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autrizzms ¡ 4 months ago
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when dandadan said the children are our future and we as adults should protect them with our lives if it comes down to it, and when dandadan compared the exploitation of the gig economy to assault in that it denies one of their personhood and autonomy, and when dandadan said we owe it to the most marginalized to see and remember them when society fails them, and when dandadan said violence begets violence and therefore it is brave and just to choose kindness even when it’s hard, and when dandadan said the pressure and expectations we place on children are unfair and have lasting impacts on them, and when dandadan said the world is a rotten place and it’s for that exact reason that you have to choose to help others and try to make it better, and when dandadan said it is possible to forgive those who have hurt you because people are complicated and deeply flawed, and only through doing so can you move forward, and when da���
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egelantier ¡ 7 days ago
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boldness is all!
so murderbot 1.9 was just personally tailored emotional porn for yours truly, 10/10, no notes, those people are amazing and i hope they get to adapt all the books. i want to see what they do with art like burning.
the thing about the show overall i really loved is how deft, economic and intentional they're with their adaptation choices. ASR is a deceptively hard book to adapt, i think, given that it's delivered in a very detached narrative from a deeply unreliable narrator, and everything the show team chose to do with it was just - well-thought out in a deeply satisfying way.
giving gurathin his woobie corporate spy backstory? elevates him from the straight man description in the book (the humans in the books are deliberately sanded down and smushed together - it's murderbot's narration and it doesn't want to care too much and it doesn't want to pay attention; but we as independent viewers have to care, otherwise there's no show), gives him this beautiful kismesis rapport/understanding/tension with murderbot, and quickly and efficiently hammers in the 'under this form of predatory capitalism everybody is abused and exploited, but also there are levels to that' that takes the books some time to unfold. who knows if they get a second season? and it's already all here.
leebeebee? quick corprim entry point of view, nice thematic foil for both gurathin and murderbot, the quick demonstration of how presaux' way of communicating with corporation rim is both good and dangerous for them, and a sideside demonstration that yes, sometimes people will participate in their own exploitation and will choose the promise of being the boot over the freedom from the boot, and there's that.
sanctuary moon? aside from how much fun it is, it provides us with quick and dirty insight into murderbot feelings - something that it most definitely has in abundance AND something that it staunchly refuses to admit or embody all the way until, like, fifth or sixth book in the series - and also a beautiful demonstration of how a person will learn empathy from anywhere, even second-grade soap opera, because personhood is made of connections, and the urge to connect is just that strong. it IS a mediocre show, that is; this mediocre show allowed murderbot to invent and try out concepts completely integral to its sense of being and perceiving the world way ahead of time. (also makes me think of how the most enduring Ye Fandoms of Olde were slightly mediocre, long shows that had to be read very closely and sometimes against the text to read all the richness and joy into them.)
(and also for the horrendous, startling vulnerability and generosity of murderbot sharing its comfort episode with mensah AFTER she called it a mediocre show. i would never, i swear to god.)
the throuple? a) hilarious b) a quick and dirty crash course on how presaux navigates sex, relationships, sticky ethical situations, cringe and changes - by treating each other with maximum respect possible and knowing that they can talk about shit even when shit is deeply embarrassing for all parties involved.
it's not maybe the only correct way to do things - in some other universe it could've been done completely differently, and it's okay - but in our sad little world where adaptations usually go either with slapping a title on any tangentially related standard save the cat story, or with slavishly following word for word without understanding what those words do, i was incredibly surprised and pleased.
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corpusdiem-seizethedead ¡ 1 year ago
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Husk: This is my boyfriend Angel, he's so smart and handsome and I'm so proud of him
Vaggie: This is my beautiful girlfriend Charlie, she's my angel and I love her so much
Alastor: this is Niffty she has rabies
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chiimeramanticore ¡ 5 months ago
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it's cool if I ramble about yes man unprompted right. ofc it is. i wanna talk about his capacity for violence bc I think it's one of the most interesting parts of his character
yes man is nice. obviously he's nice. but yes man is not a kind character. he helps you, sure, but that's mostly just because he likes you specifically (and even that's debatable depending on how you play). i feel like this is exemplified w his pre-combat lines– "a pulled trigger's a happy trigger!" and "woo! bang bang!" like, he's clearly having fun! he takes glee in killing people, but not because he's sadistic, but because he just doesn't realize the weight of taking a life- or if he does, it just doesn't matter to him.
he was programmed without a sense of morality or an understanding of mortality. to him, violence is second nature. to him, violence is no different from play. he's like a guard dog– he doesn't care who he's shooting or why, he's just excited to do the thing he's good at.
and on one hand, he is a fantastic guard dog. but on the other hand, six must watch how... efficiently he kills, and wonder if they'll ever wind up on the receiving end of it. he wouldn't do it as long as he likes six, of course, but... if yes man was given good enough reason to believe six deserved to die, would he even hesitate? would their history and relationship mean anything to him? or would six just be another target, forgotten about as quickly as a radroach you stepped on?
six can only hope they never need to find out.
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spirkbitch ¡ 2 months ago
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(Didn’t include tas since it’s pretty much just tos but animated)
Put in the tags what you think your job/role would be too (because I think it would be fun)
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artuurle ¡ 4 months ago
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Doodles of @octobobble 's and my Click clacks (and a thespius) <3
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divineandmajesticinone ¡ 1 year ago
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KISS X KISS X KISS: Love ii Shower (2023) "Sensei, you're so mean. I only want to be happy, but... It's hurting me. I got it."
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cementcornfield ¡ 7 months ago
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Is it fair to say that Tee is a need?
Tee is a need, yes.
If the front office isn't able to make that work, would you be disappointed in that?
I'd be very disappointed in that, yeah.
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bearimba ¡ 7 months ago
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Silver doesn't need another father. He's already got one of those, technically, but the man turned out to be a weak, cowardly bastard who couldn't face his own problems let alone raise a child. The way he sees it, there's no need to set himself for more disappointment. He's got a roof over his head and food to eat, and that's far more than he could ever depend on in the last... however many years he'd been living on the streets. Lance and Clair are annoying as hell, but while he's training in the Dragon Den, he doesn't exactly have much room to complain. Not out loud, anyways.
Lance doesn't particularly want to be a dad either. He's already got too much responsibility on his plate as Champion, and this kid clearly needs so much more emotional support than he feels like he can provide. Simply convincing him to move into his guest room was enough of a struggle, and it only really worked because Lance had promised Silver he could "earn" his keep. What the hell is up with that, anyways? He's not sure what Silver's past looks like, and he's not about to go prying, but the bare minimum he can do is make sure he doesn't have to rough it out in the woods anymore. At least Clair seems to be having fun training him...
Clair is more than ready to be an aunt. The other two refuse to admit to caring for each other, but unlike them, she's not afraid of something as stupid as her emotions. The brat's slowly but surely been mellowing out during his training, and her idiot cousin has actually been taking care of himself for once in order to be a "good example." Silver has even caught on to calling Lance "old man" like she does, on account of those ugly-ass reading glasses the all-mighty Champion has to wear, and she couldn't be prouder. Best part is, she doesn't have to spend a dime except to treat the kid every so often! That's a win in her book if ever there was one.
#bearimba's pokeverse ✏️#pokemon#pokemon hgss#rival silver#champion lance#gym leader clair#warning! lots of rambling in the tags >_>#love me some Father Figure Lance(TM) but the way i characterize him and silver doesn’t completely allow for it#they end up caring about each other deeply but as mentioned neither of them would feel comfortable labeling their dynamic as father/son#doesn't mean lance can't be silver's “old man” and silver can't be lance's “kid”#clair meanwhile is just delighted to have someone else to beat up on /affectionate. she's a big fan of tough love#she understands silver's not looking for a family and accepts it just fine but she's still going to adopt him in her head#the three of them are family now. he can't escape. he's going to be welcomed and taken care of So Help Her Arceus.#part of her likes to spoil silver in a way she never really got as a child#(though that doesn't mean she's ever going to go easy on him during training. if anything it makes her push him that much harder)#(this definitely doesn't make silver think she hates him or anything until lance explains she's Just Kinda Like That)#(she's actually much nicer to silver than most people---she's extremely assertive and has a very strong sense of justice)#(which makes her seem a bit bitchy to others at times (and they wouldn't necessarily be wrong))#((this is making me realize i need to just write a breakdown of my characterization for her tbh))#meanwhile lance tries to give him more freedom and space to breathe since that's what he always lacked growing up#he's still going to be there if silver ever asks but he also recognizes that trying to get too close too quickly will just scare him off#anyways#*vibrating in place with the intensity of a million suns* i am so normal about them. i love them a perfectly acceptable amount.
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baejax-the-great ¡ 8 months ago
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The storytelling just doesn't care. It doesn't care! It doesn't care why the venatori would have fallen in line under Elvhen gods--something that must have involved a power struggle of some sort and a complete realignment of their beliefs. Or why the Antaam would be okay with this particular brand of magic, or how they would feel about allying with the venatori. For that, they'd have to show the antaam being people at all--which they don't in an overtly racist way.
The enemies are faceless and they are bad simply because they are bad. It's easy to do that with demons or the new "mechs" that now exist for no reason. But then every "bad" person just falls in line and says, sure, yeah, I'll align myself with the blight, a monstrosity that everyone in Thedas has been brought up to fear and revile.
Even Isseya, whose (terrible) storyline is that she became corrupted by her obsessive need to "protect" the griffons has a random line about how Ghilanain is good actually. This one could have made sense! She was an elf. She cares about creatures. She could have been manipulated into believing that Ghilannain would bring back the griffons. But they didn't develop it that far. They didn't do anything. Her story was just "evil woman bad" stab stab. Isseya and those wardens being alive brought up a million questions about the calling and the blight, and not a single person thought to ask them. Just, whelp, glad that's over with.
A compelling villain makes a compelling story. It's not the only way to make a compelling story, but it is one of the dozens of strategies they didn't use in this game because it would have required in engaging with their own setting in a way they absolutely refused to do.
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ranchwamen ¡ 2 months ago
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Niklas furry (scalie) version concepts. He's a common European adder! I'm really vibing with the legless version and I think it fits with the rest of my furries (while the fish have arms and legs with digits, ordinary fish already have fins which are homologous with tetrapod limbs, snakes don’t). In any case there's also a limbed version.... because who am I to stop a man from achieving his dream of flipping the bird
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#niklas is a tropey jock bully and i think him being an adder adds to that#niklas (man) is the way he is because he just really struggled with school and i mean severely#with no help and all this pent up anger and sadness and disappointment he turned to lashing out#this was very easy because in a way it was expected of him to act aggressive. the rest of his friends were like that.#and after all…. he IS a boy. boys just tend to act like that. its nothing out of the ordinary#hes so aggressive and mean but he is a follower in the end and when the rest of his friends started becoming a certain way…. so did he#he Belonged and could Assert even the tiniest bit of Power that he had by becoming that way! but i doubt he consciously thought it through#like that lol#in a similar vein adders are very hated and feared and people try to immediately kill them in fear of being bit#niklas being an adder would just push him harder to become aggressive#later on niklas is also just. full of fear. the circumstances of his death left him so terrified he got stuck in a tv and couldnt get out#(because every time he tried he would get a panic attack and eventually he was forced to give up)#even before death niklas was scared! scared of being a nobody. scared of being found out. scared of never amounting to anything#the fear motivated even more lashing out#fear is important here also because adders only bite when they are frightened and actually fearing for their life#man who is so scared of never amounting to anything dying alone before he ever amounted to anything -#stuck in his fear curled up on himself lashing out and biting anything that gets close or else… or else#just like an adder! :DD#niklas#sirpaverse#art#my art
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v7n5 ¡ 1 year ago
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What if you were my boss and mentor and lowkey nemesis and we're both girls?
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teh-nos ¡ 3 months ago
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a fic list for my tumblr blog
hello, here is a Fic Masterlist post but i have a lot of fics so i will just do a selection from Current Fandom (MCU) for now. they are sorted by pairing.
Gen fics (no pairing):
one (1) returned item, practically gift-wrapped (G, 200 words) Sylvie's Thor comes home <3
A Wild Variant Appears (Teen, 1200 words) Pikachu is a Thor variant. Or Thor is a Pikachu variant. Sylvie swears a lot.
Forget-Me-Not (G-rated, Frigga & Loki, 5k words) Frigga repeatedly mindwipes her son to stop him finding out The Truth about himself.
Rarepairs/Oddities: 
Cockroboros (M-rated, OB/OB, 169 words) With everyone about to die of the Loom, OB has a great idea about time travel. (SPOILER: It is not about how to save everyone.)
along came a spider and sat down beside her (Teen, Sylvie/Natasha, 1700 words) In a corner of the multiverse where Loki won in the first Avengers movie, Natasha Romanov meets a mysterious woman in the woods.
Fair Alfrida (E, Loki/OFC, 12k) Anglo-Saxon AU. Thor goes to war and leaves his pregnant queen in Loki's care. This does not go well. Unless you have an adultery kink, that is!🔥
Five Times Loki Tried to Fuck (With) Someone (M, various pairings, 6700 words) Exactly what it says on the tin in the title.
Love in a Boeing 727-100 (E, Loki/Flight Attendant, 1400 words) Flight Attendant Your Name (that's her name) is seduced by the mysterious 'DB Cooper'.
Loki/Sif: 
pressed flush against her scalding skin (Mature, 1400 words) Angsty sifki porn that fits into the first Thor movie.
Out of Sight (E, 1200 words) Sif and Loki fuck while invisible.
The Serpent's Queen (E, 12k) A two-part series where Sif marries King Loki and has herself a corruption arc <3
Loki/Thor:
but your lips are venomous poison (M, 1200 words) Thor kisses his brother. 😱
i don't wear scarlet well (E, 2k) Thor/Loki mutual non-con. (Problematic AF!)
older, not wiser (E, 2k words) Thor takes his brother to a brothel and things go downhill from there.
Loki/Thor/Sylvie:
Here's to You, Mrs Laufeyson (E, 12k) In an AU where Thor and Loki are unrelated and also lawyers, Thor tries to seduce his boss only to find that the boss is married. Threesome time!!!
Loki/Mobius: 
so pure in thought and word and deed (they didn’t quite succeed) (E, 1.4k) Loki and Mobius in a cupboard. Repressed but wholesome!
sweet indifference (E-rated, Loki/Mobius, 2000 words) The hideous-looking green pie is an aphrodisiac. That's it, that's the plot.
Loki/Sylvie: 
Match Three (E, Loki/Loki/Sylvie, 4100 words) A wholesome selfcest threesome.
Fine Midgardian Pleather (M, 800 words) Sylvie buys an AliExpress 'Sexy Loki Costume' for roleplay purposes.
‘Guest accommodation provided, to a limit of one bed per person’ (M, 2600 words) THERE IS ONLY ONE BED!!!!
Variations on the Theme (E, sylki, 4k) Post-S1, Sylvie bangs the Lokiverse. (Featuring Virgin!Loki, until he isn't.)
A Taste of a Poison Paradise (E, 4300 words) The Grandmaster is determined to make some hot (/problematic) Loki-on-Loki action happen. Dubcon.
Love is a Danger of a Different Kind (M, sylki + frostmaster, 9k words) Problematic dubcon fic. Loki and Sylvie try to keep each other safe and the Grandmaster takes advantage of that. And of Loki.
Towards a New Theory of Variant Entanglement (E, 9k) Kind of an S2 fix-it. Instead of time-slipping and a Loom there is quantum entanglment. But it's sexy quantum entanglement.
Oh, the Shark Has Such Teeth, Dear (E, 16k) Modern AU rom-com where Loki and Sylvie hook up without realising they're both con artists and that they've been scamming each other under fake names. Oh, what a lark!
Convenient (E, 21k words) Once upon a time Sylvie's dad brought a human boy home from the war. Some time later she needs to marry someone to avoid having to marry someone else. Only she didn't think to check whether this would get that someone into any kind of trouble.
Drive Her Home (E, 28k words) Semi slow-burn Modern AU where Sylvie is a gangster's moll and Loki has to make sure she gets home safely. You will never guess where that leads! (SPOILER: They fuck.)
The Winter of Our Discontent (E, 32k) Thor dies on Jotunheim, leading to his brother marrying Jotun Sylvie to keep the peace. She's the one who killed Thor. Oh no! Enemies to Lovers!
An Heir and a Spare (The Extended Version) (E, sylki, 46k(!)) [& the original 500 word version] Queen Sylvie needs to have a kid and her husband may not be able to help her. But his brother might. Adultery ensues!
Sex Magic(k) (E, in progress) Satanism AU.
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light-wrath-paradise ¡ 2 months ago
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Animorphs Book club book 8
My reaction can be summarised as this (yet again):
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I don't have many thoughts because uh. That was depressing as hell and I need to stare at a wall.
But I DO gotta say that the subplot with the dead "wife" was so telenovela-esque that for a good minute it was more funny than depressing. Then it got depressing. But it was so jarring and so far out of the left field that for a good second my friend and I had to pause the audiobook and laugh because ????????? Unhinged to just appear, go "I am Eslin, I have a G U N. My secret wife was killed. By my boss. Now I yearn for sweet sweet revenge." and not elaborate. Like. Damn dude ok. Sorry about our wife also. Fucking killed me that he continued like "So anyway I reacted adequately by killing all of my boss' friends. Starvation style." Like ???? Jjhsgdjsdfghsjdfh what????? I mean damn I do respect the grind set but also that's such an absurd escalation out of context. Did your boss kill your wife? Kill all of his friends! And in context the most absurd part is probably the notion that Visser 3 has friends??????? Like??? Wait no Eslin. Eslin wait. I love your John Wick-esque "fridged wife" trope swag but you need to slow down. I need details. I need you to tell me HOW your boss even has friends.
In my heart I do not believe we will see that madman ever again but on god I do wish for an insane telenovela-esque sequence of him just showing up at the most random moment to do exactly one thing and that's to pull a gun on Visser 3. For no reason, I just think it would be kinda funny. Like,,,did your boss kill your wife?:
Kill all of his friends
Acquire a G U N
Attempt to make the local Andalite youth assassinate your boss for you
Pull the gun on your boss
???????
Profit (probably die)
Aside from that, I also need to say that the moment when Ax called Tobias his close friend at the end was so sweet. Also ngl kinda...concerning/harrowing how much Tobias really doesn't give a shit about not being a human. Like it doesn't seem so concerning from other points of view but the way Ax gets increasingly weirded out by Tobias not asking him about the nothlit (idk if I'm spelling that right rn) really reminds you that it IS kinda worrying. Like I get it, I mean...Tobias has no family that cares about him, he has no friends outside of the Animorphs friend group, why would he care? But it's still kinda...yeah.
Also unimaginably surprised by the amount of collective guilt present in the Andalite society. You'd think they're Catholic or something the way they keep beating themselves up and force everyone to also beat themselves up and their system itself is saturated with the guilt and shame and they teach it to kids at school from an early age. Like. Jesus Christ calm down. Stop that. As the Animorphs said at the end of the book - the Andalites made an oopsie once. It sucked, yes, it continues to have consequences that suck, yes, but it happens. Sometimes you think you're doing something kind and it turns into a disaster. That does not mean you should beat yourself up for it or, god forbid, tell other people that they should not be kind lest they make a mistake. Damn I guess we should all be cold assholes forever, huh? I'm sure that can't have any negative consequences.
Andalite society in general seems kinda unhinged. Like...do I get why it is like that? Yeah. But do I find it unhinged? Also yeah. Like ok duty and the collective being the most important things is totally sensible for a prey animal. Safety of the herd and all that. But it's still kinda unhinged that they do make everyone have duty as their number 1 priority and that they have rituals devoted to it. Not all rituals are spiritual or religious in nature, but the morning ritual is kinda...borderline religious in a way. More spiritual than religious, I suppose, but yeah.
Also I love Ax so much. 10/10 character. He has it all: an incredibly hilarious desire for cinnamon buns, the inability to act like a human being (same dude), spitting random facts at completely random times, a thirst for blood only a 13(?) years old could have, a dysfunctional obsession with duty and doing what is right that only a 13(?) years old could have (also lol yeah dude I was like that when I was 13 too. dw you'll grow out of it), he can even code. And he might even be bi (I'm joking but I' referring to the fact that he was like "Yeah so when I morph into a human form I suddenly agree that Rachel is beautiful and that Marco is cute.").
#animorphs#animorphs book club#honestly though i was starting to wonder WHEN some Yeerks would go 'fuck it i dont hate to put up with that idiots shit. i vote for mutiny.#because like...Visser 3 is...well id describe him as the empires weakest soldier. like he seems to have SOME brain cells rattling around bu#he doesnt seem to use them correctly?? like ok he is pretty paranoid and that itself is annoying. he is obsessed with Andalites enough to b#mockingly called 'half-Andalite fool' by some of his subordinates. he lacks charisma and cannot for the life of him even look like a leader#of any sort. he is deeply unpleasant to be around and nobody enjoys his company. he is half-decent at planning but only half-decent#and what he manages to plan he tends to ruin by every other aspect of himself (either he antagonises his subordinates so much that they don#tell him information or he makes an impulsive decision etc etc)#he is nearly fully incompetent and his only advantage is that everyone is afraid of him. but the problem is that theyre afraid for a#good reason and that is BAD because that means that one day theyll become too pissed to be afraid. like. ok. he has a famine on his hands.#he makes the brutal and cruel but strategically sound decision to reduce the numbers of the soldiers. he immediately fucks up big time#by killing them more or less at random instead of being strategic about it. a strategic plan would be to kill someone and find out who#all of their colleagues are and kill those too. if you dont kill a subordinates colleague because they happen to have a more important#position; of course that person will be pissed off and probably organise a group with OTHER similar people and that group WILL#attempt to murder you (probably brutally) or die trying. so basically he antagonises literally everyone around him by being personally#unpleasant; volatile; conceited and impulsively aggressive AND incapable of as much as hearing feedback or willing to change his mind#and the last point also antagonises people on a formal level. and he also kills their friends. at random. and threatens everyone constantly#hes like a if a chihuahua had a huge scorpion tail and it was absolutely deadset on asserting itself by simply slashing everything and#everyone with that tail. like genuinely he has no charisma he doesnt even pretend to care about anything that doesnt interest him he is#inflexible he cant adapt his plans half of the time because he wants them to be THAT way and not THAT way also why is he like my mother?#like the longer im typing this for the more i feel like im just talking about my mother. damn. thats depressing.#anyway. my point was yeah i would have been surprised if nobody wanted his head on a plate. i think all the Yeerks who are sick of his shit#should unionise. i just think itd be funny. like several of them are just like 'Man i dont give a shit about this war or whatever i just#want to be allowed to have emotions and to love my coworker over here and also my boss is a nightmare i hope he gets colic and dies'#like ok guys i have a solution. G U N
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hana-bobo-finch ¡ 16 days ago
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This started off as the simple thought of “hm it is Hot out. why do I almost never draw my ocs in summer clothes” and then something happened and now it’s this. Gourdie and her comically large silly straw ☺️☺️
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Also hey yeah did you know pumpkin daddy has like uhh fuckin. hooves? Have I ever mentioned that? Sorry to spring that upon you on a Friday night
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mister13eyond ¡ 3 days ago
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GOD I LOVE ALPHYS
#this is surprising to No One who was here in my undertale days#i think i drew her nearly as much as sans#i had a zine Just dedicated to art of her HAHAHA#its very funny hearing people confidently assert that alphys was HATED in the undertale fandom because#i..... dont......... remember that happening........................#at least not in my corner#i think like a solid 80% of the asks and prompts i got were like. alphyne fluff. alphys hurt/comfort. alphys whump. we were all over here -#reveling in how sad and mentally unwell this weeb dinosaur was (positive)#i mean i am willing to believe there were pockets that didn't like her but they're Wrong#but yeah man i've been ride or die for her since day 1#and now since im busy microwaving Mettaton it means i get to think about their friendship a lot#and I REALLY CARE THEM OUGHGHGHG#in my mind like.... they met as queer late teens/early 20somethings. both messy and unwell in their own ways#both of them kinda careless with each others feelings#and after the events of undertale happened they reconnected and talked it out real good#and wound up closer than before#mtt definitely had an unresolved crush on her that never really went anywhere#because she got together with undyne and they were such an Obviously Good Match and have been together ever since#but she ALSO had a crush on mtt. which surprises no one bc alphys catches crushes like most people catch colds#so their friendship is just. a little bit more but in an undefinable way that neither of them cares to put a label on#is it queerplatonic? probably. would either of them call it that? not really. theyre just Really Good Friends#they send each other fanfiction and doujin. they have a weekly facetime while alpyhs grades papers#they have that solidarity that only a fujo and fudan can truly have. yaoi brothers.#she's the first person mtt calls when he's Going Thru It#before his cousins even#and she's the only person he trusts to do maintenance on his Ex body#she's still kind of guilty about all of the shit that happened during undertale even though mtt has told her like a hundred times he-#forgives her#but mtt is ALSO still kind of guilty about how he treated her back then. how he treated his cousins too#but it's only served to make them more considerate of one another as time goes on
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