans women. it hurts closeted and stealth trans women. fuck that shit man. how do you claim to be a trans woman and throw so many other trans women under the buss? what's the goddamn point?

i will not rest until people realize that man hating hurts the ever loving fuck out of so many people, but especially transfems and trans women. like idk how to break it to people but a lot of transfems and trans women identified as cis men at one point in their lives. so what, they were just evil until they came out? they magically stopped being "predators" the second they figured out they were trans? never transition trans women are just doomed to be viewed as men for the rest of their lives? come the fuck on. i know a lot of trans woman assert theyve been women their whole lives and that's totally fine, but a lot to acknowledge that they used to identify as cis men. we gotta fucking stop this shit

this affects trans women who are unsure and questioning. like i cannot stress enough that this behavior is gonna fuck with a lot of people who think they might be trans women, but aren't sure, and are identifying as cis men for the time being. this is going to scare them away from questioning if they're transfem or a trans woman or not because of how much they're hated in that present moment before they've realized or come out. this hurts multigender, genderqueer, non binary and genderfluid trans women who identify as cis men as well as trans women. this hurts trans women who still identify as gay men. this hurts literally every and all trans woman everywhere.

rad feminism ain't feminism- it's misogyny with a pink coat of paint slathered over it.

[not-poignant]

Hi Pia, I was talking to a friend the other day and we were debating whether it was ok or not to enjoy media made by people with different political views than your own.

She said it wasn't but I said it depends on the person but also because I think we shouldn't self-censor ourselves or judge the quality of the media by the opinions of the person/s making it. As someone who's studied media what are your takes on this? Thanks in advance ( ^_^)

Anon, this subject is way too broad for me to answer in a single post response.

It also highly depends on what the media is, and what the politics are. There's a difference between consuming something (and giving money to someone) who's just a mild asshole, and someone who is a literal rapist and has never experienced consequences for it, or someone who is literally giving money to movements that will indirectly cause the deaths of trans teenagers and is still actively doing that / not dead yet.

If you're the kind of person to give money to someone who will contribute - and has contributed - to the deaths of trans teenagers, well it's a free world and you can do that, but maybe don't expect to keep a lot of your trans friends and trans ally friends, and you yourself would not be a trans ally. You're not self-censoring, and the world isn't stopping you from doing that, but you might be someone who needs to feel more empathy for the people around you, or work on understanding why giving money to folks with monstrous politics leads to more monstrous politics.

If you don't want to live in that kind of world, you have choices you can make. But they're your choices.

It's not 'censoring' myself to choose not to participate in the works of something by someone who is doing things that could lead to a less safe world for me and fellow trans people as an example. I'm making a choice because I care about other people and because I genuinely would not enjoy the works of a person who created stuff who has said online: 'If you participate in my created works I'm going to assume you support my views (and so will everyone else).'

Making personal choices like this is not censoring, anon. (And I'm pro-censorship, lol, so even if it was, I'd still be like 'yeah contextually sometimes you have to' - censoring =/= banning). Technically censorship is something that can only be done by controlling bodies and government authorities anyway.

But we have to make choices all the time. If your friend is raped by another friend of yours, but that second friend buys you dinner all the time, do you keep seeing that second friend because like, hey free dinner! If your answer to this question is 'of course I would' - then like, well, I don't know what to say to that. We probably can't have a meaningful conversation about compassion or humanity.

Different levels of politics have different ramifications to different areas of society and different people. I'm trans, so I'm not going to support transphobic creators. It's really that simple for me. I don't want my fellow trans people to keep getting hurt by anti-trans rhetoric, and I'm pretty tired of it myself, so I avoid it, and I avoid the people who support folks who literally enable it to keep happening. It's an active issue with active and current repercussions. We're not talking in this instance about the politics of a dead author who can't hurt anyone anymore, or someone in prison, or someone who is so old they have disappeared offline into the ether.

If, on the other hand, I find out someone's a Republican but in all other ways they're mostly just living their life and not trying to actively harm people by funneling all of their personal money into things that will like...cause suicides due to promoting say, transphobia, then yeah, I might still engage with their stuff or support their stuff.

Likewise, if I watch or give money to a movie made by Weinstein, I will often think of all the other crew members and actors who had nothing to do with that behaviour who still deserve residuals or royalties.

Some cases are complicated, but some aren't. Some really are 'this person has said they will give their money to causes and governments that want to hurt us and eradicate us' and supporting that is the action of a transphobic person, even if that person doesn't feel transphobic. If the actions cause more hate towards trans people, it's a transphobic action, and it's kind of that simple.' And trust me, you can be trans and still be transphobic. We see internalised phobias all the time, everywhere.

Yes, I'm talking about JKR here, because I find this kind of question is usually about some obviously monstrous living person who is still doing monstrous things in a very ongoing way, vs. just a regular 'hey I found out this writer is pro-fracking and I hate fracking what do I do' or 'hey this author writes a ship I don't like should I hate them.'

(Look this might not be about JKR but it's certainly the first thing that's going to come to most trans people's minds and I'm trans, anon).

[eva-does-its-best]

I think it's so awesome coded. That you're being like "the tmes", grouping up so many different kinds of people including many that you choose to ignore into a category you can oppose without guilt.

Did you get bored of actually fighting everyone's very real opressors, the transphobes and fascists and terfs that want us gone? Is it more entertaining to you now to have this personal fight now, a small scale fight that you feel you can actually win?

I sure as hell don't need any convincing or academic arguments that some niche theories that do not even match the practical reality of opression in our very real world are not something to make enemies for or waste time on petty discourse online that will ammount to nothing at best and invalidating others at worse.

I'm not gonna be available to be convinced of disrespecting or belittleling any group of opressed people when all of our rights to exist are in equal literal danger.

Maybe you live in the digital future where everything is ok except this, but in the actual present we don't need theory, we need people willing to do something about the very real problems all trans people face.

Am I being too rough? Too angry? Well swallow your irritation and reflect on yourself, because you've spit on the hard work me and many of my colleagues do every day in person and online for trans people, securing rights, resources, preventing suicides, seeing all the abuse and violence every trans person faces in person and having to swallow the hard pill of how powerless we are to help a lot of times.

We work for you too, you know? We protect you too as much as we can, you know? Despite all that you feel of us we are there when you need it, because fuck all that theory!!! we're all vulnerable hurt people in need of help! So how about you drop the self-satisfactory flag of your "tma/tme" discourse and fight against the real opression out there?

You're not my enemy, and I don't plan to be yours, but maybe you are the one who is not open to listen, I hope it's not the case.

I think it's so awesome coded that every trans woman who doesn't want to roll over for the tmes has to have a deep academic understanding of her oppression that she can succinctly explain to people in one paragraph or less (lest they refuse to read it) with small words (lest she be called pretentious and overly academic).

Of course, they aren't available to be convinced, but we're still expected to try anyway.

[genderglass]

JFC. @abearinthewoods has apparently reported a trans woman to the FBI for the crime of a really ugly joke that was incredibly hurtful to transmascs, yes, but in no way shape or form a legitimate threat of terrorism. Additionally, he appears to be an actual MRA, as in the sort who think feminism is responsible for men’s ills, not someone who understands the ways in which the patriarchy hurts men and seeks to stop it that way. This is extremely over the line behavior; I am going to block him after making this post, and I want to make it clear that he is not an ally- much less safe to be around- to any trans person.

[awakefor48hours]

I don't care if someone who isn't trans wants to transition. I don't care if someone who doesn't experience gender dysphoria wants to transition. I don't care if someone makes up a new gender and pronouns just to feel special.

I don't care

I don't care

I don't care

I DON'T CARE

[octopus-defence-squad]

Rue is LITERALLY a trans allegory! they have a whole arc about realizing people are viewing them as the wrong person, creating a new identity, being hurt by that confusion, being lied to and told they need to act a certain way for people to like them....

THEYRE A CLONE OF A GUY WHO USES ALL PRONOUNS. THEY USE SHE/THEY PRONOUNS! THEY WERE TRAGICALLY KILLED BY THEIR ORIGINAL'S WIFE (possessed) AND DESERVE A WIN!!

i will post art!

Rue:

Submitted for: Skyblock Kingdoms

Headcanons: Identity not specified, pronouns not specified

Propaganda: “Her whole character arc is a metaphor for being trans! She realized she wasn't who she was told she was and then chose her own name and made friends who saw her as HER! They're so special and wonderful and transgender!!”

BigBSt4tz2:

Submitted for: Evo SMP, Third Life, Last Life, Double Life, Limited Life, Secret Life, Wild Life

Headcanons: Trans man, he/they

Propaganda: None submitted

[blitz0hno]

If we are counter protesting for Trans Rights in front of like a legislative building or something can we all chant "WE HAVE MORE IN COMMON WITH YOU THAN THE PEOPLE IN THAT BUILDING DO"??? I will be screaming it at the oppressors in my community only bcuz c'mon you can't tell me half the people consuming Fox News every night aren't crying because their food stamps are about to run out same as us

And even if they aren't when some idiot films the protest all the on the fence liberals might think a little bit at least

[weirdstrangeandawful]

I'm going to use anatomical terminology here. If you don't like that or if you find that dysphoria-inducing, skip over this post -- I won't be offended.

Okay look. This isn't my community but it makes me so so mad anyway. I keep seeing responses to anything that mentions prosthetic penises or packers or even dildos that say some variation of 'what is the point of this' as a way of shaming the trans community.

The point is to allow anyone without a penis or without a fully functional penis (or literally anyone who wants to) to participate in sexual acts that they couldn't otherwise participate in. There is nothing wrong or sacrilegious about that. This has been happening since forever. It's accessibility. It's inclusivity. Yes, it disproportionately helps the trans community but it also helps the disabled community. It helps the lesbian community. It helps the gay community. It helps veterans. It helps the straight community. It helps peple with low or no fertility. It helps people with pelvic floor dysfunction. It helps people who've been through sexual trauma. It helps virgins who need to insert menstrual products. It helps literally everyone because you are highly unlikely to never encounter someone who fits into at least one of the above categories.

It's a safe piece of equipment, can we stop being weird and transphobic about it please???

[transmaverique]

gonna be honest I see anyone talking about this "my gender is more complicated than yours" shit as someone who genuinely cannot comprehend that other people that don't share certain traits with them can still in fact have rich interior lives. as an agender trans woman who uses she/her I've never had anyone say it to me who wasn't (usually unknowingly) transmisogynistic

see but im not talking about "rich interior lives" and the assumption that i am is exactly what im talking about. i am talking about the actual physical way that reality treats and percieves me in comparison to the way it treats and percieves you. saying my gender is "more complex" means to me that i am physically incapable of existing in a strictly binary world and that there is no thing i can pass as bc "binary man" and "binary woman" are both incorrect for me. and the Cisiety in question does not allow androgyny to exist - it is exclusively the timeframe people have to decide whether they think you are a cisman or a ciswoman, or a failure and a freak. i dont subscribe to that "binary privilege" shit, thats not how privilege works. but there are differences in the ways both you and i can navigate this strictly binary Cisiety!!! and those differences deserve to be named, imo

like. again. i dont have to comfort you about your own internal sense of gender before youll listen to me about my experiences in the real world as genderqueer. as a different sort of transsexual than you.

(and bc i Know what binary ppl love to say: i know not everyone is 'capable of passing'. what i am talking about specifically is the difference between being unable to pass as a cis woman or a cis man vs being unable to pass bc what i am does not exist AT ALL in a binary society, and both of those things are incorrect ans unattainable.)

(anyways if that language is too imperfect for you thats like fine but. its just confusing to me, i dont get why its hard to understand what we are talking about here. our experiences w our nonbinary genders are completely different! why do i have to discuss them like theyre the same?)

[andyinmiddleearth]

nobody is saying don't use inclusive language. 'breasts' is inclusive. it's not a gendered word, it's a body part.

*le sigh* I never said it’s gendered, because it isn’t. However, it can trigger dysphoria for some people, myself included. The reason for that is, a lot of the time when people use the word breasts they use it to talk about women, and when using chest it’s more gender neutral coded because men (and nonbinary and other gender expansive people) aren’t expected to have breasts because of cissexism. That doesn’t make it gendered, but it does associate them with the gender binary to an extent.

It costs 0 cents to not be an asshole and use the terminology that doesn’t induce dysphoria. If a trans/nonbinary person is fine with calling their chest breasts, that’s totally valid and completely their choice and should be respected, you do you. But that isn’t the case for everyone. You never know whether a trans person is dysphoric or not, or how bad their dysphoria is if they have it. In some cases, it could lead to people having a breakdown or worse. Anon, you’re sounding a whole lot like cis women that whine about being called “people with uteri” and ngl this reeks of TERF.

[genderqueerdykes]

Book anon brought up is literally called Trans/Rad/Fem and it claims to be essays on "transfeminism" but the entire basis is how r@dical feminism helped build feminsim, including transfeminism - thus transfeminism couldn't exist without radf3minism, and tries to argue the two types of feminism are actually very similar and should support each other. Just a snippet of the summary: "This series of essays aims to reconstruct and reintroduce the r@dical feminist framework that its misbegotten inheritors seem determined to forget and in doing so boldly makes the claim that transfeminism, far from being antagonistic to r@dical feminism, is in fact its direct descendant. It shows how a comprehensive social theory of transsexual oppression flows almost naturally from r@dical feminist precepts and dares to declare that a materialist, r@dical transfeminism is the way forward to seize the foundations of patriarchy at the root." The author has a bunch of free writing on her site, and it's interesting because she seriously uses the term transemasculation and argues that trans men do face specific oppression for being trans men, but then she's got this incredibly bizarre essay on how trans men aren't allowed to relate to Stone Butch Blues even though she personally knows a lot who do. Her stuff also really only pays lipservice to but is notably absent of anyone outside the binary, which is interesting because she also considers herself 'third sexed'. And she parrots these ideas about "degendering" and "regendering" throughout all her essays that just don't seem to /quite/ line up with the broader social definitions of these terms. I don't know, it's like someone who infiltrates 'the enemy' to try and take them down from the inside and doesn't realize they're slowly being converted. Also, she's actually on tumblr (head's up). Here's her own explanation of her book: https://taliabhattwrites.tumblr.com/post/769862585675825152/im-sorry-if-youve-answered-this-or-if-it-should And for some comparison here's genderkoolaid's reaction to the book summary (with full summary included): https://genderkoolaid.tumblr.com/post/771666069645623296/question-have-you-heard-about-the-book

"but then she's got this incredibly bizarre essay on how trans men aren't allowed to relate to Stone Butch Blues,"

does. does she know that Leslie Feinberg was literally a polygender lesbian who identified partially as a trans man. does she know that Leslie lived as a trans man for many years before accepting being multigender. does she know. anything about what she's talking about. like yes, Jess in the book was written to challenge the idea of what a woman "should be". and rightfully so. that part of Leslie's identity needed to be discussed. Leslie's other genders do not overwrite the fact that ze was a transsexual woman. i want that to be clear!

but it doesn't change the fact that transmasculine people are still gonna relate to this experience whether or not they identify as women. also what about transmasculine women...? that right there is enough to tell me this person has no idea what the fuck they're talking about. Stone Butch Blues was quite literally written by someone who was partially a trans man. like you cannot erase the fact that Leslie literally called hirself "polygendered". that was the term ze used for hirself. Leslie was a trans man as well as a transsexual woman. get fucked, talia. you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. even if the character of Jess wasn't a trans man, it doesn't erase the fact that Leslie was. Jess is just a character based off of Leslie.

wow that's actual bullshit. thank you so much for letting me know about this, i had no clue. i don't read books unless i'm looking into a specific topic so i'll be sure to steer clear of that. this shit is sad. rad feminism has never and will never help anyone. rad feminism is about hating women. it's about seeing women as weaker and inferior to men. it's about thinking that women can never hurt anyone else because they can't hold power in society ever. rad feminism is about painting women as pathetic dainty little creatures who could never hurt a fly, that women are so stupid that they can't think for themselves and are always being taken advantage of no matter what, and it's also about how women can only look and act certain ways or else they're not women.

trans rad feminism hurts trans women. if you're a transradfem:

radfems fucking hate you and want you to die. snap out of it. this will not make them like you. this will not make them see you as a woman. they are happy you are spreading their propaganda, but they want you dead and see you as predatory men invading women's spaces. wake. the fuck. up. all you're doing is participating in trans/misogyny and the faster you realize it, the better off you'll be.

[robboybot]

Lmfao anytime five fuckers at uncle festers comes up on Twitter and people talk rightfully about how the creator is a POS and how people need to give those games the same vigorous hatred treatment HP gets the fans show how weak willed they are. They literally run to defend and bend backwards to the point their heads are inside their anus for their favorite conservative political donator and bigot Christian mascot horror “scrunkly”.

It could not be more obvious how so many people are so addicted to their conservative supporting media they simply refuse to ever let something go lmfao

I guess I shouldn’t be surprised though because if people actually gave a shit and weren’t apathetic selfish machines for consumption, things like S.park wouldn’t have a fucking “fan base” christ almighty

[foxgirlmoth]

I made it look like my gf told someone to seethe and cope over slur discourse how's everypony else doing tonight

I guess I wrote most of my thoughts in the notes oops

[thetimelordbatgirl]

Welp, if JK Rowling being executive producer and therefore being fully involved in the show wasn't enough for people to boycott, then here's HBO basically saying they don't care JK Rowling is a bigot from hell who literally helped lead a harassment campaign of lies against Imane Khalif in her transphobia and obsession with women being terf's standards of women alongside posting harassment against trans people on twitter at times, they gonna stand by her, while using the excuse, "personal views". Hmm, yes, personal views- that's one way to uh, call what the fuck JK Rowling comes out with a-lot- last I checked personal views do come with consquiences if said out loud....a thousand times in JK's case and still counting....especially if they hurt people, but hey, if it means making another Harry Potter project to milk, just let it fucking be I guess.